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we go. Hello, Jade. Hello, Sophie and

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all our bumpies listening. How are you this

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week? I

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am fantastic and I'm just going

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to say controversial opinion. But

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Easter shits all over

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Christmas. Yeah. Mmm.

1:16

Mmm. I just think

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Christmas is given this fanfare,

1:21

this pedestal, but

1:23

there's so much stress around it.

1:25

Mmm. Depending on work, and

1:28

I know not everyone has the Easter

1:30

long weekend off either, but it's four

1:32

solid days. There's no stress in

1:34

the lead up to it. It's much

1:36

more affordable because, you know, all

1:39

anyone's expecting is a few choccy

1:41

eggs. I

1:43

just, I think leading up to Christmas in so

1:45

many industries that you work in, people act

1:47

like if you don't get in on

1:49

a deadline before Christmas, the entire world

1:51

is going to implode. There's none of

1:53

that with Easter. Where we

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are, we get to send our kids

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back to school today. those

2:00

Victorians and other people who are on

2:02

school holidays. You know what I mean?

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Like I feel like Christmas, you've then

2:06

got like a freaking 16 weeks

2:08

or something a whole day ahead of

2:11

you. I'm petitioning for Easter to be

2:13

the top holiday of the year. And

2:15

if you listened to our mental load

2:18

episode last week, I've passed the buck

2:20

on all Easter organization. So I even

2:22

got to sit back on that. So

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I'm in a good place. How are

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you? How was your Easter? Absolutely

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stunning. I'm glad that you love that.

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And look, I have had a bloody,

2:36

it's been the time of my life. What can

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I say? I have just been nonstop

2:41

having fun and it has been

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such a great time. We

2:45

went to Blues Fest. So the first day

2:48

I went with Harry and we just

2:50

had a fun date night. Mum and

2:52

dad had the kids then, cause

2:54

it was over the road. So, you know, you don't have

2:56

to go too far. And then

2:58

the second day I took Yumi

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and her best friend Milo and

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they had an absolute ball, spent

3:05

hours just dancing and playing and

3:07

eating. And then yesterday

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I went back with my friends

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and had another great time. I

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danced with an older man, like

3:16

as in a grandpa to Jimmy

3:18

Barnes. He absolutely loved

3:20

it. I absolutely loved

3:22

it. I met Bumpy, so many

3:24

Bumpy. I'm loving it. Bumpy

3:26

is everywhere and I'm absolutely loving it. The

3:29

confidence is building because they do come up

3:31

and they say, you said we can say

3:33

hi. And I said, I know. And I'm

3:35

so glad. Absolutely come say hi. But the

3:38

best part about it, most

3:40

of the times that people saw me,

3:42

I was at the water fountain, filling

3:44

up my water, not actually like the

3:47

beer stop or the self-sestation.

3:49

So I kind of look like I

3:51

was sitting a good girl. Well,

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I mean, look at our age. If you're going to

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attend a festival three days in

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a weekend, you've got to be responsible. and

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keep hydrated. So how bloody good are

4:03

you tired because I've been tired watching

4:05

you so I've done 50,000 steps so

4:07

I got my steps in and it

4:09

has been my feet are so so

4:12

sore but I really loved it because

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I didn't overthink this time I was

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like I'm not gonna go out and

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get prepared and buy a new outfit

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or anything and funnily enough it was

4:23

because of this episode we kind of

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just thought what do I have in

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my closet. We talked about shopping your

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wardrobe. Yeah let's just use that. So

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I just pulled pieces that I had

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out had boots from last year that

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I used for Blues Fest and

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it was really really fun. So now

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tell me top tips on taking your

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child to a festival. I feel like

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we hear about travel with kids but

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they're still listeners I'm sure who want

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to attend festivals and maybe want to

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take their kids with them. What are

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your top tips? The top tips are

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you can head to my Instagram because

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Yumi gave a solid review on how she

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what she thought of Blues

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Fest as she was walking out

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that night but it was honestly

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not a crowded crazy place it

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was spaced out they had a

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kids club with so many different

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activities that were turning around the

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clock it was face painting there

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was room to move it wasn't like

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oh I'm gonna get overwhelmed so many

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parents had buggies where they can pop

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their kids in and cut them around

5:28

if they were getting tired they have

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little wristbands so you know if they did

5:32

get lost they just have to point to someone

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and they call their mum everything

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just worked out really really well.

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So I highly highly recommend Blues

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Fest I haven't taken my kids

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to Splendour not that it's happening

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this year unfortunately but if anyone

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has taken their kids to a festival

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definitely let us know. I took Poppy

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to Splendour when she was about six

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months old and during the day was

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excellent but just as the sun started

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to rise. to set, you could kind

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of see people kind of

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go to another level and all of a sudden

6:05

they're coming up to her in the carrier trying

6:08

to touch her being like oh my god and

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I was like this is my cue to leave,

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this is my cue to get the children out

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of here. During daylight hours at that festival was

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fine but once it was after dark

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I was like no way too many

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people have lost all boundaries and inhibitions

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and my baby is out of here.

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I think the other good thing

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about this festival is quite family-friendly

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in the way that everyone's dressed

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quite respectfully like it's a nice

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you know you don't have butt

6:35

cheeks hanging out like you do at Splendour

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and other festivals. We go for gold

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but you might try and take it

6:42

on and that's just you know something

6:44

you don't really need to be dealing

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with. Exactly, absolutely. So

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good. Now I have another recommendation and I've

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been pretty open about

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being a anti-craft mum

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and I had to get by last

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week my first hot glue gun

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because my kids participated in their

7:02

first Easter Bonnet parade which

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was the cutest, like leading up to it I

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was like this is such an effort because you

7:09

have to make the heart. It

7:11

was the cutest school event ever. I

7:13

loved it. I sat there with tears

7:16

in my eyes just being that embarrassing

7:18

mum. Like they were doing the bare

7:20

minimum and I was just so

7:22

freaking proud that they were even up

7:25

there. But can I tell

7:27

you that glue gun has come in handy

7:29

already this week. I put it away after

7:31

the Easter bonnets were made and I said

7:33

to Nick, remind me where I've put

7:35

that away because I'm not going to need it until

7:37

next year when we have to make the Easter bonnets

7:39

again. My niece came up to

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me, her gem had fallen off her dress. And

7:44

normally I'd have had to be like, oh, just

7:46

keep wearing the dresses. No gem. I'm no good.

7:49

Like I'm not good at sewing. I'm not good

7:51

at any of that stuff. I whipped out

7:53

my hot glue gun. I was gluing

7:55

this on. I was fixing that up.

7:57

I'm just... watch

7:59

this. I might be about to become

8:01

a craft mom, I don't think so, but I am

8:03

whipping out my hot glue gun last run. I

8:06

wonder what else you can use with a hot glue gun. What can a

8:08

craft come about? I don't know, but come back to me and I'll find

8:10

it. All right. Everything. Everything.

8:14

Some foreheads if anyone's falling down

8:16

the stairs. What a time

8:18

to be alive. Now, I have

8:20

a bit of a story. Yumi,

8:22

for her birthday, got this

8:24

creepy little reborn doll. It's

8:27

your family. Your family goes

8:29

in circles and cycles. Yeah. Yeah.

8:33

The older girls had their turn. Their reborn

8:35

kind of looked like Donald Trump. It was

8:37

a little bit creepy. Like, imagine Donald Trump

8:39

in a baby form. It was weird. Anyway,

8:42

this one steps it up a

8:45

notch. It's more silicon-based and looks

8:47

really, really childlike, but creepy.

8:50

Like, the hands alone and it's just a little bit

8:52

odd. Anyway, when we were

8:54

coming back from Melbourne last week, I

8:56

was getting on the plane and Yumi was next

8:59

to me. And the guy's like, oh, have you

9:01

ever used an infant seatbelt before? And I'm like,

9:04

no, Yumi's five. And he's

9:06

like, no, why not the little one? And

9:08

I looked in my arms and he was

9:11

talking about the frickin' reborn doll. I said,

9:13

oh, no, that's actually a doll. She

9:16

does not need an infant seatbelt. Okay,

9:19

from there, we've taken her to the

9:21

supermarket today. People are just

9:23

like, they're triple taking going one,

9:26

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Yeah, because

9:28

your doll was face down in the... It

9:31

was face down in the shopping trolley. I'm

9:33

picking it up and pissing it because

9:35

it's like making...it's taking up too much

9:37

room. But everyone is rattled. So

9:39

I'm just...look, it's a little bit of like...

9:41

Because you want to keep people on their

9:43

toes. Yeah. You know, people are

9:45

going to like call child services on me or something

9:48

and I'll be like, guys, it's not real. It's

9:50

not real. Jay sent me a picture from

9:52

Woolies today and I know it's a doll

9:54

and I'm still concerned for the welfare. It

9:57

is. It's really quite creepy. Rude

9:59

or family? Fabulous. Yeah, rude or

10:02

fabulous. I'm gonna say rudely fabulous. Rude

10:04

for the bystander, fabulous for you. But

10:07

let's get into today's episode because this

10:09

one was... Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah,

10:11

go. Go, doll. I've got

10:13

a mum hack. I've got a school holiday mum

10:15

hack. And are you ready for this one? You'll

10:17

like this plug. I took

10:19

my kids to the movies today and I

10:21

didn't want to watch what they were watching.

10:23

So I whipped out my Kindle and popped

10:26

it on night mode and read it and

10:28

read it and read it.

10:30

Also, if you're at home and your

10:32

kids, you know, want to watch a movie,

10:35

sit down with them, pretend you're watching without

10:37

the Kindle. Can you? They

10:39

think you're bonding, you're not, you're reading

10:41

your Kindle. One up on

10:43

that. I popped the

10:45

podcast in beyond the bump because I was listening to

10:47

this episode. And I was

10:50

like, you could listen to Beyond the

10:52

Bump while you're in the

10:54

movies. If you want to. Genius.

10:58

Fucking fabulous. We love

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it. Obviously, pick Beyond the Bump over

11:02

the Kindle. But if you're already up today, we

11:04

give you permission to read the Kindle. But

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speaking of, let's get into today's episode.

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Yeah. This was so much

11:11

fun. We spoke to Liv Brown

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from Rattle Style. We've had many

11:15

people asking us to do an

11:17

episode on postpartum and

11:19

mum's style for quite a while. Obviously,

11:21

this is an area of interest of

11:23

Jade and I, but it was so

11:25

good to speak to professionals. And even

11:27

though I felt like I was quite

11:29

into fashion, since chatting to Liv, the

11:31

amount of things I've actually

11:33

put into place since listening

11:35

to this, those really like practical tips,

11:38

which we'll let you listen to. But

11:40

I absolutely love this. I felt

11:42

like there was great discussions about,

11:44

I guess, just general fashion, but

11:46

also those really handy practical tips too.

11:49

This episode is actually really, really fun

11:51

and it got me excited to do

11:53

more. I'm creating a new Pinterest account

11:55

so I can, you know, pin things

11:58

that I like. also

12:00

and I won't give it all away but

12:02

we got to have like choose our three

12:04

style words which explains on how to do

12:07

and just so many fun tips so

12:10

we really really really really

12:12

hope you enjoy. Enjoy.

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Hello Liv and welcome to Beyond The

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Bump podcast. Before we get started can you

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please tell us a little bit about yourself

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and your family? Yes hello thank you for

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having me. I am Liv,

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I'm a festival stylist for Mums and I'm

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the founder of Rattle Style. I

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have a beautiful little pubba

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boy, Gussie, who's two and a half

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and I'm about to pop with my

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second boy. I live in Melbourne and

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yes. And tell us how

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did Rattle Style start? Was it

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because even you who is a personal

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stylist struggled with pregnancy and postpartum please

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tell me that is why yes or

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was there another

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reason? That is why I

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feel like I got pregnant with Gus and

12:57

I was kind of the first out of

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my friendship group to have a baby and

13:01

I feel like I kind of went into

13:03

it quite naive like I had Gussie and

13:05

I just wasn't prepared for the identity shift

13:07

that was postpartum and being a mum. I

13:09

just kind of thought you have a baby

13:11

you need to bring them to chatty

13:13

you take them shopping and like you know I just

13:16

wasn't really prepared and as much

13:18

as I was like into fashion I worked

13:20

in fashion loved it felt like I knew

13:22

my personal style. I looked back on what

13:24

I was wearing those 30 months and I'm

13:26

like who was that and I think I

13:28

just didn't like know how to

13:31

lean into the shift and lean into the

13:33

new me so yeah I realised I had

13:35

a whole wardrobe full of like

13:38

work clothes going out clothes and so

13:40

I had forgotten how to dress so

13:42

that's how it all kind of came.

13:44

Well Liv you're not the only one

13:46

because when we put a message out

13:48

on Instagram about having a stylist talk

13:50

about what to wear how to feel

13:52

comfortable pregnant and beyond it was

13:55

absolutely the inbox was

13:58

filled with questions. So

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I feel like we're going to be a

14:02

bit of like a Dolly Doctor style episode.

14:04

Yeah, I'm so excited. Obviously, this is an

14:07

area that Jade and I love, but it's

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so fun to speak to a professional. I

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feel like each time, and it

14:14

surprised me every time, you think you're

14:16

getting towards the end of your pregnancy

14:18

and you go, oh, I

14:20

can't wait to wear my wardrobe again. Once

14:22

this baby comes out, I'm going to wear

14:25

my wardrobe. And then all of a sudden,

14:27

you're postpartum and you think, I'm

14:29

more stuck now on what to

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wear than when I was pregnant.

14:34

And I think a lot of that is

14:36

if you are breastfeeding, you have to wear

14:38

things that are breastfeeding friendly. But you also

14:40

feel so in this in-between stage. As you

14:43

say, you don't know what your identity is.

14:45

You want to be functional, but you want

14:47

to look good. You're kind of not feeling

14:50

yourself. It's such a, you just feel really

14:52

between two worlds. So this episode is purely

14:54

to make everyone feel good about themselves. And

14:56

we want them to walk away going, I

14:59

am going to get rid of those

15:01

shitty ass jeans I haven't worn in

15:03

months, or I'm going to go get

15:05

a haircut or whatever it is. We're

15:08

going to answer your questions. And the first one that

15:10

came in, and I

15:12

think we might start with like, should

15:15

we do Fashion Doctor Liv help? Postpartum

15:18

and none of my clothes fit me, but

15:20

I know my body is going to be

15:22

changing heaps. So is it worth buying

15:24

anything? I feel like it is, but

15:26

I'm going to be toxic when it

15:28

comes to these questions because I'm all for

15:31

rewarding yourself and treating yourself, especially after you've just

15:33

had a baby. Like I think we all

15:35

deserve to do a little bit of shopping.

15:38

I think postpartum, the way I

15:40

talk about it is you have your mum

15:42

uniform, you've got postpartum period, which is what

15:44

you get to six, I don't know, three

15:46

months or whatever. It is. I think

15:48

it's worth buying some really comfy clothes for that

15:50

stage. Like I'm talking

15:52

if it's winter, like long comfy

15:55

dresses, matching tracksuits, even

15:57

if you just buy three new outfits, wear

15:59

them to get clothes. postpartum and then deal

16:01

with the new you after the postpartum period.

16:04

But I think it's worth it. I

16:06

completely agree and I often say to

16:08

people if you're pregnant and you're having

16:11

a baby shower or people are asking

16:13

what they can get you, your child

16:15

does not need another swaddle. They

16:18

don't need 17 swaddles in every

16:20

colour of the rainbow. They don't

16:22

need a thousand onesies. You need

16:26

new underwear. You need new underwear and

16:28

you just need a voucher for maybe

16:30

like one pair of jeans or as

16:32

you said, one pair of pants, you

16:34

know, coming into winter, they might be more of

16:37

a, you know, like a wide leg trouser or

16:39

whatever that are really comfy around the top. But

16:42

we spend all this money on our

16:44

kids or like we think, oh, they

16:46

need the absolute whiz bang of whiz

16:48

bang pram or whatever. And we leave

16:50

nothing left to ourselves. And I understand

16:52

so many people are on a budget

16:54

nowadays, but even if it is that,

16:56

you know, one pair of pants that

16:58

you feel really good in or that

17:00

one tracksuit set that's like a little bit more

17:02

elevated and you feel good in and out

17:04

of the house, I think it's

17:06

understated how good it feels to

17:08

feel good and that can still

17:10

be comfy. Yeah.

17:13

And also with the postpartum clothes, like if you're

17:15

buying your matching tracksuit or if you're buying like

17:17

a nice vintage dress, you can still like you

17:20

are still going to be wearing them after postpartum

17:23

or you use them as your clothes that you're going to get

17:25

vomit all over. You're going to be bumming

17:27

around in, leave them as your comfy while

17:29

then you start buying into like jeans and

17:31

more like dressier kind of options. And

17:34

if we're talking about budget, there

17:36

are so many brilliant op shops,

17:38

secondhand places that you can get

17:40

really good things. I will admit

17:42

I am hopeless at sourcing really

17:44

great things and vintage finds, but

17:46

there are places out there that

17:48

are cheap, affordable and if that's

17:50

somewhere, someone wants to look for

17:52

places like Vpop, if you're shopping

17:55

from home, things like Vpop, Poshmark,

17:57

often it's things that have barely

17:59

been done. been worn at all that

18:01

other people are selling for a fraction of

18:03

the price. If you don't have the

18:05

time anymore to get out and thrift and

18:07

go vintage shopping or op shopping, or maybe

18:10

that's something that you've never been particularly good at,

18:12

I feel like they're such a good place to

18:14

go to. Yeah, especially if you're

18:16

looking for big jumpers and there's lots

18:18

of like secondhand vintage jumpers that would

18:21

be great for postpartum and all those

18:23

websites and stores. And how do you

18:25

feel about maternity clothes, buying them for

18:27

pregnancy and breastfeeding? So with my first

18:30

pregnancy, I didn't wear any maternity clothes.

18:32

I just feel like you don't need

18:34

to. I just, you can wear tops

18:36

and things like that. That's just do

18:39

the trick. This pregnancy, I have actually

18:41

bought a maternity skirt from IME. I'm

18:43

probably saying that wrong with IAMIBU.

18:47

It has done me wonders for summer. But I do

18:49

think you don't really need to go down that maternity

18:52

clothing route. Like you

18:54

can wear, you can find tops that work

18:57

just as well. Bra's on the other hand,

18:59

are more for a maternity bra. I think

19:01

it also depends what season you're in. I

19:03

was heavily pregnant in summer, so I didn't

19:06

find that I needed it that much. Whereas

19:08

I feel like if I was heavily pregnant

19:10

in winter, I'd probably want maybe a pair

19:12

of maternity jeans, a pair of maternity pants,

19:15

or a skirt, like, you know, a maxi

19:17

skirt or something like that to help me

19:19

through. I've never been big

19:21

on like maternity

19:23

dressing postpartum, but

19:26

I understand that some people don't feel comfortable,

19:28

say, like pulling up their top to breastfeed

19:30

or whatever. And I think if you're in

19:32

that camp, you either do button down or

19:35

you get the tops that have the zips

19:37

and that kind of thing. Or

19:39

a little trick with that one is, which is

19:41

what I used to do when I didn't feel

19:43

defensive around, you know, feel comfortable breastfeeding. If you're

19:45

wearing a shirt or any kind of top you're

19:47

wearing, you just wear a little thinglet, thin strap thinglet

19:49

under the t-shirt, under the shirt. And then

19:52

you can pull the shirt up and then just pull this

19:54

over the thinglet down so you're covering your stomach if that's

19:56

what you're trying There's also

19:58

really good maternity. clothing in H&M,

20:01

they have a great section and

20:03

I used to get these

20:05

and I know I wasn't, I was pregnant a

20:07

long, long time ago, but they would have like

20:09

stretchy leggings and I

20:11

was very comfortable because I could use one

20:13

pair, it would just stretch with me for

20:16

that whole pregnancy and then I would just

20:18

go to like, because I didn't want to

20:20

have a maternity shirt, I would just get

20:22

like an extra large shirt that I liked

20:24

in wherever and put that over the

20:27

top and that seemed to work well. And then when

20:29

I had my third pregnancy, I couldn't be bothered

20:31

getting any of those things so I just

20:33

got an elastic hair tie, wrapped it around

20:36

my normal, short jeans loop and then that

20:38

gave me extra stretch. I've always been amazed

20:40

by that trick and I think it's a

20:42

great hack, but for me, it's not just

20:45

my tummy that goes during pregnancy and everyone's

20:47

like, oh I just do the hair tie

20:49

trick. I'm like, my jeans

20:51

are not getting above my knees, it's not

20:53

just a bumpy issue. So

20:56

it just depends, you know, where you grow

20:59

during pregnancy. In saying

21:01

all that on the topic of active wear,

21:03

with Gus I did have maternity leggings. This

21:06

baby, I don't know why, I just haven't gone around with it

21:08

and I've been forcing leggings on and I'm

21:10

so uncomfortable. So I think active wear, I

21:12

think there's a big base of maternity active

21:14

wear, I think that's a great, like if you're going to

21:16

be going to walks and stuff, I think it's good to

21:19

be comfortable and not try and force

21:21

yourself into your old leggings. Now

21:23

we had so many people saying, I

21:25

have no idea what my style even

21:27

is anymore. How do I find it

21:30

again and where do I start? I

21:32

feel like I've done a deep dive into this

21:34

recently because that's exactly why, like that's how I

21:37

felt when I had Gus. I was like, who

21:39

am I? I looked at my old wardrobe and I was

21:41

like, dude, I can't. Well, it's not that

21:43

I can't wear this stuff anymore, I just was like, that's

21:45

not me anymore and I just, you need to... You

21:47

only get the ick. I got the ick. I

21:49

think you just mature a bit maybe and I

21:52

like that mature a bit. And

21:55

I think we need to just lean

21:57

into the new you, lean into new identities.

22:00

you're leaning to be your mum and then come

22:02

to me and I'll help. No, I'm kidding. And then I

22:04

think if you do do a

22:06

deep dive into the new year, it

22:08

sounds really like science, sciencey,

22:11

but I talk

22:13

about creating a Pinterest board and

22:15

finding a new style. If anyone's

22:17

heard of the American stylist Alison

22:20

Bornstein, she's amazing. She has the

22:22

three word method where you find

22:24

your three style words. And

22:26

if you just really like, yeah, kind of think about what you

22:28

like now, why you don't like

22:30

the things that you like, put it

22:32

all together on a Pinterest board and just start. What

22:34

are your three style words at the moment? Yeah. And

22:37

what would we be? I did

22:39

these the other day. So my three style

22:41

words are colorful, creative

22:44

and comfortable. Although I feel like comfortable is

22:46

a bit of a cop out. I need

22:48

to work on that last one, but colorful,

22:51

creative and comfortable. So the first

22:53

one is your realistic words. So it's basically,

22:55

if you think about like what you wear

22:57

every day, what kind of like the common

23:00

thread on the outfits you wear every

23:02

single day. Oversized? Yeah, oversized is a

23:04

good one. I don't know what mine

23:06

would be. Colorful. Colorful. Colorful. And then

23:09

the second word is your, the

23:12

word that you inspire to be. So if you think

23:14

about like your Pinterest boards that you saved or people

23:16

that you look up to and you're like, oh, I

23:18

wish I could dress like that, but like that wouldn't

23:20

suit me kind of thing. Like what's the common thread

23:22

there? Mine was creative. I love when people put together

23:24

like creative outfits. Yeah. Mine would

23:26

be kind of unexpected, like

23:28

clashing things that work or

23:30

colors together that you wouldn't

23:32

necessarily expect, but they work together.

23:35

So mine would be unexpected or like

23:37

daring, daring maybe. I've got OCD so

23:39

I can't do any color. It freaks

23:41

me out. But I have, I've

23:45

got to say stylish, but

23:47

I'm thinking like chic. I'm thinking

23:49

like someone that just looks like

23:51

they've just thrown on like effortless.

23:53

Effortless. Yeah. Effortless. Oversized, effortless. That's

23:56

a good one. I think you've

23:58

already nailed that. So. Oh

24:00

yeah, you've reached your aspiration. Well, we've got one

24:02

more. We've got one more. So the third one

24:04

is how do you want your outfit

24:06

and your clothes to make you feel? This is what I feel

24:09

like, I need to do my third one again, but how do

24:11

you want them to make you feel like, do you want to

24:13

feel powerful? Do you want to feel confident? Do you want to

24:15

feel approachable? Like, you know,

24:17

I want to feel confident and joyous.

24:20

I want to feel sexy

24:23

and cool. They're

24:26

good. You're, they're good words. We need to

24:28

write these down. But that's right. I

24:31

like those. Okay. So these are the words

24:33

that we take in when we're buying a

24:35

new item, when we're curating a new outfit,

24:37

when are we using these words? Yeah. So

24:39

Alison Baughton, she's actually got a book called

24:41

Wear It Well, and the three word message

24:43

she makes. So now when you shop, so

24:46

if you figure out your style, your three style

24:48

words, then when you go shopping, if you go,

24:50

I love that jacket, is

24:52

it creative, colourful? Well, is it

24:54

comfortable? Is it going to make me feel

24:56

powerful? You use your word. If it's not

24:59

one of those words, you probably shouldn't buy

25:01

it. This is not going to fit into your wardrobe.

25:03

You need to buy anything in those three words. Everything

25:05

in your wardrobe is going to start to go together

25:07

and it just kind of like makes

25:09

your wardrobe start to be more your coastal

25:11

style. I love that. Cause I hate when

25:14

I get an item and then I'm like,

25:16

cool, I can wear that with one other

25:18

thing I own or, you know, you get

25:20

a dress and you're like, Oh, I can

25:23

only wear that, like with that specific pair

25:25

of heels or if it's cold, I have

25:27

no jacket that goes with that. So I

25:30

really am recently trying to pick things where

25:32

it's, you know, it's one thing

25:34

that can go with so many things. And I

25:36

think you don't want to have something. I have

25:38

always been that person that finds something in Zara

25:40

or wherever I am. And I'm like, Oh my

25:43

gosh, that looks so cool. I'm buying it, but

25:45

I don't actually think of what it will go

25:47

with or if I'll actually wear it. So it

25:49

sits in my wardrobe and whenever I look at

25:51

my wardrobe, I'll pull it out and go, that

25:54

looks so nice. But when was the last time

25:56

I wore it? I just can't wear it. I

25:58

actually heard Zara from shameless podcast. She has

26:00

an incredible fashion sense. I love it. I

26:02

can't remember exactly what she said. So don't

26:04

correct me if I've quoted her wrong, but

26:06

it was basically like if you have an

26:08

event on and you're buying something new for

26:10

it, if you don't have every other piece

26:12

in your wardrobe that you can wear with

26:15

it. So it's not like, oh, I'm going

26:17

to buy those pants and then I need

26:19

to find myself a pair of loafers that

26:21

would look great with them. Or I'm going

26:23

to buy that top, but I

26:25

don't have a skirt that would go with it, but that's okay. I'm

26:27

going to find this skirt. I can only

26:30

ever buy something if you have every other

26:32

item of the outfit to go with it,

26:34

because then I think it's so much more

26:36

likely that you can wear it in so

26:38

many versatile ways because you're not having to

26:40

get that one other item to go with

26:42

it. So do you recommend we've got our

26:44

three words, we've come up with them going

26:47

onto Pinterest and maybe saying, so for mine

26:49

would be oversized fashion women. And would it

26:51

come up with heaps of ideas and I

26:53

just start pinning things that I like to

26:55

get an idea of where I'm at. Yeah,

26:57

I think making Pinterest boards is great. You

27:00

just pin what you like and then you

27:02

can kind of go through them and see

27:04

the common threads. Another thing

27:06

I do after you've done your

27:08

style words is I kind of talk

27:10

about colors. Well, I speak to my clients about

27:12

colors and I say, pick, you've got

27:15

your base colors and your personality color.

27:17

This is to find your own personal style.

27:20

Your base colors, I would say pick two to

27:22

three colors and they're kind of like the canvas

27:24

of your wardrobe. So for me, mine would

27:26

probably be brown, different kind of non-neutral colors

27:28

for that. So yeah, your base colors would

27:31

be neutral. And to be honest, it doesn't

27:33

actually have to be a neutral color. Someone's

27:35

could be like, I love lots of pink.

27:37

So be brown and pink. And that's kind

27:39

of what you use to buy

27:41

like your basics in, like if

27:43

you're, you know, maybe your gym clothes, like if

27:46

you find a pair of jeans, you pick in

27:48

a color, you use that, you pick your base

27:50

color and then you've also got your personality

27:52

palette. So I say, choose, there's

27:54

no rules, but three to five colors that you're going

27:56

to stick to that kind of go together. Like I

27:59

love my orange. my red, my

28:01

pink, my purple. If

28:03

you start sticking to those colors, you've got your

28:05

base colors, your personality palette, everything in your wardrobe

28:08

is gonna start to go together. I'm insane

28:10

that, again, no rules. If you open my wardrobe

28:12

right now, it's like a rainbow. But since doing

28:15

this, and since even doing it, perhaps like

28:17

trying to practice what I preach and doing

28:19

these exercises myself, I find that I wake

28:21

up every day and kind of cancel something

28:23

from my wardrobe and everything is starting to

28:25

go together. I love that because I'm trying

28:27

to bring more color in, but then you

28:29

do, you get worried. But you get worried

28:31

that then it's not as versatile. But if

28:34

you have those base colors, that then those

28:36

base colors go with your personality colors. Well,

28:38

you're introducing all these colors, but they all

28:40

go beautifully together. I did the same thing

28:42

with Pinterest, and I also do it with

28:44

saved posts on Instagram.

28:47

And I just do like, is it a splatter

28:49

gun? Is that the term? Splatter gun approach or

28:51

whatever it is, where I just pin so much

28:53

stuff. I do it with interiors as well. And

28:55

then I go back through and you can really

28:58

see the ones that stick out as like, oh,

29:00

I love that outfit, but that's clearly not my

29:02

style because it doesn't really go with any of

29:04

the others. And then I see

29:06

the common theme. And I think another thing

29:09

if you're on a budget to do and

29:11

you want to wear fun or colorful clothing,

29:13

sometimes I think you go, okay, do I

29:15

want the tops or the bottoms

29:17

to be the fun part? Because sometimes I

29:19

think it's especially easier if you decide that

29:21

you want the tops to be the fun

29:23

part and the bottoms to be the

29:26

more constant. Because you can buy like a

29:28

pair of jeans and a pair of wide

29:30

leg trousers, for example, that you like. And

29:32

then tops generally are cheaper than bottoms as

29:35

well. And you can kind of go a

29:37

bit more out there with the tops and

29:39

they're the ones you can mix and match.

29:41

I guess you can do it the other

29:43

way around and get some really fun pants

29:45

with some plain, you know, good

29:47

t-shirts and that kind of thing. It's just pants

29:50

tend to be more expensive than the tops. And

29:52

then if you, so then I'm probably getting confusing, but

29:55

then I should wear outfit formulas. If

29:57

you've got your fun pair of pants and then your top would be

29:59

in your base color. So for me,

30:01

like today, I'm wearing a brown top and then

30:04

you wear like your fun pair of, I'm wearing

30:06

yellow pants right now, fun pair of pants. So

30:08

if you mix your base colors with your

30:10

personality palette, it kind of puts an outfit

30:13

together for you. Okay. So

30:15

if we can go back to when

30:17

we're asking ourselves, what is my style,

30:20

you know, postpartum, what if

30:22

we think about it like this? You've given

30:24

birth and we've got three months to sit

30:27

there with our comfy three items or whatever

30:29

we're doing, we're just coming, we're not thinking

30:31

about that because we're postpartum. Or you're longer

30:33

if you want. Whatever you want. No

30:36

one's forcing you out of your comfy for three months. But

30:38

in that time, you're just Pinteresting away

30:40

because you're going to get a style that

30:42

you feel comfortable with. And it's exciting. This

30:45

is a time where you can create a

30:47

new version and a new style of you

30:49

that you want to walk into. I think

30:51

this is really nice. Yeah. So

30:54

this is, I've actually just done a masterclass on this and I

30:56

could talk about this all day. But I

30:58

say have your baby when you're nesting in

31:00

your, and like wear pajamas. I've got cotton

31:02

on knife that I wear right now that

31:04

I will be wearing my whole postpartum. Be

31:07

comfy and lean into your

31:09

new identity, lean into the new, find

31:12

your style words, find your colours,

31:14

figure out what your outfit formula is. And

31:17

then my tip, which I've actually, I'm so excited to do

31:19

this book when I have this baby.

31:21

Once you're kind of getting out of

31:23

that postpartum period, if you've got space

31:26

in your room or in your house,

31:28

buy a clothing wrap, buy

31:30

like five coat hangers and buy, or when

31:32

I say buy, you can also shop your

31:34

own wardrobe. You don't need to go out

31:36

and buy five outfits. You can, but figure

31:38

out five outfits that are going to

31:40

suit your, and I can go more into what

31:42

outfits I think work for a mum uniform, but five

31:45

outfits that are going to suit your week in your,

31:47

like your new mum life. Hang them up. So

31:49

you've got your five outfits there and that's your postpartum

31:51

uniform. And because you've got your colours, you've done your

31:53

base colours, your personality palette and all that, they're all

31:55

going to mix and match. So you

31:57

have your accessories and then it's kind of like

31:59

you've built a your mum uniform separate from

32:01

your like weekend wear that's probably just

32:03

stuff in your in your wardrobe but

32:06

it takes up the mental load you wake up every morning you've

32:08

got your outfits there ready to go and that

32:10

kind of like you see I see my husband

32:12

go to work every morning he puts on a

32:14

suit I'm like god that must be nice I

32:16

can't even like you know when you got a

32:18

new one you've never got time to shower. My

32:20

husband doesn't even put on a suit but he

32:22

has like eight of the same white t-shirt a

32:24

few pairs of the same shorts and he's cropped

32:26

through his Birkenstocks and he just rotates

32:28

them and I'm like gosh I wish

32:30

that were enough for me but it's

32:33

not. If you are overwhelmed with

32:35

what to wear and it's just a

32:37

lot and I actually even though I'm

32:39

not postpartum anymore you

32:42

are forever babe. I am forever.

32:45

I have this like just in

32:47

my brain I get really overwhelmed

32:49

with how to dress because it's

32:51

too much for me and especially

32:53

postpartum sets saved my life it

32:55

was I didn't have to think

32:57

about it I didn't have to

32:59

like pair things together it was

33:01

like boom I felt comfortable like

33:03

a breastfeed in it and it was just

33:05

the easiest thing and there are so many

33:08

different styles of sets out there in the

33:10

world that I think everyone can be quite

33:12

comfortable in there and I think they're often

33:14

the kind of thing you can literally pick

33:16

up off the floor and you look put

33:18

together and thought out even though not even

33:21

a second of thought has gone into it.

33:23

I love the idea of the five outfits

33:25

because I think that's an

33:27

approachable amount of outfits to put your head around

33:29

and when you say five you kind of think

33:31

oh that's not enough and even if

33:33

you were wearing them on the weekend I'm

33:35

happy to be wearing on Saturday what I

33:37

was wearing back in Monday that would feel

33:39

like months ago when you have

33:42

got a baby. Yeah I think it's just so it

33:44

sounds like a control thing but it's so it

33:47

just takes place the mental load I don't know

33:49

about you guys but we'll talk about witching hour

33:51

I felt like with gas witching hour was out

33:53

was the morning I just could not do anything

33:55

in the morning I couldn't even

33:57

shower I was like I couldn't put him down.

34:00

So having my five outfits there, one for Monday,

34:02

she's there, one for the five, made me feel

34:04

good leaving the house. And you know what, I

34:06

leave the house still sometimes in gym

34:08

clothes, half pajamas, whatever, but

34:11

you don't feel good as you're doing that every day. You want

34:13

to dress to me, you feel good, especially during that

34:15

time. So what are examples, you said you

34:18

have some examples of what those mum uniforms

34:20

can look like. What are some examples of

34:22

those? So when I work with clients, and

34:24

obviously this is so personal, like it depends

34:27

on what you like to wear and you

34:29

know, everyone's different. But I always recommend having

34:31

one dress, whether

34:33

it's like if you like mini dresses and you want

34:35

to layer them in winter, if you like max dresses,

34:37

there's lots of different dress styles that you can choose.

34:40

One dress, and I say that you should

34:42

wear your dress on your busiest days. You wake up

34:44

and you've got a chaotic morning, put your dress on.

34:46

You don't even have to think, it's just a rec

34:48

and you've left the house, you look so

34:51

dark in a dress. Second, I always

34:53

say a pair of jeans, so hard

34:55

wearing, you know, everyone needs a pair of

34:57

jeans in their wardrobe, pair it with your t-shirt

34:59

or any other item kind of in

35:02

your mum uniform. Third, so

35:04

I'm starting with bottoms. Third, I say

35:06

always have a pair of track pants. And I

35:08

know a lot of people, when I

35:10

tell people, they're like, oh, I probably wouldn't leave the

35:12

house in track pants. But with your trackies, I say

35:14

find a really nice pair of like wide leg track

35:17

pants that you hang up. Like you

35:19

don't get home, wear them, drink your coffee,

35:21

have coffee and stay on them. Go to sleep,

35:24

put them in your bottom drawer. When you find

35:26

a nice pair of track pants, like treat

35:28

it as a jean. So when you're leaving

35:30

the house in your track pants, and

35:33

they still have a feel, they're so comfy. I

35:35

live in track pants. And even just you compare

35:37

that with like a nice crisp shirt. So

35:39

it's like, you feel more accessible leaving the house.

35:42

So you've got dress, track pants,

35:45

jeans. I always leave space for

35:47

an active wear date. So a pair of leggings,

35:49

but I think that's just more about how you

35:51

style it. So if you're going to wear your

35:53

leggings out. And

35:55

I think if you buy like the winter, for example,

35:57

I'm in the search. It's like a really cool over

35:59

the years. size jumper

36:01

with like a corded dick or something that

36:03

you wear with like cool socks and sneakers

36:06

just to make it look more than just

36:08

your old active wear. And then lastly I

36:10

say to have a piece in there that's

36:12

like really bold that inspires you. So for

36:15

the days that you're like, so

36:17

you're going out for lunch with the girls or you're even going

36:19

to the zoo but you want, you feel you've had a

36:21

good sleep that night, you feel like you want to

36:23

dress up a bit and look a bit more cooler,

36:25

whether it's like a leather print denim skirt or like

36:27

a patterned hair pad. That's

36:30

so great. I love that. Because I think

36:32

that's so true with the trackie pants. I

36:34

feel like I do that to myself so

36:36

often that it looks exactly the same to

36:38

anyone else out and about, but I've mentally

36:41

ruined the outfit by the occasions that I've

36:43

worn it in. Yeah. So keep them as

36:45

like your pants that you wear every day,

36:47

not just something you draw with all the

36:50

other trackies. I find that when I

36:52

wear trackies, I love to piece it with accessories.

36:54

So if you want to wear it and you

36:56

want to wear it all the time and you don't want

36:58

to get bored, change up your socks.

37:00

Wear really cool chunky socks and some

37:02

cool runners and then alternate on different

37:04

days. And I feel like it changed

37:07

the whole outfit. And that's the best

37:09

thing about having your mum uniform is

37:11

having your five outfits. And then

37:13

if you're a shopaholic like me, instead

37:15

of just buying random bits and bods

37:17

of jumpers and tops and stuff, you

37:19

can actually start spending money on

37:21

accessories and buying like cool chunky

37:23

jewelry or, you know, statement different

37:26

shoes and things like that to have more

37:28

fun with the outfit. Yeah, I do love

37:30

the bold accessories that are all the rage

37:32

now and I hope continuing on because it

37:34

does mean that you can just do that

37:37

simple crisp white t-shirt with jeans and then

37:39

you have put a cool necklace on that

37:41

does not have to cost much and boom,

37:43

you look so thought out and

37:46

put together. Yeah, exactly. And I talk as

37:48

well to my clients about a like the

37:51

power of accessories and mum uniform accessories.

37:53

Obviously, I've got like a whole cabinet

37:55

of like my chunky earrings, my

37:58

dangly earrings and my sunnies and all the fun

38:00

things. So if you have

38:02

a bowl next to your bed on your

38:04

bedside table or just somewhere that's really, really

38:06

accessible and you wake up every morning, you

38:08

put your earrings back on, you put your

38:10

everyday necklaces on, you put your rings on,

38:12

it just automatically elevates an outfit. And then

38:14

if you want to have fun with them

38:16

and you have a little baby that's going to

38:19

tug off your earring or something and you want to

38:21

dress up a bit more, then you can add the

38:23

chamfica. But it's also so good to have your practical

38:26

jewellery that's going to automatically

38:28

elevate the outfit. Definitely. And

38:30

I do want to suggest

38:32

that if you're buying basic

38:34

t-shirts that you have to

38:36

invest well because you want

38:38

it to wash well and

38:41

I'm going to say this because this is my

38:44

biggest thing. I have a million white t-shirts. I

38:46

am a white t-shirt gal. However, if

38:48

the fabric doesn't feel

38:52

right, I cannot wear it.

38:55

And you have to get that right

38:57

because otherwise you're just like, oh, that's a great

38:59

t-shirt, but I can't wear it. So I give

39:01

it to my husband because I'm like, I just

39:03

can't get that feeling. I really should look into

39:05

this. I really do

39:07

have some sensory stuff. Have you

39:09

found the perfect one? Yeah, I'm

39:11

wearing a Zulu and Zepa one

39:13

at the moment. It's huge. It's

39:16

oversized. It's got a seam that

39:18

goes past your, I

39:20

guess your first bicep muscle. And I

39:22

love it because you can tuck it in, you can tuck

39:25

it out. But I really do find if you look

39:27

well in say Zara

39:29

or H&M, you can find some

39:31

really nice t-shirts that are like

39:33

a mix of linen. I don't

39:35

like complete linen because I find

39:37

that's scotchy. But yeah, you can

39:39

close my go-to t-shirt. My

39:42

trick with oversized t-shirts, I like things

39:45

really, really, really oversized. So

39:47

I buy only men's like t-shirts

39:49

and jumpers and sweatshirts. So I'll

39:51

go on like, we've got a

39:53

shop here in Melbourne called Stirz Products.

39:56

I go in there to men's store and I buy all

39:58

my crew next to my and they

40:00

just, they feel like they

40:02

fit better, better quality, even

40:05

like Carhartt and some of those men brands are

40:07

really good for fast times. And that's what fast

40:09

times is. It's not a monster as well, but

40:12

really good t-shirts. How about

40:14

with oversized? I feel

40:16

like in theory, I always love oversized,

40:18

but if I'm having a mer day,

40:20

the oversized makes me feel mom. If

40:23

I'm having a great day and I'm

40:25

like feeling confident, the oversized makes me

40:28

feel cool and put together and edgy.

40:31

How do we make, I think

40:33

especially in those postpartum days when

40:35

often you're feeling bigger

40:37

than what you were before and you are

40:39

feeling, how do we just make it not

40:41

be sloppy? How do we make it actually

40:44

feel like, okay, that was a decision to wear

40:46

an oversized tee? I would say

40:49

only wear one oversized tee. So wear

40:51

a t-shirt with a really oversized bomber

40:53

jacket or puffer or blazer, or wear

40:55

your wide leg, really oversized jeans

40:58

with more of a fitted t-shirt. So

41:00

just pick one. Yeah, don't

41:02

do the whole thing. I find even on a

41:04

good day when I'm doing the whole oversized thing,

41:06

I'm like, I'm not a rake. So

41:09

it doesn't actually look that impressive. But I

41:11

do find that if I wear an oversized t-shirt,

41:15

everyone's wrists and ankles are quite

41:17

small. So that's where I

41:19

show my bits off. So I wear like, I don't

41:21

know, a skirt. No, that's a lie. I

41:24

don't wear skirts. I wear shorts or

41:26

I wear something that you can see

41:28

that my legs are slimmer than this

41:30

big oversized t-shirt that I'm wearing. And

41:32

then it kind of makes me feel comfortable because

41:34

I'm not showing my gunk. And

41:37

I guess that leads to another question. Someone wrote

41:40

in saying, I'm six months postpartum and I'm so

41:42

self-conscious of my mum pouch. I want to grow

41:44

to accept it, but I'm just not there yet.

41:46

Do I go tight to suck it in or

41:48

do I go loose to cover it up? So,

41:51

because I'm a big, I call it, you can

41:53

call it a big t-shirt. You can call it

41:55

a fupa apparently. You can call it a gunk.

41:57

I call it a gunk because it's weird. tummy

42:00

and the you know, so we combine

42:02

that word but I feel personally I

42:04

don't like anything too tight on it

42:06

because I feel sick and I don't

42:08

think that you need to spend a

42:11

whole day feeling sick to look good

42:13

so I get stretchy but comfy and

42:15

I always go one size up because

42:17

no one really sees it and you

42:19

can pull it in and then I

42:22

will then go oversized with the shirt

42:24

so I am a tighter person on

42:26

the on the pants and I'm a

42:28

looser person over the top. I'm the exact

42:31

same and this is probably an annoying answer

42:33

and I think it's trial and error finding

42:35

those things that are gonna sit well on

42:37

your tummy if you're feeling self-conscious of your

42:39

tummy don't force yourself to look so entire. Also

42:41

it's that whole like we need to just start

42:43

to learn how to be proud of our bodies

42:45

and like what they've done and everything but obviously

42:47

so much easier said than done I'm hoping maybe I'll

42:50

get some of that with baby too but I

42:52

will just say whatever it is,

42:54

which is actually gonna feel comfortable to

42:56

you and you're probably gonna look more confident.

42:58

Yeah I think that we're we need to

43:00

and we are kind of moving away from

43:02

the fact that you know an outfit I

43:04

think in the day it was like an

43:06

outfit is a good outfit is if it's

43:08

flattering and that was always flattering

43:10

meant it makes you look the

43:13

smallest version of yourself possible and

43:15

so I think it's completely down

43:17

to comfort I think you can

43:19

look rock an outfit that doesn't

43:22

make you look smaller so much

43:24

more than maybe an outfit that

43:26

does make you look smaller but you can't

43:28

breathe in it or you're feeling sick as

43:31

you say all day or you can't sit

43:33

down without undoing a button. I think that

43:35

we're really I think well the

43:37

the fashion pages that I follow are really starting

43:39

to embrace that cool fashion isn't just about

43:41

looking the smallest version of you. No it's

43:43

definitely not. I did a question box for

43:45

my stories the other day and it was

43:47

actually quite sad seeing all the responses and

43:49

it was just it was about like the

43:51

back postpartum fashion. I used

43:53

to honestly the majority of the responses

43:55

was like I need to know how to

43:57

look like how to dress my new body.

44:00

and look small in my new body. And

44:02

I was like, oh, I just, I

44:04

feel like if you think about, you look, you say

44:06

you're on a beach and you're looking around, everyone's

44:08

in bapini, you look at people who say you

44:10

look at someone, you're like, wow, she looks amazing.

44:12

It's usually the people that are walking with confidence

44:15

and just like happy with, and it's so much

44:17

easier than done. Like I don't, I'm also very

44:19

insecure with some parts of my body. But I

44:21

think if you find, if you know your personal style,

44:23

you find items or clothes that you love and make

44:26

you feel good, you're going to look good. You know,

44:28

we don't need to be looking skinny. And

44:30

speaking of those parts that we

44:32

feel uncomfortable, mine is my postpartum

44:34

gun, if you will, I've had

44:36

it for years, lots

44:39

of years, and I don't think it's ever

44:42

going to go away. So I've accepted and

44:44

I've embraced it. I don't have to love

44:46

it. It's there, but I have decided to

44:48

dress for it. So what I do is

44:51

when I, when I said before about having

44:53

something tighter around that area, it's actually a

44:55

confidence thing. I feel more confident right now

44:58

that if something's holding me in and I

45:00

think postpartum, when you feel that you

45:02

have that empty pouch after having a

45:04

beautiful baby in it, you feel

45:06

quite empty. So having something like

45:08

hugging that area feels quite nurturing and

45:11

then having the t-shirt over the top

45:13

just sort of tops it off or

45:15

a shirt, whatever, oversized. Yeah. It kind

45:17

of just makes you feel like, oh,

45:19

something's supporting me and still like, what

45:21

am I five years postpartum? I

45:24

do still feel that I'm being supported in

45:26

that area. Same. I'd never

45:28

wear low-rise. Never. No. And mine's

45:30

the same with underwear. Like I

45:32

don't, even if it is

45:34

an item of clothing, say it's a baggy item

45:36

of clothing that you would not be able to

45:38

tell any panty line on it,

45:40

see anything through it, whatever. If I

45:42

have any kind of low-rise underwear, I

45:45

feel so exposed. And if I have

45:47

something that's a bit more high-rise and

45:49

just that little bit more fitting, it's

45:51

not actually because I'm hiding anything. No,

45:53

I do. You feel like a bit

45:55

held and like I'm taking care of

45:57

this. part of my body that has

45:59

done so much. Yeah. You don't want

46:01

it digging into the love handles, reminding

46:03

me. No, there's a brand called Net-V

46:06

and I've worn these undies for years.

46:08

I should actually get some more because

46:10

I'm wearing the same five over and

46:12

over and this is the whole point.

46:14

But they have this band around them

46:16

that is just really subtle. It's quite,

46:18

what's that? Seven centimetres? Oh, I'm terrible

46:20

at that kind of thing. I could

46:22

be like three metres. It's enough to

46:25

give you some sort of support in

46:27

that area. Then when you're putting pants

46:29

or something over, you're not getting that like,

46:31

oh, I feel like it's all just flopping

46:33

around. It makes you feel quite confident. So

46:35

they're really good undies if anyone's looking for,

46:37

and they do them in a G-string. I

46:40

know Sophie will be like, no way in

46:42

hell, but I love a G-string. I can't

46:44

do G-string. I can't do G-string. That supports

46:46

the way. I am all for anyone. I'm

46:48

honestly impressed by anyone who can wear it.

46:51

We'll be back in a minute with

46:53

more Beyond the Bum Goodness after this

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short break. Bumpies, are you struggling to

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of the way. Now, you sound

48:28

like you're doing something

48:30

else. Back to the show. What's

48:33

that person? I'm going

48:35

to expose my friend Jasmine. We were down

48:37

in Melbourne for a fashion week and she's

48:39

like, duh duh duh, I slept last night

48:41

in my J-string. I was like, how? How

48:43

does one fall asleep in a J-string? I

48:46

am baffled. I'm a cool great girl. Yeah,

48:49

no, I can't because of the line.

48:51

I'm real funny about it. If I

48:53

see the line, it just annoys me.

48:55

On me, I don't care about anyone

48:57

else. Just on me. I'm like, nope.

48:59

Now, moving on. Moving away from our

49:01

bumholes and our panty lines. I know.

49:03

We know it's your favourite topic

49:05

of conversation, but we have to

49:07

move on, Jade. How do we

49:09

find a balance between feeling yourself

49:11

but also dressing functionally for a

49:13

day with the kids? I

49:16

think it all comes back to knowing your own

49:18

style and starting the outfit.

49:20

I'm all for track suits, so

49:22

comfortable, but having them in your

49:25

colour palette, your personality palette,

49:27

and having them in

49:29

a style or a fashion that you love will make it

49:31

more you. At the same time, they're really

49:33

comfortable. You don't need to be wearing jeans

49:36

if you don't like jeans. Finding the right

49:38

piece of fear but choosing the colours that

49:40

you love. What are your thoughts on being

49:42

your own inspiration? I find when I

49:44

look back on myself, and I know that

49:46

I'm always a different weight and we fluctuate

49:48

with motherhood, but I look at photos of

49:51

myself and I think there's one that I

49:53

really loved myself when Sophie and I were

49:55

in Sydney. I was like, I

49:57

love that outfit. I'm not that size guy.

50:00

The game. So for me, Anymore. But what

50:02

if I could take that as in

50:04

storage and six I know it works

50:06

and just size up. Could you go

50:08

back on your own camera roll and

50:10

look alike? Know I love that I'm

50:12

in a do that again. I think

50:14

it's hardly depends especially post partum with

50:16

the lens that which are looking at

50:18

least I think it's often held be

50:20

a to use yourself as inspired than

50:22

someone else but I think that post

50:24

and sometimes. It's I think you gotta

50:26

be really stick with what lens you're gonna be

50:28

looking at it for a. Year.

50:31

Or as in I think you're looking

50:33

at it in a really really positive

50:35

way. but I think that some people

50:37

could look back on their camera rolling

50:39

guy you're actually like that out see

50:41

it or do I just my get

50:43

my my body looks their i'm thinking

50:46

I'd just trying to look back and

50:48

think you could appreciate yourself in different

50:50

lives and stages and eat. Or it

50:52

doesn't just because he look right there.

50:54

I guess looking at yourself and feeling

50:56

great about that momentum going on. How

50:59

good did I looked and. Will Walk

51:01

on I wear something similar or something

51:03

that makes me feel as good as

51:05

that did. Yeah, need a nice beinn

51:08

styling spicer to be or itself the

51:10

dup dup Hell I'm not how I.

51:12

See, I guess you probably do look

51:14

for yourself with the likely you're either

51:16

it's a win in the city of

51:18

Mumbai. putting you on you're not feeling

51:21

hopeful, a new in your skin be

51:23

probably bookie if you look at the

51:25

alpha kind. Your eyes plenty of hundred and

51:27

you know I was looking I was looking

51:29

gal battle for is no much. Why was

51:31

I in my head about how I look

51:33

thin? Don't get me wrong I look back

51:35

and guy you what the hell were you

51:38

thinking? They're bomb if you. Decide. So rare

51:40

for me to look back on a side of myself

51:42

and be like that Was a great out choice. If

51:44

it's anything more than. Five years or more

51:46

that we use. Your

51:50

the my name's resiliency on there and

51:52

plain jane. Love my boyfriend! I'd I'd

51:54

ordered by that he has. Any time I'll

51:57

look I'll look at our foreign people of

51:59

Iran. I love looking back. I

52:01

had a photo of me when I was 18 and

52:03

I was going to a nightclub. I was wearing a

52:05

floral mini dress and I had leather gloves

52:09

on. I

52:11

laughed at it and I don't feel so embarrassed.

52:13

I was having fun with my fashion at that

52:15

time. Just the more you experiment, you

52:17

probably do look back and think, what was that? I

52:20

would never feel ashamed by it. I think it's great.

52:22

When you said about looking back, I think that you're

52:24

looking at it in a great way. The only reason

52:26

I think that some people need to

52:28

be careful is because I know there's this

52:30

stage that I look back and I'm going

52:32

to admit this. After I

52:35

had Goldie, it was probably like a

52:37

year or so down the track and

52:39

I cut my hair short. I look at it all the

52:41

time and I go, oh, maybe I should cut my hair

52:44

like that again. I know

52:46

the only reason I love those photos is because

52:48

I was skinnier than I am now. Yeah, right.

52:51

I then am like, do

52:54

I just like that because I'm wearing a dress

52:56

that maybe I wouldn't feel comfortable in right now

52:58

or do I actually like my haircut? I think

53:00

that just, we'll top the photo and just wear

53:03

your head around and see if you like that

53:05

for a while. I'm just admitting that sometimes I

53:07

think that, yeah, looking back on ourselves can be

53:09

great. And then other times it's like, oh, sometimes

53:12

it can almost be an even

53:14

more harsh comparison in your mind

53:16

because it's actually you. Yeah, maybe we

53:18

need to not hold on to it and lean

53:20

into the new us. Let's

53:22

talk a little bit about trends. Should

53:24

we be buying into trends? I think

53:27

that sometimes it can be an easy

53:29

way to dress because there's so much

53:31

inspiration out there. So many, you see

53:33

so many ways. For example, it's the

53:35

leopard jeans right now. I

53:37

cannot open Pinterest or Instagram without

53:40

seeing some form of picture

53:42

of how a pair of leopard jeans

53:44

can be styled. Before, you know, a

53:46

couple of months ago, I would have

53:48

been like, they're not very versatile. Now

53:50

I'm like, I have 75 outfits in

53:52

my head that I could wear them with. Do

53:55

we jump on it or should

53:57

we just go, that's going to be

53:59

over? in six weeks time. I'm so

54:01

torn with trends. I think there's a time and

54:03

a place for trends and I think there's a

54:06

person that they're amazing for. If you're maybe

54:08

younger or not even, it's not even 18,

54:10

but you're trying to find a style, then the trends

54:13

can be so helpful because you can experiment

54:15

with like lesson print or there was like

54:17

cottage or there's like clean your aesthetic and

54:19

you can try them all and see what

54:21

you like. But I'm off the trend bandwagon.

54:23

Like the micro trends kill me, I think

54:25

since doing rattle because I see

54:27

them so quickly and I probably tend to see

54:29

them like maybe a little bit earlier than when

54:32

they come out. By the time they're out, I'm

54:34

like, I've got the increment and I think it's

54:36

hard when my eye was tested with lesson print.

54:38

I've got, I've had lesson

54:40

print for years and you're

54:42

not saying. I've been wearing

54:44

lesson for so long. But

54:46

fortunately I have to wait.

54:49

I think it's hard when, okay, when you

54:51

use my friend, for example, she always dressed

54:53

in red, like red was her color and

54:56

now then the red trend comes on

54:58

and she's like, it kind of puts

55:00

you off them. So I think what

55:02

I say to my clients is trends

55:04

are awesome and they're so fun when

55:06

you're experimenting and they are fun. Like I

55:08

love lesson print, I love lesson print but I

55:10

think back to the mum uniform, you've got

55:12

your mum uniform that you love and this

55:15

doesn't have to be, also I

55:17

don't think a mum uniform is like a capsule

55:19

wardrobe. I'm not into capsule wardrobes but you've got

55:21

your uniform. If you want to add some leather

55:23

printer, if you want to add some red, have

55:25

a nod to the trend of my life, a

55:27

lesson print belt or lesson boot. You can

55:29

kind of have fun with it. You don't

55:31

need to be wearing, also you can, you

55:33

don't need to be wearing a lesson repair

55:35

coat and hat, you know, wasting all your

55:37

money. I think the trends just go so

55:40

through so quickly that we just get

55:42

obsessed with them and then they're out.

55:44

And on that topic, I want to

55:46

talk about social media for a second

55:48

because I think that this is where

55:50

a lot of our inspiration can come

55:52

from and I follow a girl that

55:55

is very much into a capsule wardrobe

55:57

and every time she posts like

56:00

she'll go, oh, ripped

56:02

denim jeans are out and plastic heels.

56:04

If you've got plastic heels, they're out.

56:06

Clearly she's kind of English if you

56:08

don't get that by the way I'm

56:10

speaking. Anyway, I'm like, you are,

56:12

you were writing off

56:14

my whole entire wardrobe. And I'm rocking

56:17

that. I love that. So my point

56:19

is if you are watching things and

56:21

they're saying, oh, that's not in all

56:23

that's, it doesn't matter. No. What's for

56:26

you? It's really good. Yeah. Exactly. And

56:28

I, I'm so careful even in groundswatch

56:30

and stuff. Like I'm even careful to

56:32

tell people what I like. Cause

56:35

I'm like, what I like, like lots of

56:37

people would not like what I'm wearing, but

56:39

I think that you can appreciate it. It's

56:41

just, yeah, find what you like.

56:43

And because if someone's wearing, I don't

56:46

know, now I'm going to say something when people are

56:48

going to continue in scenes or whatever like that. Like

56:50

who cares if you're going to feel good in it,

56:52

you wear it and you'll look

56:55

the best. Dr. Liv, it's

56:57

so hard. This is what someone wrote

56:59

in. It's so hard because I'm not working.

57:01

So I'm not earning. Therefore I can't

57:03

afford anything, which means I'm not buying anything

57:05

new that makes me feel good, which then

57:08

leads to further identity loss help.

57:11

So I think in this case

57:14

that is really hard. I think

57:16

that you can do a massive

57:18

wardrobe cleanse. I don't

57:20

know how much this person has in their wardrobe or,

57:23

you know, any of that. But I think go

57:25

through your wardrobe, take it all out,

57:28

try it all on, put things in piles and

57:30

find that you can shop your own wardrobe. You can

57:32

find things that are in there. You're like, you know,

57:34

I can, I can work with you. So shop

57:36

your own wardrobe, figure out the gaps in your

57:39

wardrobe. And then if you

57:41

can maybe, you know, there's, there is

57:43

some really great second hand shops or,

57:45

you know, less expensive shops

57:47

you can shop. And then, yeah, once you've

57:50

seen the gaps in your own wardrobe, if

57:52

you can buy some basics that suit those,

57:54

just the bare minimum and then rotate those

57:56

outfits around. And here's a hot tip. Do

57:59

not try this. this shit on when you

58:01

are stressed, when you are hormonal, which is

58:03

going to limit you. And

58:05

also when it is hot because I have

58:07

tried this and I threw out my whole

58:09

wardrobe because I'm like, I hate you all.

58:12

So, make sure you've got a fan on or

58:14

something. Yeah. And when you're in

58:16

the postpartum, don't wait till I know that

58:18

you're always stretched for time and you're the

58:21

last person you think about. Do not get

58:23

dressed for dinner five minutes before you go

58:25

because the amount of wardrobe tantrums

58:27

I have had and it leaves

58:30

you feeling so, so shit. And no

58:32

matter how good the outfit ends up

58:34

being when you leave the house, it

58:36

ruins your night. You know what my tip

58:38

of that is? When you've got time

58:40

or when you put on a cool outfit, take a

58:42

photo of it, put it in a folder on your

58:44

phone and then you can kind of figure out what

58:46

you're wearing a couple of days before you know you're going

58:48

to dinner. Don't even try it on

58:50

until you've got a full shower, don't you have

58:52

done your makeup and then you put it on.

58:55

That's why I'm getting back to with the photos

58:57

of you whenever in your camera roll. If you

58:59

have saved photos of you looking good at some

59:01

stage, and I know obviously postpartum is different, it

59:03

gives you inspiration in your wardrobe. You know, oh,

59:05

I've got that jumper. Maybe it doesn't go with

59:07

those jeans because I can't fit them, but it

59:09

might go with this skirt. These trousers,

59:12

oh yeah. Yeah. And I love just

59:14

finding an outfit on Pinterest and going, okay, I

59:16

may not have those exact items, but

59:18

as you said, shipping your own wardrobe.

59:20

You know, sometimes it's just a combination

59:22

you haven't thought of or you know,

59:24

it might be a boring white t-shirt,

59:26

but wow, they've elevated to look so

59:28

cool with that item or whatever. And

59:31

I think that you get so much more wear

59:33

out of your wardrobe because you're going back in

59:35

and going, oh, I'm going to pop that with

59:37

that and then with that jacket. And oh my gosh,

59:39

that's an outfit I've never worn together, but there's

59:41

things I just had in my wardrobe myself. And

59:44

I think back on that question where

59:47

and shopping your own wardrobe, I think, and I need

59:50

to like listen to myself here. Having

59:52

your wardrobe really organized, ironed,

59:54

like really crisp, it makes it so much

59:56

easier to then put something out, put it

59:58

on and feel nice in it. Mine's a complete

1:00:00

mess right now, but I actually I'm

1:00:02

a terrible iron. I don't know I

1:00:05

in anything and it's not the point

1:00:07

where it limited so much of the

1:00:09

wardrobe because I Would

1:00:11

pick up something that was wrinkly and

1:00:13

then be like well that just look

1:00:15

Oh, that's even too wrinkly for me

1:00:17

So I've actually started I leave my

1:00:19

iron in my wardrobe now I'm gonna

1:00:21

be downstairs in my laundry because I'm

1:00:23

much more likely if I've got the

1:00:26

time to get dressed I'm more likely

1:00:28

to have the time then to give

1:00:30

the pants a quick iron or give

1:00:32

the t-shirt a quick iron because I

1:00:34

have Come to realize that the difference

1:00:36

a basic white tee looks between being

1:00:39

crinkly and being ironed is just

1:00:41

a whole No, no, welcome to the

1:00:43

club. It's only three children and nearly

1:00:45

33 years to get here But

1:00:48

I just think that actually storing your

1:00:50

iron in your wardrobe makes such a

1:00:52

difference or a steamer or whatever it

1:00:54

is Highly highly suggest a steamer. I

1:00:56

got a really cheap one from Kmart

1:00:59

And I keep it in my wardrobe because

1:01:01

I've got no time to just steam clothes

1:01:03

when I'm putting People's clothes

1:01:05

away. Yeah, it's not hot you turn it

1:01:07

off and it goes down So you're not

1:01:09

gonna like scold a child and honestly, it's

1:01:11

just a yeah, and then you're done you're

1:01:13

out So I find a not not

1:01:15

I end out fit for me is like my

1:01:18

husband does it and I'm like, I can't I

1:01:20

can't look at you My

1:01:22

thing, but you know what I'm doing

1:01:24

for my pre-baby uniform. I'm not in my

1:01:26

anything it needs behind Sometimes

1:01:30

things catch you off guard Yeah I

1:01:32

see people looking fabulous in black clothing and

1:01:34

then any black clothing of mine is so

1:01:36

covered in lint or whatever It's good that

1:01:38

I'm like, okay cool. It looks good until

1:01:41

I wash it and now it just looks

1:01:43

terrible So I always have a lint roller

1:01:45

in there, but that's yet to be used

1:01:48

Another thing to do when you're in your postpartum and you're

1:01:50

in your baby bubble and you figure out your style Write

1:01:53

down a list of boundaries like

1:01:55

I've got cats So no, just because you've

1:01:57

got all the time in the world of

1:02:00

an exercise you've got to find out. I've got cats,

1:02:02

so it's like no black. And then

1:02:04

like, you know, no black. Oh, so you're gonna go no cats,

1:02:06

no kids, no husband. I'll be like, yeah, that's easy. I'd

1:02:09

be looking fabulous every day. Yeah,

1:02:12

right down the list of barriers

1:02:14

that you just, if you're breastfeeding, make

1:02:16

sure that you're top breastfeeding friendly. Then

1:02:19

when you went to the shop or go to find

1:02:21

your five-out, you can see my uniform. You can make sure

1:02:23

that all of that criteria.

1:02:26

So we've got our kind of yes rules

1:02:28

and then our no rules and we try

1:02:30

and stick to that and then it makes

1:02:32

it easier. When is the time to throw

1:02:34

the pre-baby clothes away? Okay,

1:02:38

I've got a good system for this. Clear

1:02:41

out your wardrobe. Again, I know when you've got

1:02:43

a baby, it's like not on top number one

1:02:45

of your priority list and you're so busy, but

1:02:47

if you've got the time, clear out your wardrobe,

1:02:50

make some piles. There's a yes pile,

1:02:52

things you wear all the time. There'll

1:02:54

be a pile that's like, I

1:02:56

love this and I'm not ready to get rid of it,

1:02:58

but I can't say I haven't worn it for the past

1:03:00

year. I put it in a tub and then there's a

1:03:02

no pile that you get to sell those or

1:03:04

to goodbyes or a shop like that. But if

1:03:06

you put it in a tub and then you

1:03:08

leave, I've got three tubs at

1:03:10

the bottom of my wardrobe and then after like

1:03:13

six months and I'm doing my next wardrobe, clear

1:03:15

out, I'll go through those tubs. If I still

1:03:17

am like, I'm not going to use this, then

1:03:19

I'll send that to the elbows. So

1:03:21

you get like a three step phase. I

1:03:23

think we all know that we're going to

1:03:26

throw it out. That's

1:03:28

what it is. That whole tub ends up, it

1:03:30

could probably stuff that you're like, this might fit

1:03:32

me one day. And let me know that I'll

1:03:34

be like, yeah, there's also clothes

1:03:37

that can be called something for me. Hold

1:03:39

on to clothes. So I'm like, oh, I

1:03:41

loved that. Maybe there's another tub to

1:03:43

like sentimental clothes that you just never opened in

1:03:45

your whole entire life that you haven't gotten rid

1:03:47

of. Yeah. And sometimes I look at an item

1:03:49

and I'm like, I wore that throughout my pregnancy.

1:03:52

Like I had a garage sale last weekend

1:03:54

and I sold half my wardrobe and I

1:03:56

know it is a cliche, but the less

1:03:58

you have in your life. wardrobe,

1:04:00

obviously to an extent, the more you

1:04:02

wear and the easier it is to

1:04:04

get dressed in the morning. And I

1:04:07

had items that I still liked, but

1:04:09

I remember them being on my body

1:04:11

while I was pregnant. And because I

1:04:13

hated my pregnancy so much, I honestly,

1:04:16

I cannot, I cannot put them back on my body.

1:04:18

I cannot look at it. I cannot like it. It's

1:04:21

just, but that is a really, it is

1:04:23

a hard point. I generally am

1:04:25

like, okay, don't make any rash

1:04:27

decisions kind of in the first

1:04:30

year. And then by the next year,

1:04:32

once you've gone through a season, say it's like

1:04:34

a summer thing. And this isn't necessarily about you've

1:04:36

got a year to get back to pre baby

1:04:38

size or anything like that. But I think it

1:04:40

gives you that time to get that kind of

1:04:43

into the swing of a bit more of a

1:04:45

normal life. And it's like, okay, if I've gone

1:04:47

through the whole of another summer and I haven't

1:04:49

worn that summer item, then I don't think there's

1:04:52

going to be all of a sudden and need

1:04:54

to wear that. And then you get through a

1:04:56

winter and you're like, okay, we've been through another

1:04:58

winter. I haven't worn those pants. I

1:05:00

think we can agree that they are not

1:05:03

a necessity. No. And you know what? A

1:05:05

friend said to me actually recently when I

1:05:07

was clearing out my wardrobe, she was over.

1:05:09

She said, because I feel like I have a lot

1:05:12

of guilt. Like I feel guilty giving something to the

1:05:14

Salvation Army or we've got a really good shop here

1:05:16

in Melbourne called Goodbyes and you put your clothes down

1:05:18

and you get money back for it. That kind of

1:05:20

thing. I'm always like, oh, I feel guilty. I've set

1:05:22

money on it. And she's like, why do you feel

1:05:25

guilty? It's so good dropping things in the cell box.

1:05:27

That's amazing. And I'm like, oh, maybe

1:05:29

let go of the guilt. I know it probably feels like money

1:05:31

down the drain and you might want that

1:05:33

certain piece again, but let go of the guilt of it

1:05:35

because you're doing a good thing. You're donating

1:05:37

it to charity. Now, if we

1:05:39

are talking about mum hair because

1:05:42

postpartum, we've got one

1:05:44

issue and it's snapped postpartum,

1:05:47

frizzy flyaways. And I feel like we

1:05:49

are always trying to do the mum,

1:05:51

bum, mum, bum. We're always trying to

1:05:53

do the mum, bum, day. We're going

1:05:55

back to bum. Can't help it. We'll

1:05:57

do an episode all on bum. So,

1:06:01

Mum Bunch, but do

1:06:04

we cut our hair to get like a fresh,

1:06:06

I'm looking at you, you've got a fresh cut.

1:06:08

I did it. Yeah. So, this is what I

1:06:10

say with the Mum Bunch. I

1:06:12

have always had long hair and I was

1:06:14

so scared to cut my hair, but I

1:06:16

had, I didn't have like nice long hair. My

1:06:19

hair was got so racy, I thought it was

1:06:21

falling out. I've got really curly hair. It was

1:06:23

dying. I was like, what am I doing? Trying

1:06:25

to like hold on to these like luscious long

1:06:28

hair that looks so dead. I chopped it. I

1:06:30

haven't looked back. You look, but how do you,

1:06:33

how do you, because you don't, like that doesn't look

1:06:35

like a Mum Bob to

1:06:37

me. Because someone wrote in saying,

1:06:39

I don't want the Mum Bob,

1:06:42

but I feel like my long hair

1:06:44

is scraggly. And every time I try

1:06:46

and do the Mum bun, I just

1:06:49

end up having fly away hairs everywhere

1:06:51

because of postpartum hair loss. So, how

1:06:53

do you do the chop without it

1:06:55

looking like, too mumpy? I'm

1:06:57

not a hairdresser. I think it's the length. I

1:07:00

think people, people do the chop and they

1:07:02

get too nervous. They got a hairdresser. I'm never

1:07:04

sure, but maybe just got it here. I

1:07:06

think you either have long hair or you have a

1:07:08

bob like my chin. And

1:07:11

I've had it, I've done that. I've gone to the hairdresser and

1:07:13

be like, oh, I'm going to go short. So let's do

1:07:15

it in stages. And then I just got this

1:07:17

like awkward middle stage where I'm like, I look

1:07:19

like a mum. Not that it's special, it's mum.

1:07:21

We are mums. That's kind of

1:07:23

like the mum bob. But I think if you're going

1:07:25

to, if you're going to chop your hair, chop your

1:07:27

hair. Don't be around the bush. Your hair's going

1:07:29

to grow anyway. I can get a mob. I've

1:07:31

had something done recently and look, it was

1:07:33

kindly gifted and I know it's quite expensive.

1:07:36

So it may not be accessible to everyone,

1:07:38

but I got a semi-permanent hair straightening

1:07:41

and it's like a high maintenance hack to look

1:07:43

low maintenance. So now I can literally

1:07:45

get out of the shower. My hair

1:07:47

can air dry and it looks nice

1:07:49

and smooth for days. Whereas before I

1:07:51

liked how my hair would air dry

1:07:53

on the first day, but then once

1:07:55

I slept on it, it had to

1:07:57

go up. Like it was frizzy and

1:07:59

really big. large and I have a

1:08:01

lot of thick hair. So if that is something

1:08:03

that is within your means, I highly recommend it.

1:08:05

It lasts six months. I justify it to myself

1:08:07

because I don't dye my hair, but I do

1:08:10

that with lots of things. I'm like, I can

1:08:12

get my brows laminated because I don't pay to

1:08:14

have my hair dyed. I can get this done.

1:08:16

I'm like, where does this end? Yeah, I don't

1:08:18

dye my hair. And you know what's funny with the

1:08:20

bob, I used to get really great. When my hair

1:08:22

was longer, I would have to wash it.

1:08:24

It would get really greasy. I'd have to

1:08:27

straighten it every day because I've got really

1:08:29

curly hair. For some reason, maybe because it's

1:08:31

healthier. Let's talk again when I'm breastfeeding. I'm

1:08:33

helpful. Because

1:08:35

it's healthier now. I feel like I've washed

1:08:37

it less and I straighten it like once.

1:08:39

And then I just brush it to the

1:08:42

next stage. One thing I do love about

1:08:44

the short bob is your hair is a

1:08:46

style within itself. And I feel like you

1:08:48

can get away. Not

1:08:50

that you wear basic outfits, but you can

1:08:53

wear really basic outfits. And your hair is

1:08:55

like a bold necklace or your hair is

1:08:59

like a cool hair bag. It's an accessory

1:09:01

within itself. I felt like

1:09:03

three once I cut my hair because I was always

1:09:06

trying to think what hairstyle would go with this or

1:09:08

what. And I'm like, now I don't even have to

1:09:10

think about it. I've only got one option. But if

1:09:12

you're not going to do, like if you don't feel

1:09:14

confident in cutting your hair completely fair enough. Another thing

1:09:17

is I would just flick to do the sleek crony

1:09:19

and you use the slick sticks and all of that.

1:09:21

Lots of gel every day. You can get the little

1:09:23

slick sticks. I think sports girl, I think

1:09:26

you can get them in chemists, but

1:09:28

also you can get hairspray. You can

1:09:31

use gel, put it on your pomade.

1:09:33

That works with a smoothing brush. And

1:09:35

you can just literally slick it all

1:09:37

back. And then once it's actually in

1:09:39

the bun, the slick bun, you can

1:09:41

then go again with your really soft

1:09:44

bristle brush and go over

1:09:46

it. And it gets all

1:09:48

the flyways back and you're like, okay. And

1:09:50

then you don't actually have to wash your

1:09:52

hair because the greasier it is, the better.

1:09:54

And it's offing your hairs on its worst

1:09:56

hair day. And I generally get the most

1:09:58

confident. They're like, Oh, where are you? going? I'm

1:10:00

like, oh mate, if you knew what was

1:10:02

in this thing, this has got an ecosystem

1:10:04

of its own in here. I

1:10:07

do miss being able to flick my hair out.

1:10:09

Oh, do you know what you would look really

1:10:11

cute with? And I'm sure you probably do it.

1:10:14

Those little clips in your hair. I

1:10:16

do need to buy some. You would look

1:10:18

so cute. Yeah, I've seen people with the

1:10:20

bob with the clips and I need to

1:10:22

actually buy some. You need to do that

1:10:24

and we need a photo. Do you think

1:10:26

there's anything we've missed? I think that's been

1:10:28

fantastic. It's been so fun. So fun. I

1:10:30

think it's like a just no-brawl chit chat

1:10:32

that we've had. Imagine, here we go, imagine

1:10:35

if we all got on a bus

1:10:37

and went on a bumpies style

1:10:39

shopping spree. That would be so fun. Oh

1:10:41

God, that would be so fun. We could

1:10:43

just even do a styling session. Yeah. We

1:10:46

want the styling session guys. Who wants a

1:10:48

bumpy styling session? Get in our Facebook Facebook group

1:10:50

and let us know. And give us ideas of

1:10:53

how we can do it. Yes, and if you can

1:10:55

leave the way for us. So

1:10:58

it's winter wear and the whole day. Oh, that

1:11:00

would be so fun. All right, leave this with

1:11:02

us. Well, I think that's everything today.

1:11:04

This has been so fun. I feel

1:11:06

like often there's always an element of

1:11:08

like a bit dark. So this has

1:11:10

been so light and amazing. And everything

1:11:12

I said, with a grain of salt.

1:11:14

Totally. I think that's the thing. I

1:11:17

think if you're happy and you're active

1:11:19

wear in what you're wearing, just do

1:11:21

it. Feel good. Thank you so much.

1:11:23

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