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In this episode of Balancing the Christian Life , we
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talk about disagreeing with people we
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need to love . Welcome
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to Balancing the Christian Life . I'm Dr Kenny
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Embry . Join me as we discover how to be
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better Christians and people in the digital
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age . Yeah
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, it's been a minute , or at least that's what
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I was thinking . My daughter , emma
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, married on March 9th . A
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couple weeks ago , I've been working
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several overload classes so I could afford
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the modest wedding she had . I
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gave her a budget and said when it ran
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out that's all Katie and I could
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have contributed , and I was amazed
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at her resourcefulness . It's
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a strange thing to watch the little girl
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you fought with constantly as she grew
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up reflect some of the very things
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you worked hard to teach her . I
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remember when she came home as a school
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kid with permission slips and impatiently
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told me dad , nobody reads
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those things , would you please just sign
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it ? She had an attitude
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and her voice followed by an eye roll . However
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, I don't generally sign
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things . I don't understand . She
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was disgusted then , but as she
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figured out who she wanted to cater
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her wedding and what floor she
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wanted to use , I caught
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her going through the fine print . Okay
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, dad , you're right . I read
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this stuff now , and it's a good
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thing I do . This
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isn't an I told you so moment , but appreciating
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a little girl who has become
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an adult , who understands responsibility
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. That's cool
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. Right now , emma and her husband , charlie , are living
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up in Gainesville , which is a couple hours north
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of where we live . A friend of mine
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, chris Emerson , was preaching a meeting at the
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church there and we had a handful
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of things . Emma wondered from our house as
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she starts making a home of her own . So
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it was a great excuse to see a friend
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and visit my newlywed daughter
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. After services
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my wife and I were talking to Charlie
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about his first weeks of married life . So
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have you guys fought
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yet ? Well , he
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said he
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didn't need to say anymore . I
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recognized the look . Of
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course they fought . I remember
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the fights Katie and I had our first
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year of marriage . They were
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important fights because they helped
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us figure out the terrain of responsibilities
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and see how we should
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and could fight fair
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. But we still do fight
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. I know some of you
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are upset that I call these disagreements fights
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, but I do and I stand
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by it . Here's one thing
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we're going through right now . Katie
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loves wearing quite possibly the ugliest
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shoe in the world Birkenstocks
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. She tells me they're
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comfortable , but for someone
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who loves to talk about cuteness and
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being on trend , I
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can't stand these sandals . They're
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overpriced , they look hideous
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and they're not worth the
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hype . Right now she's
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wearing the Birkenstocks Madrids . I
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hate these shoes and
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yet I know the
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model because I'm
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the one who bought them . I
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hate them , but I love
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my wife and this
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is what makes her happy . It
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doesn't hurt me and our relationship
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is stronger because I figured
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out that if I can only put her
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love of this hideous footwear above
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my hatred of it , we both end
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up happier . Look , that's
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a guy who's been married for about 20 years talking
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now , and these are lessons I've learned
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from failure , not success . I've
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also got to admit I've
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been watching a bunch of fights lately . I've
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seen a lot of name calling . I've
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heard about documents and people
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who don't get along , and
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when I was younger , fights like this would make
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me mad . I'm older now
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and I've watched this
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pattern for a dozen guys , maybe
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more . In other words , this
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isn't new . So
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have you guys fought yet ? Well
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, I guess we all know
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answers to that . Conflict
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is as old as Cain and Abel , probably
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older . So if we're
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going to fight , could we
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at least remember a few important rules of engagement
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. First , corinthians
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13.4-7 says Love
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is patient and
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kind , does not envy
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or boast , is not arrogant
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or rude , it does not
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insist on its own way , it
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is not irritable or resentful
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, it does not rejoice at wrongdoing
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but rejoices with
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the truth . Love
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bears all things , love
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believes all things , hopes
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all things , endures
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all things . Paul
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is talking about how to love to
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a bunch of knuckleheads and Corinth who
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couldn't seem to get along . Specifically
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, they were fighting about spiritual gifts in
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this part of Corinthians and Paul is
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telling them the most important spiritual
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gift is love . If
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you cannot say you love the person
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you're fighting , can
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I suggest you're the wrong person to go
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into the ring with for a few rounds ? We
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are told to love our neighbors , love
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our brothers , love our families
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and love our enemies
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. So be very careful
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about whom you choose
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to be impatient , envious
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, boastful , arrogant
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, rude or insistent
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with . As a husband
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who has done stupid things , I've
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been that guy who wanted to
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win , who believed the
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worst , who was thrilled
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to see my wife make
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a mistake . In other
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words , I was an idiot
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. I've been the same
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idiot at church , I've been
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the same idiot at work and
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, frankly , when I'm an idiot , I'm
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not representing God very well . So
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remember there's
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not a time when we get to suspend
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what Paul says about love
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. Second , when
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you criticize , don't
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hold back , but do
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be kind and gracious . Ephesians
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4 15 says speaking
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the truth in love
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, we are to grow
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up in Every way
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into him , who is the head , into
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Christ . Ephesians
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is a dense letter . Paul
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has a lot to say to the Ephesians . He
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spent some time there , he knew them
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and as he gave his farewells
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and acts , where he meets with
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the Ephesian elders , he doesn't
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hold back . He loves
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them , but he knows
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some of these very guys will betray
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God and make things far
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worse . At the church they oversee His
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entire ministry . Jesus
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loved the scribes and Pharisees
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and yet he never held back
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about their problems . Why
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not ? Because if
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they were ever going to be better , they
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needed to know what had to be fixed
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. He was passionate
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, he was truthful , he
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was direct , but
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he wasn't arrogant , he wasn't
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resentful , he didn't
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rejoice when they were doing things wrong
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. Oh Jerusalem
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, jerusalem , you who kills the
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prophets and stones
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those sent to her . How
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often I longed to gather your children
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together . They
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were hypocrites and
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they desperately needed to see their hypocrisy
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. Fights often
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change course when we go after tangents
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or related but different charges . I Remember
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a fight my wife and I were having , and
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my wife was just wrong about something
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. No , it wasn't
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about the truly important thing that
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sparked our disagreement . The
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fight turned out to be about how
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she was feeling taken for granted
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and I knew I
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had both said and given her a
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card where I showed Thankfulness
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and gratitude . I mean , I
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had the card . She was wrong
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, dead wrong . She
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was , and I knew it . I Could
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show her in black and white where
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she had factual error . She
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was tired and asked Can
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we just stop fighting about this , katie
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? I'm not fighting . I'm just
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trying to show you why I'm right
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. That's
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not my proudest moment . At
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a time my wife felt vulnerable where
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I could have helped her feel better and
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where I could have been more gracious . Even
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if there really were times I expressed
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gratitude and thankfulness , I
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was the idiot who was right , fighting
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instead of helping my
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wife . I
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wanted to win by
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winning . Well , she
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was losing . I know there
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are times we need to show error to others
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. We need them to understand
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where they are truly mistaken
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. We need to expose
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error as being error , but
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when you have the opportunity to be gracious
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and kind , choose
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to be gracious and kind . I
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know there are others who may be led
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astray about error , but
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despite the fact that a polis was
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preaching the wrong baptism , quella
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Bercilla taught him better . Despite
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the fact that people on Mars Hill believed
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the lies of other gods , paul
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taught them better . Despite
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the fact that the woman at the well believed
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it didn't matter which mountain was used
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to worship God , jesus
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taught her better . In
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other words , when you have
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the opportunity to choose
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to speak the truth in love , please
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speak
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the truth in love . Raising
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children I laugh now at some of the truly
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stupid things my kids expected my
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wife and I to believe . One
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of my children , who will go nameless
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, believed when you were in
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water . You were not
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wet . You were only
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wet when you emerged from the water
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. Well , that's about the
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silliest thing I've ever heard , but
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at the time that's
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what my child believed . My
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child was wrong . It
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became a family joke we still have
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today . But the child
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who misunderstood what it meant to be wet
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is still loved
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and
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that child understands that . Finally
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, jesus tells
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us why do you
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see the speck that is in your brother's
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eye but do
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not notice the log that is in your own
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eye . Or how can
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you say to your brother let
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me take the speck out of your eye
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. And there is the
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log in your own eye , you
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hypocrite . First
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take the log out
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of your own eye and
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then you will see clearly . To take the speck
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out of your brother's eye , that
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hurts . Hypocrite
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is a strong word . It's
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an ugly word and yet I
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know myself well enough to
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know I
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am one . I'm
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a hypocrite . I
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criticize others of things I have
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done and sometimes still
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do . I have criticized
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others of misunderstanding a passage
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that I have misunderstood in the
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past or misunderstand now
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. I have criticized
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others of being prideful and
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it was my pride speaking . I
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have criticized others of being ignorant
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, having the wrong motives
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, when I
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was probably just as ignorant and
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had similar , conflicting motives
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. I remember
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a letter written to me . I
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was in a disagreement with somebody else
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. The person was criticizing
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someone else with very specific
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allegations and charges , but
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the beginning phrase said something
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like I myself am
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full of faults , but here is
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where the other person isn't wrong
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but foolish . On
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one hand , that's an easy , generic
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admission to make . We
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are all of us centers
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, every single one
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, but understanding
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our specific fault is
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more helpful . Probably
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one of the greatest gifts my children and wife
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have given me is
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a mirror into who I am
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really . I
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have fought with my wife and children on
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many occasions and
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I have yet to be in a disagreement
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where I was
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not a party to the problem . Alain
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de Beton wrote a book entitled
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the Art of Travel , and
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one of his lines just kicks me between
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the eyes every time . He
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says when we look at pictures
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of places we want to visit and
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imagine how happy we would be
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if only we were there , we
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are prone to forget one crucial
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thing that
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we will have to take ourselves along
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the journey . We
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won't just be in India , south
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Africa , australia , prague , peru
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in a direct , unmediated
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way . We'll be there
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with ourselves , still
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imprisoned in our own bodies and
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minds , with all
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the problems that entails . When
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I watch fights from my kids
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, it's easy for me to
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see what's really going on . One
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child has something which makes the other one jealous
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. It's not fair , or
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they're fighting about who knows the right
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answer to a really important question . Like
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the president of Chile , one
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child just wants to feel smarter as
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being denied this by a sister . In
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other words , the fight has
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a context and
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often the issue isn't the facts
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but the people in
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the conflict . Some
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people like to fight . Some
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people like to be right . Some
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people don't want to feel foolish
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. Some people like to look for
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specs in other people's eyes while
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they've got a log in their own and
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I'm not saying that's dangerous , jesus
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is Look . Some
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fights need to be fought . Some people
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are truly wrong . Perhaps
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the stakes are too high to simply let
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it go , but
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when you're fighting with your five-year-old about playing
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in the street , you need to
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win . Your child
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needs to understand he's wrong and
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why he's wrong and
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why you've got better judgment . Yes
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, that's true , but
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when you're in one of those fights , do
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you truly love who you're fighting ? Are
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you being honest , kind
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and gracious , and
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are you taking a good look at yourself
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to make sure you're
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not a big part of the problem as well ? Looking
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back at my family , I
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didn't enjoy our squabbles , but
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I'm grateful for the results . All
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means one who struggles
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with God . I'm
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grateful we are able
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to fight with God , who
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consistently loves us , who
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is gracious to us and
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who helps us understand ourselves
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as we struggle with
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him . Thanks
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for the good thing I'm thinking about . Yeah
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, it's been a minute
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. I've recorded three interviews I plan to release
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in the next three weeks . Also been
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planning the next conference with
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Hal Hammons this time
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the conference will be at the beginning
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of August instead of the end of July
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had an unfortunate but unavoidable
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schedule conflict in the last
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couple of weeks . Next week I plan
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to release my conversation with Hal Hammons
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. He's a wonderful guy
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, a good friend . So
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until next time , let's be good
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and do good .
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