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Hello And welcome to the last episode of

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season seven of Bad Gays a podcast. Oliver

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even complicated grows in history we did at

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how did that happen for he did it

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Joe. My. Name is Ben Miller.

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I am a writer, researcher, and a

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member of the board of the Shoeless

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Museum in Berlin. And my name's He

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Let me. I'm I right to author

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an artist. So last week we talked

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about the Baron Friends not chef on

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Fez or She Lush. I got that.

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namely the get that that that the

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Baron Friends, not chef and virtue that

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she who was a eccentric Hungarian aristocrat

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who traveled extensively in Albania with his

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quote unquote long term Secretary Who are

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we talking about this week? You. Well.

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Let me start by taking you on a little

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historical wonder. my eyes are closed and then at

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the mind's eye his vision in a stroll three

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time. So. Let's start day of the

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hotel son to brigade a. Which. Is

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nestled in the beautiful mountains but half an hour's

1:07

drive from Las Palmas on the islands of Cancun.

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idea sounds great but as a have like a

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glass of white wines and yet the think princess

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or in his got a little pool for a

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nice sets of a key. So four star hotel

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in a small town with a sauna and cool

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and a terrorist along it's front. This is where

1:21

we're going with other money we get from the

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patriarch in yeah with rooms the open our on

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to at a nice long balcony that run the

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length of the entire building. So. It

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opened in eighty ninety six and has been

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plying his trade. Have a sense. So.

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Now in our imagination as go back

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almost ninety years. To. The tenth

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of March. Nineteen Thirty Five. Hey so

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political tensions in Europe a heating up.

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Earlier in a month, Fascist Italy and

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Ethiopia had agreed to a neutral zone

1:49

on the Ethiopian border of Italian Somaliland.

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As. Misleading had been building up forces

1:53

in a colony ready for an invasion. The.

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Saw baserunner highly industrialized coal and

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steel. then. He's. Returned by the

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League of Nations to Nazi Germany, aiding

2:03

them and their ailments. And in

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Britain, the Prime minister from Mcdonalds had

2:08

been thrown out the Labour Party after

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agreeing to lead a national government, a

2:12

unity coalition. Announced a new

2:14

paper the justifying increased expenditure

2:16

on. British. We are meant to meet

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the threat of Hitler. Say.

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That morning housekeeping knock on the door of

2:22

a room at the hotel center. but a

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Guida. Hearing no answer

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the housekeeper goes down and tells the

2:29

hotel manager use his keys opened the

2:31

door. And. Lying in the birds.

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Is. The body of it's inhabitants. A striking

2:36

young English woman in her early middle

2:38

ages. She was a guest the Hotel.

2:41

The attending doctor puts her early deaths down

2:43

to an overdose of barbiturates of oh lord

2:45

knows with her dissolute lifestyle he could just

2:48

as well has been whiskey or even heartbreak.

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Place that months. She's buried in English Cemetery

2:53

in Las Palmas. Soon after,

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a white marble tombstone appears on her

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grave. Is littered with mistakes and

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is causing clearly wasn't personally ever seen by anyone

3:02

who knew her. Maybe her mother had paid for

3:04

although she did it was the first time it

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and send money for her daughter and quite a

3:08

time. I think that off must for

3:10

allowance having head what shows up to. The.

3:12

Tombstone raids. In

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loan loving memory of Rossa Barely

3:16

which is a misspelling of barrel.

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Linteau and Lintel an omen. Only

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daughter of the late Major

3:24

Charles Linton Orman the Essex

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regiments and granddaughter the late

3:28

Field Marshal Sir Lynton Simmons.

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Ambulance Driver: Serbia: nineteen,

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sixteen, seventeen, Commander

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of the Ambulance Department Red Cross

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Devon to house London. Nineteen Seventeen

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eighteen. Founder. British

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artists. Born. Seventh of

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February, Eighty Ninety Five. Died. Tenths of

3:46

March. Nineteen Thirty Five. And

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thus it alone the end to our

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allow me woman her grave mocking heard

3:53

see months and other circumstances my teammates

3:55

or a trailblazer. The. First British

3:57

political party ever founded by a woman.

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Where. Did I just was the British

4:03

Fascists? So. How does

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the end up like this? Gaslight gate Keep

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Grove as as. So.

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Rosa was born Rossa Barrel Linson

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amen in South Kensington, the end

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of March district of London for

4:16

the end of the Victorian era

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eighty Ninety Five so that first

4:20

lintel on his her middle name.

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Her. Family The Omens later changed their

4:24

name by these polls are lintel and

4:27

hyphen Arm and and Nineteen Twelve when

4:29

she was. Seventeen. Making her

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wrote the lynch Island or Norm

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and Rifle Barrel went on. Linton

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Omen. That. The name change was

4:38

to honor for her maternal grandfather,

4:40

Linton Simmons, a highly decorated British

4:42

Army officer who was ready a

4:44

consummate Victorian. A. Real

4:46

Met military engineer by trade. Simmons

4:48

had been the inspector of the

4:50

railways sector said are always commission

4:53

and also secretary the railway department.

4:55

For Crimean war he joined the army fighting

4:57

in Crimea and also right right into the

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com channel. Commander into the Royal Engineers and

5:02

eventually a Field Marshal. He was

5:04

also the British consul to Warsaw i'm late

5:06

to the Governor of Malta and envoy to

5:08

the Vatican. Upon his death he

5:10

was honored with a monument in St. Paul's Cathedral.

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A father who married Blunt lunch Simmons

5:16

Lint on daughter. Was. Charles

5:18

Edward on and a major in Essex regiments

5:20

which for a number war and in India

5:22

and he was also a cricketer. So.

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This was the world and its grass

5:26

was born. The British Empire to destroy

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the world is an Imperial colossus and

5:30

her family were involved in everything that

5:32

made it triumphant. It's industrial, military, diplomatic,

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colonial and soft power todo. She came

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for a conservative party, orthodox of Turin

5:38

family She was growing up in a

5:40

time of great send you some women.

5:43

Shrugs last decade of the nineteenth century

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that have been an increasing although still

5:48

marginalized call for women's suffrage. When.

5:50

Rosa was eight The campaigns their demands went

5:52

up a notch when Emily and Pankhurst founded

5:55

the Women Social and Political Union. And.

5:57

You Organization for Women's Suffrage which moved away

5:59

from. Being to was militant direct

6:01

action. These women

6:03

who organized the campaign of heckling

6:05

politicians, disrupting public events, training themselves

6:07

to public buildings, and even awesome

6:10

bombing was soon labels. The suffragettes.

6:12

And in Europe see First World War there in

6:14

full swing. And a the same

6:17

time a supposedly new phenomenon was emerging with

6:19

in the upper middle classes the so called

6:21

New Women sometimes derisively known as the Manish

6:23

Woman. This was the

6:25

emergence the group of women who actively

6:28

rejected the stultifying and a boring gender

6:30

roles are expected of them by bourgeois

6:32

Victorian society. And the standing

6:34

dazed and the musk in pursuits officer

6:36

A sample writings, journalism, cycling and even

6:38

a living financially autonomous lies the world

6:40

and the harass release that ninety twice

6:43

new women with the bob and know

6:45

obsolete And this is where this is

6:47

where it starts of and and evolves

6:49

into the Nineteen Twenties new own. And

6:52

the other you woman really came into her own in the

6:54

aftermath of the first ottawa making to file a bit. But.

6:56

This new manish woman was potty

6:58

results of shifting economic forces which

7:00

to watch on to exacerbate and

7:03

partly a moral panic encouraged by.

7:05

Increased media literacy from their fares

7:07

around the consequences of industrialization, urbanization,

7:10

This. Is a time when I can recite the lyrics

7:13

of one of my favorite songs. Masculine.

7:15

Women and seventy men Who is the rooster

7:17

and who is the hand. It's harder to

7:19

tell these days. That. Voluminous

7:21

trousers hanging so why nobody knows

7:23

what? Hiding inside this does Matthew

7:25

Eleven examined and man, etc etc

7:28

is very funny. Look it up,

7:30

Taylor maxis it really well. Who's

7:32

a lot his advice on what

7:34

is it? Socially conservative late teens,

7:36

early twenties. I had British or

7:38

American pastime and because of this

7:40

phenomenon that was recovered by Taylor

7:42

Mag as third and duties at

7:44

Twenty Four Hour Long has it,

7:46

American popular music and. Am

7:48

really really fabulous and from the other side of

7:50

course this I know coward up into a marvelous

7:52

party was cousin adoration of now see acid in

7:54

the fresh air. We win as we were we

7:56

say they were which was held at this assist

7:58

assist in that. The Just A

8:01

Place in have a moral panic

8:03

alongside similar ones around of course

8:05

of homosexuality and of the mail

8:07

eggs and anxieties around this status

8:09

nobody knows what's hiding inside, reactionary

8:11

gender panics, sharing a self terrified

8:13

new contagion and talking to an

8:15

idealized agenda norm in a post

8:17

on. Nothing. New. I

8:20

guess the question is where manage women new? I

8:22

kind of doubts having the courage to diminish new

8:24

woman. Who. Was so panicking. The saw

8:26

fantasy at Flat Mail. Sounds. An

8:28

awful lot like a description of for example,

8:31

the lesbian industrialists i'm Lester who. Dressed

8:33

in austria black as she went around hike

8:35

in the pyrenees and. Investing. In

8:37

the railways and running a call your and I

8:39

was almost a century earlier so I think this

8:41

is just a media far more than us. Rails.

8:44

Shit. He. And also gender roles

8:46

are so cleanest right that the idea of

8:48

the kind of a woman having a job

8:50

a woman, the woman not having a job

8:53

and right and being kind of delegates using

8:55

the domestic sphere that only true for certain

8:57

classes of people were where he as women

9:00

have been working of causing all time. And.

9:03

Have been. Put. On what Masculine in

9:05

some ways, the whole and. I

9:08

think I'm I think I'm list is actually very interesting buses

9:10

software I think sometimes to do an upset about her as

9:12

well. Because she was of course

9:14

despite bit well not despite as well

9:16

as being and and pioneering woman an

9:18

industrial sphere she was the atari A

9:20

conservative. And and Anglican so there's

9:22

nothing up. Say nothing. Ready are lots of

9:24

such women that's of wedded to some anything

9:26

by the idea of us of radical socialist

9:29

cause. I. May be there lies a

9:31

radical enough opposite. The paraphrase James Baldwin when he

9:33

talks about white gay men. They kind of felt

9:35

that gender had cheated Du mal of a birthright

9:37

that that class and race has bestowed, and I

9:40

just wanted access to the benefits of that system.

9:42

Not. To some chainsaw system necessarily. But.

9:45

From an early age Rose said Stephanie displayed

9:47

or similar desire if not to change the

9:49

system, that at least not be excluded from

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it. In the early as

9:53

as a nineteen Hundreds inspired by the

9:56

fever of fair Imperialists swagger that was.

9:58

they have a person any at. Modern

10:00

Era. Her a former British

10:02

General named Robert Baden Powell. Had.

10:05

Come up with a new idea to

10:07

implement imperialist and marshall bodies into British

10:09

use. So based on his experiences

10:11

in establishing Britain's colonies in India and in

10:13

the South Africa and also on the success

10:15

of Above, the he wrote about the practicalities

10:17

of seeing a military scout. Established

10:19

a New York use organization called the

10:22

Boy Scouts. And he published

10:24

it's Hundred Bucks and Bible which was

10:26

calls. Scouting. For voice.

10:29

There's. Ah, my son and episodes waiting for

10:31

him as well. Yeah, So.

10:33

The scouting movement took off as I bet he

10:35

was getting for boys as her head. The

10:38

scouting movement took off as a largely self

10:40

organize cinnamon and by Muslim nine just a

10:42

couple of years after his early experiments of

10:44

the Scout Camp. Baden. Powell organize

10:46

a large rally at Crystal Palace in

10:48

London for these new scouts organizations to

10:51

come together. A saw a proto Jamboree.

10:54

Rossa decided the city would like to be a scout.

10:57

Alongside a number of the girls so the

10:59

year before that form their own troop and

11:01

register the scouts but using their initials rather

11:03

than their first names to avoid detection as

11:06

girls. And. On the day they turned

11:08

up at in uniform so that barred from boy

11:10

scouts who the new and they went to a

11:12

rally. Quotes.

11:15

We marched of the entrance, but we were told

11:17

quite semi by stewards that we would not join

11:19

the rally. One girl mister Mod

11:21

would later account. She said. Quite.

11:24

We didn't argue but when the next supervisor

11:26

peers and marched through the gates we had

11:28

they had to come follows on the gate

11:30

marshals blindside. Once inside no power on earth

11:33

would as cause out and quotes. So.

11:36

Baden Powell then approached a scowl to see what

11:38

a fuss was about. And. While

11:40

a first you want the girls ejected he then promise

11:42

that you'd think about it. And. So the

11:44

following year he founded the Girl Guides. Soon

11:46

after, publishing his own Vs Scouting for Boys.

11:49

With. The even more problematic

11:51

titles. How girls can help

11:53

build up the empire. How

11:56

growth in hub though that the Empire half

11:58

as good a late game. A girl

12:00

bus Sir Arthur was involved in this first

12:02

attempt to actually led to the foundation of

12:05

the The Girl Scouts says interesting. A

12:07

wanting to know is also that like with

12:09

Rossa, the Imperial favour of the Baden Powell.

12:12

Was. Also, become a stepping stone into

12:14

Fascism Them his biographer would later write

12:17

quote Baden Powell distrust of Communism led

12:19

to his implicit support through naive A

12:21

T of Fascism. Oh yes, it

12:24

was his name the day. I mean this

12:26

is it. Like a sixty year olds or

12:28

sixty something former left and general the brace

12:30

army. He's commanded military operations on multiple continents.

12:32

He's extremely well read, published, author of dozens

12:34

of books like it's amazing how much people

12:37

from put on to naive at the like

12:39

that he likes a twelve year old add

12:41

salt or something rather than the father's Perhaps

12:43

a logical extension of the politics of empire.

12:46

Is perhaps. A

12:49

way Rosa was still a teenager when

12:51

in nineteen fourteen a war erupted across

12:53

Europe. This us what was. Nevertheless he

12:55

signed up for action, but unlike the

12:57

young men of the time is not

12:59

something that wasn't necessary expected of her

13:01

by society. In a working class women

13:03

took job said been vacated by men

13:05

factories that especially arms race. And.

13:08

Attractive women of ruthless costs might

13:10

be expected to take work either

13:12

in their single fundraising or morale

13:14

raising campaigns. Are Rosa age

13:16

nineteen, joins the Women's Emergency Call which

13:18

was a nice organization founded by suffragettes.

13:20

The looked to train women as doctors

13:23

and motorcycle Korea's and things like that

13:25

for war service. And

13:27

she's then transferred to the Scottish Women's

13:29

Hospital. Call. And. Was shipped

13:31

out to the Balkans to drive ambulances on

13:34

the front line according to lights are cancer

13:36

that on as twice for gallantry, facts of

13:38

heroism she performs on the front line that

13:41

Drayna in Serbia. And. We

13:43

don't really know what happened to either, but like

13:45

many veterans, the settled law is an awesome god

13:47

and it appeared to the facts doesn't arrest for

13:49

life and she was actually invalid back to London.

13:52

Apparently. With Malaria although it does

13:54

appear that it was during this

13:56

time she beat I'm taking more

13:58

morphine for some unnamed wind. So.

14:01

In London, she recovered and she took up

14:03

a new position with the British Red Cross,

14:05

where she was a commandant of the new

14:07

Motor School at Devon To House which is

14:09

right where the Green Part Tube Station I

14:12

was. On Piccadilly. such as a

14:14

photo of her from this time, they

14:16

in a man's uniform and I have

14:18

to admit his brother striking. I'm gonna

14:20

find them. Or eight. So she's

14:22

wearing a big trench coats it's held back

14:24

by her hand on ahead for revealing a

14:26

military unit and the shirts on a tie

14:28

held together by this big. Leather

14:30

infringe infantry mans belt. Oh.

14:33

Work. At this is

14:36

very masculine women, feminine, Mariah rooster

14:38

and whereas the him her highest

14:40

shots and is sweeping down across

14:42

her eyes like so infamous of

14:44

evil in Walberg competes in a

14:46

resemblance under a yes or to

14:48

to use it degenerate American that

14:50

analogy is somewhat Justin Bieber his

14:52

successes at a Set Them On

14:54

that kind of Justin Bieber lesbian

14:56

continue yeah but she's like glaring

14:58

straight into the camera airing Slammer

15:00

A Camera as streamline handsome face.

15:03

And. Hand on the

15:05

hip, big trenchcoat this amazing. Leather

15:08

belts very very sick. Broad.

15:10

Leather belt. it's quite something. This this out

15:12

said yeah I think the color of a

15:14

job is extremely androgynous. Extremely androgynous and a

15:16

have to admit if as us of twenty

15:18

year old Nasa Red Cross had caused a

15:20

gun nicest and most eighteen and Cecil swaggered

15:22

on to my ward like that much on

15:25

bail to resistor. A. Look at

15:27

that cities, look at the faceless where he around and

15:29

it's really something. I mean she's kind of giving evil

15:31

twin Tennessee and her and way she is absolutely lesbians

15:33

can be evil drinks do I think it's very important?

15:36

Me up: Clarify that. So.

15:38

The trauma of the was followed by it's abrupt end must

15:40

have been a real shock for her. Having.

15:42

Found both purpose and so I guess acceptance in

15:44

her identity and indeed credit an honest or her

15:46

actions suddenly should have unexpected like most he and

15:48

with the only one of her age and class.

15:51

To return to her very bought our existence

15:53

and give up her career. Yet

15:56

liked many male proto fascist an immediate postwar

15:58

era there was very strong sense the end

16:00

of the war was no actually the end

16:03

of the struggle, and that the Communist Revolution

16:05

Russia had bought a renewed sense of urgency

16:07

to the task of political organizing. As.

16:11

Or the academic to the Gottlieb rights in

16:13

her book seven and Sexism which has a

16:15

really great chapter on this moment and. British.

16:17

Fascism Quite. Memories. Of

16:19

the roles played by women during the war was

16:21

central to the definition of the movements and constructing

16:24

notions of self worth. right? Wing

16:26

Women emerged from their wartime experiences with

16:28

renewed sense of patriotic endeavor. Combined.

16:30

Of a common sense that they didn't want to

16:33

abandon. The sense of independence will odd given them

16:35

and what. Is. The kind

16:37

of nightmare version of the ceilings of

16:39

for self organization. That Allen

16:41

dare they they mostly argues that have

16:43

sparked gay liberation the Us in the

16:46

diseases x ray that always people had

16:48

been in these on the social environments

16:50

pulled out of traditional gender roles and

16:52

and realize that they like betters have

16:54

to sell together in began searching using

16:56

as exactly up and then and then

16:58

I know version is that when this

17:00

happens to extremely upper class British women

17:02

who have upper class brush attitudes towards

17:04

the working class and I are and

17:07

race their desire for self organization and

17:09

militancy then turns very. That is very.

17:11

Quickly? Absolutely Yeah. And also this is

17:13

not a sentiment limited to to Britain.

17:15

Across Europe, the Far right enjoyed a

17:17

a boom in popularity among returning veterans.

17:20

And among various plus a society looking

17:22

to make sense of this cataclysm of

17:24

the World war and especially terrified of

17:27

they perceived threat Bolshevism. In

17:29

Italy, a journalist named Benito Mussolini formed

17:31

a a new political party that he

17:33

hoped would solve, synthesize, Reactionary.

17:36

Social politics with an attempt

17:38

to replace liberalism and capitalism.

17:40

Where. The politics of the state, the nation

17:42

and the must work at. This.

17:45

He believed was a challenge to the Marxist

17:48

parties who advocate suppose if class over nation.

17:50

Miscellany was not the first to say or

17:53

I saw politics nosy, the and what involved

17:55

in the formation of these parties, but his

17:57

party? the party to that's inadequacy stuff or

17:59

national fast. spotty, Was. Very

18:01

successful. Her galvanize support

18:04

with it's modern propaganda techniques and

18:06

Arma Three Violence. I use

18:08

concept black certain songs to intimidate an

18:10

assault, Trade unionists, socialists and communists, and

18:13

much and twenty two. Just a year

18:15

after he formed this new fascist movement,

18:17

Muscle A D launched a cute attack.

18:20

Seen. As a and infective

18:22

bulwark against revelation by Italian

18:24

conservatives, industrialists see to succeeded.

18:27

And launched more than twenty years

18:29

of fascist dictatorship Initially. You.

18:32

Only a year after what felt. So

18:35

Rossa read about this new party with

18:37

it's bold decisively their this shop. Black

18:39

uniforms in the British press? Oh. And.

18:42

She was inspired. The.

18:44

One afternoon in early spring and nineteen

18:46

twenty two she was gardening, gets her

18:48

home on a farm in Somerset and

18:50

see had read the the Labour Party

18:52

had sent delegates to a Socialist Party

18:54

conference in Germany and so she began

18:56

worrying about potential of international bolshevism take

18:58

root in in Britain through the Labour

19:00

Party's half filled My god and for

19:02

the Labour Party was it is very

19:04

early days of the spawn. So.

19:07

See was digging in a garden Honey, you have

19:09

nothing to worry first. Death. The to is

19:11

digging in the garden and then she was struck by this

19:13

idea. If Britain's week liberal traditions

19:16

we're not going to protect this great

19:18

and present land from communism than men

19:20

or women like herself but shot it

19:22

and conservative citizens who testing by force

19:24

if necessary. So. Following muslims lead,

19:26

she decided on the spot to form

19:28

her own political bank. Odds against the

19:31

Reds. And. She named it's the British

19:33

Fussy Sti. That. The

19:35

Tide Insurance is clear that. Is

19:37

quite different stores in the a misleading

19:39

slow or the author Edward Watt light

19:41

suggests that while quote there's no reason

19:43

to doubt the sincerity of her anticommunist

19:45

fees. but perhaps what terrified have more

19:47

than the force the Soviet flag flusher

19:49

never Buckingham Palace was a prospects of

19:51

watching her life seep into the her

19:53

basis borders. Ten. Into nature

19:55

but never must never mustering it's and

19:58

quotes. To In other words, The

20:00

desire to return to action as much an

20:02

attempt to amend emulate the March on Rome

20:04

was the driving force behind her decision. I.

20:07

Don't think it's entirely unfair Recession, not least,

20:09

because while the image and name may well

20:11

have been by inspired by the Italian Fascists,

20:14

the ideology was remarkably different. And ball few

20:16

of us, let's go on. Economic characteristics of

20:18

corporatism and syndicalism. Dot. I'm for

20:20

many people had mates muscling his body. So

20:22

attractive. But. Then

20:24

one of the defining characteristics of forces

20:26

and is it's malleability to the unique

20:28

social conditions of the country's i imagine.

20:31

So although the Italian Fascists in the

20:34

German Nazi party had found on policy

20:36

on territorial domination and anti communism, They

20:39

did differ significantly in many ways. But.

20:41

Rosa Linton Omens party was.

20:44

More. Different still. Ideologically speaking, it

20:46

was a sort of Tory party on steroids

20:48

Of gonna say a Tory party on cocaine

20:50

by the Tory from some cocaine as the

20:52

Tory party. Allegedly. So

20:55

according to the historian of Fascism,

20:57

recent Thurlow quotes the British for

20:59

Cst reflected Roselend on Almonds own

21:02

experience of the Girl Guides public

21:04

service at a military background draven

21:06

any emulation of continental Us. Examples

21:08

are ideologies. As a result,

21:10

the Bf was organized as a cross

21:12

between a glorified Boy Scouts movement, a

21:14

paramilitary group, and point. Which.

21:16

Sounds like a very so dismissive antifascist

21:18

this, but I was actually something that

21:21

they themselves identified with. A lead

21:23

to presence of the group said to that

21:25

was forms quote uphold the same lofty ideals

21:27

of brotherhood, service and duty as the Boy

21:29

Scouts. But.

21:31

Is quite different ambition from you know, March

21:34

on Rome and sees the state's rights. Nevertheless,

21:37

Organizing any political party or even one

21:39

formed on the ideology of the Boy

21:41

Scouts is a seat. operation. So

21:44

her mother blunts the daughter of this

21:46

field Marshal got her daughter's new venture

21:48

off the ground of a Lopez see

21:50

the money of just fifty thousand pounds

21:52

which is equivalent to about four million

21:54

pounds today. Oh you notice

21:56

a little. Puttering. Around my yeah yeah,

21:58

her mother is ready. Neither embrace fascism

22:00

ruff than her. So.

22:03

In that donation I think israel clue to to

22:05

what's going on. Head of the bridge for she's

22:07

the west or formed by the way with children

22:09

of this British elites and. Of the

22:11

middle classes to protect their bellies. Unlike

22:13

Italians, insists the idea of it being a

22:16

group that could mobilize the power of the

22:18

magnified working classes in favor of. Honor

22:20

of tradition and nation and state was not

22:22

a cause that beliefs. Instead,

22:24

it was formed to defend the

22:27

pre existing social hierarchy and call

22:29

conservative values. Motivated. By

22:31

fear of socialism in wasn't plus organization.

22:33

And maybe laser twelve or the time

22:36

as on a phobia met later anti

22:38

semitism. It

22:40

wasn't the only organization to this Of course

22:42

of a groups included The British Empire Union.

22:44

And also the most brazen impossible for

22:46

any Saw political group. The. Middle Classes

22:49

Union Oh my daughter every the British

22:51

equivalent to that Us and group the

22:53

Mom is for labour in a very

22:55

very similar yeah to the at the

22:58

reason know something about America to understand

23:00

why Mom's for Liberty is the most

23:02

terrifying. Let's not get ahead and a

23:04

nice time. Yeah they were the middle

23:07

classes union God The Middle Classes even

23:09

was formed in the aftermath of the

23:11

night's eighteen Reform Act which case all

23:13

working class men the right to vote

23:15

of heaven defend and that was the

23:18

see. A sudden strike action the Cc

23:20

seat of their property and then as

23:22

soon enough eugenics because they feared the

23:24

grass and the western class. So.

23:28

Drew his members from the same class as

23:30

Rossana family, presumably through their social links with

23:32

the Elite. So the Etti memes, the brush

23:34

for she's the were primarily high ranking members

23:37

of society, lords, offices, and things like this.

23:39

So. As an example, I'm choosing a handful. Not

23:42

based on the seniority like if you're looking

23:44

a seniority they were the Tory pay a

23:46

lot and it's Hamilton and the Marcus of

23:48

ale sprayed with members of the party but

23:50

rather on the season is ones on the

23:52

basis of how absurdly British their names are.

23:54

Not a Tory here being in and assess

23:56

assess at them and hell is send a

23:58

police afro next door number. The number of

24:01

Tory bears isn't as all the organization so

24:03

we have such an illustrious society figures. As.

24:06

Thousand and Temple God lengthen the fifth

24:08

l temple of stoke. City.

24:11

Baroness Zeus. It's. Brigadier.

24:14

General Sir Omen still at bay.

24:17

winter. And. Admiral

24:19

Sir Reginald Godfrey Otway Topper.

24:22

Discovered this is the arrival of the Tupperware

24:24

to assess assess. This. Is the

24:27

most common south from which brace fascism

24:29

is drawing it's eternal blood through the

24:31

Zeus isn't suppose. So

24:35

the party was organized and national and

24:37

I county level eventually. like the Italian

24:39

black shirts and the brown shirts and

24:41

Germany they have another and polymer para

24:43

military uniform with a blue shirt a

24:45

berry. And.charles's Oscars. Once again

24:47

even Patty Hearst couldn't philosopher A and

24:49

she had money and again assistant so

24:52

did rather breath her privacy can pull

24:54

off to a Had this grand council

24:56

with a president. The first president was

24:58

a lot Java. On

25:00

the else at a party flag up a

25:02

logo and up a bad and the badges

25:04

very telling to my months while the Italian

25:07

forces took is there like oh that sucks

25:09

they you know the the sort of bundle

25:11

of bounds sticks around and acts which obviously

25:13

hawks but ancient Rome. And. The

25:15

nazis took as as the The

25:17

which supposedly recalls this entirely fictitious

25:19

Perry and Roots. The. British

25:21

for seized he took his. There's a black

25:23

and white round over a white. The Orcs arose

25:26

with a christian cross in the center. Which.

25:28

Was suspended over the center of the Randall. which

25:31

had in the center the large letter s.

25:34

And then around the edge of the Randall the

25:36

motto for king and country. So.

25:38

Thing this shows in many ways this

25:40

of ideological, many even bread maneuverability of

25:42

fascism. They adopted the ascetic tendency for

25:44

nostalgia and grievances. The. Core. Driver

25:47

of a political programmers different in

25:49

each country, right? And they're it's

25:51

said. organized around as the preservation

25:53

of an existing. As

25:56

opposed to the creation of a fictitious

25:58

asians as he soon and. The to

26:00

reorganize society around that. Yeah, anesthetic is

26:02

ready. A large see conservative must, not

26:04

a small see concept of by large

26:06

the conservative image of England's of the

26:09

county and of. The King and country.

26:11

And the Yorkshire Rose. So nineteen twenty five Rosso

26:14

wrote this about the principles of the prices for

26:16

see stay at his as an alarm clock going

26:18

to redux. I think it really gives a good

26:20

flavor. Suck where she's coming from. Quotes.

26:23

A peculiarity about British Fascism is a

26:26

have no prosper the traditions to fetch

26:28

er it's actions is based on certain

26:30

principles and can therefore speak out in

26:32

favor what it believes to be remedial

26:34

measures without having to explain it's not

26:36

Herons to the previous declarations of weak

26:38

kneed exponents is only desired was shelf

26:40

awkward questions. During the

26:42

two years of his existence certain basic principles

26:45

of a merged and on them it's past,

26:47

present and future actions of based. First.

26:49

Of all it's a definite challenge spawn

26:51

and to the vile disease as bought

26:53

us to occurrence deplorable conditions. Softness.

26:56

Sentimentalism. Flabby compromise and

26:59

soulless acceptance of catch phrases without examination

27:01

is that true or false teeth are

27:03

amongst the main since into the melody.

27:06

What we want is a return to

27:08

all cops, the realty, A

27:10

fearless exposure of plain truth. And

27:13

a determination to get the right kingdom

27:15

day regardless of immediate consequences. Buses.

27:18

Can and Must showed away ready as a matter

27:20

of life and death. Surely

27:22

there must be millions in Islam to feel as we

27:24

do. Let us be open doing

27:26

let us give up something of our spare

27:28

time and resources for our country. And.

27:30

Let the word go forth that we do

27:32

not intend to allow fainthearted politicians on the

27:35

one side or Moscow driven traitors on the

27:37

other to rec our homes. Our lives are

27:39

the lungs of our fathers. But.

27:41

Enough of this recent speech from the

27:43

Tory Party conference. You know it. There's

27:45

a lot of things that are still

27:47

remain very important drivers. embrace. Political

27:50

life which is as of resentment of

27:52

the idea that as a political class

27:54

that out of touch and flabby and

27:56

not making important decisions. And

27:58

also costs array the strong sense that

28:00

the idea that they represent a silent

28:03

majority of ones thinking this of the

28:05

that common sense of the average man

28:07

has been left behind. If you take

28:09

the word fascist out and put the

28:11

word briggs it in a genuinely sound

28:13

very daily mail or. Not

28:15

a million miles. Whether or not very

28:17

the thing that you the kind of

28:19

thing that written by who's vile person's

28:21

feel goes around. Brace yourself as Britain

28:23

served his headmistress. Exactly. Now that

28:26

really is getting that yeah radius and

28:28

also by the same time whereas in

28:30

Italy you have the sunlight bombastic. Process.

28:33

Movement calling all men to reach for the

28:35

gun and take in and join the army

28:37

and. Give up a bit you

28:39

give it aired. Yeah, yes. something of our spare

28:42

time and resources. It is very much one of

28:44

bake a cake though. Church fatal something in his

28:46

tone is very weird. Yeah, Luna.

28:48

Britain that isn't exactly a sewing keeping

28:50

of this peculiar in this a seat

28:53

and chauvinism they are. She renamed themselves

28:55

just chests and fuzzy steaks. And.

28:58

A party was to grow considerably of the

29:00

falling five years. It's official membership I

29:02

guess on vastly over inflated in not and

29:05

twenty six two and a general strike at

29:07

tend to have two hundred thousand members in

29:09

Britain. we should have made it about the

29:11

same size as a labour party the time.

29:13

Later. On had claim almost a

29:15

million which is just ridiculous. But.

29:17

It was quite successful and less twenty five

29:20

had membership fees or around seven thousand pounds,

29:22

which is about half a million pounds in

29:24

today's money. And. They organized

29:26

rallies and they publish newspapers or node

29:28

also act as security for meetings of

29:31

the conservative party to avoid them been

29:33

disrupted by communists. Some Tory

29:35

mps to denounce them. But. They

29:37

did receive a considerable support from a

29:39

number of other conservative mps. Shocked, I

29:41

tell ya I am I'm who even

29:44

butts them rooms for them to use

29:46

and how says meeting places in the

29:48

house of parliament? Shocked I tell you.

29:50

I am opposed to discover that there

29:52

has been sashes and going on in

29:55

this conservatives down the front of. A

29:57

nineteen, Twenty six. The. British. The

30:00

fascists provided six hundred paramilitaries as

30:02

stewards for a Conservative party rally

30:04

at the Albert Hall. And

30:06

they marched their flag and for center the whole

30:09

as fond of hope and glory blade. But.

30:11

Most significantly, provoke probably for the tories,

30:13

at least, was that commitment to anti

30:15

trade unionism. This led to one

30:17

of the many ideological splits in a party. When.

30:20

The general Strikes we got a month and twenty

30:22

six. Rossa. Offered the

30:24

Organization for the Maintenance of Supplies

30:26

which was this right wing. Official

30:29

strike breaking grape that was seems to

30:31

coordinate deliveries to strike she off the

30:33

municipal of her followers and also a

30:35

fleet of cause and on to drive.

30:38

People. Who are scabbing to work. The

30:40

Home Secretary, however then threatened to

30:42

resign from the organization of acceptance

30:44

the press must offer because the

30:46

object instance very vague commitment within

30:48

the Brush assists. Towards a corporate

30:50

a. And. Then

30:53

the presence of the British fascists Robert

30:55

Blakeney, As he agreed with him. And

30:57

and so he attempted to rewrite the

30:59

party constitution to explicitly state as belief

31:02

and parliamentary democracy. But. Rossa refused

31:04

and she managed to in enough party

31:06

members over to stymie this constitutional signs.

31:09

And then Blakely quit the party. And.

31:11

On the other side of the party, on the rights of the

31:13

party, A another spent a great

31:15

requesting a posse. Complaining. That

31:17

the name change and this blobby,

31:19

ill defined ideology wasn't close enough

31:21

to mislead fascism. Know. Is that

31:24

anti semitic enough for that? tastes? So

31:26

they form this new group called the National

31:28

Fussy State. An interesting Italy. A

31:30

later recruits to national for C C

31:32

was one colonel that to Barca a

31:35

trans man who didn't. The special episode

31:37

on with Juliet Jake's if he has

31:39

houses are missing to so she's my

31:41

boss and see clearly if not books

31:44

then androgynous know presentation which made her

31:46

a subject of ridicule even some members

31:48

of our and party times. but conversely

31:50

her gender presentation became an object and

31:53

focus for new authorities. Not really is

31:55

a serious transgressions and for them but

31:57

almost. Almost. The reason for them

31:59

to. The gods or is no threat a toll

32:01

they thought like this is silly. Women:

32:04

Thirty. Bucks Women: Are was you

32:06

Less and less? The question really has. So.

32:09

In a Loss or says especially and less academic

32:11

publications she's claimed as one, but there isn't much

32:13

in a way of evidence. Of course

32:15

question is kind of fun. These problems. And.

32:18

At some point we have to make

32:20

our own understandings around. the talking about

32:23

on a brings a table ask. For

32:27

example, a Sarasin talking about that.

32:30

I'm asked for feminine fascism. Remarks:

32:33

On an anecdote about addressing in court

32:35

mail clothing for Christmas party. He

32:38

writes. In a book that features

32:40

the word lesbian only once in a

32:42

footnote, it's hard not to read the

32:44

extremely vague phrase cloak a preference for

32:46

women in uniform which could refer to

32:49

trans muscling and donations, lesbian eroticism or

32:51

a general says patriotic conformity. As.

32:53

The Liberal obscure ration. Nonetheless,

32:56

The image conjured is is clear and painful as a nice

32:58

to be. A person is existence

33:00

was so restricted and his choices are

33:02

so misguided. The one, the few places

33:04

they so able to express their gender

33:06

identity was a fascist Children's Club Christmas

33:08

party. Where. She'd gotten drunk as a man.

33:11

I did find actually though, a

33:13

very interesting primary source on an

33:15

extremely fucking stupid fascist website. But.

33:18

It was a photograph. Of a

33:20

book that has belonged to Marry Severe

33:22

Allen he was a fascist, a lesbian

33:24

and found out that women's placing in

33:26

the Uk who taught by an accredited

33:28

that episodes. And. I'm and

33:30

this is a. Astana, Bespoke and says

33:33

it seems a very believable, very plausible

33:35

our i don't know why else you

33:37

it's. Pretty. Set. As

33:39

a the book was called Women at Home

33:41

which was published by The Home Magazine. I

33:44

was like an annual under appears rice as

33:46

inscribed it to quote to there is Mary

33:48

with all my warmest and heartfelt good wishes

33:50

Yes, he was so right. We women must

33:53

learn to love one another. So.

33:55

With my fullest love brothel into an

33:57

arm and London! Nineteen nineteen and Los

33:59

has been. Double underlined in both

34:01

instances. I'm and furthermore

34:03

within the book on our school in

34:05

and titles are Women Living With Women.

34:08

Written. By someone called Christine Job

34:10

Slade. About women who were living together.

34:12

We're outta husband's during the war. Rossa.

34:15

Has made annotations, Am.

34:17

After the sentence which raise their requiring

34:19

by Nasa's to necessary all the ruff

34:21

ingredients of comradeship which makes for a

34:24

wider independence and a bigger recognition of

34:26

individuality than is usually married life. Wrote.

34:29

The rights in all caps and or

34:31

capitals. Please. And

34:35

I'm She notes. By. Side: How

34:37

true and purposeful she writes By the side of

34:39

this licking the article. And then when

34:42

they ought author writes about the pleasures of

34:44

these quote interludes of see It Eve. Rossa.

34:47

Notes: In. The in the

34:49

margin quote Mary I adore

34:51

my interludes of series Ah.

34:54

So assume the book is genuine and I

34:56

think you'd be a very weird thing to

34:58

do supports door her interludes. As she has

35:00

admitted it, Follow. I'm saying is

35:02

is my guide our is ready pinging the

35:05

sentiments. We. Have a sense

35:07

of why this precious website is

35:09

promoting. The. Stories these two

35:11

being gay for one so I don't

35:13

a link to the website because it's

35:15

like just straight hitler worship bullshit but

35:18

it's from saw American Fascists website was

35:20

also does a law as like I

35:22

and glamour shots of of women at

35:24

another some weird. Nazi.

35:27

Fetishism as released from a d some of

35:29

the some of the actual the political side

35:31

of their at Unreal know but like. That.

35:35

That's. Supposed range. From.

35:37

Some Mary Suffer Allen was seventeen years old of

35:39

and Rice that who was in her early twenties

35:42

when a book was printed. But.

35:44

Nonetheless, the idea that that know each other

35:46

isn't unusual at all. Both was stationed in

35:48

London at into the war. Mary.

35:50

Was running a women's placing training school

35:52

and rifle was run the Red Cross

35:54

motor station in both in leadership positions.

35:57

Both were in a very unusual position of

35:59

being. Russian women in leadership positions and

36:01

both. Transgressed. The norms are

36:03

expected of young women of the time and

36:06

also gender norms. And

36:08

perhaps most persuasively. Both.

36:10

Also sad far right politics.

36:14

By the Spencers interesting about gender within

36:16

the British Fascists. Although. Rosa

36:18

wasn't the party leader to start. She is the

36:20

truth founder I'm She was the lead of the

36:22

women's units. But. They did. That.

36:25

There was a unique role I think of women

36:27

in the brush Fascists. Unlike as a British bust

36:30

movements, women were always have the highest echelons of

36:32

the party. And what's more,

36:34

the party organize specifically and heavily with women.

36:36

It was the only party with an all

36:38

women's Para military unit free for example. They

36:41

organize something called the League of Empire

36:43

Housewives which was a saw of consume

36:46

action group which provided literature and also.

36:48

Pins. For women to wear to

36:50

identify to shopkeepers that they were only going

36:53

to by British British Empire products so they

36:55

should. Be. Given anything else,

36:58

Are. They also organize the Fascists Children's

37:00

Club. Which. Run these social

37:02

and educational programs for children and the

37:04

Bs claimed that Quote women especially should

37:07

make it that task and duty to

37:09

prevent the spirit of the Red Menace

37:11

to influence the future said since of

37:13

the Empire and close to them Gone

37:15

to describe how and month and twenty

37:17

seven seats on the East End with

37:19

a troupe of fifteen fascist women to

37:21

try him. Roundup Support Star New Fascists

37:23

Children's Club that. But. She ended

37:25

up getting trapped on a railway station. By.

37:27

A group of read says you'd call it. But.

37:30

Also by a crowd of two hundred

37:32

children from the east and whereupon quotes

37:34

the children started throwing things at us

37:36

that that the deficit and ago children

37:38

from the east and the kids are

37:41

alright. However, following

37:43

the Exo Blakeney as the As A

37:45

Leader of As A Present after General

37:47

Strike Roaster herself a seems commander the

37:49

organization. And things ready staunch go

37:51

downhill from there. According to

37:54

recent Thurlow, she had quite a tenuous

37:56

grasp of reality. And

37:58

the possibly and shift even further

38:00

the right adopting an explicitly racist

38:03

ideology while moving further from mainstream

38:05

conservatism. Fascism. Will

38:07

replace Milton Water Conservatism for I. So we're

38:09

out in much as you think. One.

38:12

Should start to party about ten years earlier,

38:14

see a decline to be the only fascist

38:17

groups around, but by the early thirties there

38:19

are many groups, some much more organized and

38:21

better funded in the Bf and in thirty

38:23

one. Came. The British even

38:25

in the fascists well it's not as the single

38:27

the new party but and be kinda press seen

38:29

in the fascists. Which. Is formed

38:32

by the former Conservative independent

38:34

and Labour mp Oswald Mosley.

38:37

Soon. As earliest stages most the his attempt to

38:39

bring a the Bf into his new party. But.

38:42

This cause the most serious rest yet. but A B

38:44

S. Many. Of Us Mail

38:46

leaders supported imagine seeing a better organized

38:49

party with more clearly defined fascist principles

38:51

and goals. But most the

38:53

female leaders, including Rossa opposed it.

38:56

And partly on the grounds that they

38:58

saw am most these economic principles is

39:00

t close to socialism. For. Also,

39:02

according to Edward whites because they need that

39:05

within the Brits Union of Fascists. Women:

39:07

Would not be up to play such a key role in

39:09

the movements. But. The leading men

39:11

last and they took most of the membership with

39:13

them. Allowing Mosley third jibe at

39:15

them from the podium that the British Fascists

39:17

were quote just three old ladies and a

39:20

couple of office boys. But.

39:23

It wasn't just the politics of also

39:25

Linton Almonds behavior which helped convince many

39:27

fascists thought the Bf wasn't busted flush.

39:31

Bankrolled, By Mother Dearest. Bros.

39:33

His life seems increasingly distillates, with accounts

39:35

have orgies, the her home and party

39:37

offices, and since the First World War.

39:40

Roaster. Had struggled with substance abuse

39:42

problems probably as a result of

39:44

her. Morphing. Addiction, there's your

39:46

folks Com I just hear orgies and

39:48

more. Seen. The. The

39:50

Special branch which is part of the Breast

39:53

Police that of deal with political distance caps

39:55

a file on her. And they noted

39:57

in Nineteen Thirty Three that they were approached by a friend

39:59

of hers. The alleged that quote some of the

40:01

members of the organization, we're constantly playing missile

40:03

into an arm and with drink and drugs

40:05

with a view to extracting money from her.

40:08

Than. Toward. Her. Mother

40:10

then stopped funding the bass altogether and

40:12

then she cut off most of her

40:14

dos allowance. And. When her mother

40:16

was visited by the Special branch or her

40:18

home, she said she was quite of the

40:20

opinion that drunk and allergies and undesirable practices

40:22

take place at her home residents which has

40:25

been loan to her daughter and that some

40:27

of the leading members of the Bs or

40:29

living on the letters, allowance and quote. By.

40:32

Ninety Thirty Four The party was in desperate

40:34

shape when one of its supporters demanded the

40:37

return of a five hundred pound loan. On

40:39

able to pay he stop them into

40:41

bankruptcy and Rossa than went into rehab.

40:44

And. The next time ship as an historical

40:47

records is the following March when she

40:49

dies alone in a hotel buggy. The.

40:51

Barely. A month of the have foreseen fortieth

40:54

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40:56

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the show. While

42:19

you thanks for that, a really

42:21

incredible story of a truly awful

42:23

person. Ah, what the word, The

42:26

attitudes of the British Fascists around

42:28

gender and sexuality. Because of course

42:30

we know that in many places

42:33

that Ashes movements were specifically organizing

42:35

with the End in and trying

42:37

to kind of bring together this

42:39

backlash against the new Women against

42:42

changing gender roles, against see no

42:44

masculine Women and Senate and Men.

42:47

Worrier, The British Fascists promoting this

42:49

kind of that when injury women and men

42:51

should be men line. With.

42:53

Their leaders as a kind of exception

42:55

who are feeding. The you know. The.

42:58

Freedoms and how within the highest echelons

43:00

to advocate. recently green different from what

43:02

they advocated publicly. Or. Where

43:04

the British Fascists for this reason losing

43:06

the seems a little bit more and

43:08

affair organizing. They.

43:11

Obviously believed in a song gender roles and

43:13

I'm a split between the roles and purposes

43:16

of men or women, but they believed. More

43:18

the things I'm a Laugh or the

43:20

fascists and incentives and extremely active participation

43:23

of women in the organization has as

43:25

I much. A meal see and

43:27

from some mr things I quoted like. This.

43:30

Obsession? I guess what? virility? And

43:32

also lot within the British Fascists

43:34

of the idea that the women

43:36

were. A threat from socialism

43:38

from this red tide. and also that

43:40

the Britannia as this feminine a sanitation

43:42

of Britain was at threat and pot.

43:45

The reason leather threat as we couldn't

43:47

because men had let down their side

43:49

of the bargain. To. So.

43:52

While women had as distinct gender roles

43:54

in a school within the organization, it

43:56

wasn't necessarily. Second, Rail Pass if

43:58

they were sort of saying. Why are you leaving

44:01

out the women today? This? Come on man,

44:03

we have to deal with. This is your

44:05

job. You should be out here to same

44:07

almost men into feather militancy. And does

44:09

he was erode the you know decided

44:11

that is this varies of androgynous image

44:13

that we have of Raza. You.

44:15

Know in the be in that book with Mary

44:18

she's writing in the margins Young you. Eve.

44:21

Time and all, this area seems like it is

44:23

a very sort of lesbian vacation. She identifies as

44:25

a woman she's in. She's. Not victim

44:27

are her I? She's not. Absolutely.

44:29

Outraged Mascara? No, I don't There is a

44:32

kind of boys. Or. Butch presentation

44:34

that is part of that. Are

44:36

that are talking about? Yeah, I mean I think

44:38

there's definitely. Within the contest for

44:41

time or be seen as genders tendon divergent

44:43

or we'd see a sense divers behavior like

44:45

the way says presenting stuff. She's

44:47

written about frequently, both my mom's around

44:49

party and by others As a spinster,

44:52

that's how she's contextualized. A means

44:54

you know this is quite young at point of

44:56

star the party. Putting. D The implication

44:58

that might be around something to do

45:00

is that she's renounced. She's already renounced

45:02

men. You. Know like the I

45:05

was like of course on and of horizon class

45:07

with this must be married very young by of

45:09

feel like saw him he's twenty three still not

45:11

necessary yet and spinster territory. I don't know about

45:13

the I think it's a seems very clear to

45:15

me that that. Way. Ceased self

45:17

describing and. Her relationship

45:19

with women seems to be very

45:21

specific lesbian. I'm. Rather,

45:24

Than yeah, trans monsieur them. If

45:27

there's something about British high class

45:29

white feminism that makes it like

45:31

extra fascist. Thanks.

45:35

An easy one. I

45:37

think there's something about the

45:39

British A leads to the

45:42

makes it predisposed to extremely

45:44

authoritarian moral. Action Price.

45:46

And. Whatever. The whatever the

45:49

nature that politics or when the nature of our

45:51

politics As feminists. At that. Performs

45:53

in that way To I mean so. A

45:55

thing as very interesting roots. I mean we talk about a

45:57

little bit and need a funny episode on Cross the Deck.

46:00

And I can ready recommends the Ice

46:02

Assassin or score must been Fascism on

46:04

turf islands. Which is on

46:06

his website. A certain a success in.com because

46:09

I really. Do this is

46:11

a lot these routes yeah around send

46:13

a policing and sexual placing so you

46:15

get from the emerging the late nineteenth

46:17

century which is the first wave. Feminism

46:19

is very much based around upper class

46:21

women police in of morals of working

46:23

class women and that's kind of that

46:25

movement emerges. As the same

46:27

time I don't think I see

46:29

feminism as in the class position

46:31

and even then there as myriad

46:33

examples in embrace Society of for

46:35

women and feminists that periods of

46:37

a similar social class moving much

46:39

for the last and taking and

46:41

my mind much better Politics. Sylvia.

46:44

Pankhurst for example. Yes, yes or indeed. the

46:46

Mitford of the Mitford Sisters who one day

46:48

some somehow I'm gonna squeeze may be free

46:51

to brother Tom by squeezing are squeezing. And

46:53

that said, about a month And sisters, who

46:55

is. Fascinating. Super

46:58

fucked Up. For example, The Press aristocracy.

47:00

Of whom. One. Of whom was

47:02

a nazi. As. In

47:05

friends have hit a nazi. And.

47:07

Her sister who she said a bedroom

47:09

with was path communist of the marxist

47:12

leninist variety to runaway to the Spanish

47:14

Civil War to try and kill fascists.

47:16

A laugh. So document said

47:19

jessica. Is an example of

47:21

from this exact Amelia who goes on and

47:23

you know it isn't very involved in. Leftwing.

47:26

Organizing and takes a much more radical

47:28

feminists position. Another

47:30

great example here is and this is definitely

47:32

spoiling a future episode of the show. But.

47:35

Decreed Wagner whose Record: Wagner son

47:37

who's himself a bad composer but

47:40

also conductor. Proven. Ends

47:42

up being pressured to marry. He

47:44

marries and English Winifred Clint Worth.

47:47

They have four children Secret Wagner

47:49

dies in nineteen thirty and Winifred

47:51

is the one who like invites

47:53

Hitler and really the lines the

47:55

family legacy totally with fascism and

47:57

is extremely enthusiastic fascist. Our to.

48:00

Yeah please. English. right?

48:03

There are all sorts of variants of different

48:05

forms of i missed organizing even within the

48:07

upper classes. And of course, like within the

48:09

working class, that and tries to was feminism

48:11

in England are much more motivated by a

48:14

leftwing. Position. Of course. So.

48:17

And Rosa Barrow Lint or and will endure

48:19

Norman. Good Gay. Bad. Not gay that I

48:21

think we can agree on. Bad: That. I'm

48:24

definitely bots and I think faggot

48:26

faggot to say. Gay. But.

48:29

Also are already solved project termination

48:31

to the lie space sad story

48:33

as well. Yeah. as

48:35

many fascists in depth do, which of course

48:37

doesn't excuse what they do with with

48:39

a bigger than seventh. So what were some

48:42

of the sources that you used to research

48:44

this episode? Maybe ones that aren't on

48:46

American Nazi West as. Well

48:48

as. Calling Cross who were

48:51

a book called the Fascists in Britain

48:53

as I used extensively and also Flashes

48:55

Than Britain by written selling. Or

48:58

then there's the fascinating book which an a

49:00

success also quotes from which is Feminine Fascism

49:02

by to the Godly push Guess what? Learn

49:04

some Listeria on gender which is well worth

49:06

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