Pat Goodman is a Fayetteville local known for establishing hard, scary trad routes. We talk about one of his more memorable FAs, Ishmael 5.13 R/X, the time he onsight soloed Scenic Cruise at the Black Canyon, and what he's motivated about these days. Jessa Goebel grew up in NC and started climbing at the age of 9. We talk about why she gravitated towards climbing, why she loves living in Fayetteville, WV, and how she deals with injuries as she grows older. Music by Small Houses: http://smallhouses.band/