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12:06:58 Okay. Hi. I was distracted by captioning. 12:07:08 Okay, yes, we're recording. It's binary jazz and here we are at a podcast with some folks that live on the internet. 12:07:17 Making contact. Content for artificial intelligence. That's our new tagline is we make content for AI. 12:07:23 Hey, we're all running gray today. 12:07:27 It's a great day. 12:07:32 I was wondering if it is green. 12:07:32 Oh, sorry. 12:07:30 This is actually like green. But it's okay, it looks gray on the. TV. 12:07:40 TV. 12:07:41 I don't know the screen. 12:07:46 So, yes. 12:07:46 And one of the fun things about this timing is that the sun is shifting to my windows. So in a moment, I'm gonna just have this glow about me. 12:07:53 Oh, that's good. Yeah, I'm 12:07:58 Thanks. 12:07:54 You always have a glow about you. Angelic. 12:08:02 Oh boy. Lots of unpack there. 12:08:05 Yeah, hey, I wanted to talk to you guys about this cool project that I really think that you should, back it's the Baylight's project. 12:08:15 Yeah. 12:08:19 Love art. 12:08:25 Okay. Prox, approximately 3 people. 12:08:22 Sorry, that was a very inside joke for. Just just the people on I mean Yeah, approximately 3 people. 12:08:32 Yeah. There are at least dozens more around the world that would get that. They probably don't listen or watch the show. 12:08:36 Yeah, at least dozens. Yeah, exactly. If you are, welcome. Yeah. 12:08:40 But if you are Give us a shout out and Les, let us know where you're tuning in from. 12:08:48 Yeah, we have a contact form on the website. Nobody uses it, but it, but our website [email protected]. 12:08:56 You can talk to us. You can download episodes. You can. Do all sorts of things. 12:08:58 Oh. 12:09:00 We will respond to comments if you leave us some feedback or ask us questions. 12:09:05 I'm glad to have this conversation. Chris, I want to take some time your calendar so we can move to the new server. 12:09:07 Yeah. Oh, right. 12:09:11 But working on that since January. 12:09:12 Not that feedback, that's not fun feedback. 12:09:14 Yeah, that's not the feedback we want on the, that's not the content we want in the podcast. 12:09:20 Sorry. 12:09:21 Yeah. I mean, we could do that. That would be a very dull, episode of Gary and Chris. 12:09:31 Yeah. 12:09:28 We should record that as a supplemental. The episode. 12:09:31 That extra release for. Thank you. 12:09:35 It, it would be very boring. There'd be a lot of like, 12:09:40 Wait, what? 12:09:38 But it could be like. It could be like co-working like when people just want sort of like. 12:09:49 Yeah. 12:09:46 Just regular noise in the background of people. Like coffee shop noise. 12:09:51 And the best part. 12:09:52 I'm just imagining, I'm just imagining somebody downloading that to their podcast app and then like playing it. 12:09:59 Just as background noise, I guess, maybe we just become ASMR at that point. 12:10:05 Yeah. 12:10:05 Here's how it would start though. It would start out like a Okay, we're recording. 12:10:12 Yeah. 12:10:10 Hey, can you see my screen? Yep, okay. And then it would be like big blocks of silence while stuff happened like clicking and typing and then spread a conversation and then. 12:10:22 And it's done. And now we've summed up this this addendum episode, so you don't need to listen to it if it does show up on the internet. 12:10:30 I mean, it's gonna be like an hour supplemental with like 15 words. 12:10:34 Yeah. A lot of a lot of breathing. 12:10:36 I'd watch it. I background it. I put it in the background of my 12:10:48 Okay. 12:10:49 Yeah. 12:10:43 Right. Alright, is it loading for you? It's weird. What did you change your Etsy host file? 12:10:52 Yeah. 12:10:57 Right? Right. 12:10:55 This is such compelling content. I can't even stand it. Can I make, can I make a small announcement? 12:11:02 Yes. 12:11:03 Okay. History. NASA. Gov has now been consolidated into the new. 12:11:10 CMS as of Wednesday. Tuesday, Thursday. One day this week. Doesn't or cares? 12:11:15 It doesn't matter. Nobody knows. 12:11:18 So when you do that, when you do that, when you when you pull in something that was previously an entirely different site into the main site. 12:11:31 No. 12:11:27 Are you doing it like? Subdirectory is it like a multi site sort of thing is it like you're just pulling content from the first thing and putting it into the other thing. 12:11:35 So that like all the content is there. 12:11:36 It's pretty, it's pretty white glove. So it depends from site to site. So history, there's a lot of stuff that. 12:11:44 Is preserved as is because it is actually a historical artifact in the history of NASA. 2 such pieces the Apollo flight journal and the Paolo Lunar Surface Journal could check them out are just amazing and continually updated as people. 12:11:58 5 better ways to restore audio and visual recordings of those missions and Document further things that were previously undiscovered like to this day. 12:12:07 But also a lot of pieces, our. You know, moved to new CMS as first-class, you know, WordPress content. 12:12:18 Some pieces are left to their own special. Place it's it sort of depends on the nature of the thing being migrated in but it becomes part of the Primary CMS. 12:12:30 No longer an idle. Isolated. Thing. Is that idle? 12:12:37 Yes. I, I formally worshiped, history.com. I no longer can. 12:12:43 It's assimilated to a new guide. 12:12:43 Okay. We all knew that. 12:12:44 I mean, that sounds legit. Yeah. 12:12:50 Yes. 12:12:53 Yes. 12:12:54 Feel like you had the well I don't know this is a contest of most productive week maybe goes to Gary as far as like 12:13:02 Oh, my week was not productive at all. Yeah. 12:13:02 Well, This was the second thing I started on when I started here. So it's taken a year and X months to get to this point. 12:13:10 So. 12:13:10 So it is a big finish line, yeah. 12:13:13 For me and for Michelle on the project and 3 dozen other people on the internet. 12:13:21 My counts. 12:13:22 The different 3 dozen other people probably no overlap. 12:13:22 It's more than 3 dozen. There's more than 3 dozen people. Some overlap. 12:13:32 It's definitely. 12:13:31 Yeah. Wait, with each other? 12:13:36 3 dozen? 12:13:37 There's some overlap between the 3 dozen that would consume the history NASA site and the Less than that probably that would get the joke that was told at the top of the episode 12:13:48 Oh. 12:13:49 Yeah. 12:13:52 Probably. 12:13:56 I have to answer a question. 12:14:00 Now we're just, Gary, staring at the screen in us staring awkwardly at each other stage of the 12:14:10 No. 12:14:10 Yeah. 12:14:07 Did, did you update the That's gonna make me I'm gonna say that at some point to my family they're gonna be like What? 12:14:17 Like, Etsy? What? 12:14:19 Yeah. 12:14:19 Yeah. 12:14:23 So. 12:14:23 Why is it called? Etsy? Like not, dot, not ETC, but like the site Etsy. 12:14:31 Probably because somebody was changing their Etsy hosts filing like we should create a so called Etsy and that was it, you know? 12:14:37 And we're gonna sell bespoke. Doilies. 12:14:41 Who cares? What we sell? We'll just start an internet thing. 12:14:43 Yeah. The internet. 12:14:44 It doesn't matter. Yeah, the content of it. The content doesn't matter. 12:14:49 Remember when content was king? 12:14:51 No. 12:14:52 Do you remember that phrase back from like the Oh god, early 2 thousands content is king. 12:14:58 Umhm, now AI is king. 12:14:59 I am. I made the discovery that 12:15:04 Someone in my cohort like for school is was born in 2,000 That like really, that was just like. 12:15:10 Wow, yeah, that's gonna make you feel old. 12:15:14 Yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm totally fine. I'm totally fine. 12:15:20 Cause we were talking about like slang and she was just like, Oh, yeah, like millennial slang. 12:15:24 I just don't get. And I was just like, how old are you? I thought we were peers. 12:15:28 Yeah. 12:15:29 Good. 12:15:31 Yeah, that would break me for a little while. 12:15:34 It really did. It's really fascinating and it's also really hilarious to talk about slang with different generations. 12:15:41 I guess, let me consult my calendar. Yeah, I guess if they were born in 24, they're 23 or 24 years old at this point. 12:15:48 That mathematically checks out which doesn't seem right. Your 2,000 just happened like 3 or 4 new years ago, right? 12:15:56 There is a really cool, there was a really funny moment where, okay, so, so again, we're gonna go back to Chris Watches critical role. 12:16:06 Chris also watches a lot of stuff on dropout and one of the shows on dropout is called Dirty Laundry where it's sort of like a How can I? 12:16:14 It's sort of like a truth or dare sort of thing ish. There's other games. 12:16:18 There's there's some game I can't I can't think of it but it basically it's like There is a secret that belongs to someone in the room. 12:16:25 Hmm. 12:16:25 And everybody needs to guess on who that secret. Belongs to basically and One of the and they were doing it with the cast of Critical Role. 12:16:37 And one of the members of the Critical Role cast was talking about 9 11 because he was talking about how he did this weird stupid thing. 12:16:50 Hmm. 12:16:49 He brought something on on a plane and he was like surely they wouldn't allow that now, but this is before 9 11 And they're like, well, wait, how long ago was it? 12:16:56 He's like, you know, 3 or 4 years ago. When do you think 9 11 happened? 12:17:02 It's like 3 or 4 years ago. I mean, I was like, you know, pretty easy. 12:17:06 No! 12:17:05 Well, maybe it was 3 or 4 years ago. Great day just dropped a new album. So it is only 3 or 4 years ago. 12:17:10 It's true, yeah. And sublime is touring again. So, you know. 12:17:15 I'm, oh, I'm gonna try and some a millennial sign. I'm low key excited about this. 12:17:22 Green day album. 12:17:22 Is low key, millennial slang specifically? 12:17:26 I don't know, I have no idea. 12:17:33 Yeah. Yeah. 12:17:27 Speaking of which, Sleet or Kitty has a new album while we're going, Okay. 12:17:32 While we're going, yeah, yeah. It's so, huh. When I when I was in the eighties 12:17:40 Yeah. Sorry. 12:17:46 Oh my god. 12:17:44 In the eighties and nineties there was this thing called classic rock, right? We all remember classic rock. 12:17:49 Okay. 12:17:52 My dad used to define classic rock is as Bands that have at least one band member who has deceased. 12:18:01 Okay. 12:18:00 Pretty much throughout most of the eightys and ninetys that was a pretty good accurate descriptor like somebody in like all the classic rock bands that you can think of. 12:18:11 Somebody was probably dead. Like you could pretty much guarantee it. But now that definition doesn't fly anymore unless we're going to like expand classic rock to include like Prince and David Bowie which it very much should not include those artists. 12:18:28 Okay. 12:18:28 And my whole like my whole concept of like what music like how it works. Is still in this frame of mind of like Like, oh yeah, classic rock is this sort of thing. 12:18:43 And so it doesn't really compute that. Like Slater Kenny. Like what their debut was like, 92 or something like they should be classic rock by the actual definition of classic rock but like we're not calling it that because that would be I don't know make us feel old cuz like classic rock was like our parents music 12:19:05 I don't know. I mean, yeah, but also like classic rock is is like a genre. 12:19:08 Plastic punk? Classic, classic post punk. 12:19:12 Yeah, yeah, I think that works. 12:19:16 Yeah. It's just old people music, I think, is, is what it comes down to. 12:19:22 Both people music is just shifting. Window of, just depending on who, who falls into the elder category for this particular 12:19:35 I said something about the eightys and Charlotte is learning about I had no option, don't need about school. 12:19:43 Centuries, I don't know, something. And she said, the 1980 s or the 1880 s. 12:19:49 I'm like. 12:19:50 Excellent, burn Charlotte, excellent for. 12:19:53 What in the world? 12:19:59 Okay. 12:19:56 You're like, how old do you think I am? Good. 12:20:02 I mean, her age like you don't. That doesn't happen that natural calculation, but. 12:20:08 The 1980, s or the 18 eighties. 12:20:12 My. 12:20:12 Alright, well. 12:20:15 Yeah. 12:20:12 The ones that I lived through? Oh wait, that's not a good, 12:20:17 Yeah, how would, yeah, how old you think I am? I don't know, like a hundred. 12:20:21 Well, okay. 12:20:20 At least a hundred. 12:20:21 I mean, you know, Abe Lincoln, right? My mom brought a bunch of papers and nostalgic stuff that I was going through and like some stuff being like oh forget why did I even save this toss recycle. 12:20:37 And some stuff that I was like, oh, this is kind of fun to keep. I'll look back on this in like 5 more years, 10 more years and reminisce again. 12:20:42 And then toss it. 12:20:43 And, I found this, I found a card that My like school supervisor slash chemistry teacher wrote me and in the card and it's so funny to me now but at the time I definitely didn't clock. 12:20:57 That it wasn't it wasn't weird at the time I guess because I was younger He was just like in all my 38 years of life, like this is my best advice. 12:21:11 Yeah. 12:21:09 And I was just like, he was only 38. When I was in high school, I thought all the teachers were just like. 12:21:15 I don't know, so much older. Good. 12:21:15 65. Yeah. Like this far from the nursing home. Yeah. 12:21:22 I 12:21:22 Yeah, and I was just like, I was taking advice and knowledge from someone who was Younger than I am now? 12:21:29 Why would I do that? Yeah. 12:21:27 Yeah. Like, 10 years older than me or something. Yeah. Yeah, no, I had so a number of. 12:21:38 The people that I went to high school with became teachers or entered like the education. Thing and one of them actually teaches at the high school that we attended. 12:21:49 Oh, I have a friend that does that as well. Yeah. 12:21:49 And Yeah, and it's weird and when she started teaching there, I had that moment of like, oh. 12:22:03 Yeah. 12:22:00 Right because that's a thing Like, people can do that. Teachers were not like, like. 12:22:07 And like, I don't know what about you, but my friend was like, peers with teachers that we had that were still there and I was like what? 12:22:13 Yeah. Yeah. 12:22:16 You're calling them by their first names? Good. 12:22:40 Yeah. 12:22:18 Yeah. I mean, I did have a couple like younger teachers that didn't that like broke that sort of line that automatically like exists between students and teachers, and they were like the cool teachers or whatever, but like, yeah, by and large, they're like alien life forms that are just infinitely older than you and yeah, so it's always. 12:22:43 So yeah, it was a really weird like. Oh, and you're and and you're teaching English. 12:22:54 Yeah. 12:22:50 At the school that you studied English at. Okay. 12:22:58 I remember distinctly. I don't know why I remember this distinctly, but it's weird. 12:23:08 Yeah. 12:23:07 Good. Great. Like the monks. 12:23:05 Like that I thought my teacher had to live at school because that's where the teacher was. Kindergarten first grade, probably, sixth grade. 12:23:14 I don't know when it happened when I realized, but, Yeah, so like we would drive past the school and I would wave. 12:23:15 I mean, for maybe perhaps 2 of us that was actually true. 12:23:21 Yeah. 12:23:21 Yeah. 12:23:22 I don't know about your experience, Alison, but like, I do think many of the priests and nuns at my Catholic school did live at school. 12:23:31 So. 12:23:31 Oh yeah, at boarding school, like a lot of my teachers lived on campus. So that was like an added layer of. 12:23:37 Yeah. 12:23:37 Oh, you see them at dinner. When you're supposed to be doing something else. 12:23:39 Oh. 12:23:41 Move. 12:23:43 Oh. 12:23:57 Yes. 12:23:42 But like to your point, Gary, like my mom was like a primary school teacher and like she would run into parents and their kids in the supermarket and they would caught they like they would be stunned into like, cause they just feel like Why is she not at school? 12:24:00 Like. 12:24:03 Yeah, isn't that funny like Like it's like a cool Understanding of like how our brains develop at a certain point. 12:24:17 Gorsuch! 12:24:14 Well, yeah, obviously this person is a human and has to do human things like eat and like not teach all the time. 12:24:21 Yeah. 12:24:22 Yeah. But like at that age, like, you know, well, no, they're just magical. 12:24:27 They just stay here and teach constantly. 12:24:28 Just like parents are infinite. 12:24:30 But do you find that like I'm still that way in certain contexts like for instance like I don't expect to see people in other contexts so like for instance like when I drive with someone who I've never been in a car with before and I'm like, oh yeah, you drive. 12:24:48 Hmm. 12:24:49 Like that's the thing. It would happen if I was in a car with either one of you and be like, oh yeah, like that's something you guys do on a regular basis. 12:24:53 But like I don't think 12:24:53 When we get to the first red light, and it'd be like, Gary, I'm getting out. 12:24:58 Yeah. 12:24:58 Take it personally or don't. I don't care. 12:24:57 Yeah. Well, there have been some stories that have made me rethink driving with you, but. 12:25:03 Yeah. 12:25:03 Yeah. Yeah, I'm, I'm a when was it? It doesn't matter. 12:25:12 Earlier this week I was driving and was I was coming up to a red light and I was deep in thought which I don't know. 12:25:21 I mean, here's an opportunity to be present. I've come after red light and I'm deep in thought. 12:25:25 And so I stopped and I looked both ways and I started to go before I was, this is not a stop sign, this is a red light and it's a it's a traffic light I hit. 12:25:32 Yeah. 12:25:33 Constantly. But in my brain I was like Stop sign, stop sign, stop sign, red light, stop sign, stop. 12:25:40 But the only light, I'm like, all right, I stopped and I started to roll forward and I'm like. 12:25:44 So. Fortunately. 12:25:44 Yeah. You're like, I've done the stock part. I can go now. 12:25:49 No. 12:25:50 Yeah, unfortunately I'm rural and you know at 10 am on a Tuesday or whatever it was there's not a lot of people on the Perfect. 12:26:00 We have a 4 way stop down the hill from us and nobody knows how to nobody knows how to do it. 12:26:11 Converge, immediately. Yeah. 12:26:14 Good. 12:26:07 Because what winds up happening is 4 cars like all convene at once. And then, then it's like, I don't know, it's a pure Canadian standoff of everyone being like Hugo, no you go you go you know and I'm like somebody's got to go we're gonna be here all day like Yeah. 12:26:25 Yeah, but it's more like, it's more like, you go. Hey, you go. 12:26:27 You go. 12:26:30 Round or O. 12:26:32 I love to laugh with Rhonda about traffic like if like on a Friday like oh let's go get dinner I'm like oh my god traffic's gonna be terrible which means like It's possible. 12:26:41 There's a car one car. 12:26:46 2. 12:26:44 Well, there's times where you might actually get like. A full cycle of a light. Because there's 4 cars at it. 12:26:48 Oh. 12:26:55 Yeah. 12:26:51 And like And I will always come, like there's a lot of traffic out today. And it's like you're looking like a quarter mile in each direction and there's like 4 cars. 12:26:58 Hmm. Well, we, just got a pretty big, dumping of snow in the last week and, What happens in Utah every time it snows or the first major snow is immediately everybody starts complaining about how badly Utah drivers are in snow. 12:27:19 Which I don't even know it's accurate because I've seen videos of Seattle drivers in snow. 12:27:28 Hmm. 12:27:27 It's really icy up here in the Pacific Northwest. 12:27:32 I'm sure. 12:27:32 Yeah, well, I mean, and the thing is that like, you know, we've driven through snow over the mountains. 12:27:39 In like Oregon and Washington and At least in Oregon, they don't, I mean, we probably had this conversation before they don't plow when it's snowing they plow when it's done. 12:27:48 So if you hit it when it's snowing then yeah it just it just sucks. 12:27:54 Yeah. 12:27:54 I was gonna say I don't know if I've shared this story or not, but then I realized I have because it was like the second week we were doing the show maybe. 12:28:02 And that is 12:28:01 Hmm. Well then it's retro because that was 8 years ago. 12:28:08 No. 12:28:09 That true. 12:28:09 I think so. Well, we're on season 6 and we skipped breaking a season, which means that 7. 12:28:20 I have no concept of time. 12:28:18 So it's probably. Yeah. Yeah. 12:28:26 Right? No. 12:28:24 No, that was like 3 or 4 years ago we started this. Anyway, I was trying to see my brother and his family. 12:28:31 In the van with our family. It was snowing in Georgia on the interstate. And of course, Georgia has no idea what to do. 12:28:41 And people in George have no idea what to do. So like we're going across like. I mean like the right hand lane like driving at a sensible speed because I have I clearly have no idea what the hell I'm doing none at all And I'm watching people like off the road off the road and I'm like. 12:28:48 Sure, sure. That's what you do. 12:28:54 I'm not staying in the interstate. It's been way too fast. So we're gonna take like, you know, state roads from here, which in hindsight probably was also not the best approach, but whatever. 12:29:03 Huh. And confirm. 12:29:05 At some point the interstate has a complete stop and we're a complete stop and this We're heading north and this snowpower comes flying past me like How is there a snow cloud south of where I am in Georgia coming up this way like it's Georgia they own like a single snow plow in the entire state. 12:29:20 Hmm. 12:29:24 So he was going to rescue the day. Then I got off and I was on the state road and there was a point where it's like coming down, coming down, coming down, and I'm like, this is This is serious. 12:29:33 I don't know what I'm doing and I was holding the wheel so tightly and like every little like shimmy at 20 miles an hour, you know, I'm like, don't, don't do make no sudden movements. 12:29:43 Like don't surprise the snow, I guess. I don't know. I'm not sure how that works. 12:29:45 So I'm laying in bed that night and like I can't sleep because I keep like thinking like I'm gonna put this van in a ravine like I was it was like I had like post-traumatic stress from from driving in the snow and not knowing what I was doing. 12:29:57 Yeah. 12:29:57 Did I ever tell you all about the fun snow driving experience I had coming back from work? When I worked in Park City. 12:30:07 So it's down. The mountain and it was in the middle. It was based like light out conditions. 12:30:15 And it was late. It was like after closing, so it's probably like 1010 30 or something at night. 12:30:20 So there wasn't there were no plows it had been snowing for a while. It was pretty thick. 12:30:26 It was basically white out. And I had no chains. So because it was fine going up, it wasn't a problem going up. 12:30:35 I don't even, we might have had, I don't think we even had snow tires. 12:30:39 Wow. 12:30:38 We just had regular like tires like all weather or whatever. It was It was the most, I would say, educational. 12:30:48 Snow driving experience I've ever had because like Like, not only could I not see, like, usually, like, if, if there's cars on the road, even if it's coming down, you can at least see like the red tail lights of the car in front of you. 12:31:03 There was not. And this is not like a straight. Highway, it's like winding through the mountains and like luckily there's no like sides where there's like a sheer cliff like a drop on the other side because that would be terrifying. 12:31:16 But I was definitely like, I have no idea where the lines are. I have no idea where the road is. 12:31:21 Hmm. 12:31:32 Yeah. 12:31:21 I'm just gonna drive in a direction like pick one and then Wait until I'm in the middle of the road and then like Because I did that like I just picked a direction and kept driving and all of a sudden I'm in the middle of the road like over where the center divider is I'm like okay need to go into different direction. 12:31:38 Correct. Oh, that's that's like It's hit in your stomach kind of driving. 12:31:42 And it's slipping. It's slipping and it's sliding and I'm going like. 12:31:48 20 miles an hour or something like and you try putting on the high beams like you think that's gonna make a difference to know that makes it worse. 12:31:59 You think that's gonna make a difference and know that makes it worse. If you're like, maybe I just turn the lights off. 12:31:56 Somehow it's like it's brighter but it's darker. Yeah, yeah, yes. 12:32:02 You're like, oh, right now I can see how little I can see. 12:32:05 Wonderful. 12:32:05 Right, right. Yeah. It's great to be able to see these snowflakes directly in front of the car. 12:32:10 That one's pretty. 12:32:10 That's really helpful. 12:32:13 I have this week we've had temperatures below 20 most mornings. So I've had to scrape past off the window before taking Charlotte to school, which You know. 12:32:24 Wow. 12:32:24 Do you have a good scraper? Probably don't. 12:32:29 Okay. Yeah. 12:32:27 It's okay. It's no, it's not great. When I push down, like I get like 2 about the middle doesn't scrape. 12:32:36 So I guess it no, I guess I don't. Yeah. 12:32:35 Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, no, we have, we, when we got the Prius, we sort of inherited whatever the scraper was that was already in the car. 12:32:44 Hmm. 12:32:46 And it's just like a little hand held thing, which is probably very similar to what you have. 12:32:50 So just got has a little blade thing, which is probably very similar to what you have. So just got, has that little blade thing. 12:32:56 The other one that we have is like long and this kind of thing at the end has got a brush, you can brush off snow and it, you know, is good, but this one is like, and it has that problem where like if you don't get it at quite the right angle it's gonna do like 5 parallel lines and then like skip a big block and you have to go over a million times. 12:33:08 Like a not smooth shave. 12:33:12 Yeah. 12:33:10 So yeah, we definitely Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, definitely get yourself a better one. Because that's what we need to do. 12:33:16 I don't know if I'm going to because We're probably all the way, we're probably most of the way through it at this point. 12:33:22 Yeah, yeah, but next year. 12:33:24 That's what I do every year with like boots and things. I'm like, well, I only really need them like 4 days a year, so. 12:33:30 Yeah. 12:33:30 I don't feel like that's a budget, budget friendly idea to get something new. 12:33:37 Hmm. 12:33:37 I'm like the only reason I generally keep my winter coast, cause my parents live in Colorado. I'm like. 12:33:43 Okay. 12:33:43 But I had to bust out my winter coat this week and I was not a happy camper. 12:33:47 Yeah, it's Charlotte has this like heavy coat and gloves and like it's I mean it's she looks like she's getting ready to head to like do research. 12:33:56 In the Arctic. It's amazing. 12:34:00 It's not. 12:34:01 And at Carpool, they have like a bunch of teachers outside, which corrects me, the age teachers. 12:34:06 So I'm like. Look at them. I'm like, they're so young. 12:34:09 But like, you know, I guess if you're low on the totem pole, you have to do. 12:34:13 Our pool. 12:34:18 Hmm. 12:34:13 Powerful. But in the cold days, they've sent extras out so that they can take turns going inside to warm up because No one here inside address for the weather. 12:34:18 Oh, that's awful. 12:34:22 Yeah, it is. I give them a lot of card for that. They do take care of their people. 12:34:25 Like the principal and the deaner. Lovely, lovely folks. 12:34:34 Hmm. 12:34:43 Just wanna see how long the. 12:34:43 Have you, did you, you sure you updated at C hosts? 12:34:47 Yeah. 12:34:51 I I was. How can I tell a story without returning a sad story? 12:34:59 Yeah. 12:35:07 Hmm. 12:35:02 I was asked to. Run or help run a grief group for my volunteer gig at hospice. So I'm starting that soon. 12:35:11 Which is both exciting and also similar to like Am I, am I grown up growing up, right? 12:35:21 Am I adulting right? So, yeah. There, it wasn't sad at all. I did it. 12:35:26 Yeah. Yeah, having a grief group is not a sad thing. My dad tells me stories about like, I guess he's in some sort of support group for 12:35:43 Hmm. 12:35:39 Other people with prostate cancer and he hears all the stories about like their things that they're doing. 12:35:48 What do you have a pizza on your head Gary? 12:35:49 I was trying to bring some levity to the sad story, but it took me a long time to get there. 12:35:51 Yeah, okay. Yeah. 12:35:54 So I'm just up with Pizza Hack because the timing was bad and I feel silly about it. 12:35:55 Yeah. I think those I think those peer groups could be really helpful though. 12:35:58 And it's, Yeah, yeah It's the sort of thing that I wouldn't have expected him to do because he's not the sharing. 12:36:10 Type. 12:36:13 Yeah. 12:36:12 Bit more solitary, but maybe, I mean, maybe he goes there and doesn't share. Maybe he's just kind of hanging. 12:36:17 Yeah, I definitely think he's absorbing a lot of things from what other people are saying and sort of like using that. 12:36:24 Yeah, that's good. 12:36:23 To help frame his experience. Yeah, so I do think it's it's it's been good, but like it was when he first started talking about it it was sort of surprising to me that he was doing 12:36:36 Yeah, yeah, no, I would surprise me if my parents did as well, anything like that. I'd be surprised. 12:36:46 Seeing as my dad doesn't seem to understand therapy as a concept, I'm like. Like going to a group would be very odd. 12:36:52 Well, and and the funny thing about it is there was a point in time once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away when he was like interested in studying like child psychology. 12:37:06 Hmm. 12:37:14 Hmm. 12:37:06 So like it's not the idea that therapy is like not a concept he can consider. I just don't know that it's a concept that he considers for himself. 12:37:17 Right, yeah. 12:37:31 Hmm. 12:37:18 Which is also been obviously communicated down to me and what I like. Sort of carried with me for most of my, you know, part of my life when therapy would perhaps have been most helpful, including to including up to and possibly including now. 12:37:45 Pump up the jam. 12:37:38 Well, I mean, you know who to come talk to if you need someone to pump up pump up the jam. 12:37:50 Gary, if you're gonna do weird things, they're videos and I'm gonna do weird things. 12:37:54 Alright. I'll add on to that that. 12:37:59 I started this year and I've had a couple sessions and I'm still kind of figuring out where that takes me, but. 12:38:08 Well, it's still pretty early days for you to. Report back. 12:38:06 I will, Also. Yes, extremely. Yep. Yep. 12:38:19 Oh, well that's, yeah, I feel like that's. 12:38:16 I think now there's more questions. Which makes sense. Makes perfect sense. Of course it would go that way. 12:38:22 Yeah, and depending on the type of therapy or like whatever modalities and blah, blah, blah, like. 12:38:29 I mean, yeah. 12:38:30 Yeah, well, we're still discovering what that will be and mean for me. 12:38:43 Hmm. 12:38:43 Wow. 12:38:47 That sounds really cool. Yeah. 12:38:37 I'm in the class right now where we're supposed to be like kind of developing our personal theory of therapy or like what modalities we're leaning more towards and that sort of thing and like obviously early days for the program as well so no one's expecting any concrete decisions to be made. 12:38:56 But it is really interesting to see like people's leanings and like my teacher had us take this kind of. 12:39:03 Not a quiz, but this kind of rating thing. And to no one's surprise I got Number one for feminist. 12:39:13 Which is not a shocker at all, but I was also shocked that it was its own module kind of thing because 12:39:19 That it's not like integrated into just everything because that is how things work. 12:39:27 Yeah. 12:39:22 Well, yeah, I was like, oh, for me, it's kind of like an adjective that I add on I would add on to like other things not Not just, oh, this is feminist theory. 12:39:35 Yeah. 12:39:34 It's patriarching capitalism. That's why you're here. Like. I don't know. 12:39:39 Anyway, I just thought that was, and it's not really its own module, but in the quiz it was. 12:39:43 Yeah. 12:39:45 So I don't know, they teach it differently in the class, but. And also I was one of like 2 people that got it as a result in our top 3 and I was like Come on, come on, Gang, equality, like equity. 12:39:57 Yeah 12:39:59 Let's do this. Hey. 12:40:01 Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's yeah Yeah, I remember. 12:40:10 Hmm. 12:40:12 Hmm. 12:40:04 I'm amazed at how recent so many studies are in in books that I'm raising reading this is like a field that's like blossomed in the last 25 years significantly. 12:40:19 Or 3 or 4 years, I guess. 12:40:18 I think so. And I think once people kind of 12:40:24 I think different. 12:40:27 Test, I don't know, test groups, test subjects. And once it started branching away from like kind of. 12:40:34 The mainstays, like people taking those ideas and running with them versus just like relying on like, oh, this is the idea, like this is Freud, this is young, like. 12:40:43 Hmm. 12:40:46 Yeah, yeah, that's I was gonna say like my, my one psychology class that I took in freshman year in college. 12:40:57 Was covering all the like. Foundational psychiatric. Thinkers, so Freud, skinner, young, yadda, yadda. 12:41:06 Yeah. 12:41:08 But even within that, like, It's in the like figuring out where you're leaning is an interesting take because like even within that like I felt myself leaning towards like well yeah over here in this general area you know like 12:41:26 Yeah. Well, yeah, and they make certain statements where you're just like, I mean, like, I'll send you the little rating thing and you guys can do it for yourselves if you're interested. 12:41:34 Yeah, that'd be awesome. 12:41:35 Yes. 12:41:36 And, You know, just statements of being like. The counselor should be in a position of like. 12:42:01 Hmm. 12:41:46 Sympathetic teacher or like whatever you kind of agree with. Yeah. It's just yeah, I found it really interesting and especially if like I went in not I know a lot about therapy and I've been in a bunch of different types of therapy but like I'm not educated as far as to like which statements would match up with which one necessarily although I do believe the feminist ones were really obvious. 12:42:08 Hmm. Yeah. 12:42:10 I don't think those that's a shocker. But like some of the other ones I was like, oh, I don't know what you would call that per se, like in the family tree. 12:42:17 Hmm. 12:42:17 Right. 12:42:20 So going in without that knowledge was kind of More helpful for me, cause I was just going in reading statements instead of being like, oh is this existential?