"I like university professors, but we shouldn't hold them up as the high watermark of all human achievement. They're just a form of life; another form of life. 

But they're rather curious, and I say this out of affection for them. There's something curious about professors, in my experience; not all of them, but typically - they live in their heads. 

They live up there and slightly to one side. 

They're disembodied in a kind of literal way. 

They look upon their body as a form of transport for their heads, don't they? 

It's a way of getting their head to meetings."

Said Sir Ken Robinson in his No 1 TED Talk on how schools can kill creativity, so what better intro to our #ARTCONNECTS podcast with a man, a dad, a professor who is similarly inspiring, grounded and globally impactful in his role as Co-Chair  of the OECD PISA committee for Creative Thinking.

We give you Prof Bill Lucas, recorded here in an echoey room at the University of Winchester back in 2019