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name is Robert Barber. I grew up in Frankfort, Michigan. Also

1:21

in Benzie County. I

1:25

graduated from Frankfort. I'm

1:27

a personal trainer since 1986. I

1:32

also have been interested in

1:35

Bigfoot since before I can remember. The

1:39

reason for that is back

1:41

in the 70s, my grandma

1:44

had property out in Lake

1:46

Ann in Benzie County, Michigan. And

1:49

there was a section of woods that

1:54

no matter when you went, there

1:56

were no birds and no squirrels. You

1:59

didn't hear chipmunk. and whenever you walked in the

2:01

woods, you would get a

2:03

creeped out feeling of being watched. And

2:07

even the dog wouldn't go

2:10

in those woods. And we

2:12

were just always told us Bigfoot's woods and don't

2:15

go there alone. Just

2:17

walking walks with grandma and grandpa. And

2:21

one night during watching

2:23

in search of with Leonard Nimoy, they

2:27

played the Patterson and I pointed to the

2:29

TV and I was

2:32

five years old when that aired and

2:35

asked my dad if that was

2:38

what's at grandma's and he says, well, not

2:40

that one, but yep, that's Bigfoot. That's what's

2:42

at grandma's house. So

2:45

even before I can remember, I've

2:47

always had an interest in it because he kind

2:50

of grew up around it. There were instances

2:54

where they have 17 inch tracks that

2:56

were cast going from her bedroom window

2:58

one night to the woods to Benzi

3:00

County deputies investigated it.

3:02

There was a report filed and

3:06

so Bigfoot

3:09

has been an interest of mine

3:11

for a long time. And

3:14

then so I watched everything I could

3:16

growing up and all the limited

3:19

TV you had between you

3:22

know, 70s and my first sighting

3:24

happened in 1987. And

3:28

I was known for taking late

3:31

night drives to clear my

3:33

head. You know, life's trouble

3:35

is a teenager, 16 year old. And

3:39

as I was coming around the corner, which would have been

3:41

just a couple of miles from where my grandma's property was,

3:45

there was probably between

3:48

11 and midnight. And

3:51

as I round the corner, there's this huge black

3:53

mass on the right hand side of the road

3:55

next to the guardrail.

4:00

I thought, man, somebody whipped

4:02

out a big bag of garbage. I was pretty hot

4:04

under the collar because I thought that was pretty rude

4:06

and pretty gross. Then

4:09

as I got closer with the high beams

4:11

on, I noticed it had hair and

4:13

it was something crunched down.

4:17

So I thought it was going to be a big black bear

4:19

because it was a big mass. So

4:21

I figured I was going to get really close to a big

4:24

black bear. That

4:27

was in about 20 feet and came to a

4:30

full stop. I

4:32

think at that point, the

4:34

bear realized that I wasn't going

4:36

anywhere and that

4:39

I was there to look at it at

4:41

that point. So

4:43

the bear stood up on

4:45

two legs and turned.

4:49

It was definitely a massive big foot.

4:53

It was black with reddish brown

4:55

highlights in the

4:58

high beams. It

5:00

was tall enough where the high beams only

5:02

illuminated up to about the chin, but

5:06

you could see the

5:09

yellow eye shine. They

5:12

were baseball size easy. The eye shine had to be

5:14

seven and a half, eight foot in the air just

5:16

for the eye shine. Because

5:18

I'm looking at the torso and legs of this

5:20

thing, I had a 79 El Camino

5:23

at the time. When

5:26

it squared off, its shoulders were equal

5:28

to the outside of the fenders of

5:31

that El Camino. So

5:36

you can see the

5:38

massive chest. It had hair over the abdomen

5:41

and thighs, but the arms hung down

5:43

actually below the just

5:46

above its knees, but below the hood of

5:48

my car. There's

5:52

a five or six second point where we're staring

5:54

at each other and then I kind

5:57

of got a little nervous, so I was going to hit the horn.

6:00

And as I go to hit the horn, something

6:03

in my head tells me if I push this

6:06

button, this thing's gonna

6:08

get mad or get scared and I'm gonna have a

6:10

really bad day cuz he's gonna tear this car apart

6:12

to pull me out. So

6:15

there was another five seconds stare down and just

6:17

the mass of this

6:20

individual was beyond anything

6:22

I had seen at that point. I

6:24

mean, even professional wrestlers look tiny compared

6:26

as far as muscle

6:29

mass and the size and just enormous

6:33

is the only way I can think

6:36

of it. And even that sounds kind

6:38

of like an understatement. But

6:41

after about another five seconds, so we've got about

6:43

a 10 second total. It felt just like it

6:45

was staring into my soul and I'm looking at

6:47

it. It just turned to

6:50

its left and literally stepped over the guardrail

6:52

and it was gone. And it

6:54

stepped, it didn't hop, it didn't jump, it just took

6:57

one step and off into the woods it went. And

7:01

that was in 1987. So

7:05

now at that point, it didn't,

7:08

because I've grown up with it, it wasn't a shock

7:10

that they were real. So it didn't alter my reality

7:12

or have any PTSD

7:14

like a lot of people do who don't believe

7:16

in them, but then get traumatized

7:18

when they do see it because it changes

7:21

what's real and what's not. I

7:23

grew up with it being real. But

7:28

I sat on that experience for all 30

7:30

years because back then it wasn't very cool

7:34

to talk about Bigfoot and you

7:36

were going to be labeled crazy.

7:42

So needless

7:45

to say I was hooked on Bigfoot, but I

7:48

wasn't going out looking for him. I was just

7:50

living my teenage years and got married and had

7:52

kids. But

7:55

I stayed as current as I could on

7:58

the Discovery Channel and History Channel and when

8:00

finding Bigfoot came out and all those shows. And

8:03

then finally I got to the point where

8:05

it was like I wanted to confirm what I

8:07

had seen. You know, I

8:10

wanted to see another one for myself, but

8:15

no clue how to do it. I mean,

8:17

I'm just an armchair quarterback at that point.

8:20

So I got into the Facebook groups. Luckily

8:23

enough, I had a friend who said he'd grown

8:26

up in Benzie County as well. He

8:29

was very current on reports and

8:32

had his ear to the

8:34

ground of what was happening. So

8:38

he told me of a place and this was in 2019. And so

8:46

I decided to

8:48

go. And I

8:51

was in a store and I happened to bump into a friend and

8:53

she's like, what are you doing? I said,

8:56

I'm actually going to go look for Bigfoot.

8:58

And she just tease

9:01

me to no end. She's like, well, I'm bored.

9:03

I'll go with you. She says, but

9:05

you know, they aren't real, but

9:07

it'll be fun to walk in the woods. Which

9:13

for my first Bigfoot, huh? I mean, people

9:15

go decades and lifetimes without finding anything. How

9:18

am I going to find one on my

9:20

first try? So

9:22

we drive up to the woods and

9:24

we walk down a

9:27

trail. I'm pretty bashful and, you

9:29

know, kind of worry

9:31

about what people think, what I'm doing, whether I'm crazy

9:33

or not, obviously, because they said on my Bigfoot story

9:36

for 30 years. So instead

9:39

of doing the howls and stuff like they do on

9:41

TV, you know, I remember seeing

9:43

a couple of guys like slap flip flops

9:45

or so I decided to

9:47

try clapping. So I

9:49

clapped twice and we

9:52

walked downhill for about a mile and I clapped

9:54

along the way. Nothing happened. Well, finally I look

9:57

up and there's a bluff.

10:00

I thought that'd be a perfect spot for a Bigfoot.

10:02

I'm going to walk up there and see what's up

10:04

there, what they can see, you know, if it's a

10:06

good spot to watch people. So

10:10

as I start to walk up, I take

10:12

two steps and then faster than I can

10:15

clap and louder it sounded like

10:17

two catchers and it slammed together twice, which

10:20

was how many claps I was doing. So

10:22

it was bam bam, froze

10:25

me in my tracks. I

10:28

turned and look at my friend, she's got tears in

10:30

her eyes and

10:32

I said, you realize it

10:34

takes hands to clap, right? And she's like,

10:36

yeah, I'm ready to go home. So

10:40

we start back up the hill and

10:43

as we are walking, all

10:46

of a sudden we started to get like little tree

10:48

knocks here and then all of a sudden

10:50

off and they were behind

10:52

us, but then within a

10:54

few hundred feet, all of a

10:57

sudden we hear a whoop to our left. So they were

10:59

beside us. And then about halfway

11:01

to the truck, which would have been a half a

11:03

mile, the gate

11:05

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11:08

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12:49

the closer we get to the truck the more loops

12:52

we hear I turn around just in

12:54

time to see a massive

12:56

black shadow jump behind

12:58

the tree. My

13:01

friend's freaking out at this point so I'm not about to

13:03

tell her but I

13:05

took a picture and I got about

13:07

half of the shadow as it was moving

13:11

and needless to say she wasn't

13:13

walking fast enough for me at that point so I

13:15

kind of hurried around and so

13:18

we left and it took me

13:20

about six months before

13:22

I decided that yeah all right

13:24

like I kind of half saw one we

13:27

definitely heard them now

13:29

I want to go back and see how far I can push it. So

13:34

then I started going

13:36

out to the same area but now it's

13:38

springtime and

13:41

I would find tracks and

13:43

at one point I

13:46

started leaving peanut butter out jars

13:48

of peanut butter and

13:53

the jars were starting

13:55

to disappear and

13:58

then a few days later I

14:00

would go back. And

14:02

a lot of the jars you would find them chewed

14:04

up like a raccoon or something like that would kind

14:06

of destroy the jar. But

14:10

also more than 50%

14:12

of them, you would

14:14

find just the jar completely lit clean and no

14:18

scratches on it. You'd find the

14:20

lid within a few feet of

14:23

it, no scratches on the

14:25

lid. And I

14:27

couldn't even watch the peanut butter jar that clean with,

14:31

you know, I put it in the dishwasher and couldn't

14:33

get it that clean. And then I would also find

14:35

the jars with the lid screwed back on. So

14:38

those were definitely the more interesting ones and you would

14:40

find 17 inch tracks next to

14:44

them. You know

14:46

also found 23 inch tracks out there.

14:49

And one day while I was walking, I kept

14:53

seeing the stump. It

14:57

was reddish brown and would catch my eye. And

15:00

I thought, I don't know what it is about

15:02

that stump. It's something bugging me about it. So

15:06

I turned to take a picture of the stump. As soon as I

15:09

brought my phone up, the stump stood up.

15:13

And a big reddish brown

15:15

looked like the stump that turned my tattoo on

15:17

and it got wet. That's the color of it.

15:21

It was only about five foot tall, but

15:23

I had to be close to three feet or

15:26

more across the shoulders. And

15:31

it just turned around and jumped off the block. So

15:35

it scared the heck out of me at that point because

15:37

I wasn't expecting the stump to stand up. And

15:42

then I began finding I

15:44

would start putting popsicle sticks under

15:47

the peanut butter jars and I would

15:49

start bungee-cordin' the peanut butter jars to the

15:51

popsicle sticks to the treelons so that I

15:53

knew it would take quite a bit

15:55

of effort for something to Take

15:59

the jar. Come back and find

16:01

the bungee cord still wrapped around the tree, the

16:03

peanut butter jar gone, and I had colored popsicle

16:05

sticks that would be laid out on the ground.

16:07

Recordings: color. So.

16:10

They were actually sorted. Then.

16:12

You would still fighting. One

16:14

place on atomic the couple Twenty Three and

16:17

his tracks that were walking away from the

16:19

Athena Budgetary towards. Some. Trees

16:21

where the retrieve a break and three

16:23

twists. And

16:27

then one day. I decided

16:29

that was put in peanut butter out from

16:31

the first. Concern for

16:33

first spot sorry. Ahead.

16:39

And of you cream soda and mustard

16:41

on my truck bumpers. And

16:45

go to put something about around us. I

16:47

want to try Some difference to the clap

16:49

a nominal jingle, my teeth. So.

16:52

I rattled my keys really loud and

16:54

also neither catch catch Bang bang bang

16:57

bang bang. I'm. Like

16:59

what the heck, are run out to my

17:01

truck just inside and to see those same

17:03

read shoulders go off. The. Bluff toward

17:06

Lake Michigan. And

17:08

go and look around my truck and her

17:10

seventeen his tracks around it is. Some.

17:13

Taken pictures but I'm looking around and

17:15

I'm like what something is missing. And

17:18

was my cream soda. So

17:21

whatever that was has some and grab my

17:23

pop and turn around and jumped off the

17:25

bluff with of my most history because a

17:27

Jingle Dickey's said have Club in which took

17:29

it out of the pattern. Is

17:32

continued on for a year.

17:36

And at that point. We.

17:38

I had an experience with the same friends

17:40

who went was me the first time. Where

17:43

we decided to take a late night a ride

17:45

out there. And I

17:48

saw to track soon so that

17:50

was. Next to

17:52

on to dear tracks that were running up.

17:55

And the tude tracks were in. There were

17:57

twenty three inches. and

17:59

I didn't measure the stride, but it was at

18:02

least five foot. And

18:04

there were only two going up the hill. And

18:07

there was no snow kick or anything. They

18:09

were just two tracks. And

18:13

she looked at me, and I looked at her,

18:15

and I'm like, OK, let's go see what we

18:17

can find her here, if anything. So

18:20

we turned the truck lights off. I grabbed a flashlight.

18:23

I said, let's go in the dark first. So

18:26

we start walking up the hill, and you can

18:28

hear crunching here and there on the left and

18:31

right, but nothing that couldn't have been explained as

18:33

a rabbit or a squirrel

18:36

or whatever at that time. This

18:38

was winter. This was just after New Year's.

18:41

So we're in January. And

18:46

as we topped the hill, we hear

18:50

a big tree snap. And

18:53

she goes, OK, time for a light. So

18:55

I turn the light on. And

18:58

as soon as I turn the light on with it in

19:00

front of us, it is

19:02

the great big reddish brown one. And

19:05

he brings his arms right at the edge of

19:07

the flashlight, but he brings his left arm up,

19:09

covers his eyes from the light. I

19:13

turn around, and he's massive.

19:17

He was probably two feet taller than the last time I

19:19

had seen him. And

19:22

I'm six foot tall, and at the time I was 290,

19:25

and his shoulders were easily as twice as wide as

19:27

mine. When he brought

19:29

his arm up, you could see the reddish brown hair,

19:31

it was three to four inches hanging down. And

19:35

the big chest on him, I don't

19:39

want to say it was groomed, but it

19:41

was clean reddish

19:44

brown fur hair that was hanging down

19:46

all over the body. And

19:49

as I turned, I put my truck keys in

19:51

my friend's hand and told her, go. And

19:55

if I'm not in that truck 30 seconds behind you,

19:57

you go. So

20:00

we start basically

20:02

trying to run as quick as we can through

20:04

the snow. You know, she was 105 pounds

20:06

at the time. She

20:08

had stage four lung cancer and

20:13

she wasn't running quick enough for me. So I'm kind of

20:15

picking her up and pushing her along. And

20:18

the Sasquatch is walking behind

20:20

us. It's not running. It's

20:23

in the back of my mind. I knew it wasn't going to get

20:25

us, but at the same time, it was, you know, very frightening, like

20:27

we did something wrong. If we don't get out here, we're going to

20:29

be in really big trouble. So

20:32

you can hear the. And

20:36

I'm pushing her. And as we finally get to the

20:39

truck, throw the door open, I throw her in the

20:41

truck. I should say push,

20:43

you know, shove her in and

20:45

my feet hit the bottom and ice

20:48

covered road, I fall underneath the truck. I'm

20:51

trying to scurry out and I can start hearing

20:53

tree breaks and stuff behind me. And

20:56

then my truck starts while I'm underneath the truck. So

20:58

I'm not sure what's going to happen first. Either, you

21:00

know, I'm going to get dragged out or

21:03

I'm going to turn around and get squished

21:05

by my own truck. Luckily, I was able to shimmy

21:08

my way out from under the truck, get in the truck. And we

21:10

left that night. So

21:14

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21:16

harrowing experiences that, uh,

21:21

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21:23

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21:26

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21:30

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21:32

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21:35

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21:37

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plus. So kept going back and

23:22

kept getting results with the peanut butter,

23:24

kept finding tracks. We would get responses

23:28

to knocks. And one

23:30

night I put a recorder out. And as I'm

23:32

putting the recorder out, you

23:35

can actually hear on the recorder, I was taping

23:38

it to a random street sign that

23:40

was on that two track. And

23:43

all of a sudden you hear a bang. And

23:45

I'm like, oh, crap. And I'm

23:47

like, you know, on the recorder because a

23:49

rock had hit that sign while I was

23:52

taping it. And

23:54

as I continued to tape it, four more rocks continued

23:56

to hit the sign. So

23:59

I knew I needed to. leave and leave quick. I

24:02

came back the next morning and got the recorder

24:04

and there was a 23 inch

24:06

track right next to the recorder. So as

24:09

I'm listening to this, you

24:12

can hear sticks breaking and banging

24:14

going on from 11 till about

24:17

2 30 in the morning. And

24:19

you can even hear a little bit

24:21

of the samurai chatter that you hear about

24:23

the wall. And it was

24:25

2 or 3 different individuals. You know,

24:28

I got about 20 minutes of that. And

24:31

then right at the end, when

24:34

the activity stopped, you can hear something

24:36

crunching through the snow and then something

24:38

scratches the top of my microphone on the

24:40

recorder. So I

24:44

knew they were still interacting.

24:48

And then at some point, I

24:52

got sick. And

24:54

this is where when

24:56

people tell you not to feed them this, this is

24:58

why. I

25:03

got sick, I missed three weeks.

25:07

And when I went back, I,

25:09

you know,

25:11

started feeding again. And

25:13

then about a week later, the Michigan

25:16

Department of Natural Resources got

25:19

ahold of a friend of mine who

25:21

had gone with me and had me

25:25

call them. So

25:27

I called. And I had

25:29

to talk to someone who was an hour and a half

25:31

away, which was bizarre, because we have somebody who's 10 minutes

25:35

from where I go. I don't know

25:37

why they needed to talk

25:40

to somebody that was so far away. But

25:43

what had happened was while

25:46

I was sick, where the

25:48

DNR conversation first went like this, the

25:50

fact that the

25:53

wildlife was getting, you know, the

25:55

peanut butter jars were being spread. And the

25:58

wildlife was getting too close to the house. They

26:00

don't want, bears were coming out of hibernation. They

26:02

didn't want the bears bothering

26:04

the people at the houses. And

26:09

I'm like, bears? And she's like,

26:11

yep, you know, the bears are the issue. And

26:15

that's when I asked her if the conversation was

26:17

recorded. She said, no. And

26:19

I said, in the two and a half years I had been

26:22

there, I had never seen a

26:24

bear track, bear scat, a bear or

26:26

claw mark. And bears

26:28

don't clap at me, howl at

26:30

me, or throw rocks at my truck, or leave

26:32

23 inch prints. And

26:37

she didn't say anything. And

26:39

then she goes, well, I would like to

26:41

see all your trail cans. And

26:45

I didn't have any, and she wanted pictures on the

26:47

phone, and I refused the pictures on

26:49

the phone. I

26:52

go back up to next week because the stipulations were

26:54

just to get everything cleaned up, and there wouldn't be

26:57

any further issues with me as far as, as long

26:59

as I didn't feed the bears. One

27:02

of the neighbors that I was friends with came

27:04

out while I was looking for stuff and explained

27:06

what had happened was the second

27:09

week I missed, their

27:12

motion lights started going off. And

27:16

this goes on for a couple nights, and they

27:18

finally start reviewing the footage and

27:20

find out that it's empty

27:23

peanut butter jars being thrown into the yard,

27:25

and setting the motion lights off. So

27:30

something was taking

27:32

those peanut butter jars, and I

27:36

don't know where they got so many of them, because they

27:38

picked up quite a dozen or so, and

27:43

that was what was setting the motion

27:45

lights off. And then a week after that, and this

27:47

is where I

27:49

feel horrible, because apparently

27:51

the big male started

27:53

peeking in the windows of another neighbor. It

28:00

peaked in the window of his, I believe she

28:02

was five at the time, a second story window

28:04

and they had a swatch

28:07

peeking in their window. So

28:11

now I understood why the

28:13

DNR got involved and I quit the gifting. Immediately

28:17

I went to do another things as far

28:19

as not feeding them, but I

28:21

would still see them. You know, little glimpses

28:23

here and there, take pictures if I heard a knock.

28:27

Um, luckily

28:29

it's things didn't go worse. You know,

28:31

I've got pictures

28:34

where I took and because

28:36

I had seen something black down and it

28:39

was standing still and I couldn't use to

28:41

move no matter what, knock, clap, move, left,

28:43

right. Took a picture

28:45

of it and then blew

28:47

it up and you can see the head peeking around

28:49

the tree. You could see an arm hugging

28:52

the tree and then off to the left, you

28:54

can see a smaller one who's flatted down behind

28:56

the trees, kind of with

28:59

the tree between its knees. So I think the reason it

29:01

moved because it was a juvenile with them. And

29:09

so now I tried new experiments with them. You

29:12

know, I do things like you

29:15

hear about them being interested in crystals.

29:17

So I started doing different

29:19

color crystals with white, red and blue

29:21

and four different piles

29:24

in different spots. And all of

29:26

a sudden the blue ones would disappear and that would be it. Put

29:29

the blue ones back and then the blue ones disappear in

29:31

another week. Well,

29:34

I decided they're going to be doing workout

29:37

in that area. So I think the area is going

29:39

to die down. So a friend and I talked about

29:41

a new area and

29:44

this was along the Manistee River and this

29:48

happened on March

29:50

23rd. Now in the time that

29:53

I've been doing this over the last four years,

29:57

I found out the hard way that I don't like

29:59

to do call blasts. things because the one

30:01

time I played the Ohio Howl, a little

30:05

famous one for finding Bigfoot, I

30:08

played it three times and then

30:10

I really called

30:12

it a big branch or a small log, came

30:15

flying through the trees across the parking lot and

30:17

hit my truck hard enough I thought it blew

30:19

the back window out. So

30:23

I never did any more call blasts and the

30:25

more I listen to people the more it sounds

30:27

like that's actually

30:29

kind of like a challenge to that helpful

30:31

male when you do that

30:33

it's a pretty aggressive howl. So

30:37

my friend and I go to this new area on the Manistee

30:39

River on March 23rd.

30:42

The first thing he does

30:44

when we get out of the car is does

30:46

an Ohio Howl. I was so mad because

30:48

I'm like you idiot you know there were

30:50

reports out of this place and they weren't friendly

30:53

to begin with they were throwing rocks at

30:55

fishermen in the boats at night and things

30:57

like that. And

30:59

sure enough we got a

31:01

howl back. So

31:04

we decided to start walking and

31:07

as we're walking along the ridge

31:09

it's a high ridge you know it's

31:11

a couple hundred feet down to the Manistee River where we're

31:13

at so we were up on a ridge and

31:16

we start to come along some X's and

31:18

other signs we find a hieroglyph

31:21

on the ground

31:23

out of the six. There's

31:26

was too much dead leaf off to really

31:29

be finding prints but you could see you

31:31

know little impressions and

31:34

along the way we would do you know

31:36

I've got one of those short bats for

31:38

Bigfoot and axe and

31:41

he did a knock and

31:43

then we got a response back

31:46

from down in the like

31:49

little ravine at the bottom of the

31:51

hill by the river. And

31:55

so we kind of stopped and listened and he

31:58

did another knock we got another knock back. And

32:00

I've got a recorder going the whole time. I got

32:02

that decided to Once

32:04

I leave the car. I have a recorder going just for

32:06

it things like this and All

32:10

of a sudden we keep walking and as we

32:13

get closer than knocking is more frequent, but it's

32:15

not moving anywhere So

32:17

I'm thinking Because

32:20

it was bang bang

32:24

at first and then

32:26

started bang bang and I got

32:28

more Almost

32:30

sounding urgent. So I'm thinking woodpecker at

32:33

first Because

32:36

it got Pretty

32:40

rapid knocks and he would do them back and it

32:42

would answer and then

32:45

as we walk He

32:49

looks down to the left and

32:52

in an area where there's several

32:55

trees down And

32:57

it's really bizarre because they're in like a triangle

33:00

But they're stacked on top of

33:02

one another three high laying lengthwise.

33:05

So it looks like a guy in playpen and

33:10

After we get another wicked rap

33:13

success should some knocks He

33:17

does it back well, then we all of a sudden from

33:19

nowhere we get One way off

33:21

to the left and one way off to the right

33:23

that answered so We're

33:25

like what is that and he looks

33:28

down he's like, oh man, I'm like what and

33:30

he goes there's a baby down there I'm

33:33

like baby. What? Any baby

33:35

squatch? I just saw him and he's a brown one. You

33:37

know, he He

33:39

ducked word We're like

33:41

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33:45

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33:47

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33:50

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then we hear yell coming from

35:44

that same direction. And then down in the valley,

35:46

a couple more knocks answer. And

35:50

then as we're... I'm watching the big object.

35:53

He's watching, looking

35:56

for the baby, trying to get a picture of it. I

35:59

see another black object. It was a little

36:01

bit taller but much thinner. And

36:05

it looks a

36:08

lot like Patty, the Patterson-Giblin big

36:10

flip from what I could see

36:13

because you could see the eyebrows and how they

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were furrowed and just look

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really, really mad. Like,

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I mean, almost like a cartoon

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character, those eyebrows were so

36:28

exaggerated, narrowed down, looking

36:31

really annoyed. And

36:34

that's when I told my friend, look,

36:36

look, look, he's mad. He's mad.

36:39

We're in trouble. He's mad. And

36:42

he's like, oh, yep, parents are here. We're in trouble.

36:46

And so he starts taking pictures. And

36:52

while he's taking pictures, we

36:54

get a yellow and then we get

36:56

a really bad growl. Like it

36:59

was a very aggressive roar. It's

37:03

like, okay, we better go

37:05

before we become statistics at this point. So

37:10

he takes one more

37:12

last film and then we

37:15

start walking. And by the

37:17

time we were kind of watching over our shoulder at the

37:19

same time and he

37:22

looked back and he's like, uh-oh, I'm like, what? And

37:24

he says, you're closer. And I turned around and looked

37:26

and sure enough, I could see that big black mask.

37:28

And I had one that closed the

37:30

gap from a hundred yards to within 50

37:32

in just a matter of

37:34

a few seconds without making much noise at all. And

37:39

then off to the right, we could

37:41

see a smaller brown one. So

37:46

you could just see the human type

37:48

shape, you know, moving back

37:50

and forth in the tree line. You

37:52

couldn't get a real good look

37:54

at that one. But as we're walking

37:58

and looking back. You

38:01

know, I get glimpses of the... He

38:04

was not as tall as the one I

38:06

saw in 87, but he looked

38:09

thicker. That black

38:11

hair would just glisten in the sun. And

38:15

he looked every

38:17

bit 800 pounds. I mean, he

38:19

was just massive. The

38:22

arms on his thing looked like they were as big as

38:24

my chest when I could see them. You know, I saw

38:26

the right one, a good

38:28

clear shot, you know, hand

38:31

down to the knee. And just

38:34

the way they can move

38:36

so quick and so quietly though.

38:38

The only sounds we were hearing

38:40

were the aggressive, you know, screaming

38:42

at us. And then

38:45

you would get the growl. That would happen when

38:47

we would stop. That was... it seemed like to

38:49

be their way of saying, you better get

38:51

going. So

38:54

as we walked, they closed the gap with the

38:56

30 yards and then they kind of paced

38:58

us out from

39:00

there. But the whole time, you know,

39:04

there were... and there were other calls

39:07

being answered from even farther away.

39:09

So we knew there were more

39:11

coming. You know, we could

39:13

see three. We knew there was a baby down in

39:15

the ditch, valley, whatever you

39:17

want to call it. And

39:21

more on the way. So we're

39:24

pushing 5 o'clock

39:26

now. So it's starting to get later in the

39:28

day. There's nobody else out

39:30

there. And we

39:34

finally make it to the parking lot. Things, you know,

39:36

kind of quit for a little bit. And

39:39

I turned my recorder off, put

39:42

it in. So I'm thinking we're going to leave. And he's like, oh, I got

39:44

a friend. We got to call him. I got to tell him all the rest

39:46

of my mind. So

39:48

he makes a phone call. And

39:52

then as he's talking on the phone, also when you hear

39:54

a crack and

39:56

look up and the same

39:59

three squatches. are still right in the

40:01

tree line. They're 40 yards from us. They

40:03

hadn't gone anywhere yet. They were apparently going

40:05

to make sure we were going to leave.

40:07

And you could

40:09

see the taller black one dart back and forth. You

40:11

could see the shorter brown one back and forth. The

40:14

bigger one just stood still. Maybe

40:17

he was the alpha. Like,

40:20

I'm here. You need to go.

40:22

I'm not going anywhere until you do. He's

40:25

talking on the phone another 15 minutes and the

40:28

whole time they're back, they're making noise and starting

40:32

around. And

40:34

finally, it's like, I

40:36

told them, I said, you know, we're getting close to dark.

40:38

We need to go. You need to end that phone call

40:40

because I'm out of here. I said, and then there's not two

40:43

of us. There's only going to be one. Okay,

40:46

okay, okay. So we end the

40:48

phone call. As soon

40:51

as we start putting the rest of our stuff in

40:53

the car, I'm guessing they either

40:57

just stopped to make sure what we were doing

40:59

or they did leave because everything

41:01

died off. Talk for

41:03

a few more minutes. But

41:06

then the interesting thing was on the way out

41:09

was as I'm driving, we

41:11

looked for everything we could

41:14

driving in. So stick structures,

41:16

you know, broken trees, TPs,

41:18

Xs, you name what we were

41:20

looking for. And someplace, just

41:24

maybe 100 yards down that two track, about

41:29

a four foot, I

41:31

want to say stick, but it was probably six

41:34

inches in diameter, four

41:36

foot long, got put

41:38

in the trees about nine feet up, and it

41:40

was perfectly horizontal.

41:44

And there were no other trees before that to

41:46

fall from. So

41:49

it was placed there while we

41:52

were in the woods or as we were getting ready to leave. And

41:57

I asked a few friends about it. it

42:00

and they told me and they said I took it the

42:02

same way right out the bat I'm like this is this

42:04

is a warning so

42:07

I asked them they're like yeah that's a warning they said

42:09

we know how big you are this is how big we

42:11

are and if you come back you're going to be next

42:13

in the tree so

42:17

I haven't been back

42:19

yet I'm not not

42:21

that brave yet I'm hoping if I

42:24

go back and apologize for my friend

42:26

you know because I think that's what

42:28

triggered it was doing that aggressive hole right

42:30

off the bat well if we

42:32

were to win in with a little more respect for what was

42:35

going on instead of saying hey I'm the alpha and I'm here

42:37

to do whatever I want there's

42:39

nothing you can do about it in the Bigfoot scene

42:41

oh yeah well here I come I

42:44

think things could win a lot different wow

42:47

what an experience I can

42:49

only imagine how difficult it must have been heading

42:51

back into the woods the next time after that

42:54

not easy yeah that one

42:56

was a crazy one because

42:58

the report was what

43:02

took us well I'd heard about that

43:04

place like 20 years ago when

43:07

my mom owned a bar down there but it was a

43:09

drunk guy talking about the fact that he had uh pigs

43:12

and cows and

43:15

some other farm animals which he did but he liked

43:17

to get liquored up and

43:20

as she was at the bar

43:22

doing his normal thing he's like yeah he says

43:25

last night took a shot at a bigfoot

43:27

and I'm like what he's

43:29

like yep yep he said you

43:32

know I'm sitting there I was out bird hunting that

43:34

day and I'm waiting and all of a sudden I

43:36

can hear a commotion out in my pig

43:38

pen I go out and look he said there's

43:40

a great big here at Sasquatch with

43:43

a pig under each arm stepping over my fence

43:45

he says you know so I grabbed the shotgun

43:48

but I only got bird shot and then start

43:50

shooting and he says yelling all

43:53

kinds of things that I'm like drop the pigs and

43:55

come get my wife please I'd walk the pigs not

43:57

there so But

44:01

that was 20-some years ago. The report that

44:03

took us out there was about a couple

44:06

of fishermen who were off a

44:09

little, I won't call it

44:11

an island, a mound in the middle of the river. Maybe

44:13

you call it an island. But

44:16

it was midnight and they were there fishing and all

44:18

of a sudden a rock got thrown. They thought maybe

44:20

it was a beaver tail so they didn't move. Well

44:23

then a bigger rock got thrown and

44:26

so that

44:28

got their attention and they were

44:31

kind of pulling their gear and all of a

44:33

sudden something howled at them from the woods. So

44:37

that, they turned around and filed a

44:39

report about it. That's

44:42

what got us out there. Makes

44:44

you wonder if that actually happened or not. If

44:47

he was that much of a drunk he might have

44:49

imagined that or might have just been

44:51

making that up, it's hard to say. Yeah

44:54

exactly, that was what, 20-some years

44:56

ago that's what I said the same thing. I'm

44:59

like, oh boy, here we go. Yeah,

45:02

I can understand why. You

45:04

know, like you said, a little liquor and

45:06

you can tell some tall tales. Oh

45:09

sure, yeah, no doubt. Growing

45:11

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45:14

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45:16

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here's the effects that it had on his

47:00

career was a sheriff named Zane Gray who

47:02

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47:06

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47:09

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47:12

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47:14

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47:16

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47:20

the next election the

47:24

opposition turned around and used that against him

47:26

declaring him he's insane. Look he saw a

47:28

big flood and

47:30

one of the most popular

47:32

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47:34

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47:36

he was crazy for seeing a big flood. You

47:39

know and you have to deal with things like

47:42

that. It's understandable why people would stay quiet. It's

47:44

a shame it has to be that way. Yeah I

47:46

mean my aunt had

47:48

one that was in

47:51

the...trying to think it was late 80s or

47:53

early 90s and

47:57

the girls got ridiculed for because What

48:00

happened was they

48:02

were getting chickens missing. Then

48:06

one night they heard a huge commotion and they go

48:08

out. There

48:10

were tracks leading into the chicken coop. I

48:13

think it was the dog that scared

48:16

the mid-foot. He literally went

48:18

through the coop, the other

48:20

side of the wooden coop. He

48:22

blew the whole side out. There

48:26

were 17-inch tracks. Those got cast.

48:29

Not only was the county sheriffs involved, but

48:31

the state police and the Michigan DNR and

48:35

the record patriot, or the record eagle, which is

48:37

the big paper around here. I

48:41

remember the girls got teased relentlessly after that, even

48:43

though they had all that evidence. Like

48:46

I said, it really is a shame. Here

48:48

you have an experience like that and

48:51

instead of support, people ridicule you. That's

48:53

awful. Yeah, the

48:55

history of this loss because nobody wanted

48:57

to talk about it. And

49:00

for good reason. And like I

49:02

said, what a shame. Yeah,

49:04

that's why I sat on it. I saw

49:07

what happened to people. I can't

49:10

say I blame you there. In

49:12

87 when you were coming around that

49:14

corner and saw your first Sasquatch, did

49:16

you feel more excitement or fear? I

49:20

would have to say just shock. I

49:25

wasn't afraid until I went to hit that horn. And

49:29

then it was whatever went through my

49:31

head. That's

49:34

what when

49:36

I went, oh crap, if I hit this horn,

49:38

I'm in trouble. Sure

49:40

does make you wonder if maybe you're picking

49:42

up something off of what it was actually

49:44

thinking or not. Or if maybe you were

49:47

just imagining that that's what

49:49

the case was. They

49:51

talk about mind speak. I

49:56

don't see why not. there's

50:01

when there's so many experiences

50:04

of people who don't know each other or

50:07

and you know a lot of it's even before

50:09

the internet you know

50:11

there's got to be something to it somehow maybe

50:14

it was while you staring at me he's like

50:16

you know sometimes people can give you a look

50:18

like you know okay maybe I shouldn't say anything

50:20

about this if

50:22

that was mine speaking he was

50:24

having those thoughts if you honk that horn

50:26

then I'm gonna get you thank goodness you

50:28

never honked the horn oh I

50:31

know he would have made short work of that el Camino

50:34

I'm sure he would have and

50:36

me I was only you know six

50:40

foot tall 165 pound teenager

50:44

and that's the thing too is even now you

50:47

know a lot of people considered me a bigger

50:49

guy you know I'm

50:51

running I've been weightlifting

50:53

since in 1984 I'm six foot

50:55

and about 285 but

50:58

when I look in the mirror I instantly

51:00

go back to 1987 I think I'll

51:03

dig that loss and think I am

51:05

in nowhere near big

51:07

in any sense of the word when it comes to nature

51:10

it's always kept me very humble you

51:13

see something that big it's gonna make you feel that

51:15

way when you heard what

51:17

sounded like two catcher's mitts lame together that

51:19

day you said your female friend wanted to

51:21

get the heck out of there but did

51:23

you want to leave too or did you

51:25

just want to appease her and that's why

51:27

you left no

51:30

that that scared me because I

51:32

was had total expectations of getting

51:34

skunked I had

51:37

no expectations I actually haven't an encounter

51:40

so when those two I mean the

51:44

catcher's mitts is the best analogy I can come

51:46

up with because

51:48

it was just a like I

51:51

clap fairly loud because I cut my hands so

51:55

I'm guessing that's what they did

51:58

to you but there I think the hands were so big It

52:00

just sounded almost like two low rumbles

52:02

of thunder, just two catchers. Thinking

52:06

back on what you heard that day,

52:08

can you see any possibility for someone

52:10

there to mistake that sound for a

52:12

tree knock? I

52:15

don't think so. This

52:18

sounded way different than wet on wood. But

52:22

there are people that

52:25

say that they are actually hitting the

52:27

trees with their hands, and that's why everything sounds

52:29

so consistent. I

52:32

don't know. There are sometimes when you

52:34

hit a home run, you just know that sound.

52:38

You hear that crack of the bat. You know that's

52:40

going a long way. There

52:44

are some knocks that are louder than others, and then

52:46

there's ones that just

52:50

sound off. So maybe that's when

52:52

they're making tongue pops or something. But

52:57

the noise I heard was definitely not a

53:00

tree knock, because we heard a tree knock

53:02

later. And that

53:04

was wet on wood. This sounded totally

53:06

different. That's the

53:08

reason why I asked that question. As

53:11

you know, a lot of people say

53:13

that those are just tongue clicks or

53:16

them clapping their hands or doing other

53:18

things instead of knocking against a tree

53:20

with a stick or something like that

53:22

to make that sound. So that's why

53:25

I asked you about that. It

53:28

took you six months to convince yourself that

53:30

you'd actually seen a Sasquatch that day. Why

53:33

did it take you so long to come to that

53:35

conclusion, Brian? It took

53:37

me that long to get my nerve back up to go back out there,

53:40

because now I know it's out there. So

53:43

it's like, do I really want

53:45

to push this? I

53:48

already confirmed that what I saw

53:50

was, in fact, Bigfoot.

53:53

It was real in 1987. It

53:55

wasn't just some ten-second dream. It

54:01

took me a little time to get the nerve up. You

54:04

always hear all the good, you know, the

54:08

TV show, you know, they won't hurt you, they won't

54:10

do this, but then you start reading the reports where

54:12

to me it would be like any other animal where

54:14

you're going to have even a good one on a

54:17

bad day could do a lot of damage. You

54:21

know, I think they're definitely like people in

54:23

the fact that they got moods.

54:25

There's good ones, there's bad ones, there's ones

54:27

in between that, well, if you

54:30

have an a good day things are going to go great

54:32

because there have been days where I've gone out to that

54:34

area and its interactions

54:38

galore. You know, when

54:41

I say that, I mean like four or five knocks and maybe

54:43

a whoop. It's not like

54:45

it's hours and hours of entertainment, but

54:48

it's quite a bit interaction. Then there's other

54:50

days where I've gone out there, especially at

54:52

night. You know, there's

54:54

been at least four different times I've drove out there at

54:56

night and

55:00

parked and when something deep

55:02

inside me is like don't get out of the car.

55:06

And this is a place I'll go to for hours during

55:09

the day, no problem. There's times I've gone at night for

55:11

hours, no problem, but there were at least four different times

55:13

where I can remember driving out there, even

55:16

driving back on the road, being a little hesitant

55:18

and then park and it's like, don't

55:21

do it. So I'm in my head like don't get out of

55:23

the car. So

55:25

as a matter of fact, that happened last

55:29

Saturday night and I got out of

55:31

the car anyway. I decided

55:33

to be brave because it was just before dark. And

55:37

now I can't say this was Bigfoot, but

55:40

it's in the same area that I've been

55:42

having all these interactions with. And

55:46

I walked down maybe

55:48

a quarter mile to pass, completely

55:51

silent, things were okay.

55:55

And then I did two knocks and

55:57

you could just feel the atmosphere change. It

56:01

went from being okay to okay, I need

56:03

to leave. You

56:05

know, the hair was up on the back of my neck. I

56:08

felt like I was being watched from everywhere.

56:11

It was one of the creepier nights that I've

56:13

been out there. And

56:16

I get back to my car. Things

56:18

are okay. Where I

56:20

park, there are three motion lights and it takes a little

56:22

bit to set them off because they've got them fairly high

56:24

up on the trees. And

56:27

I get about 50 feet away and also

56:30

the motion light goes off. They

56:32

don't even go off when I drove in. They don't go off until I

56:34

get out of the car or get in the car. But

56:38

now I'm getting 50 feet, 100 feet away and I

56:41

see the motion lights go off or go on. And

56:43

I'm like, what the heck? So

56:45

I park and I'm

56:47

watching and I watch a couple minutes and the motion lights

56:49

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56:53

on for a little bit and go off and

56:55

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57:06

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57:09

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57:11

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57:14

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59:26

maybe a three inch circle on

59:28

the side of my car. So it

59:31

looks like it got hit with a rock or a clump of dirt

59:33

or something. So

59:37

something was encouraging me to leave at that point because

59:39

I was parked. There's no way I ran over a

59:41

stick and it just randomly popped up and hit my

59:43

car. So watching

59:46

those motion lights go off was like,

59:48

yeah, something's walking around up there, but

59:50

I can't tell you for sure. It

59:52

wasn't a deer, but you know,

59:55

something had to throw something. What

59:59

do you think? Maybe a deer? Yeah. Nope.

1:00:03

I think it was just one of those nights

1:00:05

where they didn't want me out there, not interacting

1:00:07

with me anyway. If they

1:00:10

don't want you around, they let you know it. Definitely

1:00:13

in stages. They

1:00:15

escalate it till you do leave. That

1:00:18

they do. Speaking of

1:00:20

that mark that you found on your car when

1:00:22

you parked under the street light, was

1:00:24

it a dent in your car or just

1:00:26

a mark from dirt or mud or something

1:00:28

like that? There's a

1:00:30

small dent, but for

1:00:34

as big as the circle is, I

1:00:36

almost think it was more like a lot

1:00:39

of mud or something. Because

1:00:43

as hard as it sounded

1:00:45

like it hit, I thought for sure

1:00:47

there's going to be a huge dent. But

1:00:52

just the circle was a lot bigger than just

1:00:54

a little dip in the door. Barely even noticeable.

1:00:57

If you wash it, you probably barely see it

1:00:59

unless you're looking for it. It's

1:01:01

not very noticeable, but I'm so sorry they

1:01:03

did that still. That's not good. No, that

1:01:06

was definitely, I knew it was a hint to leave.

1:01:08

Because like I said, when I did that Ohio Howl

1:01:11

and they chucked that pretty

1:01:13

good size branch or small

1:01:16

log, whatever you want to call it, it hit my

1:01:18

truck. That

1:01:21

definitely was a calling

1:01:24

card not to do call

1:01:26

blasts anymore. And then those

1:01:30

smaller rocks that were chucked

1:01:32

at the sign. So they

1:01:34

definitely let you know when they don't want

1:01:36

you around. Yes, they do. I'm

1:01:39

so glad you're taking the hint. The

1:01:42

day you tried to take a picture of the stump

1:01:44

that stood up, you said that that

1:01:46

stump happened to have shoulders that were about

1:01:48

three feet wide, even though the subject was

1:01:50

only five feet tall. Did

1:01:53

it look goofy being so wide compared to

1:01:55

its modest height? Yeah, it

1:01:58

did. It looked like I like a video game character. Because

1:02:02

you know you see a bump on top of it

1:02:07

like there was no neck like to trying to

1:02:11

think of a good way to describe it half

1:02:14

a head on top of shoulders

1:02:16

is what I think it was just a you

1:02:19

know that maybe the tree fell and broke

1:02:21

and was just funny looking

1:02:24

but just the way the

1:02:26

sun had it kept making me look at it different and

1:02:28

then when it stood up and it was that wide I'm

1:02:30

like what the heck because it was a wider than I

1:02:32

was and I was a foot taller Wow

1:02:34

sure makes you wonder what that dude's gonna look like

1:02:37

when he's full grown I

1:02:39

know he's we he was two feet taller when

1:02:42

I'm sure it was the same one at least it

1:02:44

was the exact same color the

1:02:46

night that my friend and I

1:02:49

hit it with the flashlight so

1:02:52

he put on a couple feet and was definitely a

1:02:54

broader thoughts of a

1:02:56

10 foot tall 20 foot wide Sasquatch come

1:02:59

to mind yeah

1:03:01

almost before

1:03:03

you got sick and were contacted by the DNR

1:03:06

did you have any misgivings about putting out the

1:03:08

peanut butter for them the way you did I'd

1:03:12

been warned about it but in

1:03:15

typical fashion

1:03:17

I guess I was a little arrogant about it

1:03:19

thinking I could control the situation and

1:03:22

that if anything happened it would be to me I

1:03:25

didn't think anything would you

1:03:29

know I put

1:03:32

them on a level that okay

1:03:34

there they know it's me giving them the food

1:03:38

so if anything happens they're just gonna want to

1:03:40

deal with me they're not gonna take it out

1:03:42

on anybody else but

1:03:45

obviously that wasn't the

1:03:48

case they figured you know

1:03:50

whether they figured because

1:03:54

like I said the one who

1:03:56

had the peanut butter jars thrown in the yard

1:03:58

they and I were okay with each other, they

1:04:00

knew what I was doing. The

1:04:03

person who had the one peeking in the window, uh,

1:04:05

we don't get along because of what I was doing.

1:04:10

So I never

1:04:12

dreamed it would affect

1:04:15

anybody else but me. Well,

1:04:17

thank goodness. No one ever got hurt. Well,

1:04:21

that, you know, physically, you know, mentally, who

1:04:23

knows how many nightmares if that girl still

1:04:25

has them or will have them or, you

1:04:30

know, I, I got into personal training

1:04:32

and I stayed into it because I

1:04:34

enjoy helping people. Um,

1:04:38

you know, I love being able to

1:04:40

help people achieve goals and do things

1:04:42

they haven't done. And

1:04:44

even though I'm retired because of the disability,

1:04:47

I still like giving

1:04:49

advice to young kids. Um,

1:04:53

you know, my girlfriend has MS. I'm

1:04:55

a, I'm a caregiver 19 hours a day and

1:04:59

she's bed bound and I don't

1:05:02

regret any of it. It's, you

1:05:05

know, to me, being a

1:05:07

good person is helping out there. So

1:05:10

the fact that my actions cause

1:05:12

that little girl to have, we

1:05:16

don't speak. So I don't know if everything's

1:05:18

okay. No,

1:05:21

I hope it is, but

1:05:24

the very thought of causing

1:05:26

trauma to somebody else, even just those few

1:05:28

nights that the peanut butter jars were being

1:05:30

thrown and emotionally torn off. I mean, that

1:05:33

scared those people. That's my

1:05:35

fault. You

1:05:38

know, I caused that. That was a result of my

1:05:40

actions that people warned me about. And I

1:05:44

won't definitely won't do it again. Even

1:05:47

if I had my own property, I'd be too worried that if

1:05:49

something happened and I sold the house, you

1:05:51

know, are you going to tell the people that buy your house? You got to

1:05:54

feed the big footer. They're going to start giving you trouble. So.

1:06:00

I definitely have

1:06:02

changed my stance on the whole feeding

1:06:04

room. At least she

1:06:06

wasn't actually harmed physically. I hate the idea

1:06:08

that she went through all that psychological torment

1:06:11

with that big guy looking in her second

1:06:13

story window. But it definitely could

1:06:15

have been worse. At least you know the air

1:06:17

in your ways now and you know not to

1:06:19

do it. So at least you're never

1:06:21

going to make that mistake again. When

1:06:24

you have that experience just after New Year's

1:06:26

with a friend from your first day encounter,

1:06:29

the experience frightened you to the point

1:06:31

where you carefully considered whether you wanted

1:06:33

to ever research Sasquatch again, you said.

1:06:36

What made you decide to get back on the horse

1:06:38

though? Because of

1:06:40

the fact, like I said, I should have known when

1:06:42

I saw the deer tracks. I

1:06:44

should have known it probably ran one down. I

1:06:46

didn't think it would be that close. But

1:06:50

again, to me it was my fault. I

1:06:53

followed those traps at night

1:06:56

and then I hit it and my face was... I

1:06:59

think it was a 2500-loon flashlight. So

1:07:03

I definitely light up the night with him. And

1:07:08

I had taken a picture before

1:07:10

I went up that hill and apparently there were

1:07:12

two other ones that somebody

1:07:14

lightened the picture and pointed out to me.

1:07:17

Bob Gagle did that. And

1:07:20

so I had actually walked... We had walked in

1:07:22

between them. You know

1:07:24

I found this after the fact obviously that we

1:07:27

had walked in between them. So if they were

1:07:29

aggressive, they would have just taken us out before

1:07:31

we even got up the hill. You

1:07:35

know, the aggression came because of the fact we were probably

1:07:38

walking up on dinner with the kids. And

1:07:43

again, I'm here to

1:07:45

tell the story. So they

1:07:48

let me get away. Or

1:07:50

even maybe to go as far as they wanted me

1:07:52

to get away. So

1:07:59

to me that... means

1:08:01

they really didn't want to hurt

1:08:04

me. So it'll be like okay I think

1:08:06

I can go back then because if they

1:08:08

don't want to hurt me at this point with

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everything that's happened even after that it should

1:08:13

be okay. Could you

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realize that they didn't want to hurt you because like you

1:08:17

said if they wanted to harm you they had

1:08:20

you dead right. What's

1:08:23

the main reason behind why you

1:08:25

do field research Brian personal discovery

1:08:27

or proving their existence to the

1:08:29

masses? Mine's all

1:08:31

personal and I

1:08:34

even call myself just an enthusiast because

1:08:37

I'm researching

1:08:40

to me as you're logging all that

1:08:42

data you know you've

1:08:44

got times and you've got places and

1:08:47

you've got GPS and you've got all

1:08:49

your intricate

1:08:51

details and all I've got pictures

1:08:54

and memories. I don't write anything

1:08:56

down you know for a long

1:08:58

time I considered Bigfoot an interest because interests

1:09:01

are free but now that you know

1:09:03

I bought a thermo and other stuff to do more

1:09:08

just for my own personal

1:09:11

interests now it's

1:09:13

a hobby because now hobbies cost money so but

1:09:17

I'm definitely just an enthusiast because I

1:09:19

don't write everything down. A friend did make

1:09:21

me a new app though and so maybe

1:09:24

we'll throw a researcher in there if

1:09:27

things continue because it actually tracks your

1:09:29

GPS and everything just by opening the

1:09:31

app. It's nice because you

1:09:33

can write the description it takes so that way if

1:09:35

you find something you can look through your app and

1:09:37

see if you've already found it it

1:09:40

lets you upload three pictures of it it's

1:09:43

got the different classifications as far as sighting

1:09:45

or sounds or

1:09:48

tree structures or prints. Yeah

1:09:51

I can see how that would be awfully

1:09:53

useful to have. Well it's about time for us

1:09:55

to get out of here Brian but before we do

1:09:57

if anyone's had a sighting that they'd like

1:09:59

to to you. How can I

1:10:01

do that? You can reach out to me

1:10:03

on Facebook just under Brian Barber.

1:10:06

I don't have a special account or anything. Just

1:10:09

an enthusiast that would love to hear those stories.

1:10:12

Would it be okay if I posted a link

1:10:14

to your profile, your Facebook profile, in the

1:10:16

description for tonight's show? Absolutely.

1:10:20

Okay, I'll do that then. That'll make it really

1:10:22

easy. Well, having said that,

1:10:24

Brian, I can't thank you enough for coming

1:10:26

on, sharing the details of all these experiences

1:10:28

with us. I really appreciate it. Thank

1:10:31

you, Vic, and thank you for all you do as far as

1:10:33

bringing attention to this topic and all

1:10:35

the other ones like Dog Man. You

1:10:38

give people a safe place to tell their stories. Oh,

1:10:41

you know, you're welcome. Yeah, I wouldn't have it any other way.

1:10:43

I feel blessed to be in a position

1:10:45

to do it. But thanks again

1:10:47

so much for your time, Brian, and have

1:10:49

a great night. Thank you. You

1:10:52

too. Thanks. We'll see ya. That's

1:11:01

it for another episode of Bigfoot

1:11:03

Eyewitness Radio with Vic Tunde. If

1:11:06

you've had a Sasquatch encounter and would

1:11:08

like to be a guest on the

1:11:10

show, please go to bigfooteyewitness.com and submit

1:11:12

a report. We'd love to hear

1:11:14

from you. Thanks for

1:11:16

listening. Have a great night.