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What's bizarre with me McBoy and as usual

2:02

doing the heavy lifting his tightest. Oh Riley.

2:04

Hello Titus. How are you? I'm very well

2:06

me. Very well. Good to see you. What

2:09

are you up to? What's happening? What are

2:11

we doing? I'm completely in the

2:13

dark as usual one spot I don't think we've

2:15

done before is the wonderful sport of ice hockey

2:18

Which is amazing. We haven't done it

2:21

given how bonkers the hell what fertile

2:23

ground what a rich vein Yeah is

2:25

for bizarre sports stories. Did you see

2:27

the story last week? There's two

2:30

blokes fought for one minute Yeah,

2:32

one minute on the ice with no helmet

2:34

That was one of the guys in the

2:36

New York Rangers rookie It's like his second

2:39

game and he's been in two fights in

2:41

his first two games. I

2:43

say this best fights in sport Yeah,

2:45

baseball and ice hockey. Oh, yeah where

2:48

they clear the dugout. Yeah,

2:50

I thought that is a biggest pile Of

2:52

the worst one usually your NBA because they

2:55

do all that hold me back hold me back stuff

2:59

Although then you get malice in the palace when they went

3:01

into the stand It's

3:04

not always we we did a live show

3:06

recently Yeah, a lot of people came up

3:08

to me and said we're doing malice in

3:10

the palace Well our members and you know

3:12

to our beloved members and if anyone here's

3:15

not a member you can get it We

3:17

we did a vote last year on malice

3:19

in the palace or Keith Miller and I

3:21

think Keith Miller won by like one vote

3:23

Right. Well, there's a people Yeah,

3:26

so I have to do it. I have to do everything Now

3:32

Mickey what have we got Have you

3:34

seen the movie slap shot? I love slap

3:36

shot. I suck your movie from 1970 say

3:38

this and it's can be one for Our

3:41

members as well. Tell us your favorite sporting

3:43

field. Yeah, I put slap shot up there

3:45

Yeah, as one of the greats. Yeah, it's

3:48

amazing. It is. It's a ripper handsome brothers

3:50

I mean, yeah, they are as good as

3:52

it gets we'll get into a bit of

3:54

it because today We're going to be talking

3:56

about the real life slap shot that the

3:58

movie is based on one of my favorite

4:00

bits in the movie because it's a comedy

4:02

sports movie for people that haven't seen it

4:04

is the announcer announces

4:07

one of the players and says he's

4:09

a college graduate and an American citizen

4:11

which was very rare for ice hockey

4:13

players in the you know,

4:16

they're all Canadian or you know, so

4:18

this movie is a screenplay by a

4:20

woman named Nancy Dowd and

4:22

she based it on the fact that her brother Ned was

4:25

playing minor league hockey in the US.

4:27

Yeah. And he would ring

4:29

her and tell her the stories of

4:32

stuff that was happening on his team. And

4:35

she's just riding a motorcycle. And she's right.

4:37

And she's but she's going this is absolutely

4:39

bonkers because this is at the time that

4:41

this is the lower minor league. Yes, the

4:43

fighting and violent. Yeah, little of Broadway. Yeah,

4:45

little of Broadway. The fighting and violence is

4:48

like no other sport like it makes

4:50

the English hooliganism seem low level like

4:53

this was like every game

4:55

was almost the malice in the palace

4:57

where fans and players fought. Can I

4:59

tell you what I just know about

5:01

ice hockey and I went to Vancouver.

5:03

Yeah, for the Winter Olympics. famously

5:06

sent home. That's

5:09

another story. But I

5:11

went out to film something at an ice

5:13

hockey rink and where

5:16

I was filming with the kids and I was playing goalie and the

5:18

kids are running rings around me and all the stuff. Yeah, as I

5:20

was leaving the guy goes, Oh, you might want to hang around for

5:22

this one. It's like under 13s

5:25

or under 14. The

5:27

scouts turn up not to watch them

5:29

skate kids to watch

5:31

them fight and john.

5:33

So imagine this scenario where there's a

5:36

coach talking to the kids and the

5:38

parents are standing around listening and the

5:40

coaches saying that guy doesn't walk off

5:42

the ice. This guy you take

5:45

your gloves off and smash him right in the

5:47

with the parents going, of course.

5:50

And you go, I've never seen this before. Yeah, it's

5:52

not it. But this was an accepted part

5:57

of the induction of

5:59

boys. on the skies supply

6:01

noise and the seventies was. Were.

6:04

And minor leagues. It was at another

6:06

level. and so you've got need dad

6:08

playing for the don't Stand. Jets.

6:11

For on sites johnson

6:13

it's. A. Minor league hockey club

6:15

and will get into a bit of them.

6:17

the plane the North American Hockey League and

6:19

the amazing thing about it is cigarettes a

6:21

call hate that saying the stories and say

6:23

say says. I'm. Gonna

6:26

come. And in bed myself. With

6:28

the time, kiss and save I can come

6:30

up with a script. And. She

6:32

comes up with the script for what become slap shot.

6:35

And. She goes back to Hollywood and

6:37

start sending it ran to film studios

6:39

and Iran says they love it. But.

6:41

It's so far fetched. At

6:44

the i don't want to make it like

6:46

Lego you needed time it down it's it

6:48

is too unbelievable you we want more time

6:50

that in real life and she's like no

6:53

I went and this is the old based

6:55

on real lox people interested but she's front

6:57

the problem was convincing at south al Pacino

6:59

was attached i cause he just finished filming

7:01

the godfather it had just come out and

7:04

this is looking at this free next project

7:06

thought the direct finity couldn't Skype. So.

7:08

Said no said night a persona so

7:10

they decided are going to do something

7:13

and they go and meet with that

7:15

universal and universal fi away interested but

7:17

it's too weird faces I'll tell you

7:19

what I'll get my brother a place

7:22

of this time. The Johnston Jets is.

7:24

I'll. Get him to come and tell his real

7:27

stories to. This is all based on this.

7:29

So. He comes and mates with

7:31

that petty universal Paul Newman.

7:34

Food. A A Bromley Mice were

7:36

eventually plays the main characters they came

7:38

in and George Hill who directed Butch

7:40

Cassidy and The Sunrise and Steam you

7:42

just come off as As and so

7:44

they the he's named networks in starts

7:46

telling them all the stories of his

7:48

playing days and they all go. Out

7:51

Districts more documentary then. Fill

7:55

slots a lot supposed noom and. Travels.

7:58

The john stand to actually go.

8:01

Out for a location. And

8:03

hey guys with Jets game and

8:05

with eighteen seconds left that night though

8:07

playing the Broome County Dusters a dolly

8:10

lead in the eighth, Gold The not

8:12

different. And. I don't stand Fans

8:14

shouted something at him. I have bad he

8:16

was playing. And. The goalie

8:18

skated over break his stick against the

8:21

glass. This is a podium and in

8:23

the audience to the golly climbs into

8:25

the crowd and stop fighting. The.

8:27

Fans cozy and the teammates or join

8:29

them in my start throwing the sticks

8:31

into the stressed the crowd is of

8:33

the but the boom town dusters. yeah

8:35

it's about the will be calm down

8:38

there place that the cameo the thing

8:40

when some Johnstown fans knock over the

8:42

bit of the plexiglas that surrounds and

8:44

I sakara do and that smashed one

8:46

of the dust and players on the

8:48

head set the guy a it fell

8:50

on the head the plagues had ten

8:52

rounds that abating I wanted to say

8:54

that it gets kicked off a game

8:56

sites Newman's by. Or is not believe the

8:58

story Israel bit of these first experience a lot

9:01

of a loss of up the game. he grabs

9:03

a be with a local reporter. Any

9:05

says that was the guy to sing

9:07

a we family were gonna film what

9:09

we're going to from Slapshot right here

9:11

is as a bit. so the sorry

9:13

we're gonna talk about is the real.

9:16

Version. Of Slapshot Yeah what it's

9:18

based on. Shocked. because it is. Even

9:20

if we haven't seen the movie, this

9:22

is just a crazy story. So the

9:25

John Stamp debts are professional three times

9:27

in Pennsylvania app that is a sort

9:29

of in that northeast corner of Moran

9:31

class. Chrissy great he call my and

9:33

all industrial Safety Nine in the same

9:36

hard drinking ah Draghi hard fighting Yes

9:38

they had been in the North American

9:40

Hockey League since Nine seventy three. Before

9:42

that there another legs that one. Playoffs

9:44

Fifty Two Fifty Three Sixty Sixty. one

9:47

sixty two and then it had stopped

9:49

and so by the seventies they had

9:51

not won in a long time and

9:53

they really starting to tomboy kept having

9:55

a good side i decide that by

9:57

a guy net hi they three brothers

10:00

they've heard of that are up and

10:02

coming young guys. And now these guys

10:04

are in the movie as the Hanson

10:06

brothers are based on. Unbelievable. But these

10:08

are the real life Hanson brothers called

10:11

the Carlson brothers. And they really existed

10:13

and they wore thick coat bottle glasses

10:16

and had long blonde hair. And

10:18

they look exactly like Garth from

10:20

Wayne's World. All three

10:22

of them, right? They're all they're three brothers. They're

10:24

all separated by one year. They're all like the

10:26

nerdy remones. Yeah, exactly. That's right. And that's what

10:28

they look like in a film the same as

10:30

they do in real life. So these are the

10:33

real life ones that Carlson. They're like Garth from

10:35

Wayne's World. They do. They don't. They you know,

10:37

they're big and muscly like they're all six foot

10:39

three. They're all born 53, 54, 55. There's

10:43

three brothers, the Carlson brothers, Jeff

10:45

Carlson, Jack Carlson and Steve Carlson.

10:48

They're all born in Virginia, Minnesota. They grew

10:50

up in this tiny town and

10:52

it's surrounded this area by a lot

10:54

of hockey. Right. So

10:57

their father worked in the mining industry is a

10:59

really tough guy. Their mother worked three jobs and

11:01

they were like hockey became a big thing for

11:03

them. And they decided

11:05

to play junior hockey for the

11:07

Minneapolis Junior Bruins. And

11:09

that was a junior league where it sort of up

11:12

and coming things and had a few

11:14

teams from Thunder Bay, which is in Ontario. So

11:16

it's been at Canada border, which is a big

11:18

thing. Now, Steve was a

11:20

finesse player. He was more just scoring goals

11:22

than that. But Jack and Jeff fought all

11:24

the time. They were big fighters. They're

11:27

all six, three huge guys.

11:29

Right. And they all played

11:31

on the same. You know, I think you have a line.

11:33

So you have two defenders and then you have a wing

11:35

center and wing and you play in shift.

11:37

You go off and on all the time. So they would

11:39

play on the same line. So they would play center and

11:41

two wings and they would play that all the

11:44

time. So always on the ice together. They wore

11:46

numbers that were all constitutes like the 17, 18,

11:48

19 numbers. Right.

11:51

So they look the same. They do all that

11:53

sort of stuff. Their Preferred method of attack was

11:55

to knock down all the defenders and then score

11:57

a goal. They

12:00

don't like Paypal yes a dual at

12:02

for the stuff. Now this is a

12:04

developmental one. this lay there remained up

12:06

after the back of that. They miss

12:08

out on college, really have any of

12:11

the high school element or college and

12:13

stuff and so they instead go to

12:15

the Jets in Pennsylvania the steel mill

12:17

town to join and they take them

12:19

by a plate storm front. So I

12:21

got called Fred your Stay with the

12:24

sports editor of the Johnston Tribunal Democrat

12:26

The Pipe and they were sent to

12:28

the airport to pick up they three

12:30

brothers the cows brothers for training camp.

12:33

And. He never seen emblem before the internet

12:35

know it's not as cat's name. I've all

12:37

sides. He was confident by

12:39

you'd you'd recognize for a hockey player from

12:41

so you guys them there and now and

12:44

at the High Uphold. Looks like the plane

12:46

right now I'm really looks like a hockey

12:48

player year ago and he's watching May. Three

12:50

guys with long hair and glasses. Pummel.

12:53

A vending machine that won't kick out? Make

12:55

tough because, whatever. And

12:58

he says he may rock band dry galleries

13:00

I say let like troubling long hair but

13:02

every on start living now they only three

13:04

people still media puts a went up and

13:06

said. A. You the cows

13:08

brothers and nicer we are and eight

13:11

is that all My God what are

13:13

we doing? He won't have we done.

13:15

What have we done Their own kids

13:17

and said during the first time on

13:19

the ice a training camp playing Stave

13:22

Coulson hold that say fingers to signal

13:24

apply never thing is. You. Don't

13:26

do that in ice hockey. Know and signal

13:28

rock lies and stuff especially back then. Said.

13:31

The rest of the jets looking at they three. We'd.

13:33

Eyes Gang What the hell are you doing? And.

13:36

The Golly said you don't do that in hockey.

13:39

That golly was wrong talking. And. Some

13:41

a place that the last the like. These guys

13:43

don't know. How To Play Hockey?

13:45

This is ridiculous. And one of the guys

13:47

laughing with the jets. Toughest. In

13:49

fourth or on the ice is. Said.

13:51

jeff coulson walks over and in the

13:53

where the dawkins skydive and beat the

13:56

tar and of him say based updates

13:58

of a state made wow on first

14:00

shift. You laugh at us,

14:02

we're going to build and everyone's like, who

14:04

are these three guys? Before the first game

14:06

they ever played a defenseman for the Jets,

14:09

Pat Western, he walks into the locker room

14:11

and he sees the Carlson brothers all sitting

14:13

together, which they always did because they just

14:15

do everything together. And they've

14:17

got golf clubs on their hands. Right.

14:20

And he says, what the hell are you guys doing? Why

14:23

have you got golf gods on your hand? And they go,

14:25

it's good. If you get in fights, it cuts their face.

14:28

And he's going, Oh my God. So what

14:30

they would do is they'd put on golf

14:32

gloves. Then they would get a file and

14:35

rough the outside of the golf

14:37

club up. Then they would put on the

14:39

radiator. So they would get

14:42

hard, you know, the leather would dry and get

14:44

really hard. They thought this through, they thought this

14:46

through. Then they put them under their hockey gloves.

14:49

And then they would make sure they got in the

14:51

game early for a fight so that the sweat didn't

14:53

sort of soften the glove. Anyway,

14:55

I read up on this and apparently this is very

14:57

common practice at the time. So it wasn't like they

15:00

were the only ones to do it. It wasn't their

15:02

invention. This was just an enforced that

15:04

you came up with ways to an enforcer

15:06

for those who don't know, you literally the

15:08

designated fighter for the team. Yeah. There's a

15:11

lot of hockey where it's like, if you

15:13

have an enforcement, they have an enforcer. Yes.

15:15

If something happens, those two

15:17

will fight. They're allowed to fight. No third man

15:20

in. Yeah. They can fight until such time as

15:22

they hit the ice. Yeah, basically.

15:24

That's all part of the game. It's way

15:26

settling disputes without having it. The refs involved,

15:28

but it's also sends this signal. If

15:31

you do something to one of our stars, he'll

15:33

come out and you know, so there's guys on

15:35

the team whose whole job is comparing the enforcer.

15:41

Westrom, who was the defenseman, he thought

15:43

this is going to be bonkers. So

15:45

their first game. In

15:49

the first period, he watches them. Westrom says,

15:51

I watched the Carlson's fly all over the ice

15:53

and smash opponents into the board. It was a

15:55

three headed attack squad out of Mayhem later

15:57

in the game. in

16:00

this first game all three brothers fought a different

16:02

opponent at the exact same time. They

16:06

racked up six penalties scored three

16:08

of the team's four goals and

16:10

Jeff Carlson was ejected. So that's

16:12

game one. Busy. Welcome aboard boys.

16:15

They just couldn't believe it right and it

16:17

turns out they teammates get to know them.

16:19

They're great players on ice right like they're

16:21

bringing in the heavy physical thing

16:23

that the Jets need. But then Steve Carlson who's

16:25

not the enforcer is quite a good scorer and

16:28

scores a lot of goals. So they suddenly have

16:30

this whole new dynamic to

16:32

their team. I imagine they're going to

16:34

be crowd favorites and the crowd. They're

16:38

going to be, if you would think with

16:40

this energy on the ice. Yeah. They're ticking

16:42

a lot of boxes for your ice hockey.

16:44

Oh absolutely. Absolutely. It turns out though that

16:46

they are quite strange. These three brothers. You

16:49

don't say. So Jeff Carlson had a brick

16:51

which he treated as a pet and

16:53

had it on a leash. Are

16:57

they abusing themselves? Yeah because this is in pet

17:00

rocks had been invented as a remember pet rocks

17:02

was a fabulous. What a terrible state. So they

17:04

decided it was like cheap to just have a

17:06

brick and it's really funny because

17:08

I was reading an interview with them like

17:10

recently like you know they're now in their

17:13

what 60s like 60s. He

17:15

said he still has the pet brick. He

17:17

said unfortunately it's sick at the moment. You might have

17:20

to put it down. Jack

17:23

Carlson was once whistled for a penalty

17:25

and in ice hockey if

17:28

you do something bad they'll like give you two

17:30

minute penalty which means you go and sit in

17:32

the. Yeah you sit in the penalty box for

17:34

two minutes then you can come back out. So

17:36

the team's effectively a man down for that period.

17:38

That's how it works. So you often hear about

17:40

the stats will be goals assist and then PIMs

17:42

which is penalties in minutes. So like a defenseman

17:45

might end up you know they might have 10

17:47

minutes worth of penalties in a game you know

17:49

but they kind of meant to get them. Jack

17:52

Carlson once was just for penalty and he's put in

17:54

a penalty box and the officials then look around and

17:57

he's not in the penalty box and

17:59

they can't find him. And

18:01

they finally find him. He's sitting three rows up

18:03

in the stand sitting next to a little kid.

18:05

Apparently the kid yelled down to him, Hey Jack, do

18:07

you want a hot dog? So Jack went up

18:12

and sat next to the kid and ate a

18:14

hot dog in the middle of the game. Does

18:17

his minutes still count? Yeah, they made it. They

18:19

said, you back at the box, right? On

18:21

the team bus one night, everyone's almost asleep.

18:24

You know, they did a long team bus,

18:26

right? Steve Carlson rolled up in

18:28

a blanket and went to sleep. And his two

18:30

brothers set him on fire. And

18:33

so he woke up with the blanket on fire

18:35

and they just thought that was hilarious. Everyone saw

18:37

the funny side. They would always like people's tennis

18:39

shoes on fire. That was one of their favorite

18:41

ones. Their coach, Dick Robarge, he

18:43

said once they were in a motel in Cape

18:46

Cod with the team. And he said to the

18:48

team manager, we have a block of

18:50

rooms. And he goes, yeah. And he goes, and we've

18:52

got the Carlson brothers. He said, yeah. He said, well, I

18:55

want you to put them at the other end of the motel to

18:57

me and let me know what the damages are in the morning. They

19:02

become quite well known. And one time they're standing

19:04

in the lobby of a motel and a kid

19:07

came in, he's about 10 years old. And he

19:09

walked straight up to Jack Carlson and said, are

19:11

you Jack Carlson? And Jack says, yes. And

19:14

the kids takes off his jacket, threw

19:16

it on the floor and said, I've

19:18

come to challenge you. Right. And

19:20

they're all thinking, what, he wants to fight me. And

19:22

then the kid produced a roll of quarters and said,

19:25

we're playing video games. And the only video game at

19:27

the point was Pong. You know, that old

19:29

tennis kind of thing. So one of these teammates

19:32

said, so Jack Carlson played Pong against

19:34

his kids for four hours while the

19:36

other Carlson stood there cheering. They're all

19:38

really into it. Now,

19:42

when they got their first paycheck at the

19:44

Jets, they went down to the local department

19:46

store and bought Muramoke Central cars that run

19:49

on tracks, you know, like the old, the

19:51

scale. So they bought like a big set

19:53

of that way to celebrate. Yeah, that's their

19:55

first perfect. So in their living room, they

19:58

set up a track and a went

20:00

down the hall into the bedroom into the bathroom

20:02

and then back out again. Pubs

20:05

weren't open every night in this town. So

20:08

almost every night the whole team would come over

20:10

and they would drink beer and race these cars

20:13

and then put down 20, 30, 40,

20:16

50 bucks in the middle and whoever won

20:19

would take all the money in the

20:21

middle of the track. So they would do all

20:23

this sort of stuff. And one

20:25

of their teammates said the fridge was full

20:27

of beer, had the cars, he never saw

20:29

food in the house, see how they ate,

20:31

right? Like turtle content. Now

20:34

the season is kicking off

20:36

and they are playing a team

20:38

called the Mohawk Valley Comets. They're

20:41

great names all these. Fantastic. I

20:43

like this division. It's a January

20:45

night, there's trouble where Jack Carlson

20:47

squares up to Mohawk Valley defenseman

20:49

Gerard Gibbons and before the two

20:51

could exchange punches, Steve

20:53

Carlson decides to rush in and cross-checks Gibbons, which

20:56

is where you hit them with a stick. And

20:59

that sets up this huge brawl, right? The

21:01

whole, because you're not really meant to do

21:03

that. If it's two guys, yeah, closer. So

21:06

the whole ice is every player fighting,

21:09

right? And then an

21:11

object thrown from the stand and it hits Jack

21:13

Carlson in the face. Now some witnesses say it

21:15

was keys, others say it was ball bearings, nuts

21:17

and bolts. Because this is the rough league it

21:19

is, right? Either way, the Carlson's

21:22

and some of the teammates go over the

21:24

glass and into the stands and

21:26

they use their sticks and they're fighting with

21:28

their sticks, hitting the fan of Mohawk. And

21:32

the Mohawk Valley coach claims that one of

21:34

the Carlson's chucked his stick into the crowd

21:36

like a spear. And

21:40

Asher tries to come and fight one of the Carlson's

21:42

and one of their teammates fight him. 15

21:44

policemen arrive at the arena and they haul

21:47

away Jeff and Jack Carlson in cuffs. Well,

21:49

the game's on. Yeah. So

21:51

they're like hauled off. This

21:53

is escalated from a two minute sin bid.

21:55

Yeah. And Compton. There's

21:58

a lot of going to jail. A

22:02

couple of castles down. The

22:06

team then comes up with a slogan for

22:09

the season called, aggressive hockey is back in

22:11

Johnstown. That

22:13

becomes this slogan. Dave

22:15

Hanson, who was one of their teammates, he said,

22:17

when I played for the Jets, I didn't play

22:19

in one game when there wasn't at least one

22:22

fight. Right. And everyone is happening. And

22:24

he said, every visiting team to Johnstown

22:26

had to be escorted out of the

22:29

town with police dogs from

22:31

the fans. So the fans are just as

22:33

much as the brothers. I love it. Two

22:36

weeks after the brawl, whether they've

22:39

been arrested, they're out of jail on

22:41

bail and it's still been worked through the court. They

22:44

face the broom County Dusters and some

22:46

of the Dusters players before the game

22:48

where fake glasses attached to big noses.

22:51

Some more. Oh no. Oh,

22:57

that's a dick move. Steve goes

22:59

up to the, the Johnstown coach and

23:01

says, coach, as soon as that puck

23:03

is dropped, we're pairing up. He

23:06

declared his intentions. And

23:10

that's what they do. The puck drops. They

23:12

instantly start fighting the other side. The brawl

23:14

went for 30 minutes and everyone got, until

23:16

everyone got tired. The brawl resulted in Jack

23:18

Carlson was flew over the board. A Duster

23:20

player ended up on the Johnstown bench where

23:22

he received about a thousand lumps. One

23:25

of the people hitting him was the coach. The

23:28

Dusters coach accused Jack Carlson of wearing tape

23:30

on his hands, you know, the old boxing.

23:33

And Dusters enforcer Ted

23:36

McCatskill, he said after the

23:38

game about Jack Carlson, if

23:40

I could have, I would have decapitated him.

23:43

That was the first match interview. I

23:47

love it, mate. The

23:51

Jets had been an okay team, but struggling

23:53

a bit around this time

23:55

after that big brawl, something

23:58

changes. They are. team with

24:00

a losing record and then suddenly they go on a

24:02

22 to 8 winning streak.

24:05

22 wins, 8 losses. Incredible. And

24:07

in the final 30 games. The violence led recovery.

24:09

Yeah in the final 30 games of the season

24:12

they roar into the playoffs and they clinch fourth

24:14

spot. Good stuff. And Western one

24:16

of the defenders said everyone was scared

24:18

of us to be truthful. And

24:21

by the way I'm laughing at this outrageous violence because

24:23

it's ice hockey and if it's an accepted part of

24:25

the game I can enjoy

24:27

it. You know what I mean? Part of

24:30

the contract. Don't be offended or

24:32

take out a contract. What is the

24:34

70s? We know this is not, we

24:36

wouldn't be approving it. This is embedded,

24:38

it is baked into the

24:40

game. You're part laughing because you can't

24:42

believe this happens right? Because today it's

24:44

so sanitized. They

24:47

tried to stop the fighting and no one can.

24:49

The fans, they had to reintroduce

24:52

the idea that you could officially. In the

24:54

70s it was even more because in this

24:57

the fans are fighting as much as the,

24:59

it's a wild night out. It's a wild

25:01

night. And also you've got to remember this

25:03

is the lowest level of the minor leagues

25:05

right? An ice hockey by nature is a

25:07

working man's role. It's not the top end

25:10

of town. Yeah no absolutely. So they go

25:12

on this run, the Carlsons play a huge

25:14

role because one they're physical and intimately. Steve

25:16

Carlson is so good he scored 30 goals

25:18

and 58 assists in 70 games

25:21

which is amazing. Jack

25:23

Carlson actually gets called up before

25:25

the playoffs to play for the

25:27

St Paul Fighting Saints. So

25:29

he actually gets promoted and so he

25:31

leaves. It's just the two other brothers

25:34

there. The brothers. Yeah now

25:36

in the playoffs round one they beat the Cape

25:39

Cod Coders. They beat

25:41

them three-one in the series. The

25:43

Coders? The Coders. The Cape Cod Cod. Cape

25:47

Cod. What do we call ourselves? The Coders. That

25:51

puts them against their big rivals the

25:53

Syracuse Blazers who will get to more

25:55

of them in a second. The Blazers

25:57

like always beat the Jets normally. Syracuse

26:00

are 32 and 5 at home

26:02

and the Jets haven't won a game at

26:05

their date. The Blazers had him since 1971,

26:07

so it's like five years since they've won

26:09

there. The series goes that

26:11

the Blazers win games 1, 4

26:14

and 5, which are at their home thing,

26:16

and the Jets win games 2, 3 and 6 at

26:19

their home. It sets up a decisive seventh

26:21

game, but it's at Syracuse. But

26:24

Steve Carlson scores twice in this

26:27

and they win 5-4 and it ends a

26:29

41 game winless streak

26:32

for Syracuse, so they beat Syracuse.

26:34

Those are great scenes. It's great

26:36

scenes. After the game, Syracuse

26:38

fans go after the three referees and try

26:40

and kill them and they have to be

26:42

snuck out by the police. But

26:45

this is the first time. So they go into

26:47

the final round against the Broome County Dusters, the

26:49

ones they had the huge brawl with, who wouldn't

26:52

know, and they beat them 4-0 and

26:54

win the championship. So they,

26:56

Carson's have led them to

26:59

this famous victory. There's

27:01

a huge parade in downtown with

27:04

high school bands and all this sort of

27:06

stuff. The mayor makes all the team honorary

27:08

citizens of the town, right? So it's this

27:10

huge thing. So this is like

27:13

as the movie in the background is being put

27:15

together, plans to film it

27:17

after the season using the

27:19

rink and a lot of the players in the role.

27:21

So two of the Carlson brothers actually played two of

27:24

the Hanson brothers that's based on your own. And

27:26

a lot of pretty much everyone except for Paul Newman and a couple

27:28

other actors on ice and

27:31

even other real players that we're

27:33

talking about. They can't

27:35

believe that this team has won the championship.

27:38

It's kind of this miracle turnaround and

27:40

they've discovered these three brothers that they go this, we

27:42

can hang a lot of the movie on this. The

27:45

brothers, Steve and Jeff do play themselves. They

27:47

go, we negotiate for five seconds, but they

27:49

realize that this is a job that was

27:51

easy and they got paid a lot to

27:54

do. Paul Newman was the big

27:56

star. And so he had his own large

27:58

house for filming. But

28:00

then he also had a motel room closer to the

28:02

filming if it was late night or something and all

28:04

the other cast was staying at this motel. In

28:07

his room, he had the best room, it had

28:09

a one person sauna. And

28:12

Newman apparently loved this sauna. So

28:15

one day the Carlson brothers decide to

28:17

fill it with popcorn. Like

28:21

the whole sauna. So

28:24

they fill up the whole sauna right to the

28:26

top and they wait for Newman to respond.

28:29

Of course you do. So next day

28:31

Newman says, hi, how are

28:33

you going? Doesn't acknowledge it at all. And

28:36

they go, did he go to his house? Not

28:39

from hotel room. Yeah, that's your hotel

28:41

room. Yeah. And Newman's just like very

28:43

friendly. And they're like, did someone else

28:45

clean it out before

28:47

he got there? You know, like what,

28:49

you know, next day Newman's

28:51

just normal. Just and they're going, oh, OK. So

28:54

then they have to film this scene getting picked up

28:56

by a bus at a roadside. And then they've got

28:58

to get up the bus and arrive. And it's all

29:00

being filmed. So them arriving at a game. Newman

29:03

says to the whole team, let's

29:06

strip down naked and run off naked as a

29:08

joke. Like, you know, run off the bus all

29:11

naked. And it's like, you know, in the snow

29:13

and everything. And they're all a

29:15

bit drunk. All plays are, yeah, let's do it.

29:18

So they all go off and then they suddenly

29:20

look back and they look back and Newman's just

29:23

on the bus. Shut the door.

29:26

And they're all locked outside nude. And

29:30

there's a huge crowd that's built because

29:32

Paul Newman's in town to watch the

29:34

filming. So suddenly you've got these like

29:36

20 ice hockey players all standing there

29:38

back naked in the freezing cold. And

29:40

Paul Newman has the window open, but

29:42

the bus locked and goes paybacks a

29:44

bitch, boys. That

29:49

is well thought out. Served cold. So let

29:51

that ride. He

29:54

gave them nothing. Also Newman said that

29:56

the local authorities were happy

30:00

that there were all these naked people here

30:02

and the producers had to talk the police

30:04

out of arresting everyone for public indecency which

30:07

made Newman just laugh even more. So he's

30:09

just on the bus watching the chaos he

30:11

has created. He doesn't care. He's like a

30:13

huge movie star. That'd be a lesson. Now

30:16

one of the great characters in the film

30:18

which you've seen and if you don't know

30:21

is there's a big villain called Auggie Oglethorpe.

30:23

Yep. He's the one with

30:25

the big blonde afro in the movie and he's sort

30:27

of presented in the movie as the villain,

30:30

the guy that they have to beat to get past,

30:32

right? Correct. Now he's played

30:34

by Ned Dowd, the guy whose sister wrote

30:36

the movie, right, in the movie. But he's

30:38

based on a real life player and

30:41

that player's name was Bill Goldie

30:43

Goldthorpe. He played for the

30:45

Syracuse Blazers, who the Jets

30:47

were archrivals with. He didn't play in the 75-76

30:50

one. He'd

30:52

gone to another club by then but he played the year

30:54

before. He was this

30:56

huge guy, toughest guy in

30:58

hockey, almost ever some would argue. The

31:01

white guy but a huge blonde afro and

31:03

huge sideburns and we'll put pictures on the

31:05

Discord for the news. It is

31:07

bonkers. Now he had history with the Jets. The

31:10

year before the Carlson brothers arrived, he was

31:12

playing in the semifinals against the Jets. He

31:14

was playing for Syracuse. With 19 seconds left

31:16

in the second period of fight breakout and

31:19

Goldie and another Blazer, a teammate of his,

31:21

Bart Butow, wound up in the penalty box

31:23

and the Jonestown fans are giving

31:25

it to them. Yes. And

31:27

Butow turns to God and says, you know what I

31:30

hate more than the other players? The fans. And with

31:32

that he picked one out of the stands and pulled

31:34

him over the glass and started beating him up, which

31:36

led the Jonestown people fans to push

31:38

the glass down. Of course you

31:40

do. And so suddenly Goldie and Butow

31:43

are fighting all the crowd in the

31:45

penalty box. And they managed to

31:47

fight their way out and back to the dressing room

31:50

and they're barricaded in the dressing room with fans

31:52

trying to get in and kill them. And

31:55

they're having to wait for the police

31:57

to come. And the police always came.

32:00

dogs to control the hockey

32:02

crowd all the time. So they always had to

32:04

bring angry German Shepherds to get... So

32:09

they're waiting there and holding the

32:12

door in the locker room and

32:15

all of a sudden the coach looks around and says, where's

32:18

Costas? Now he's referring

32:20

to none other than

32:22

Bob Costas who is a

32:24

commentator and very famous legendary

32:26

commentator in American sports. At

32:28

the time Costas was like

32:31

18 and was a senior

32:33

at Syracuse University. And

32:36

he was working as the

32:38

Syracuse team's radio broadcaster. And

32:40

when the brawl had broken out, he was up in

32:42

the press box. He was trying to calm it down

32:44

by saying, the players will be back on the ice

32:47

anytime now stalling making the crowd think they were going

32:49

to come out when really he knew they weren't.

32:51

And so Costas finally joined the team on

32:53

the bus, but by that time they're

32:55

surrounded. They are brick

32:58

crashers through one of the windows of the bus

33:00

and they get out of town with this police

33:02

escort. This was such a

33:04

huge thing that the Johnstown's players vote not

33:06

to go to Syracuse and forfeit that series.

33:08

Really? Because they knew it was going to

33:10

be on with their crowd after what they

33:12

did. But Costas tells

33:15

some great Goldie stories, right? Because Costas

33:17

goes on to be called Super

33:19

Bowls and everything. But

33:21

he said on one trip, he said Goldie

33:23

saw Costas reading the newspaper on the bus

33:26

and ripped it up in front of him. Just

33:29

grabbed it and ripped it up because it was offended. We

33:32

don't want readers around here. And Costas responded,

33:34

don't be jealous Goldie. I'll teach you how

33:37

to read. He said it. Only

33:40

Goldfault's teammates stopped him from killing

33:42

me. He said

33:44

once Goldfault was called up for the Minnesota

33:47

Fighting Saints, he got an extra two minutes

33:49

in a fight. The coach

33:51

said, why has he got an extra two minute

33:53

penalty than the normal penalty? And

33:55

the ref said, well, Goldfault left the penalty box

33:57

in the first place to enter the start. didn't

34:00

even bring his gloves or his stick. Now

34:05

Goldie was, he was, he's one of the

34:07

great kids. He was born in Northern Ontario

34:09

in a railway town. His father was an

34:11

engineer on the railroads. His mother Pearl

34:13

was a nurse. And when

34:16

his parents got married, their best man was

34:18

a guy called Leo Bovin, who was an

34:20

NHL tough guy for the Bruins. One two

34:22

Stanley cups, one of the toughest men. So

34:25

he's born into this tough town and sort

34:27

of his dad's best man and best mate

34:29

is an enforcer for the Bruins. This

34:32

is the environment he grows up in.

34:34

Yeah. Goldie's kicked out of elementary school

34:36

in his hometown of Hornypane, Ontario, for

34:38

trying to throw another boy out a

34:40

second floor window. The

34:43

window would note wide enough and the principal

34:45

came into the room and intervened. Now it

34:47

was snowing, so he would have been thrown

34:50

into a snow bank. So let's just

34:52

look at the news. Schools

34:55

frown on you throwing other students out windows,

34:57

right? By the time Goldie hit grade nine,

34:59

he had to be moved to Thunder Bay

35:02

because he was not allowed to register for a

35:04

high school in his hometown because of his track

35:06

record of fighting, right? So he

35:08

moved in with his aunt, Eva Gannon, in the

35:10

house and she had a statue of the Virgin

35:12

Mary in the attic window to keep

35:15

evil out of the house. And she would

35:17

say to him, I can see it in your

35:19

eyes. You're bad. He's

35:23

like a kid, right? He was

35:25

arrested 20 times before his 18th birthday.

35:27

Lord. And he was probably going to

35:29

have, you know, that would be his

35:31

life. He was destined to end up

35:33

in jail. But

35:35

once at a midget tournament, midget

35:37

junior ice hockey, he came

35:39

to see aid of a man who was wrestling with

35:42

a referee who had the referee had hit a spectator.

35:45

And so this man had intervened on

35:47

to pull the ref off the spectator,

35:49

right? What a sport. Yeah, it's crazy.

35:51

Now that man was Albert Carver and

35:53

he was a legendary Thunder Bay coach

35:55

and he was very appreciative of

35:58

Goldie saving him. Now, Gold. Goldie's

36:00

like 17 at the time, right? And

36:03

so he said, why don't you come play

36:05

with the Port Arthur Mars, which is one

36:08

of the feeder clubs. Goldie comes and becomes the enforcer

36:10

for them. This is like you were saying at the

36:12

start about young kids fighting, right? It's all young, he's

36:14

like 17. In

36:16

one particular game, a fan slugged

36:18

one of the players and Goldthorpe

36:20

flew into the stands to

36:23

hit the fan that had hit the other player. And

36:26

in a scuffle, a security

36:28

officer's leg gets broken. So

36:31

a month later, Goldie shows up at the

36:33

same arena, the security guard recognizes him and

36:35

Goldie thinks, oh, this is a guy's leg.

36:38

I kind of had a hand in breaking

36:41

and the security guard stormed up to him and he

36:43

thinks, oh, it's okay, I'm gonna have to fight the

36:45

security guard. And the guy goes, hey,

36:47

thanks man, I'm getting compo. I've never had it

36:49

so good. This

36:51

is one of the best times. I can't thank you enough

36:54

for breaking my legs. Before

36:56

he's a sophomore student, he's

36:58

playing juniors for Thunder Bay, he

37:00

got in a fight with five guys back in

37:02

his hometown. He says they were druggies and they

37:04

were making fun of me. And he said, I

37:06

smoked them all. So he's charged with five counts

37:08

of assault and sentenced to 15 days

37:10

for each, so 75 days. And

37:13

it's in a town 5,000 miles away from Thunder Bay, because

37:16

he's gone home for this. It's

37:18

looking to him, he's already serving a suspension for

37:20

hitting a linesman during a fight the previous season.

37:24

So a friend's father manages to pull some

37:26

strings and gets him transferred to the Thunder

37:28

Bay Correctional Facility, where he's allowed

37:31

to be signed out for practices and game. Oh,

37:33

this is good. This is young Griffin. Yeah, so

37:35

they signed him out, he plays the game, then

37:37

they put him back in jail. Goldie,

37:40

by the end of his life, would have been

37:42

arrested more than 50 times. And he said he

37:44

was jailed at least 30 times. Very,

37:47

usually fighting on bars. He

37:49

said, every place I played, I got put in

37:51

jail except for Minnesota. He said, I

37:53

got in a fight in every game there, but I just didn't

37:55

get in any bar fights for some reason. That

37:58

during his rookie season. Syracuse

38:01

and they win the league championships. He had

38:03

25 fighting majors in the first 29 games

38:07

and had 285 penalty minutes in

38:09

the season and still had 20 goals

38:11

and 26 assists which is amazing

38:13

because he was barely on the ice right. In

38:15

one incident he got in a fight with a

38:17

guy called Bob O'Reilly they were both sent to

38:20

the penalty box an official was trying to keep

38:22

Goldfop out of trouble. O'Reilly had gone into the

38:24

penalty box Goldie managed to break

38:26

free and attack Bill O'Reilly in the penalty

38:28

box and O'Reilly tried to use a chair

38:30

to keep him at bay. Now to give

38:34

you an idea Goldie played for Thunder Bay as a

38:36

junior and there was a team called the Charlotte Islanders

38:38

and said they were older than we were and they

38:40

beat us up good. So I

38:42

said to them with my last breath

38:44

when I become a pro hockey player

38:46

I will get every one of you

38:49

guys. From my words I make this

38:52

pledge. So he literally draws up a list

38:55

of all of these players and he

38:57

said later Kevin Devine Gareth McGregor, Al

38:59

McAdam I fought him and I said

39:01

you tell those other guys I'm coming

39:03

for them and when I

39:05

was done I always said that's for the boys in

39:07

Thunder Bay the land the tough guy. He

39:10

fought every single one of them over

39:12

his career. Yeah like holding a grudge.

39:14

They have made a very powerful energy.

39:17

He once skated jumped out of the penalty box skated

39:19

after lines when he was angry with and another effort

39:22

he grabbed him by the arm so he bit the

39:24

linesman on the leg. Another

39:27

time he got arrested on the ice for

39:29

a fight the police came in and marched

39:31

him and four other teammates into the paddy

39:34

wagon in their full ice hockey gear. They

39:36

even had this cape still on. I love

39:38

it. So he was constantly doing all this

39:40

sort of stuff and he was always getting

39:42

arrested. In 1980 he was

39:45

playing for the Spokane Flyers. He

39:47

has a ball of Gatorade and he's been

39:49

put into the penalty box and there's an

39:52

announcer who announces the penalty and he's saying

39:54

you know go for two minutes

39:56

you know for fighting. One

39:58

of the opponents is Yellow going, you idiot,

40:00

now you know. And so Goldie gets a

40:03

Gatorade bottle that's full and tries to throw

40:05

it at his opponent, but it slips out

40:07

of his hand and knocks out the announcer

40:10

who's mid-announcing his penalty. So

40:17

he's suspended, so the next day he attends

40:20

the game in street clothes, right, because he

40:22

can't play. And he's

40:24

in the sand and he's wearing a suit

40:26

and a brawl breaks out. He

40:28

thinks, well, I can't watch my fans fight without me.

40:30

So he goes down and gets onto the ice. The

40:33

security guards are so scared and they don't stop him.

40:37

And he opens the door and goes out on

40:39

the ice and starts fighting. But he's got no

40:41

skates on his shoes, so he's slipping everywhere. He's

40:43

still, and he fights for ages. One of the

40:45

people he fights is Ron Orr, who's the brother

40:47

of Hall of Famer Bobby Orr, and he also

40:49

fights the general manager of the other team. Now

40:53

he got kicked off the spoke end flies for

40:55

assaulting the owner, who was upset with him for

40:57

ning an opponent and getting suspended, right? So I

40:59

can't keep up. It's hard. In

41:02

1980, he's shot in the stomach while trying

41:04

to rescue an ex-girlfriend. His

41:06

ex-girlfriend had a drug dealer and

41:09

he was using her. Now is that two minutes at the

41:11

sin bit? I don't know, shooting someone. He's an ex-girlfriend at

41:13

the time, but he was sort of still seeing her a

41:15

little bit. And she has a drug dealer and Goldie shows

41:18

up at her house and the drug dealer's abusing her and

41:21

he steps in and Goldie pushes him down to

41:23

the ground and tries to take the girl out

41:25

the door. And the guy stands up and pulls

41:27

out a gun and shoots him in the stomach.

41:30

So Goldie's been shot in the stomach and

41:32

it hurt him really badly. They said if

41:35

he hadn't been as strong as he was, he wouldn't have made

41:37

it. So he is

41:39

nursed back to health and Goldie says that was

41:41

a real wake up moment for me. And

41:44

someone said, do you mean like you stopped fighting after

41:46

him? He goes, no, I just didn't ever talk to

41:48

that girl again. This

41:50

is loose. He

41:54

decides to straight up a bit. He goes

41:56

to community college to study computer program while

41:58

he's recovering. a

42:00

woman being dragged out of a van by

42:02

this man. So he comes over and grabs

42:04

the man and the man

42:06

and him fight and the man pulls

42:08

out a knife and slices Goldie so

42:10

bad that he almost dies from loss

42:13

of blood. But Goldie fights him off

42:15

and the cop said he was on angel dust. So they

42:17

said he was lucky to live. He needed 300 stitches and

42:20

if the buddy hadn't put a tourniquet

42:23

around his arm, he would have bled

42:25

to death. So he takes four

42:27

years off and he comes back

42:29

in 83-84 with the Moncton Alpine.

42:31

He has this first ever match

42:35

and it makes him an instant legend there

42:37

because before the game they

42:39

were playing the Nova Scotia Voyages and

42:41

the previous game which Goldie hadn't been at

42:44

the team then, they had beat the living

42:46

daylights out of them. So his teammates were

42:48

all like they belted living daylights out of

42:50

us last year. So this could

42:52

be Warren, they're very physical and Goldie's

42:55

like right. So the national anthem is

42:57

playing and Goldie

42:59

says open the gate for me like because

43:01

there's a gate to go under the ice.

43:03

The play goes to the national anthem saying

43:05

don't worry. He skates up

43:07

to the opposition bench, all

43:10

the national anthem playing and starts talking

43:12

to them all. His

43:14

teammates are going what's he saying to

43:16

them? Like you know basically the game

43:18

gets played and the other side don't

43:20

throw one punch or anything because he's

43:23

gone up and just threatened and said

43:25

I will kill anyone. So

43:28

just here he's, Rebuday is so fierce

43:30

that just his going up and saying

43:32

this means that you know

43:34

this is what he's got suspended after

43:36

breaking a stick on a player a

43:38

bit afterwards and this was his final

43:40

ever act on ice. He

43:43

said by this point he'd got tired of fighting. He'd

43:45

played the 10 minor league teams. He'd racked up 1,132

43:47

penalty minutes in 194 games. He'd been banned from

43:54

six pro leagues and three senior

43:56

leagues. He goes on and

43:58

he doesn't get to play. himself in

44:01

the movie because Paul

44:03

Newman's brother came to watch

44:05

him play and after the

44:08

game Goldie chucked a bottle of coke and a

44:10

teammate hit the wall and shattered because it was

44:12

a glass bottle and Newman's brother

44:14

had just happened to walk in and all

44:16

the glass and Cola fell on him and

44:18

he went, this guy's too loose. And

44:21

this was a sticking point forever.

44:24

So after the film, the film comes out

44:26

and the brothers all get

44:28

promoted. The Carlson brothers all

44:31

get promoted to a much bigger thing. They

44:33

have a few more fights before

44:35

they do it. They have one fight where the

44:38

Jets are playing, they've got a black player

44:40

on their roster and they're

44:42

playing the Buffalo Norseman. And

44:45

the Buffalo Norseman fan holds up a sign

44:47

saying, black should only play basketball. So

44:50

the Jets are instantly like, we hate these

44:52

guys. So

44:55

the next game they wait, it's

44:57

in Johnstown, during the warmups, Johnstown's

45:00

Vern Camiato, he skates past Buffalo's

45:02

Greg Neild and he'd

45:04

lost his left eye earlier in his

45:06

career. Camf says,

45:09

hey, you one-eyed bastard, let's fight.

45:13

So the fight starts before the

45:16

game is even commenced and

45:18

there's no officials on the ice yet. So the

45:20

brawl just goes forever because no one's there to

45:23

stop it. Eventually the

45:25

Buffalo Norseman head into the

45:27

changing room, refused to come back

45:29

out. So the league awards the

45:31

win to Johnstown. Rewarding their violence. Yeah, because

45:33

they said, well, it's before the match, doesn't

45:35

count, you didn't show up for the match.

45:38

So it was all like, eventually the Carlson

45:40

brothers go on and get promoted to a

45:42

higher league and they go on. Steve

45:44

Carlson plays for a whole

45:47

bunch of teams, the North England Wailers,

45:49

the Edmonton Oilers, Minnesota Fighting Saints. He

45:51

plays for Los Angeles Kings. Jack

45:53

Carlson goes on place for a bunch of similar

45:55

teams. He racks up 1,111 penalty minutes in his...

46:00

lifetime. That's all the famous stuff. Yeah, Jeff

46:02

Carlson plays them in a set of fighting

46:04

things. He's the same. The Hanson

46:06

brothers received more than 300 crests

46:08

a year now to make appearances. That's

46:10

how popular they are. The Hanson brothers

46:12

as in the guys in the film.

46:15

So they still make a lot of

46:17

money. Slapshot itself was a flop at

46:19

the box office. Was it? It was too weird. It's

46:21

an unusual film. It really is. You've

46:24

got to get your head around it.

46:26

But a lot of these Paul Newman

46:28

films that you just got from the

46:31

director. We're odd. Odd. And

46:33

it's become now a classic. It's a classic. It's

46:35

now seen as one of the great sports movies.

46:37

It was like those movies that come out and

46:39

at first people are like, ah, and then it

46:41

takes off. Now Goldie, he was

46:43

always bitter because he wasn't allowed

46:45

to play himself. And the character is so

46:47

clearly him. It looks exactly like him

46:49

all these. He didn't watch it

46:51

for a dozen years but in 1989

46:53

he finally saw it and he said

46:56

I'd never laugh so hard. And healing

46:58

began because they started inviting him to

47:00

promotional events because the slapshot has lots

47:02

of promotional like ongoing reunions and stuff.

47:04

They start inviting him. Nancy

47:06

Dowd finally met him and

47:09

she was nervous. She said when I first came to

47:11

Johnstown she said this in a speech and

47:13

he was there. When I first came to Johnstown

47:15

maybe before I'd heard rumours of someone very intimidating.

47:17

I never saw him. Never saw a picture of

47:19

him. But in my writer's imagination he took shape

47:21

and became real. I created Auggie

47:24

the Goon from this man's reputation.

47:26

The man who invaded my imagination

47:28

long ago was Bill Goldfault. And

47:31

she said later after she gave that speech

47:33

she said she's nervous but he was just

47:35

incredibly nice and just a real gentleman. And

47:37

when I read the tribute he had tears

47:39

in his eyes. Here's this guy who was

47:41

the biggest Goon alive and he was so

47:43

kind it was a wonderful moment.

47:45

Fantastic. So that's the story of

47:47

Flapshot. I love it. I love

47:49

the film. One of the

47:51

great conceits in the film is how the handsome

47:53

brothers sit there for a while. They don't get

47:56

a go which is different from what they say

47:58

they played. But just that waiting game. of

48:00

them, you're going, what

48:02

are these guys? What effect are they going to have

48:04

on this movie? And then, boy, it's

48:06

just fire. It just shifts the whole

48:08

movie, doesn't it? It's incredible. Um, that's

48:10

a great story. Again, we apologize for

48:13

laughing at the violence, but it

48:15

is what it's all about. Oh, yeah. You're

48:17

a little, it's bonkers. The whole story is

48:19

bonkers. It's like, it's like boxing. It's embedded

48:23

into the fabric of the sport. Well, that's a beauty.

48:25

You know what? I'm going to go, I'm going

48:27

to go watch Slapshot again. And

48:30

I'll bet you most of our listeners are going to go

48:32

and do this. If they haven't seen it well, if

48:35

they have, you get that out again. Cause it

48:37

was an absolute ripper. All

48:39

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