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Yes,

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everyone, what's happening? Welcome to Beef's Golf Club,

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where I'm currently sat in

1:03

the

1:08

clubhouse on my own. But don't

1:11

worry about that because I've got a slightly

1:13

different podcast today and I am buzzing.

1:16

As it's Rider Cup week, we're putting

1:18

rivalries aside. Well, we're kind

1:20

of putting them aside because we've

1:22

teamed up with PGA Tour winner and commentator

1:24

Smiley Coffman. He's the host of

1:26

his own amazing podcast, The Smiley Show,

1:29

so make sure you give him a follow for some amazing

1:31

weekly insight on what's happening in the world of golf.

1:34

He has some top-named guests as well on his show, so

1:36

check it out. I've known Smiley for quite

1:38

a long time now. He's just like

1:41

me, laid back, really chilled, loves a good

1:43

laugh. He literally used to ring me up

1:45

with a few of his mates

1:46

after a few drinks and just

1:49

shout beef at me for a minute and

1:51

then put the phone down. It was quite strange, but

1:54

I weirdly enjoyed it. Anyway, today

1:56

we're previewing Luke Donald's European

1:58

team and tomorrow we're looking at some...

1:59

Johnson's US team. So everyone

2:02

make sure But

2:05

for now, here is the Team Europe preview to

2:08

get you in the mood. Let's go! So

2:17

guys, today we are collaborating with

2:19

a very special podcast, The

2:21

Smiley Show, which means of course I'm

2:23

joined by PJ Tor winner, commentator

2:26

and just all round top guy, Smiley

2:28

Klosman. How are you, mate? My

2:32

man, what's the word? Oh

2:36

my gosh. I mean, this

2:38

has been long overdue. I feel like you

2:41

and I are spirit animals on different tours. We

2:43

kind of carry the same flag, you know what I

2:47

mean? We're

2:50

the golden retrievers of each tour. I think it's a good

2:52

way of putting it. We're

2:55

going to have to understand that. Tell me what does that

2:57

mean? Are you familiar with golden

2:59

retrievers? I know it's a dog. Yeah,

3:01

it's a dog. And typically their personality

3:04

is very happy, happy go

3:06

lucky, you know, just really

3:09

typically always a smile on their face, kind

3:11

of happy to talk to whoever. And I think

3:14

that's kind of our personalities. We're definitely more golden

3:17

retriever than we are a mad

3:19

German shepherd I would say. So that's

3:22

typically us, Jimmy. We're always going to smile on our

3:24

face and we love to have a good time,

3:27

most importantly. A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

3:29

And it was a history of a few good times. Oh,

3:32

gosh. All

3:36

right. So, I mean, we're on different time

3:38

zones for the most part, you know, but it's six

3:40

or seven hours depending on where I am in the United

3:42

States and same with you and your travel. And

3:45

it all started, you and

3:47

I, first off, our relationship

3:50

really between who

3:53

caddied for me, Will Davidson. And he caddied

3:55

for you for how many years did Will caddy

3:57

for you? Oh, it was wow. Yeah, it was a good

3:59

two years. Yeah, yeah, but you were

4:01

playing like some of your best golf as well, right? Yeah,

4:04

definitely. Yeah. Yeah He was he was

4:06

the link. I used to love world, you know Every

4:08

time would play a bunch of tournaments

4:10

he'd go back. He'd always bring me something

4:13

back Generally, it was either some

4:15

like beef jerky some

4:17

kind of moonshine Legal.

4:20

Yeah, all the time barbecue rubs.

4:23

Yeah, he was always bringing some wicked stuff back

4:25

over man Well,

4:28

I mean and and I think when

4:30

you and I would communicate outside

4:32

of will it would be on FaceTime It

4:35

typically when we were would be at the bars

4:38

at like two or three in the morning And

4:41

it was it didn't matter if it was

4:43

you know nine in the morning or whatever

4:45

time it was You were picking up the phone and I was

4:47

picking up the phone and we were just gonna let

4:50

each other have it You know, just like what's up,

4:52

man? Like what do you do? It's like I just

4:54

woke up. I'm drinking coffee What are you doing? Like oh

4:57

that was a mate's man. Just points

4:59

a bit That's

5:01

all it went for I mean, how

5:03

many years did we do this like every

5:06

other month? Honestly,

5:08

I used to like the phone used to go off and I used

5:10

to see it was your number and be like, oh I

5:13

know what time it is. I know what's going on exactly

5:15

know what's going on There was never a time

5:18

you called and picked up the phone and just went

5:20

how you doing, mate? You're right And

5:28

a lot of you know who got in on it was it

5:31

was anytime I was with JT or Jordan

5:34

And Ricky at times too. Anytime

5:36

we had a couple too many it was like no

5:38

brainer We're calling beef and we're just yelling beef

5:41

even if it like the room was so loud We couldn't hear

5:44

you we would just scream at you for like two

5:46

minutes and then we'd hang up I Why

5:53

I never hung up earlier I just used to watch

5:55

it and things like alright they're done now and that was

5:57

it God Yeah, it's like what are they even doing

5:59

tonight? But you would have too like it was definitely

6:01

it was a two-way street and I was always

6:03

happy to answer the phone and It

6:06

was yeah good times and one of my actually

6:08

one of my best friends he was a like

6:10

a as big of a beef supporter as there

6:12

ever has been and He kind

6:15

of felt like so Shane Lowry was kind

6:17

of his his guy on the European tour until

6:19

you came around He's like hold on. Okay.

6:22

I like beef more because he like meets he like

6:24

meats more and he likes cooking

6:26

stuff So he's like, alright, that's my guy and

6:29

then the RBS partnership came about

6:31

and now he was like wait Okay,

6:34

be do from England's got an RV

6:36

sponsorship like hold on. What's the deal here? So

6:39

for Halloween and this is probably five

6:42

years ago He was you for Halloween

6:44

and I don't think you've ever seen this picture before You

6:47

ready for it? Yeah, go on show me. I'll

6:49

go see this I Mean

6:55

look at that look at the beard look

6:57

at the RBS. Okay, I mean like These

7:01

are two guys cut from the same cloth right here I

7:03

mean these guys know like they know

7:06

what they're getting that at RBS. They're getting the motts

7:08

sticks They're getting the they're getting all

7:10

the roast beef sandwiches like the beef and cheddars

7:13

and I mean you're an inspiration to my boy I

7:16

mean, this is a it's not one of my best friends

7:18

were talking about and you're his hero I

7:20

mean he's pulled it off so well. I always

7:23

consider it doing a DNA test

7:27

Unfortunately when we're at the bar that night not none

7:29

of the I guess none of the chicks knew there's

7:31

like what who are you? Who

7:36

are you supposed to be? They're

7:39

like who Maybe

7:41

like a guy or two would come

7:43

up be like oh, yeah But

7:47

maybe we need to we need to get the RBS

7:49

beef roots a little deeper here in Alabama apparently

7:51

cuz it was uh Quite hit

7:54

for him that night, but it sure was a great bit

8:00

I can't believe you've just absolutely done me like that.

8:02

Oh my gosh man.

8:08

Well yeah great times man, great

8:10

times. We could do that for hours over a

8:13

pint if you will. Yeah

8:15

I think we should. Well

8:19

mate apart from all

8:21

the legendary stories and times, it's

8:24

right a cup week. Heck yeah baby. It's

8:26

the Super Bowl. It's the Super Bowl, it is

8:28

yeah. And today why don't

8:30

we have a look into Team Europe and then

8:32

tomorrow we could dive into Team USA.

8:35

Let's do it. What is the excitement like

8:38

for you guys here? Obviously you've just called it yeah

8:40

the Super Bowl. It's the biggest thing

8:43

I'll say in golf right? Yeah. Well

8:45

it's the biggest thing in golf. The only kind of

8:47

team game apart from presidents but

8:50

the only kind of team game there is

8:52

like this. It's amazing.

8:55

It is and I think match point itself, I mean

8:57

these guys just get so pumped up. They're

8:59

so out of their element and I've

9:01

talked to some sports psychologists,

9:04

talked to players and

9:06

there's something about the

9:08

Ryder Cup that brings the best out of guys

9:11

and I think the combination of match play,

9:14

not having to necessarily be focused on

9:16

stroke play

9:18

golf. Typically you're kind of wound up. It's

9:20

a 72 hole event and it's different

9:22

when you're sitting there looking at one

9:25

player or two players and it's

9:27

a different format. Really

9:29

you show up and you

9:31

just feel like you got to beat the guy in front of you and

9:34

you feel like there's a game within

9:36

the game. You feel like experience can play

9:39

a part. You feel like your partner,

9:41

there's ways that we've

9:43

seen like with Sergio Garcia over

9:46

the years. Just the gamesmanship,

9:48

the game within the game and I think that is the

9:50

coolest thing about the Ryder Cup that

9:52

maybe you and I might be able

9:54

to pick up on but like when you're watching

9:57

on TV and you're like wow, that guy's

9:59

slow playing him. right now. You know, like there's definitely

10:02

things that happen at

10:04

the Ryder Cup but you know, as far as

10:06

just the United States go and are

10:08

just how you look at the Ryder Cup, you

10:10

know, the Masters has always been number one but

10:13

I don't think Ryder Cup, I think the Ryder Cup

10:15

is probably pretty close at number two because

10:17

it's such good quality TV and it's

10:20

just, it's a different atmosphere, it sounds

10:23

different, it sounds like a football game or football

10:25

game where you're from and it just, just

10:27

the atmosphere is just unmatched. Yeah, definitely.

10:30

I've explained it in that situation where it is.

10:33

Like, usually when you play a golf tournament,

10:36

the crowds kind of, they'll have like their favourites

10:38

but they'll support everyone. If someone comes and

10:40

makes a birdie, everyone's cheering, right? It's a good

10:42

shot. But this is one of the only

10:44

few where, yeah, there's

10:46

gonna be a bigger cheer depending if

10:49

you're gonna be playing in Europe or America for the certain

10:51

teams. It's a completely different

10:54

context of, it's

10:56

the closest thing to that kind of football.

10:59

My football is the closest thing. Yeah, for

11:01

sure. You know a lot of the guys who

11:03

are gonna be teeing it up, a few

11:06

of the guys really well as well. How

11:09

will they begin into this week feeling, mate? Well,

11:12

just the American guys that I know, I mean, I

11:15

think there's a level of comfort in

11:17

knowing what, first

11:20

off, what they're gonna get out of themselves but knowing

11:22

what they're gonna get out of their partner. I

11:24

don't think there's gonna be a stage

11:27

of necessarily freaking out in

11:29

a big stage. A lot of times these players

11:31

talk about how nervous they get on the first tee, how

11:34

nervous they can be throughout the day.

11:36

But I think with how much

11:38

these guys have played with each other, I think

11:41

there's gonna be a lot of confidence between

11:43

some of these pairings that they have. We're talking

11:46

Scottie Scheffler and Sam Burns. These are two of their,

11:49

they've played junior golf together their entire

11:51

life. And same with Jordan Spieth and

11:53

JT, Patrick Canlay and Xander

11:55

Schaffly. So we have some automatic

11:57

pairings, I think, as far as how other

12:00

prepping and getting it ready for the week.

12:02

I think there's just this level of comfort knowing what they're

12:04

gonna get out of their partner. We're from the Europe

12:07

side. I'm curious from your opinion,

12:09

there's not necessarily like this obvious

12:12

pairing on the team Europe that

12:14

I just I look at the sheet and of

12:16

all 12 guys and I said, yeah,

12:19

I could see them playing with them. I could see them playing with them

12:21

but there's no like just set in stone

12:23

pairing like we know we're gonna get from the US. Yeah,

12:26

I would agree with that. Yeah, I definitely

12:29

agree with that and I think

12:31

you'll see definitely looked on like

12:33

the parents that have been thinking about a lot.

12:35

I know I've heard they've done a lot of sort

12:37

of stats and

12:39

work on on parents and who's

12:42

gonna play together. Obviously, they're gonna have a good

12:44

idea but there's none where

12:46

you could have picked them sort of three

12:49

pairings straight away six months ago. As soon

12:52

as you made the Ryder Cup, wherever it is, you knew exactly

12:54

what there is. I think there'll be a sort of a little

12:56

bit more sort of tinkering

12:58

around with the pairings

13:02

and they've definitely got a looks

13:05

obviously got to try his best to get them get

13:07

them right for the Ryder Cup.

13:10

But you look how many good players are informed for

13:12

Europe. Oh goodness. It's

13:15

endless right now. Yeah, there's a hell of

13:17

a lot of good players in

13:20

great form at the moment and I think that's what

13:23

makes this Ryder Cup so special. I think

13:25

both teams are so

13:28

strong. If you're gonna look on paper, you

13:30

probably say America's

13:32

slightly stronger on paper. I think

13:35

you look at the form side of Europe, it's

13:37

in Europe. I just got a feeling this is gonna

13:40

be an absolute classic. I really do. I

13:42

can't, people have asked me

13:44

who's gonna win this? Who would you put a bet on?

13:46

I don't have a clue. Honestly, just

13:48

sit back and watch this one. I think it's gonna come down like

13:50

the last match. Yeah, yeah. 100%.

13:53

Well, and you just kind of referenced the form

13:56

team Europe has been in and we

13:58

kind of before the BMW, championship,

14:01

T-Times came out, we saw all 12 of

14:03

Team Europe players

14:06

were playing at the BMW and

14:08

I thought it was really smart first

14:10

for the DP World Tour to pair all the guys

14:12

together Thursday, Friday and then the fact

14:14

that none of them missed the cut and then they had seven

14:17

top tens and I know it stretched a

14:19

little bit past ten but still, I mean

14:21

that's the form you're referencing but do

14:23

you think there's a, I kind of think

14:26

as a player when you get to see all

14:28

your guys playing together in a tournament

14:30

right before, to me that

14:32

as a player that just seems like that means

14:34

something, the fact that they all kind of got to see each

14:37

other play live a week before.

14:39

Yeah, yeah definitely. I think

14:42

you can tell from the offset that Europe

14:45

are going for this, they're really going for

14:47

it. They know how strong the American

14:50

team is and they're going for it and they're going to throw

14:53

everything they've got and see what any

14:55

kind of, there's no stones

14:57

unturned in this. There's literally no

14:59

stones, there's no stones, they can't afford

15:02

to I mean with the team you guys

15:04

have. So yeah, as I said they're playing together

15:06

this, I mean I'm just

15:08

honestly, I'm just buzzing mate, I'm absolutely

15:10

buzzing for this one. I really am, I just,

15:12

I keep thinking about yeah, the pairings,

15:15

the games, the matches, the matchups

15:17

you could have and it's off

15:19

the chart. I think we should have a little chat about the

15:21

team Europe. This

15:24

is what the team looks like, the automatic

15:26

qualifiers, Rory McElroy, Jon

15:29

Rahm, Tyrrell Hatton, Victor

15:31

Hovland, Matt Fitzpatrick,

15:33

Bob McIntyre. They were

15:35

the automatics and then Luke Donald's

15:37

picks were Tommy Fleetwood, Nikolai

15:40

Hoggard, Shane Lowry, Justin

15:42

Rose, Sepp Strachka, Ludwig

15:45

Aberg and there's

15:47

one there which we

15:49

both don't know too much about is Aberg.

15:54

Yeah, no, as

15:56

far as this team has been put together,

16:00

So, if you would have told me back in March,

16:03

what would Team Europe look like? I

16:05

would have said, well, you know what?

16:08

They're gonna have some really nice stuff at the top. Just

16:10

depends on, you know, how well their

16:13

four, five, six guy play because they feel

16:15

like they're gonna have to ride, you

16:17

know, eight players or so to win this

16:19

Ryder Cup. But as the months

16:22

have come on, as we talked about, this

16:24

team has really rounded into form not

16:26

only with

16:28

just like overall top talent, but

16:31

it's the back half of the lineup that Europe hasn't

16:33

had as far as just the young talent. And

16:36

we saw a glimpse of that, a couple

16:38

Ryder Cups. We saw it back

16:40

in at Medina with Thomas Peters.

16:43

He was a young guy that Darren Clark took a chance

16:45

on. And then we saw it with Padre Harrington

16:47

taking Victor Havelin, who was, I believe

16:50

he qualified, but still he was a young star

16:53

that was totally, you knew it was gonna

16:55

be an up and coming big time player.

16:57

But now, we have a couple more

16:59

guys entering the fray and a

17:02

guy like Nicolay Huygard and

17:04

talking about Ludwig Eberg.

17:07

I don't really know much about their games because I

17:09

haven't seen him play. So, have

17:11

you played with these two guys yet or no? No,

17:14

I've never played with them. I've seen Huygard a few times

17:17

and spent time with him

17:19

and his brother. And

17:21

again, I think you'll see him

17:23

go into the four ball in the

17:25

first day. I think he

17:28

hits it a long way. And I think

17:30

if he plays well, obviously, he

17:32

has that opportunity to make a lot of birdies. Yeah,

17:35

and be aggressive. Same as Bob McIntyre

17:37

as well. I'd say Bob's kind of similar

17:40

there. I think he's

17:42

gonna be a player where we're really surprised the Americans

17:44

as well. He's a player that I can

17:47

really see won't back down. I've played with him a couple

17:49

of times. He will not back down from taking a

17:51

shot on or his sort

17:54

of mid-range putting when he gets

17:56

going can be deadly as well. So I think

17:59

he's gonna be a... real surprise in

18:01

this rod a cup. That's super interesting

18:04

you talk about the mid-range putting because

18:06

when I look at Team Europe

18:08

and why I think if they win, I think

18:10

it's going to be because of their putting. When I look

18:12

down the list, there's only a couple of weak links with the

18:15

putter and we've seen

18:17

Tommy Fleetwood have good weeks of the putter. I would

18:19

say that's probably his biggest issue

18:21

right now is not being able to quite hold those

18:25

big putts to win tournaments. I

18:27

can look on the USA team

18:29

and think wow, they got some guys that are putting

18:31

very good where I feel like this

18:33

Europe team has got some putters. Would you tend to

18:35

agree with that? Yeah, 100% yeah.

18:39

They're stacked with good putters

18:42

in this European team. You look at John Rahm,

18:44

Hatton, Fitzpatrick,

18:47

McIntyre, Lowry, if he

18:49

gets going, I mean yeah there's some serious

18:53

putters there and good players. Rose

18:56

too man. Justin Rose. When he's

18:58

putting good, it is stupid. I

19:00

just love his putting action too. Sep's

19:03

a good putter. First off, he's the

19:05

only guy on Team Europe with a southern draw.

19:07

I can tell you that right now. He

19:10

is a Georgia boy. He lives

19:12

about five minutes away from my house and

19:15

seeing him play for

19:17

Team Europe, it's kind of weird in the fact that I know

19:19

his parents and he was born in Austria

19:22

but still to me he's a Georgia Bulldog.

19:24

He's an Atlanta Braves guy. It's just kind of odd to see

19:26

him over here but he's a heck of a player

19:28

that I know Luke Donald's happy to have. I

19:30

didn't realize, I knew he was born in

19:32

Austria. I didn't realize he spent most of his life in

19:34

the States. Yeah, he got it. Next door to you

19:37

as well. Well that's

19:39

he met a girl and

19:42

she went to Auburn and then they moved here in Birmingham.

19:45

So they, yeah, we literally

19:47

have the same area code. So

19:52

you're living in a place at the moment called Birmingham.

19:55

Wait, hold on. Say it again, just

19:57

so I can hear it. How do you pronounce it?

20:00

Birmingham? Yeah, I live in Birmingham.

20:02

I'm going to say they're spelled the same. Yeah, they are spelled the same

20:04

and sometimes we call it Bham, we

20:07

call it the ham. I

20:14

have not heard anybody call it Birmingham. No

20:18

way. Well, you wouldn't understand if someone

20:20

actually from Birmingham said they were from Birmingham,

20:22

you would literally have no idea what they're saying. Well,

20:25

I could tell them I saw picky blinders. Does that

20:27

help? Yeah, there you go. There you go. Exactly.

20:31

So we've actually got something in common because Beefs Golf

20:34

Club is in Birmingham. Okay, so

20:36

it's in Birmingham. So what does that mean? Yeah, it's

20:39

based like y'all. If I write you a letter,

20:41

that's where it ends up or what? You're

20:44

from Birmingham, Beefs Golf Club is in Birmingham.

20:46

I mean, what a thing in common that is. I

20:48

mean, we need to like print the t-shirts, right? Like,

20:51

like it's just the, you know, the shaking hands emoji

20:53

with Birmingham and Birmingham maybe

20:56

even like spell it the way we spell it. And

20:59

yeah, I think that's a t-shirt way to happen,

21:01

right? Do you ever have things? I know

21:03

they have it in like England and in Europe where they

21:05

have like sort of, if you're driving

21:08

in the countryside, they might have sort of like

21:11

a partner from a French town and

21:13

it'd be like a, they're kind of like

21:16

a partner and you see this like little sign

21:18

saying, I don't know what exactly it says,

21:20

but it'd be like Cornwall, so and

21:22

so partnered with another French town or whatever.

21:24

What's it called, Ryan? It's called Twinned

21:27

with. Twinned with, yeah.

21:29

So you'd see a town and it might be a little town

21:31

in England twinned with a town from like France

21:34

or somewhere else in Europe or another place

21:36

in England. Maybe it should be Birmingham

21:39

twinned with Birmingham. Maybe

21:42

they have the t-shirts. Maybe so, but I

21:45

mean, from what I've seen in Peaky Blinders, I

21:47

don't really see the resemblance but

21:50

maybe, maybe there is some. But

21:53

speaking of driving down the road, I

21:55

drove from, let's see,

21:57

the Scottish Open to Liverpool for the

21:59

Open. championship this year and when

22:02

I say drove, it's my first time driving

22:04

on the other side of the road and the other side

22:06

of you know driving on

22:09

the right side of the car versus the left and

22:12

you first off y'all's two-way

22:14

roads they're entirely too small and

22:17

I felt like I was gonna die every single

22:19

time a car was coming from the other way.

22:21

I would have to slow down so the speed limit

22:24

was whatever. I'm going 30 underneath

22:26

it just gripping the steering wheel 10 and 2

22:28

as hard as I possibly can to

22:30

try to not get hit by this oncoming car

22:33

and I kept looking the wrong way

22:36

too because I'm used to looking right

22:38

always but now I'm looking left for my

22:40

cars and driving

22:43

on the other side of the road over there it

22:45

freaked me out so bad. Yeah

22:47

man I'm not surprised it's so different.

22:50

My experience here when you get out and you

22:53

see it in America in the first

22:55

time and you're sitting in a car that's the size

22:57

of a bus and there's six

22:59

lanes and you've got this space

23:02

yeah compared to that I'm

23:04

not surprised you absolutely shit yourself. Wait

23:07

I'm actually thinking my looking left

23:09

or my looking right I just I think I

23:12

got this confused but whatever whichever

23:14

way is the correct way I got confused with

23:16

it over there because I'm looking I'm used to obviously

23:19

looking the way I have my whole life over here. Oh

23:21

man I think we could drift off quite easily

23:23

on conversations and topics mate we're

23:26

supposed to be speaking about team Europe but we're

23:28

speaking about making t-shirts. Let's

23:32

bring it back to golf I think there

23:35

was sort of a not an uproar

23:37

a bit of a bit of chat about Lowry getting

23:39

picked what do you think about that? I

23:41

thought Shane Lowry was the correct pick I

23:43

think what he brings to the

23:45

table is a guy that the

23:48

PGA Tour players in Team USA

23:50

is super familiar with and they know

23:52

exactly what they're getting out of Shane. I

23:55

think if for instance if

23:57

Adrian Moroc was picked I think

23:59

the United States would have felt comfortable going

24:01

to play Adrian Moroch and that's nothing

24:03

against how good of a player he is but I

24:06

think just knowing that Shane Lowry has won an open

24:08

championship, won so many times on

24:10

the on the DP World Tour and as

24:12

well as the PGA Tour, I think

24:14

you know what type of player you're getting

24:16

in Shane and I think that's

24:19

super important when it comes to this team Europe.

24:21

You know you already were gonna take Lou Big

24:23

Aberg and you end up taking Nicolai Hoeygaard. Now

24:26

if you go and leave Shane Lowry off the

24:28

list and you take Adrian Moroch, there's another

24:30

first-timer for Luke Donald and

24:33

not saying that that the difference of

24:35

play might be crazy different but

24:37

you have Bob McIntyre who's the first-time player as

24:39

well. I just think experience

24:42

when you're talking about just a guy

24:44

that maybe a rookie might be able

24:46

to, a rookie for the Ryder Cup might be

24:49

able to play with. I think that I think that means

24:51

something when you're talking about the last pick or

24:53

one of the later picks for for

24:55

Luke Donald's team. Yeah I thought

24:58

the last Ryder Cup as well, he played

25:01

really well and you could show he was a player that sort

25:03

of fronted up against the crowd

25:05

and everything like that so yeah playing a home

25:07

one, I personally

25:09

would have picked him as well. Yeah yeah I

25:12

agree. Previous experiences, 100%. What other

25:15

players would you say the US

25:17

team would be concerned about

25:20

or players that would sort of be

25:22

not licking their lips but looking like I

25:24

wouldn't mind facing that pairing or that player

25:27

there? Well I mean obviously

25:29

I think the team Europe is so top heavy

25:31

and I think the middle of

25:34

the lineup you're talking about guys like

25:36

Matthew Fitzpatrick and Tyrell Hatton that need

25:38

to really be informed for I feel

25:40

like Europe to really take

25:42

that next step here to get

25:45

to win this Ryder Cup but when you're talking

25:47

about guys are looking at I mean you got to go look at

25:49

just you know guys who aren't quite

25:52

as informed you know Justin Rose is

25:54

the guy that I think guys will be happy

25:57

to play against even though they know exactly what they're

25:59

getting. Think just as

26:01

far as form goes, you know Justin Rose

26:03

has probably been lower on the totem pole compared to

26:05

the rest of team Europe Luv you gay

26:07

burg has been on a rocket ship. I'm curious to see

26:10

who he plays with I Don't I

26:12

don't think any of the guys really know a ton about Nikolai

26:14

Huygård. I really don't know I Don't

26:17

think they're I think they're gonna be surprised at how

26:19

good he is I think typically

26:22

when you see it a name that

26:24

you've never seen before you just don't have any expectations

26:27

and You expect to

26:29

go beat a guy you've never played with or

26:31

played against especially a young guy and

26:36

And just lastly I would say Bob McIntyre would

26:38

be another guy that they would think they would probably

26:40

win against but You you made a good

26:42

point talking about how fiery of a competitor he is

26:44

similar to kind of Brian Harmon the fact that they're Both

26:46

good putters. I Don't necessarily

26:49

see a weak link on either team I'm not trying

26:51

to say that that either these any

26:53

of these guys are weak links I would just reference

26:56

form and experience is probably the two factors.

26:59

I'm looking at Yeah, yeah

27:01

a hundred percent A-bird bid

27:03

on a rocket ship I mean have

27:06

you have you seen him play because I know he's played a few

27:08

events in the States Have you seen

27:10

him play? I've seen him play a little bit

27:12

at the US amateur last year it had

27:14

a up in New Jersey and I

27:17

immediately Like I

27:19

was telling everybody in the compound. I was

27:21

like, all right I know who the three two were players

27:24

are here and Ludwig Ebert was one of them and

27:26

It was just so obvious his talent just the what

27:29

his golf ball looked like in the air Just

27:31

the his size. He just is an athlete,

27:33

you know, he's not a God

27:36

that that you look at and you're like, you know, he's

27:38

not just physically impressed he's he

27:40

really he looks the part and

27:42

his talent matches up but man,

27:45

I'm really interested to see who he gets paired

27:47

with because I see so much

27:49

of of Thomas Peters in him and

27:52

This Ryder Cup as far as it let's say

27:54

if Lou big a bird didn't You

27:56

know play so well like he did over the last month

27:58

or so and went on the deep PPU World Tour, I

28:01

still think he was getting a pick. Really?

28:04

And I would have – I do think Aberg gets a pick

28:07

just with his upside that he brings

28:10

and I think a lot of people

28:12

speculated that too that he still might

28:14

get a pick even if he didn't win. And

28:19

the reason why I mentioned Thomas Peters is that

28:21

similar back to that Ryder Cup in Medina,

28:25

Thomas Peters was well down the list. Like

28:27

he was not like right on the cusp of making

28:30

it. Darren Cart reached and grabbed him. He brought

28:32

him onto the team. He said, you know what, like you're

28:34

talented enough to – you've

28:36

played against these guys. You know exactly –

28:39

we know what we're going to get out of you. And what he did was he

28:41

paired with – Darren compared

28:44

Thomas Peters with Roy McRoy. And he went 4-1 that

28:46

week. They only lost one match. Thomas

28:49

Peters won his singles match. And I

28:51

just see that trajectory with a little bit of Aberg. I

28:53

just think that to me is similar

28:55

to what we might see with Aberg, whether he plays with

28:58

Rory. I still think you stick him

29:00

with a top player. Yeah, yeah,

29:02

yeah. Yeah, there was

29:04

talks about him playing practice

29:07

round. He took on a little match with –

29:10

he paired up with Victor Hovland. That

29:12

was – That's pretty

29:14

good too. I've had Victor and Tommy

29:17

Fleetwood pegged together in my head. Maybe I'm way off

29:19

on that. They played two years ago in the Ryder Cup. But

29:21

still, I don't think that's

29:23

a bad combination by any means. No,

29:26

no, I think it's a great combination. Literally

29:28

everyone who's had a word to say

29:30

about him said – like you – he said he's an absolute

29:33

flusher of the golf ball. And it's obvious

29:35

how good he's going to be. I

29:37

was surprised. I thought he had to probably win.

29:40

Do you think so? A bit so than to get in. I don't know.

29:43

That's just the way I thought. I thought if I was in his shoes

29:45

and I was thinking – obviously

29:47

they've had chats and I go, if I win this

29:49

event, I'm going to get a pick here. You

29:51

can't keep him off, right? No, no,

29:53

you can't keep him off. And I think like you

29:56

know how hard it is to win an event. Especially

29:58

with the pressure on, right? especially with the pressure

30:00

on a guy and if I win this, I've

30:03

got one chance at this. It's not like he had sort

30:05

of 10 events or 5 events. I've got one chance to

30:07

make this Ryder Cup. That's how I would have sort of viewed

30:09

it. It's pretty impressive.

30:13

It really is and I think it's a good natural progression

30:15

as well. So he played under the lights and

30:17

winning to basically play

30:20

his way onto the team. But then last

30:22

week I think it was so crucial

30:24

for him to play well and not only

30:26

play well but have a chance to win the golf tournament

30:29

leading going into Sunday. But

30:31

as you know, you've played final groups and you know

30:34

what it's like to try to win a big event.

30:36

Do you think that event at

30:39

the BMW championship is going to be

30:41

more of a hindrance as far as not closing

30:43

and just being under the lights and not

30:45

getting the job done? Or do you think that's going to

30:48

even help him to propel him to heights at

30:50

the Ryder Cup, playing in front

30:52

of big crowds and knowing what the big moment might be like?

30:54

You can only tell us what he does at the Ryder Cup.

30:57

He looks like a player

30:59

that's not going to be phased by much where

31:01

you might get another player who thought

31:04

he might dwell on that. Yeah, Sunday

31:06

at Wentworth. He might dwell on it and think, oh

31:08

no, am I here? Am I good enough? I don't

31:11

get that vibe from him. I think he'll just brush

31:13

it off in his stride and crack on and

31:15

get to the Ryder Cup and play. And

31:18

I don't think he'd be a player that would sit and dwell on

31:20

something like that at all. It just doesn't

31:22

look like that type of player. Typically,

31:25

the young guys, they

31:27

don't really have the scar tissue yet. You know what I mean?

31:30

It's just like on to the next one, right? They just don't have

31:32

any of the skins on the wall yet where they

31:35

haven't failed enough yet. So one failure

31:37

is not going to make or break Ludwig Eberg, you wouldn't think.

31:40

No, no way. And you get players like that. You

31:42

look at Brooks. You

31:44

look at Kepka and stuff. The way he come out and

31:46

talked about his masters,

31:49

wasn't it? And the way he

31:51

just turns around and brushes it off his shoulder and

31:53

goes again and wins. I mean, yeah,

31:56

you get players like that with mentality. It's

31:58

incredible. to be sort

32:01

of in that same bracket, we just brush it off and go

32:03

again. And I guess, mate, the

32:05

only few we've really got to talk about,

32:07

and we know what we're going to get with these guys,

32:09

is Rory, John Rahm, Victor Hovland,

32:12

the superstars of the European team.

32:15

Yeah, dude, I mean, we're talking

32:17

about, I think, the

32:20

top of the lineup for Europe is better than the top

32:22

of the lineup for the United States. And to me,

32:24

it's not even close. I mean, all year, I have

32:26

felt that four best players in the world have been Scotty

32:29

Shephard, Rory McRoy, John Rahm,

32:31

and Victor Hovland. And to

32:33

me, I thought Victor Hovland even would bounce

32:36

even higher than that at times, because I

32:39

do see that just

32:42

from the experience from John Rahm,

32:45

he played with Sergio Garcia

32:47

quite often in these Ryder Cup settings. So he's got

32:49

a little bit of the Spanish gamemanship.

32:52

He knows kind of just

32:55

some lessons that he probably have learned from the

32:57

all-time Europe leading Ryder Cup getter

32:59

of Sergio Garcia. So you

33:02

know his game's going to match typically

33:05

what you get out of John Rahm, but still

33:07

with John, I think a lot of people

33:09

forget that at whistling straights,

33:12

everybody remembers the blowout. But

33:14

nobody remembers that

33:17

John Rahm could not be beat that week.

33:20

And he played four matches. He was 4-0. He

33:22

gets to that final match in

33:24

the singles. And at that point, he's

33:27

totally gassed, played Scotty Shephard, who

33:29

we just didn't realize at the time Scotty Shephard was

33:31

just an unreal player. He was the

33:33

last guy picked similar to Olivia

33:36

Gaberg or Nick Lee Hoeygaard. And

33:38

Scotty Shephard goes on to have a big

33:41

year. But as it pertains

33:43

to Rory, John, and Victor, I just

33:45

think those three guys, you

33:48

can't have two of those three guys play bad. You

33:53

have to have at least two of those guys

33:55

in form. If they're going to win,

33:57

I just don't see how Rory

33:59

and and John Ron play anywhere

34:02

close to mediocre or bad and Europe gets

34:04

a win. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah,

34:06

they've, you've got to be thinking they've

34:09

got to pick up them three

34:11

sort of eight

34:13

to 10 points between them, something

34:15

like that maybe. Unless

34:18

they're playing together which I don't think they

34:20

necessarily will. I'm not a math guy but that sounds right.

34:22

I'm not going to check the math. It sounds right. I

34:25

know, I would expect them

34:27

to play most near every

34:29

game pretty much maybe. Maybe

34:31

part one here or there but I think

34:33

they'll play most games obviously. Yeah.

34:36

Would you say it's Rory, the most

34:38

feared at the American group? But I

34:40

guess knowing the American team, they'll all

34:43

be wanting to play him, right? Well,

34:46

I would say Rory is definitely the most feared

34:49

if he plays to, you know,

34:52

Rory's capabilities. If Rory shows

34:54

up and is struggling inside of 10 feet, I

34:57

don't think any of the guys are going to fear him. But

34:59

if Rory's making putts inside of 10 feet, it's

35:02

going to be, he's going to be a nightmare to try to beat.

35:04

I just think because of the energy that

35:06

he brings from the crowd and how

35:09

good of a ball striker he has been this year and

35:11

some of the shots that I've seen him hit, it's

35:13

going to be just difficult to get

35:16

any momentum against, against Rory. You're

35:18

going to really have to outclass him as far as ball

35:20

striking goes. And it's

35:22

very difficult to do that. I mean, if you've

35:24

seen Rory play, it's stupid when he gets

35:26

going. And if you catch a hot putter

35:28

with him, you know, it's going to be tough

35:31

to beat him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Very,

35:34

very wise there. Yeah, it's all about if he

35:36

knocks them in. But yeah, I've seen him play,

35:38

play with him a couple of times and it's ridiculous.

35:41

It's dumb. It's dumb. Well,

35:44

mate, I think we've covered the European team really

35:47

nicely there. Let's have a little

35:49

break and let's bring on

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37:36

the game for a quick chat. Three time

37:38

major winner, six Ryder

37:40

Cups, former European captain.

37:43

How you doing, Podrick Harrington? What is going

37:45

on, mate? Yeah, it's all good with me. I'm

37:47

actually a couple of weeks off and I'm getting

37:50

quite excited about the Ryder Cup. Oh, 100%, Ryder

37:53

Cup week is something

37:55

special. You've been there six

37:57

times. What are the feelings like

37:59

going into a Ryder Cup? a cup week? A lot of stress.

38:02

I think, you know, as a player and

38:04

I look back, obviously

38:06

everybody carries a different type. I

38:08

would have been a stressful enough individual and

38:11

the intensity required during the Ryder Cup week,

38:13

you know, in many ways I'd burn myself out

38:16

a lot of Ryder Cup week. So I think

38:18

once I became a vice captain, captain, you get

38:20

to sit there and see a lot of this and you understand

38:24

your job is to try

38:26

and dissipate that to try and get make the

38:28

players as comfortable within themselves

38:30

as you can during the week. And a lot of

38:32

that is actually just giving them more information.

38:35

You know, I can remember going back to

38:37

my first Ryder Cups, you

38:39

were guessing if you were going to play, you were guessing

38:42

who you would play with. You know, it was like

38:44

a secret. Now it's kind

38:46

of full circle. You know, with pod systems,

38:48

you pretty much guaranteed you're going to

38:50

play with three players during the week. You're

38:53

going to be told in advance whether you're likely to play

38:55

four subs or four ball. And that will only

38:57

change if, I don't know,

38:59

can I say she hit the fan? It will only change

39:02

if things go wrong. You

39:04

know, and of course they do,

39:07

some things do evolve. But I think the biggest key

39:10

that has changed in the Ryder Cup over the years

39:13

is players. And this is probably what would

39:15

have gotten Tiger's head a lot early

39:17

on in his career. Tiger likes

39:19

a lot of control. You know, he gets those, you

39:22

know, six o'clock, 6am practice

39:24

rounds. He's off the golf course by nine. You know,

39:27

he's in the gym, he's doing this. At the Ryder Cup,

39:30

you know, he has to play practice round for six hours,

39:33

you know, on a Tuesday from 10 o'clock to four

39:35

o'clock. You're always feel stressed, you're always

39:37

feeling rushed. Nowadays the teams are

39:39

turning up in advance, getting a

39:41

practice round in. So those practice rounds on Tuesday,

39:44

Wednesday, Thursday, they're nowhere near as

39:46

important as they used to be. Players

39:48

are told when in advance what they're doing,

39:50

who they're likely to play with. So players are

39:52

much more comfortable. And Padraic,

39:55

question on just as a

39:57

captain, how much did

39:59

you go back and forth on pairings because

40:02

I know that like two

40:04

years in advance, you're starting to already think about who pairs

40:06

up with who but as you

40:09

lead up, let's say these guys that are captains this

40:11

week, Zach Johnson and Luke Donald, how

40:13

much in their head right now are they questioning

40:16

do they have the right format and for the

40:18

right guys? You know, is that something that

40:20

you were super confident about going into the Ryder Cup?

40:24

I definitely think you're

40:26

pretty confident about what you're doing, especially

40:28

the first day for foursome

40:30

and fourball. You want to get everybody else,

40:33

you want to see how comfortable everybody is. So

40:35

you could have supposedly

40:37

a weaker player in the team and see if it shows

40:40

form the first day, you know, he's likely to

40:42

play twice the second day. So this is how things

40:44

can change. The second day is definitely more fluid

40:46

and on Saturday afternoon

40:49

is very fluid because you're looking to

40:51

put out your strongest possible day in Saturday

40:53

afternoon, get this many points. But the first

40:55

three sessions are the first two sessions, you're

40:58

building some momentum, you're

41:00

feeling out how players are

41:02

taking to it, how comfortable they are. So

41:06

when you are very clear about your

41:08

options, I think, you know,

41:11

you know exactly who wants to play with who, who

41:13

can play with who, who suited to play with who. And

41:16

then within those boundaries, you're looking

41:18

for the players that have hit the ground running that

41:20

are feeling comfortable, that are playing well. And

41:24

probably the only doubt you would have, you

41:26

know, when you get later on into that, you know,

41:29

maybe that Saturday morning, Saturday

41:31

afternoon, you know, do you play

41:33

a player who's playing well, who's lost, or

41:36

do you play a player who's not playing

41:38

as well, but as one? You know, these

41:40

are the questions that, you

41:43

know, that a captain and a vice captain

41:45

has to make, you know, this is why a computer

41:48

or AI is not running the show. You have to take

41:50

it. Do you prefer a player who's just

41:52

hard and wins a match no matter what? Or

41:54

do you play a player who's

41:57

in great form and, you know, got unlucky?

42:00

that is the age old-fashioned for me

42:02

that I don't think can ever be answered properly.

42:06

There's been plenty of players that would go three,

42:08

four months and say they got unlucky. Well,

42:13

they lost, whereas there's other players

42:15

who got lucky or found

42:17

a way and that's probably the

42:21

hardest part about being a captain is trying

42:23

to decide which side you go

42:25

on. Yeah, it makes so much sense. In

42:28

terms of you captains, obviously Europe

42:30

and America, how important is

42:32

the home advantage going into Ryder

42:34

Cups? Yeah, I do question that

42:37

arrogance of mine taking the captaincy in America.

42:40

It just seems really difficult to

42:43

win a away match. Even now,

42:45

there was a little bit of talk,

42:49

I could have made this Ryder Cup team and when

42:52

I was all said and done, obviously, I wasn't

42:54

close in the end, but it's all said and done

42:56

in my head, maybe

42:58

I'll make the next one. And then I was thinking,

43:01

who wants to be in that page

43:03

black for the next Ryder Cup? Who would want that captaincy

43:06

away from home? There is home

43:08

advantage in the setup, there's home advantage

43:10

in the crowd. Eventually,

43:13

in 50 years time,

43:16

maybe we'll have an Australian referee set up the

43:18

college course, but then the Australians

43:20

are rooting for Europe anyway. I

43:24

mean, Padre, let's talk about team Europe though. It

43:26

seems like this lineup has

43:29

gotten better and better as the weeks

43:31

had gone on. It felt like for a long time

43:33

that this team Europe was going to be lacking

43:35

depth, but as this team got closer

43:38

and closer getting picked, it was obvious who was going

43:40

to be on this team. Do you think Luke Donald

43:42

got it right? Yeah, I think

43:44

the team, there was no surprise

43:47

in the actual picking right at the end. Adrian

43:50

Mark Moronk is a really good player,

43:53

was very unlucky to lose out, but

43:55

he was in that seat. He was in

43:58

the 12th man spot and

45:48

that

46:00

would take a little for the next match. And like

46:02

for Dustin to be able to stroll through that, you're looking

46:05

for characters like that in your team that are

46:07

relaxed around everybody that just take

46:10

it within their stride. So, UOS has lost

46:12

a little bit. We don't know what Dustin

46:15

we do, but maybe with

46:17

DeChambeau, we're not really sure. But

46:20

like when he was playing, he was some

46:22

player in 2021. Patrick

46:25

Reed is obviously a, you

46:27

know, the guy when it comes to the right of Pope

46:29

Europe.

46:30

I hate to say JT has taken the path

46:32

of Reed's position as far

46:34

as Europe is concerned. You know what, I think he's

46:37

a bit of the impulsive that everybody going up against

46:39

JT will want to

46:41

beat him. And you always know when you're fitting

46:44

playing poker, the guy who's most

46:46

successful at poker is the guy that everybody

46:48

wants to beat because they'll make bad decisions

46:51

against him. You know, they won't make logical

46:53

good decisions. So JT, if he performed,

46:56

if your luck would swing on JT at this Ryder Cup,

46:59

if he performs, it's

47:01

gonna be tough for the Europe

47:03

to take. They wanna beat him and

47:05

they wanna see him as the weak link. So

47:08

if he turns up and performs, that

47:10

he could win the Ryder Cup. He could be the pivotal man

47:12

when it comes to this Ryder Cup. Either

47:14

way, he could be the one that causes

47:17

the U.S. to lose or he could be the one that causes the

47:19

U.S. to win. Are you saying mate, that literally

47:22

when you're looking at the teams now, one

47:24

person could swing this whole Ryder Cup like that?

47:28

I'm not saying it for sure, but

47:30

I'm definitely thinking that everybody's

47:34

looking at JT. Everybody

47:36

is, you know, and maybe, you

47:38

know, going back over years,

47:40

like we wanted to be tighter so badly,

47:43

Europe, the U.S. wanna be poster so

47:45

badly. And you know, posters are perfect

47:47

example. He might not be the best player in the

47:49

team, but the U.S. just wanted to be beaten

47:51

so badly that sometimes, you

47:53

know, he got the better of them.

47:55

And you know, he did, again,

47:58

going back to that poker analogy.

47:59

guy that winds you up at the poker table

48:02

is always the guy that you can't let bluff

48:04

you and you see him the wrong time and you make

48:07

bad decisions against players like that. And

48:09

I think J.T. Ryder Cup wise, you

48:11

know, has Europe's

48:14

number. It really does. I've got

48:17

to say,

48:18

he's a great pick

48:19

in that sense. He is a guy

48:22

that Europe is looking at. He couldn't backfire

48:25

them, but he is the guy that in Europe would

48:27

have picked over the years because we know, hang

48:30

on a second, this guy gets on the other team's

48:32

nerves in the Ryder Cup. There's no

48:34

doubt J.T. has us wound up in the Ryder

48:36

Cup. We want to see him beaten. That's

48:39

Europe's, we got a target

48:41

on the back for Europe. Mate, that is really interesting

48:44

talking about J.T., which I'm sure we'll

48:46

chat more about Smiley going

48:49

on for the US team. Oh, yeah. What

48:51

I wanted to ask mate is the mornings

48:53

of the first morning of the Ryder

48:55

Cup, especially as a captain, are you

48:58

watching players, if they're the

49:00

same or if they're more nervous than usual, what

49:02

are the mornings like and how's that first

49:04

tee? I

49:07

think you're watching it, but you're not, you

49:09

know, you can't take anything from how they

49:12

are before they play. You are very

49:14

much watching how they react on

49:16

the golf course. No doubt about it. We

49:19

have seen in years gone by where partnerships

49:22

have got changed on the Wednesday because players

49:24

have been stressed out from, you know, just,

49:26

you know, getting on

49:28

somebody's nerves or just, you know, they're just too

49:30

excited. But the reality is everybody's

49:33

going to play the first day. It's a must.

49:35

You must play all 12 players the first day.

49:38

And you are trying to establish who

49:40

likes it, especially from

49:43

those rookies, who is there to play, who

49:45

is, who is with us, who wants us, who

49:47

is excited by it. So you're watching

49:50

for sure. And that can be difficult.

49:53

Not so much the first day, because as I said, you kind

49:55

of have to set your whole day out the first day because

49:57

you want to play all remember

50:00

you're picking your afternoon partnerships

50:03

halfway to two turns the way through your morning.

50:06

So we have seen where players are doing okay

50:08

and get picked for the afternoon and vice

50:10

versa where players are doing badly but end up winning the

50:13

match and all of a sudden they're not playing in the afternoon and

50:15

people at home say, Oh, why aren't you playing them? And you

50:17

go, well, I picked that, you know, an error going,

50:19

he had his hat up to that. Okay,

50:21

he's cool, strong. And then you put

50:24

again, this is the first day

50:26

you want to get a good start, but

50:28

you're happy if you were even after the first

50:30

date and you have, you've got all 12 players

50:33

out there, you've got a good idea how

50:35

they're playing, you're going to be very comfortable.

50:37

You're even comfortable if you're even after

50:39

two days and you've got everybody

50:42

in a comfortable position going into the singles

50:44

and you haven't overextended yourself. So,

50:46

you know, I know you want to get in the lead,

50:49

but as we saw back in Brooklyn in 99,

50:51

if you get to get the lead of a couple of points,

50:54

you just sacrifice your singles on the Sunday,

50:56

it just doesn't work. You have to have

50:59

a strong, fresh team coming

51:01

into the singles on Sunday. You have

51:03

to, you can't have your team burned down

51:06

for Sunday yet. You

51:08

know, clearly you've got to be in

51:10

the match too. You can't be going into that singles with

51:12

a, you know, a four point

51:14

deficit, three point and a lot to make up.

51:16

I know it's been done, but it's a lot to make up. Mate,

51:19

that is absolutely incredible insight to

51:22

write a cut week and what goes on and having that

51:24

experience. Thanks so much for coming on. You're

51:27

welcome, Peace. As you know,

51:29

it's very important to Europe to write a cup, the

51:31

whole of the tour, whether you're a European

51:34

born player or an international player, Europe,

51:36

it's the most important part of

51:39

the season for Europe to give us that

51:41

validity that we're a great tour, which

51:44

sometimes we have a chip in our shoulder that we're

51:46

less than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.

51:49

I've always said that it's, if

51:51

you're teaming up as a European, wherever the goal

51:53

is to try and get into that writer cut team, 100%.

51:56

I

52:01

love talking to Patrick

52:04

there. Every time the knowledge

52:07

of that guy and the way he's brain works, I could listen

52:09

to him for hours honestly. I'm with you

52:11

man. He's all

52:13

class and every time he speaks, I

52:16

feel like I just learned something, you know what I mean? Like there's

52:18

just certain guys that just, that

52:20

they say things and they make you think about it all day

52:22

and that's, he'll, it's every single

52:24

time he speaks, I get that from him. Yeah,

52:27

yeah, likewise, likewise. He's

52:30

always so interested in speaking

52:32

to him and I think, I

52:34

think the one thing, the last thing we haven't covered is the golf

52:36

course. Do you know much about it? I,

52:39

I've just heard from this recent

52:41

scouting trip from the guys that they

52:43

said it would normally be a bomber's

52:46

paradise, but they narrowed up the fairways from like 290

52:48

to 310. So really

52:50

shrinking it in for the, for the American team,

52:53

which, which is that, I

52:55

mean to me that's kind of felt like that's been the strategy

52:57

of the European setup. They

52:59

typically, they value fairways more

53:02

so than, than bomb and gouge and, and middle

53:04

pins versus pipe pins. It seems

53:06

like it's more of an accuracy game over there in Europe and

53:09

does Marco Simone kind of fit, fit

53:11

that mold? Yeah, it's interesting.

53:13

I played it a few years ago and I would say it's quite

53:16

wide off the tee. It does,

53:18

all right, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's

53:20

quite wide off the tee, but obviously yeah, they've prepped

53:23

this knowing exactly what

53:25

they're prepping it for to try and use to their advantage.

53:28

And again, if they can stop

53:30

you guys bombing it down there and wedging

53:33

it in and cause you a few problems,

53:35

yeah, it's going to help. It's going to help Europe

53:37

and it does have such

53:39

an interesting part to play when

53:42

you play home and away. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:45

The difference that all the courses and how they set

53:47

up for, for their group of players, which

53:51

it's got to be done, you know, and it's got to suit Europe

53:54

to have a chance of beating you guys this year as

53:57

well, along with the crowd. As

54:00

well, do the boys speak much about the crowd,

54:03

about going over and playing in the crowds in the

54:05

Ryder Cup in Europe? Have they said anything about

54:07

that? I think everything I've heard is

54:09

that they just reference, it's like, hey, Ryder

54:11

Cup in the States is great. It's great

54:13

to have the team behind, but Ryder Cup

54:16

in Europe is a different level. They

54:18

just said winning over there would be

54:20

like, that is all they've been really

54:22

working towards over the

54:24

last however many years since the last time they lost in Europe,

54:27

since Paris. Rome has been

54:29

circled for these guys for so long. This

54:32

golf course, I think those guys going over there and seeing

54:34

it, just not being familiar with it was good

54:36

for them to get

54:38

a peek at it because one of the things

54:41

I picked up on was that it's

54:43

extremely hilly. They compared it similar to

54:45

Capelillo, which is one of our toughest walks in

54:47

the PGA Tour. If

54:50

you're a guy that's played out there, if it

54:52

was you, could you walk all five matches

54:55

and feel comfortable with where your fitness was at at the end?

54:57

I think, yeah, that can be tricky, you know.

55:01

I think with the hills, the problem

55:03

is when you're in that environment and even like

55:06

I've never played a Ryder Cup, but you

55:08

go back into sort of like the old England

55:10

days or playing for your country and stuff, you

55:12

might play like five rounds in three

55:15

days, six rounds in three days, but

55:17

you don't realise how tired you are when you're

55:19

actually in it. And I think that's going

55:21

to be a big thing for Luke Donald to sort

55:23

of check in with the players and

55:26

make sure they're not looking too jaded.

55:30

Because yeah, if it was me, you just want to play, play, play and

55:32

you get in that atmosphere, the adrenaline, but

55:34

it's that, yeah, that next day, like

55:38

a bit like Harrington was saying, going into

55:40

the singles, I'm fresh. The players might not

55:42

even know that they're absolutely knackered before

55:45

Luke Donald knows they're knackered. So I think it's a case

55:47

for the team to keep an eye on the players

55:49

and check in. But I think from

55:51

Europe side, there's definitely a few players who've got to play

55:54

nearly every time. And that's

55:56

the scary thing when it comes to this Ryder Cup. To

55:59

me and my...

56:36

I'm

58:00

looking forward to man, this has been a lot of fun. It

58:04

was so good to catch up with Smiley, it's been

58:06

ages. What a guy. Also,

58:09

it was great insight from Padre Carrington

58:11

as well. I mean, I love talking to him. He's... When

58:14

you say genius to people, he

58:17

is a genius. It's not over hyped,

58:19

he's amazing. I love speaking to him. Moving

58:21

on, me and Smiley will be back tomorrow

58:23

with another episode looking at the US team. So

58:25

make sure you come back for that. In the meantime,

58:28

make sure you check out the Smiley Show and give them a follow

58:30

wherever you get your podcasts. And

58:33

that's it folks. Take care.

58:34

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