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i had on the books i was doing

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wrestling in march of twenty twenties

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tokyo to o'hare and then

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and i were unable to speak at that

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time but that's is that time i got booked

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on a show with iraq and then i could

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ask kevin about his time with the rocks and

3:58

of course all of the wonderful time there that

4:00

he has done over the years that

4:02

is cometary when your personality

4:04

like kevin kelly it's not just

4:06

about go to work talk about

4:09

the matches and then go home i mean it

4:11

is for some but for the most part of you wanna

4:13

be a success in wrestling you're

4:15

not a professional wrestler you

4:17

have to be a jack of all trades

4:20

unless you're literally so

4:23

good like let's say you're a referee if

4:25

you're literally the best referee in the

4:27

world but i think charles robinson

4:29

still on ring duty learn

4:31

how to put up a ring kevin kelly so

4:34

good a commentary has one the observer

4:36

awards for years and years

4:39

but still always understood the

4:41

importance of doing everything

4:43

you get their foot the door and then you keep

4:45

your foot the door kevin kelly so

4:48

great that and will hear all about

4:50

it which will happen here on

4:52

this show so that's though they

4:55

do as for me oh

4:57

i was in the seats a little bit this week

4:59

it's so funny the think

5:01

about who are the people telling

5:04

the journalists the information

5:06

because i definitely wasn't me out and tell

5:08

them anything it was reported

5:10

that i cited new contract and i did sign

5:12

a new contract there was something

5:15

reported about ring of honor that i have i have

5:17

no clue about that i just know i

5:19

sighed new car drag i don't know who

5:21

reported it somebody who knew something

5:23

obviously reported and i only

5:25

say that because it just makes me

5:27

think of people that report stuff a

5:30

week were in my wrestling

5:32

brain so obvious

5:35

that people are leaking stuff to

5:37

people i guess for me someone

5:39

has just been arrested for so long and knows the personalities

5:42

like can see a mile away that

5:45

do the wrestling journalism

5:47

people or whatever it is but

5:49

what's the story gets out it gets out

5:51

and it spreads like wildfire and

5:54

it's there's a true art

5:55

do it there's a true are to manipulating

5:57

the wrestling journalism world

6:00

that might be my new podcast

6:02

it's no longer to be the are depressing it could be

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the art of do being the wrestling journal

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with his

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maybe that's going to be my next successful

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podcast adventure otherwise

6:12

for me business as usual i'm

6:14

streaming i'm trying to put our contents

6:17

and work it out i'm getting ready like dennis

6:19

their bomb on the trampoline i'm looking

6:21

for the call and between the call

6:24

i am doing other outside shows him doing comedy

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shows i'm trying to keep my brain moving

6:29

trying to stay inspired the little

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sad that i won't be doing the edinburgh fringe festival

6:33

this year i guess technically i

6:35

could i am now double

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boosted but at the

6:40

time of sign up it just seemed a little

6:42

scary to be a very enclosed

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basement for thirty days straight in

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scotland hindsight maybe

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i would be ready to go at this present times

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who knows those numbers are change in every single week

6:54

i do recommend going back in the seed

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there's so many different edinburgh shows

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live art of residence remember which

7:01

include some pretty famous comedians

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kinane even nikki a the

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seeds before she went to the wwf

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and demo before he was the ww ii great

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oh being a silly goose and so many more

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so i recommend going back in the

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feed checking out those past edinburgh

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shows they're so much fine if you're looking for a

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mixture of both comedy and

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wrestling also if you're looking for a mixture of comedy

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wrestling i suggest marty and sarah

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love wrestling what a fun podcast that

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to real silly belize

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the also love wrestling and be doing

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a podcast every single week for

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like five years now maybe even more

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the and zero love wrestling but this is

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not martins their love wrestling is the

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art of wrestling this is talking with people

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so you invested how much in this set up

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seven already asking me sixty

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six is the audio question says

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come on third your fucking phone i did

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some research and

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this animal have for years couple microphones

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recently got a road sponsorship from

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road microphones and tables outstanding

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i have a zoom here this is the travel

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still not turning off the net

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i'm working on it every go the

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little guy ah into the packers

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equipment changed over the years and

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i mean i'm not doing a week to a podcast anymore

10:35

so it's not like i

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have to keep up to date it feel what i have works

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in a the and it is what it is whatever

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you invested in that set

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up paid off long

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since beta abu zubaydah you know

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when i was it's funny because i was when

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i was inevitable he

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you can call eat when you're themselves as

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it's it's then they got the us out

11:01

it was oh i sdn studio

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equipment you gotta have this you gotta have that

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minimum five brand now

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i do new japan shows from home the

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u s the court in my computer

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and free software and

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it works great

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was like two hundred or so when you think when

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we think about that stuff i just say

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imagine and twenty years now or thirty

11:24

years from now gonna

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be like how people say you couldn't make it gives a couple

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guess on your i phone but it sounds shitty yeah

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but you'll be able to purchase on your i saw my

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get studio quality desert i bought

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of a little at because i got

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because nice sennheiser headset and

11:41

but i have a usb connection

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for that now so i can take that with

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me when i'm in japan if i

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need to do something there which invariably

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i wind up having to do when you were when you say

11:52

when you indo to yes will get all of it but

11:56

work was there the weather

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radio type was there's i know your c'mon announcing

12:00

stuff

12:02

if we're talking about podcasting and all of that

12:04

like where you a part of the bite this

12:06

or any of that again of stuff like was

12:09

that their idea of like trying to get into

12:11

howard stern type radio or

12:14

it was

12:15

the content for the fledgling

12:17

website which again at first

12:19

when i got there they only had the aol

12:22

the action

12:24

though i know very well yes

12:26

i was a bit as a jack of

12:28

how much long distance you

12:30

know dollars was ran for a my parents know

12:33

very laws of which

12:35

is another thing as saying as saying years right

12:37

in a note on your internet will cost a set a pool

12:39

be free to they will be at it was a

12:43

it was a way to get content it was a way

12:45

to a lot

12:47

of the genesis of the what

12:49

is known as the attitude era came from

12:52

the magazines because vince russo was

12:55

that edit editor in chief

12:57

the pushed

12:59

that philosophy of we

13:01

need to be edgy like we're doing on raw magazine

13:04

the w f magazine was

13:06

you know for everybody but raw was sort of like

13:08

the shoot you know the insides dust and

13:11

that was what he sold vince

13:14

one and why broad

13:16

took a discernably as year track

13:20

they'll bite this was a

13:23

awaited deliver content but also kind

13:25

of be real with people now vince

13:27

russo wanted to be howard stern so

13:30

when he first started doing the shows with the it

13:32

was you know toilet flushing sound effects

13:34

and wacky stuff and

13:36

then then doing it and then we just made

13:38

it more of an interview show was there

13:40

ever radio talk was anything they

13:43

had done the radio wwf before

13:45

i got there before you got and there wasn't

13:49

i never remember any conversation about that

13:51

because the police at the time was that

13:53

terrestrial radio was going to be going

13:55

away it's still

13:57

around and that

13:59

we need the to embrace the new technology

14:01

of the internet and this

14:03

new website w w f dot com to

14:06

have our fans our fans

14:09

could be in control have everything did you have were

14:11

you did you have a lot have it by

14:13

this two seconds to talk it seems like you were kind

14:16

of

14:17

in that world where he was at a part of your worth

14:19

it was it did it wasn't at first when

14:21

i first got hired in june of ninety six

14:23

i was hired is just an announcer

14:26

i didn't do very much so i was bored

14:29

and , got to know vince russo

14:31

when i got to know german season those guys who

14:33

worked on the magazines

14:36

and on the a well side and

14:38

let me right let me do some kind let

14:40

me do something so i started doing that

14:42

and then

14:44

after my first year writing which was

14:46

what you said in magazine says yes okay

14:48

couple of editorial pieces did

14:50

, for i did some interviews

14:54

which the went up mostly

14:56

was like text for it for the a

14:58

while so i feel we're we're the same words

15:01

dislike

15:02

people would think like you got the dream job yet

15:05

higher but nobody us and as as like let

15:07

i i don't want to sit around and do nothing right i

15:09

need to do something i love wrestling sleazy

15:11

i put me to wear and that was it a big

15:13

issue for them with me

15:16

he's wrestling guy haven't done never

15:18

wanted to hire me have you know story

15:20

it's so

15:22

i came up for the audition because vince wanted

15:24

to step away from doing announcing every

15:27

week so they had

15:29

a big casting call brought

15:31

a bunch of people in and we're going to find

15:33

the a replacement announcer okay i'm going to

15:35

stab you love

15:37

where there are people there like with you or was

15:39

at one time and you are only there one at

15:41

a time i saw a attractive

15:43

young lady sitting she had already done her

15:45

audition she was waiting for the car the

15:47

take her back then i went upstairs

15:50

okay to get

15:51

make up and in my head it's a big

15:53

were like i like as i do have visions and stuff like

15:56

gordon soul is over there and

15:58

i'm like my god i'm lee right the elderly

16:00

people from and like the guy from channel seven news you

16:02

like

16:03

like thomas who are from the news will you

16:05

nine or if i have no idea why they picked

16:07

me but they did and it was a three person

16:10

committee that was in charge

16:12

of the search so it was bruce pritchard

16:15

woman named lisa wolf who at the time was a head

16:17

of hr kevin dunn and

16:21

i got picked to to one haven't

16:24

done was the lone , vote

16:26

as while to know you're gonna good did how did

16:28

you find that when did you find that way

16:31

after the fact okay yeah honey

16:33

hard to like go to work everyday knowing

16:35

this guy didn't watch it when is it more

16:38

wisely hate me and probably salty that

16:40

you're there he'd never liked business

16:42

and then business found out

16:44

though okay cause

16:47

after the first year didn't

16:49

want me around anymore i only had one year

16:51

contract i move my family to connecticut

16:54

and all on a one year contract thinking

16:56

the going to let me answer could be a problem i'm

16:58

affable forgive me if it's

17:00

bomb but it was out

17:03

and vince russo equal kevin dunn called

17:06

vince mcmahon this was a told me the

17:08

story and i no reason to believe he was lying i

17:11

completely believe in one at recent be truth

17:14

haven't done called vince mcmahon at

17:16

his house writing television with

17:18

vince russo and said i'm letting kevin kelly go

17:20

and he said vince blue down

17:23

the end of his glasses with the look on his face like

17:25

why well

17:28

he is a it's a

17:31

few different random non

17:33

reasons and

17:36

vince russo said well he likes to ride

17:38

is really good writer could i have him for the magazines

17:40

oh yeah you could absolutely have no doubt

17:42

about it why i gotta go see later guys that

17:46

was it so then i got moved over full

17:48

time writing magazines gotten pay

17:50

course but it was it

17:53

and then three months later i got rehired back

17:56

in television said i was getting paid what

17:58

is that's

18:00

why i did because vince want to be on

18:02

tv vince one you and severe they ran out of

18:05

are they the week before he

18:07

was like i don't like whoever is doing this rule

18:09

us we have no he wasn't that he wasn't

18:11

as friday as

18:13

he is of late because you hear

18:15

the story oh yeah right it's is interchangeable

18:17

you seen it wasn't always like that no that no

18:19

kevin dunn brought in michael cole and

18:23

michael cole was hired to replace me that

18:25

we became friends and as

18:27

we were traveling together he's telling

18:29

me the story about how he was hired replace

18:32

me the story starts to come over and we

18:34

became good friends and travel together

18:37

so it was a

18:41

a trying time for a young guy who owns

18:43

twenty nine thirty years old and wife

18:45

and it's it's one year old baby and burn

18:49

so but it all worked out yet

18:51

did you

18:52

then once you went to announcing did

18:54

you go you stick to writing and and

18:56

the other technical stuff ice i stayed i was

18:58

the may i was made the managing editor of wwf

19:01

publications with with a separate

19:03

paychecks knows all lumped in on

19:05

one but i was on

19:07

i had no idea what a managing editor did her

19:10

i had to learn what's the job was so i went

19:12

to the publisher

19:14

the magazines and said okay this

19:16

is my job tell me what i'm supposed to do today

19:19

nervous saying that knowing that they would known

19:21

as the i did as right we just gave just like

19:23

not real know what i did eyesight because

19:26

these were bag as he professionals that were

19:28

hired to run these magazines and did through

19:30

so was the editor in chief but they

19:32

sort of had to work there

19:34

rein him in all the time hit

19:37

, eccentric cetera and he was it

19:39

was the publisher that accompany know

19:41

it was a i can't

19:43

remember his name brad

19:45

something or other he was a magazine veteran

19:48

nice guy and they had they had

19:50

editor and they had divine

19:52

or is who put the magazines together and

19:55

and they at all had magazine experience

19:58

so i was like to be such a big bill

20:00

i'm so dwindling and oh my gosh we

20:02

sold half

20:05

a billion copies of months the

20:08

debate of us and i think robin

20:10

like three fifty

20:12

in huge numbers for while and

20:14

now it's probably twelve and

20:16

it's all digital yeah

20:18

so i had a kind of go around and say listen

20:20

i really don't know what i'm doing please

20:23

forgive me you know i'm gonna learned best

20:25

i can and will all work together

20:27

and will get this done i wound up getting along with

20:30

with everybody so it was a good team and

20:32

i still did stuff with dot com

20:35

and did television there

20:37

was a it all work together i

20:40

am okay so

20:42

obviously i like getting into like a struggles

20:44

to get to where you got a the shows are

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yeah yeah so i'm

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the brooklyn brawler other young rock

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the tv show yes it can

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there were none of that he

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said no and i try

24:00

remember it over the years yeah that might

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have been on how shows or was on

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ourselves then i didn't see okay the first

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match i do remember him wrestling was

24:08

against oh and heart which was a dark matter

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tv

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the for survivor series yes yes

24:14

i and owen hart well

24:16

cyber so that was this

24:19

is after memphis yeah okay

24:21

read because in this your i learned

24:23

the show that like does he do

24:25

matches get sent to memphis and then they

24:28

will be met this forever and and eventually says can

24:30

run and it was a that

24:33

was the the beginning the genesis of the

24:35

developmental system so he

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was training with doctor tom in

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the warehouse and stanford along with

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mark henry the brackets

24:44

and the then

24:48

mark was learning from scratch

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so was brock as dwayne

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was a prodigy and

24:55

it was just do

24:57

it do more of this and less of that

24:59

would you walk into this to the

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was got tracks know this was before

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track okay he was in the physical

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television studio got they had the

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25:12

this was where they store all the march

25:14

so there was still boxes emerged like trapped

25:17

in the corner and you know would if they needed

25:19

a set piece or something like that then

25:22

there was a ring it was the old alaska

25:24

ring

25:25

they had brought back from

25:27

courtney said they did read alaska anymore

25:30

was so this ringlets stairs

25:32

it was one of those old stiff rings so

25:34

they had built of a ring just to keep in alaska

25:37

there is a they had had a ring in

25:39

alaska for how shows just for the

25:41

year over the you know with years okay and

25:43

then they'd the ring got shipped back to connecticut no

25:46

need for the alaska loop to have their own ring anymore

25:49

and that became the training ring

25:51

the doctor tom

25:53

you know put the dwayne and market in brackets

25:56

through a would you walk into better oh yeah was

25:58

an open area which is in fact you could

26:00

not see it because you would go through the reception

26:02

area the door wide open up and you'd be staring

26:04

at the rink the you look at these guys

26:06

are you like while they are the

26:09

future you like look how green these fucking

26:11

as i was there was always

26:13

something good about the

26:15

all of them and and everybody

26:17

in there wasn't a lot of screaming and yelling

26:19

because these were not kids off the street

26:22

you know these were trained professional athletes

26:24

who looked fantastic

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specially brock as my god and

26:30

you know dwayne was their mark henry was there and tom

26:32

was there and they were working hard and sweat and a lot

26:34

and we'd go out to eat every once in awhile

26:37

just laugh and joke and know when you get to the

26:40

when you get to in those show there's this backstage

26:42

area you know pad and bruce in there

26:44

are looking at it

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iraqi nato it's written but you know brian's writing

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on the shelves yet so

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the when or when they get though that own heart what's

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gorilla position or are you angry i was in

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the girl a position for that because we were getting

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ready to go out next to do the syndicated

27:01

stella

27:02

it was well the first thing to happen

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oh and at the time had a cast on his

27:07

arm the yeah

27:09

supporting cast and

27:11

, not wanting to work the left

27:13

arm because he saw of oh and had a for of can harm

27:15

grabbed the right and oh it very quickly switch

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hands it's idiotic over the last assess

27:21

the last hissing reflects on a cast

27:23

yeah

27:24

look at it and it was

27:26

so everybody pop did that just

27:28

because our made us laugh and and

27:30

then the match was great and

27:33

pat was there bruce there there i think

27:35

vince was there too and

27:38

they were like this guy's got

27:40

it you've got everything we want pat was a

27:42

huge proponent yeah that

27:44

i was portrayed ghetto to that's very

27:46

accurate

27:47

that's cool okay ,

27:50

start with you

27:53

you didn't grow your pussy or with your parents

27:55

and grow up in the magazine business know

27:58

those are funny because my dad was in moving

28:00

industry of in years later i become a wrestler but i

28:02

really just become a clothing just entrepreneur

28:04

hereditary sales of

28:07

my dad was dad photographer and

28:10

shot news for newspapers

28:13

in new york the cupboard

28:15

a couple of madison square garden shows back

28:18

in the sixties so your new york

28:20

it new york then one

28:22

part

28:23

in the city i was born in staten island

28:25

lived in queens and then when i was nine

28:27

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28:29

my grandfather passed away my dad

28:31

was willed the house and he had he

28:33

had opportunity to set up at press

28:35

service for the local

28:37

radio stations etc so we went

28:39

down there the business tanked and

28:42

you know for you've been around the stuff yeah

28:44

for years and it was so

28:46

i know i didn't have it interest necessarily

28:49

in photography your journalism

28:52

but the first thing when

28:54

i we got tv hooked

28:56

and the cable guy we didn't have

28:58

cable the new york cable ,

29:01

came on saturday and said upper cable and i

29:03

turned the t v on and the first voice

29:05

first heard was gordon's so

29:08

i started watching jeb your blessing for florida and

29:10

them so

29:11

that was what i wanted to be able guy in florida man

29:13

yours cable guy in florida hooked

29:16

up the table on our tv when we moved

29:18

to florida gotcha did your dad enjoy that the

29:20

wrestling the first time i

29:22

saw it we were still

29:24

in new york and i had it was saturday

29:26

night late was on at midnight and

29:28

i was up because i had a stomach ache are

29:30

certainly wouldn't feel good and dabs

29:32

up watching whatever was on before

29:35

wrestling than wrestling started i was a glue wrestling

29:37

and he got up student from the tv

29:39

and said let me tell you what this is all about so

29:42

fake solo show all this all that i

29:44

, care boof boof this

29:46

was after he had taken pictures and medicines

29:48

yes as he and he explained to explained

29:51

that like he said does one

29:53

guy was bleeding out of his mouth in the corner

29:56

and mouth in whoever was said

29:58

hey get a shot of this and

30:00

spit this big huge movie a blood

30:02

out and so dad got the shot

30:04

year and he was like out all show so

30:07

being a father

30:08

looking back at that what what is your

30:11

thoughts and a zed trying to do that i don't know

30:14

he knows trying to protect me i guess in some way

30:16

i do with my kids because now kids have

30:18

two boys and i always i

30:20

always told them that it was physical

30:22

and very real

30:24

like you know there was a lot of show business

30:26

to it and

30:28

, of that neither of them really had

30:30

like an interest that there is no family

30:33

business neither of my sons are gonna follow

30:35

my footsteps in the announcing for

30:37

a year telling them that just because like

30:39

it's coming up you as a kid you are all

30:41

looking at a totally out of the thought about as

30:43

as soon as i got to florida and by in the magazines

30:46

and i'm i've been obsessed fan

30:48

nine ten years old and

30:51

finding into the fan club you know dusty

30:53

rhodes my favorite wrestler

30:55

it was awesome ah in it was

30:57

like the first that when

30:59

i move there i'm in new york kid in

31:02

florida

31:02

they all make fun of my accent and

31:05

everybody wanted to beat me up everyday have you

31:07

worked on your accent i

31:09

wouldn't economic said that you are from new york

31:11

and it went away just one with yeah because

31:14

i didn't get a southern accent from living in florida

31:17

but i can sound

31:19

the country if i want you know i

31:22

would have thought you were in new york

31:24

accent softened

31:26

though you just want a i'm from like ohio

31:28

read somewhere in the middle equal the midwest right

31:31

okay but , that was able

31:33

is hard to make some friends maybe our florida

31:36

terrible but wrestling was like

31:38

the one thing that thing gravitated

31:41

towards and i never wanted to be a wrestler

31:44

i always wanted to be the announcer and

31:47

the matches themselves didn't that

31:49

was also watch matches on t v casey

31:51

get a good match but

31:53

i mostly cared about the interview segments and the angles

31:55

that was what excited so that

31:58

was what i was always drawn to and did you find the

32:00

kid that like wrestling one man

32:03

and he became my best friend okay the

32:05

ever do anything with wrestling or is like that is

32:08

they obsess like you did he

32:10

came to a ring of honor show

32:12

when we were in lan at you wrestled jay

32:14

lethal two or three false oh others and

32:17

the giant conference room

32:20

oh my gosh it was and

32:22

you know he was always like he was like wow

32:24

i can't leave it yet over the years you

32:27

believe you did this i can't believe you know he he got

32:29

in the car business that he became a

32:31

banker and he

32:33

said

32:34

rich suburb and guy now and

32:37

, been struggling wrestling announcer where the circus

32:39

right yeah right right it's

32:41

the life i chose and and life

32:43

you chose the of course so

32:46

are you got when you start getting like sixteen

32:48

and just are going to the matches and all

32:51

time here for as you write are you

32:55

maybe explain the gym to prison for florida whoop

32:57

and where you are are

33:00

you in tampa bay going to the most of the sports

33:02

or hymns yeah no i was on the other side i was on the

33:04

other coast okay so if i went to

33:06

a wrestling it was either monday night west palm

33:08

beach auditorium with the occasional

33:11

thursday spot show in fort pierce

33:13

at the st lucie county civic center and as i

33:15

got older they started running sing lucy

33:18

more so i went

33:20

that was like twenty minutes closer than west palm

33:23

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33:28

my dad got sick when sick was

33:30

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33:36

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33:38

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33:41

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33:43

you know tried to talk people into go with the them once

33:45

i got sixteen and sixteen was driving than driving

33:48

went everywhere on my own the when i was younger my

33:50

dad took be the first show i went to

33:52

was at west palm and harley

33:55

race and rocky johnson were the main event none

33:58

that i did not a tie and

34:01

i was scared to death of jolla duke because

34:04

he did an angle on tv with jimmy garvin and

34:07

i had nightmares and

34:11

when it when he came out like the fourth batch

34:13

i hope prayed that he

34:15

didn't see me and

34:17

he didn't believe or not he didn't come after

34:19

me and yeah

34:22

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though hang out with the correct term

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the they had had your

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way into professional wrestling it is it's

36:00

over the wrestlers is

36:02

pretty cut and dry i think you go get trained to pay

36:04

someone and money the be the should add you then

36:07

i feel everyone on the fringe of wrestlers

36:10

i don't have as the correct term didn't like ray like

36:12

the fringe of the interviewers the booker's the the

36:15

other and we still get as those discussions

36:17

i'm sure you more than me he says they had you do it

36:19

and it's like well there is no school so it's like you can

36:21

have to decide a friend everybody

36:24

at hope that one day something opens

36:26

up the you kind of get a foot in and then you just push

36:29

and push ray do i do it

36:31

was the luckiest of way so

36:33

i went to florida state

36:35

the great i was in communications radio

36:39

all because i wanted to get into wrestling

36:41

when i was done i didn't

36:43

know how now at the time the

36:46

i graduated in nineteen ninety ww

36:48

stolen atlanta and a friend of mine

36:51

who wanted to get into sports casting that

36:54

we should go and become pages

36:56

at cnn at cnn center then

36:59

you could

37:00

do the wrestling thing i can get him with cnn sports

37:03

and it'll be great pride in the have two

37:05

nickels to rub together by the time of summer school

37:08

so i went back home and i'm working at

37:10

a local radio station than

37:13

wrestling at this point was kind of kind the back on

37:15

the backburner i didn't know how it's gonna get it's the

37:18

local promoter called the radio station

37:21

the said we're

37:23

at the st lucie county fair

37:25

you guys are there i need a ring announcer

37:27

is there anybody there and the girl that took

37:29

the call said kevin do you know anybody who would be

37:32

a rig announcer for wrestling sounds

37:34

now how come they were to they know you are

37:37

all obsess where you have says at this point as

37:39

much oh yeah i dunno the

37:41

talked about it well all the time so

37:43

how come

37:44

she randomly just goes can would you know knew i was

37:46

standing if if if if it's because i was just standing

37:48

there intended to carry hansen sweet

37:50

lady she was wonderful ah

37:54

sort of ask me like

37:56

who let this as a donald i'll

37:58

take the call me you know with me

38:00

no one where the shoots of defeat her fate

38:02

fitted even hazards or that bag of us

38:05

we are grown my hero to look like does the roof

38:07

of look at me

38:10

and in a friend of a guys who

38:13

i met through local promoter there's

38:15

still a friend of mine to this day and

38:18

i got him like a part time gig at the radio station

38:21

so , all sort of worked out and

38:23

then he said hey

38:27

after i did the ring announcer anybody unless you're we

38:29

would have known on the tommy rodgers was in the main event

38:33

and it was so poor

38:35

down rain were under a tent

38:37

they close the fair but the wrestling was still going

38:39

on because they'd sold tickets

38:41

so there was like twenty five ticket buyers

38:43

and all the carnies

38:45

the bride's reset the and road have craft

38:50

and we had

38:52

we had fun it was just awesome i got to be ring

38:54

announcer professional wrestling and tommy rogers and

38:56

the main event and ,

38:58

later i saw i ran into him in memphis

39:01

tommy and i said hey by the way

39:03

you are on the very first show that i was on and

39:05

i told him about it and he's like i

39:07

remember that show it for down rain

39:10

we thought the show was disrespectful as much

39:12

as

39:15

and it's weird with of the stuff like

39:17

wouldn't bother us we've done thousands and shows

39:20

and sometimes and yeah i'm sure you saw it

39:22

no way i wrote you like iran does match

39:24

because this is my first show course no a

39:26

tiny rodgers remember i didn't i didn't

39:28

think he were no it's i've said up take

39:31

a funny story tommy and you probably don't remember them

39:33

since the weird shows they just stick in our mind and

39:35

he certainly did but

39:37

then the guy

39:39

who was the promoter chris anderson got

39:41

higher for a fledgling television start

39:43

up in orlando and said hey i

39:46

i think i got you an audition

39:48

sweet and he got a bunch of us auditions

39:50

wrestler as cetera and we all

39:52

drove up

39:54

to orlando and tried out for eddie mansfield

39:56

know i you you out i know that you

39:59

the i know that

40:00

are your story they aren't ready mansfield and

40:02

emails and still going at it today

40:04

reviews on the dark side of the rings the correct

40:06

yeah so he's he's

40:08

a the has his foot kind

40:11

of in the wrestling industry when

40:13

when we were in our o h together

40:15

he called me

40:17

that of the blue and he wanted to be the book

40:19

or a ring of honor he wanted me to get a man i

40:21

was like oh okay well they already

40:23

have a booker ah nice

40:25

do pretty good job you know just ah

40:27

but i'll south certainly try your name

40:29

in the hadn't whatever set

40:32

so what's this

40:33

what was any mansell like at that time why

40:35

was he trying to start this up the

40:40

looking back to you you

40:42

look at him a different way as well as when you

40:44

met him as a young guy just trying to get a foot into

40:46

the wrestling industry he was always good to

40:48

me yeah he wasn't

40:50

you know he was a little sometimes shady with some

40:53

of the boys he said he got back into

40:55

wrestling because he was tired of indices

40:57

his quote the heart of look at on all the

40:59

same recycled horses and

41:02

that was his moto

41:04

going back to when he wrestle the

41:06

couldn't break through

41:09

the glass ceiling or whatever it was and

41:12

he just wanted to have new young guys fresh

41:15

faces etc etc the

41:17

good new wrestlers and opportunity

41:19

and he got

41:21

the tv deal he worked somebody into

41:23

something where had the sunshine network

41:25

okay

41:26

which is the thing yeah and

41:29

got hit the story is kevin

41:31

sullivan told me this my

41:34

gram the current the

41:37

mansfield went and met with

41:39

universal studios floor about

41:42

setting up tv tapings the floor office

41:44

was gonna get going again and

41:47

universal

41:49

kind of was like mean that

41:51

really interested in you need to do

41:53

this that the other and

41:55

steeper my gram really weren't interested weren't

41:57

interested universal that

42:01

those to leave an eddie the

42:03

days and says i can do what

42:05

you want the double

42:07

cross them and got to deal the

42:11

the set it up tv tapings you know same

42:14

thing like impact does like did you

42:16

know to any in the soundstage

42:19

fans coming from the park they don't know who what

42:21

are we doing were just out of the sun in the air conditioning

42:23

for of an hour

42:25

let's watch a tv taping it's watch game

42:27

growl guess it was really

42:29

a job would we have we have mondo

42:32

clean who became damien dimension glover

42:34

and would have to hear the story on him by the with

42:36

own gimme a two minute like why

42:39

was he on raw and raw and a thing

42:41

anymore he was a

42:43

a handful

42:45

he was allowed to do he was

42:47

a lot to do with so he had a cool look

42:49

they were like let's use this guy he got there they were like

42:51

a yeah okay he

42:54

, johnny rods guy so you

42:56

know there was link okay he

42:58

looked impressive but wrestled

43:01

like of real old timer ah

43:04

but was twenty two years oh yeah he was

43:06

and it was and nice guy the

43:10

and wanted to get into comedy wanted

43:12

to get into doing different things they've

43:15

which eventually he did

43:17

like on some public access stuff in new

43:19

york and was an actor kicking around for a while

43:22

but

43:22

that he knew him because eddie went bar

43:25

after the whole wrestling thing blew up

43:28

he was a new york for a while and i keep trying to become

43:30

an actor or something and met

43:32

phil met mondo clean they became friends

43:35

and

43:36

rockville down to florida become as world champ the all

43:38

can't do fail can be an m b c mountains

43:40

and stuff they can't from

43:43

chicago fire right fire mean could

43:45

still get the checks were so getting royalties from td

43:47

savages beautiful ousted

43:50

pt that man's i man's i to that's

43:52

why i remember you on fire i definitely saw that

43:54

one have doubled down i gotta go look for

43:56

sarge avoid when we're done here today oh he might

43:58

be around amid have some say

44:00

hello who knows

44:02

who wasn't done oh gosh ah well

44:04

and blackjack mulligan got out of prison we use him

44:07

he was great he was awesome know are these

44:09

like the equivalent of like what i'm doing

44:11

in two thousand and eleven

44:14

like they're just like indies for guys like no one's

44:16

under contract or day it was

44:18

another date just another day yep the as

44:20

animal close and they eddie

44:22

was trying to tell the boys as the territory

44:25

to territory now and they were like no it's not

44:27

we run like

44:28

show the months what are you talking about none of us are

44:30

full time we all have to either

44:32

have jobs or the whatever

44:36

no the territory it's territory and

44:38

it never really took off mocha money

44:41

big money was the biggest that was

44:43

expensive to produce tv and

44:45

he goes paying for it

44:48

in vat different investors that kicked in money

44:50

from time to time out universal new

44:52

no no no they they allowed to spacers not

44:54

even if they gave him the space getting game

44:56

in office to in an office in universal

44:58

our territory than enough to fit

45:00

with that was a bookie golf is so

45:03

you got the gig is announcer charlie

45:05

plat was supposed to be the play by

45:08

play guy and i was supposed to do the ringside

45:10

interviews and troy plat was the old continental

45:12

announcer which is how at he knew him

45:15

the day of the first taping it universal

45:17

now the day before we had shot hundreds

45:20

of pre taped in the park the

45:24

and i had done all that sand ups and fix

45:26

etc the next day

45:28

first the a taping matches

45:31

trolley plat supposed to be there and eddie says to me

45:33

out where you going to be today i spy don't

45:35

know probably standing over the by the camera know you're going to sit

45:37

next to be doing commentary flood that's

45:40

how we play had an allergic reaction to penicillin

45:43

oh okay i get

45:45

allergic reaction and not getting paid race

45:47

or didn't feel like coming down and

45:51

though i did play by play i had no idea what i was

45:53

doing is rotten i didn't

45:55

know what i was i knew what i wanted

45:57

it to sound like becoming the same way i knew the

46:00

sunset slip in my first day of training

46:02

venom to teach me how to do arise i've i've

46:04

wrestled in ninth grade

46:07

on the high school team and the

46:09

coach wanted to see something that we i

46:12

forget what it was and i did a small

46:14

package and he was like where did you

46:16

learn that

46:18

tv doh doh doh

46:20

doh run game , at

46:22

first was impressed like that was an actual wrestling move

46:24

i know nothing about him i don't know what

46:26

is he was impressive as he was a weird guy

46:29

is a weird old guy but he got

46:31

bad boy when i when i told them where i got it

46:33

from

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on tv small package for it gets

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49:45

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49:47

haven't gotten paid that

49:49

you're not making money but you're just like getting this tv

49:53

credit oman little bit and

49:56

started then cause than any kind of sell

49:59

off the little bit today i'm in work

50:01

for other people and he got really mad at me from doing

50:03

that whatever ,

50:05

i started doing different indies around

50:08

florida and but

50:10

i was almost done with the business as common carriers

50:12

ring announcer ring announcer ribs is who's northern

50:15

up and vhs tapes are that no

50:17

sign of his isn't as none of none of it when

50:21

i got to sit in and learn from a lot

50:23

of really good folks like cuban assassin

50:25

take sierra nasty that brady

50:28

guys that were veterans that new

50:31

how tv should be done and

50:34

new how

50:35

live events needed to be produced so

50:38

they let me sit in cuba was great was he let me

50:40

sit in on finish meetings

50:42

and that was really like the first time i had exposure

50:44

to that and

50:46

he used the eddie graham vernacular

50:48

to describe a finnish when the time is right

50:53

though but that was where i met dwayne

50:55

the first time in

50:57

hudson florida

50:58

that a small city center raw small city

51:01

show with rocky johnson in the main event

51:04

and he's in the finish beating his

51:06

wrestling to been in the finish

51:08

was when the time's right

51:11

that brady hits the ring dq and

51:14

we beat you down the will run out the baby

51:16

faces to make the safe iraq

51:18

he says on it's fun i got my kid here with

51:21

me tonight

51:22

he's gonna do something in wrestling would it be okay

51:24

if he made the safe sure

51:26

why not so down

51:29

you know everything's going to form

51:32

non for rocky johnson and

51:34

out where in his number ninety four university of miami

51:36

jersey that trend slides

51:38

in throws us

51:40

open hand punches like we seen and

51:42

cleans house and since the you'll scattering

51:44

services when services when just

51:47

like i have training with rocky a sense

51:49

i think so yeah he does in college he was

51:51

still playing for university miami gotcha

51:54

and i think had

51:56

you know the bog writer sure that

51:59

was pro

52:00

the just train was rocky wherever and so funny

52:02

and and that was the first time i met him

52:04

hudson florida at a flea market

52:06

you enough that was in the nether that specific

52:09

one is in the show but the idea of wreckage as in doing

52:12

these shows was in the show the n b c show

52:14

right that i'm a part of the unwrap

52:16

watch it and and business is it it's ah

52:20

but i do watch the show

52:22

as show as knowing

52:24

that he was this territorial guy and i see stories

52:27

about him working at circuit city

52:30

an accent in the senate like blows

52:32

my mind you know he was on tap he's making

52:34

money it's like where did all go did

52:37

it was a relationship with rocky johnson at that

52:40

point or the where you could like that you

52:42

could make understand it or see it or see the

52:44

frustration or understand his

52:46

mindset i bet

52:48

again growing up when i did you know he

52:50

he and tony atlas were tag team champions

52:52

and he was a top guy in georgia and etc

52:55

etc

52:57

i never understood like

52:59

why i didn't even think about

53:01

the why i do now though and

53:03

how did he what happened to his money

53:05

because he had to have made good money right

53:09

you know things happen with

53:11

my weird to see him like coming from

53:13

a job it

53:15

that a you're watching him come to the arena

53:17

the circuit city wasn't taken as i can always

53:19

it off as

53:21

what we didn't i didn't really know what like what

53:23

these guys did in a he was in shape he

53:25

was veteran guy older guy

53:29

one in college i assumed aegis did this for

53:31

fun or , to keep busy

53:35

and was weird when i first went wayne

53:37

you know it was kind of like

53:39

he didn't want to push his dad too much

53:41

into the act and

53:44

, was a little bit of hesitancy their i

53:46

think from his part to have dad

53:48

and bob dad eventually did get involved a little

53:50

bit

53:51

then it kind of went away and then they hired

53:54

rocky to be one of the trainers it'll be w

53:56

that didn't last too long because it was some

53:58

guys they're on top and

54:00

eight they may not know how to teach

54:03

they know what they did to get themselves

54:05

over to get their match over but they may not be great

54:08

to teach i don't think dwayne needed

54:10

teaching i think he just was naturally

54:13

he was gonna get it no matter what are

54:16

, see you would you would have been so you

54:18

about the about the quit wrestling yeah ninety

54:21

four i was like this sucks and dine dine

54:24

your dream their i know but it

54:26

wasn't really going anywhere and

54:29

my wife and i were talking about have the baby and

54:32

, was like maybe i maybe this

54:34

i maybe and then i got hired

54:36

the radio show that

54:38

was a very popular in florida

54:41

at the time and

54:43

a morning show they wanted to do

54:45

wrestling because one of the guy

54:47

says watley who just passed away recently

54:49

is on the run and says show on serious

54:51

for years he

54:54

was was a blood wrestling did

54:56

require impressions on the shelf was brother us

54:59

the best here with me and

55:02

the they they set up at an angle

55:04

on the radio shows a goal will do of wrestling

55:06

event it'll be a lot of some will do it at a bar now

55:10

cuban assassin was a big mentor of mine and

55:12

at the time barr show started become a thing and

55:14

cuban have one rule you don't work

55:16

in bars

55:17

the wrestler in arenas you want to work at a bar

55:19

show you don't work for me and

55:22

so here i am the best paid a i've gotten

55:25

three hundred dollars to ring announcer

55:27

for this you'd radio

55:29

show and i'm in a bar

55:31

and i'm looking out my see my wife was now pregnant

55:33

in the crowd i'm like and

55:37

music guy on the show is doing body shots it's

55:40

awesome woman in the ring like this is

55:42

not what i got into wrestling for this isn't gordon soul

55:44

it sucks , done so

55:47

we went out the couple nights later

55:49

and talking about it the two

55:51

days later i got a call

55:53

i've got an audition with dumb stuff you had

55:56

you been putting into get that addition not

55:58

really the guy

56:00

who was involved with the i w f

56:02

with eddie mansfield steel got hired

56:04

to help set up

56:05

the thing that they were doing it universal they

56:08

took over the spot when at he wasn't doing anymore

56:11

and

56:12

though i got an audition warming up the crowd so

56:15

i was the able guy telling people

56:17

to see or and boon mazes whatever

56:19

it time for the come back start clapping

56:22

and got to meet and work with everybody

56:24

talk with therapists off afterward nice

56:27

you know the find actually great

56:30

that hired to mean gene don't

56:32

really have spot for and

56:36

then i was like off bummer then

56:38

i talked to billy gunn just

56:40

casual acres we were friends because that's where the smoking

56:42

guns came from the out of us hey

56:44

guys are coming down to florida

56:46

the one a looper how shows let me know of any of

56:48

local ring announcer cc good

56:50

the time they weren't flying single in or whatever

56:53

is it okay i'll ask and while

56:55

i'm at the ww audition

56:59

the gun calls my pager

57:02

and i call him in between shows yeah what's

57:04

up you need gopers pritchard oh about

57:06

renouncing know they want to bring you up for edition

57:10

like all bruce right there

57:11

hey bruce kevin kelly a's good

57:14

eerie what do you do and home you're

57:16

not issue right now with w w yet

57:18

is that a contract my

57:20

own offered one do you think he loved like

57:23

the saying those letters makes

57:25

him go oh shit oh it's i knew immediately

57:28

word got you knew your do me a deficit

57:30

and he says hogan there to god no how

57:32

the matches kind of the chance so

57:37

yeah brought me up to six

57:39

and started on june twenty fourth nice

57:43

then how on with those guys seven

57:46

years seven years in the us almost

57:48

and i think about like long

57:50

the authors or did you ever meet gordon so the and work

57:52

with no but i did interview on my bike this

57:55

oh really when he released his the

57:58

i did it was the

58:01

the one on usa network at like ten am in the

58:03

morning know that was

58:05

live wires wow there was life quiroz

58:07

bite was by this was there a as the there is

58:09

just the internet you okay okay okay so

58:11

i

58:12

somehow through through single i

58:14

got gordon's dumber graduate we did

58:16

interview with him and

58:18

lambert all over him on the phone as as

58:20

your the right to look anybody

58:22

on that showed anybody

58:24

he had a free together the freedom of that nobody

58:26

paid attention to what we were doing okay and further

58:28

before you talked about that like russo

58:33

the able to push and sick man

58:35

the into going into this way

58:37

of booking or whatever my name's you

58:40

ever see anyone else that had their power over

58:42

him did you ever tried have the power of i never

58:44

did i don't see i don't take

58:46

you as that kind of got new i did not

58:48

have that power ah

58:50

but the only other one that had power over

58:53

him was shawn michaels

58:55

because you want to do whatever he wanted and he is

58:57

and would scream at each other and and

58:59

would add show on would curse him like

59:01

you would believe and vince loved

59:03

it the no matter what sean daddy

59:05

was never going to get fired

59:07

no but that was it but yeah

59:09

he had vince had russo had like

59:11

a hypnotic thing over mcmahon

59:13

for awhile since threat he got him

59:15

to be like

59:17

that to change the whole attitude

59:19

of the company take it a completely different direction and

59:21

with everybody like in the back that wasn't

59:23

vince russo speak we would be like gotta

59:26

butter smalltalk be like this is wild it

59:28

is happening day hated it very first

59:30

aid it it pat

59:33

i'd like to pat was okay with it at

59:35

didn't care he was kind of checked out at the time

59:37

he was pretty much retired he was lived in florida

59:40

he'd , in and singing on cruises air

59:42

he just saying my way and loved his life

59:45

bruce went along with went it

59:48

didn't like jim ross didn't like it because

59:51

jim ross was trying to

59:53

look how shows and

59:55

tv was constantly changing the

59:57

the lineups had a constantly change one of the biggest

1:00:00

it has was jim ross would book

1:00:02

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1:00:04

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1:00:06

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1:00:09

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1:00:12

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1:01:23

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1:01:25

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1:01:28

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1:01:30

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1:01:32

but i don't have nothing comes on it's not good

1:01:34

because i'd i'd there were a couple

1:01:36

things that he did vince russo was sort of stuck

1:01:39

for , big

1:01:42

moment of a match or main event or

1:01:44

whatever it was for the upcoming weeks wrong

1:01:47

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1:01:50

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1:01:52

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1:01:55

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1:01:58

he's these did when a new champion was the

1:02:00

the crowd the next raw

1:02:03

show vince would present

1:02:05

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1:02:08

this time with steve he wore the belt vincent

1:02:10

it down a ringside and i

1:02:12

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1:02:14

resort irish are at lunch at lunch at of you root

1:02:17

beer at the stanford mall

1:02:20

who is steve austin

1:02:22

is annoyed that vince mcmahon

1:02:24

worth belt and you keep talking about a corporate

1:02:26

champion what you're really talking about his you vince

1:02:29

so many give you a shot here

1:02:31

and you know we can do is easy

1:02:33

way reduce a hardware easy ways you

1:02:35

face me in the base incidents of the dub dub we have jpg

1:02:38

of hard way as i beat your ass right here

1:02:40

right now and vince mcmahon

1:02:42

versus stone cold steve austin the main

1:02:44

event knowing that they wanted to get to dude

1:02:46

love dude comes down to say

1:02:48

whoa brothers peace and love

1:02:51

peace and love any turns on steve the

1:02:53

and vince result like holy shit that's

1:02:56

great we went

1:02:58

back to the office adhesive what he did i said what he can

1:03:00

do some would try to get him with vincent

1:03:02

talk to him about it's best finally

1:03:04

called him up to the office he sat down with vinci

1:03:06

came back down twenty minutes later how to do the

1:03:09

word for it holy shit so like the

1:03:11

idea of of

1:03:13

a steve vs vince match

1:03:17

you always that it in passing to get to something

1:03:19

else been a week it was the

1:03:22

how to get how to get to do love that's

1:03:24

insane yeah but like so this is a really

1:03:26

small idea in

1:03:29

that promo with the big idea of do that

1:03:31

versus disease the

1:03:34

said yes and then a literally the

1:03:36

kinda big became the whole companies

1:03:38

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1:03:41

and the other thing that i pitched which they did

1:03:45

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1:03:47

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1:03:50

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1:03:52

with ah

1:03:54

the funny and test and

1:03:57

you know where they're going to get married this

1:03:59

that well triple h of course

1:04:01

being the thorn in the side events would do anything he could

1:04:03

to try to ruin anything vince wanted

1:04:06

and ruining the wedding would be the

1:04:08

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1:04:10

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1:04:12

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1:04:14

week before got caught up in the wash and some fight

1:04:18

and i the

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it like okay so something happens again

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and she gets you knock loopy

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ah and then later on the night after

1:04:27

the main event what there's a wedding

1:04:30

going on then we see the

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longhair you know the shop from behind

1:04:34

stephanie and her dress we assume it's

1:04:36

test and then she turns

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it is gonna loopy actors you know exchanging

1:04:41

vows you made me the happiest women's

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world and

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that testers triple h o you have no idea how

1:04:46

happy you just made me so i came from the young

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and restless the problem is it's all my children

1:04:51

and so i brought

1:04:53

it up in a big email and

1:04:56

that it events have done

1:04:58

jr cetera et cetera and vince real back

1:05:00

in five minutes all caps that's great yeah and

1:05:03

chain was one that i sent it to sing came down to

1:05:05

my office and i just crazy

1:05:08

i'm a big did it their own way but eventually

1:05:10

was what we got no are you on the writing team are

1:05:12

you just timing issue the timing sit in there

1:05:15

was not a writing team where people upset by

1:05:17

this do you think no i

1:05:19

don't think i've been as a wrestling works ma'am i don't

1:05:21

know what's his life he's sending and shit who

1:05:23

knows everyone is it was kind of a thing

1:05:25

at the time was sort of an open they were saying

1:05:27

please send in i was an open submissions a

1:05:29

good and vince never had a problem with it and

1:05:33

i don't remember any other stuff

1:05:35

i would have sent him a just i would email

1:05:37

you know kind of foster the show or

1:05:39

whatever and couple people did that but

1:05:42

ah it was it would

1:05:44

just i had a spark of an idea so

1:05:46

that was it was it thinking so i was about longevity

1:05:49

and wrestling it's hard for announced

1:05:51

and especially after years no

1:05:53

longer with that the time the only company that's on television

1:05:56

right at the time

1:05:58

was w c the you the

1:06:01

gone when i'm gone when you were gone yet

1:06:03

when you

1:06:04

parted ways the only thing that was going was dna

1:06:07

for which was just getting started and as soon

1:06:09

as i got fired which i knew was gonna

1:06:11

happen because they were just cutting cutting

1:06:13

cutting to buy department we simply signal

1:06:16

gallons and though

1:06:18

i got home and i call jeff jarrett and

1:06:21

just that i would love it but i don't have any money to

1:06:23

pay

1:06:25

i said well if anything changes let me know

1:06:28

another never changed and you assume you are scrambling

1:06:30

to stay in wrestling or you're like i have the skill

1:06:32

i need to put it to you i was scrambling trying

1:06:35

to get a job of i

1:06:37

was out of work eleven months and

1:06:40

was in danger of

1:06:42

losing our house to foreclosure

1:06:45

and then i've tweaked my resume

1:06:48

instead of emphasizing the television portion

1:06:51

of it but i went to the sales portion

1:06:53

of there was always selling

1:06:55

wrestling is sales that's what i became

1:06:57

i became sales

1:07:00

what what was your tweet would you say you

1:07:02

sold

1:07:03

they produce a slip of jacket sell

1:07:06

merchandise year old live

1:07:08

event tickets sold sold salt

1:07:11

and and just kind of kept a foot in wrestling

1:07:13

and then he and indexing

1:07:15

as i guess it's i mean how is especially

1:07:19

if you're not

1:07:20

bring your body , the land you

1:07:22

worry about like as you're getting older like

1:07:25

like mean you're obviously the best but like you

1:07:28

know i were is a wrestler lego of in my forties

1:07:30

know they stop using me ah

1:07:33

i don't have that stuff is that's the is that's

1:07:35

creeps into your head of this is my own paranoia is

1:07:38

a kind of worry about ah

1:07:41

my mind the at some

1:07:43

point i'm going to lose my mind my

1:07:45

voice the

1:07:48

and at that point it'll be time to go plus

1:07:50

i travel back and forth to japan so how

1:07:52

long am i gonna want to make the slightest sniffle

1:07:54

if you know greatest

1:07:57

at the beginning right answer is answer addictive

1:08:00

ah notified can

1:08:02

i can be more the last minute and leave

1:08:04

first the know

1:08:06

it's it's cool and the folks in

1:08:09

the new japan side and the tv say

1:08:11

sides are wonderful

1:08:13

they make my life so easy

1:08:15

no stress and

1:08:17

then i mean i know dave meltzer isn't the

1:08:20

end all be all as professional wrestling

1:08:22

but you know

1:08:24

there is all this time where

1:08:26

him comes very high new job and usa because

1:08:28

they had your the voice of new japan

1:08:31

and after years of maybe like not

1:08:33

getting any

1:08:35

would you say awards i'm from melted but me from

1:08:37

the wrestling world if

1:08:39

you're you're all the sudden

1:08:41

recognizing the work you do it

1:08:44

is nice as a good as a grad of gratifying

1:08:46

was like hey i i told you fuckers no

1:08:48

no no no i was very gratifying

1:08:51

it really was just to be

1:08:54

in that class of it

1:08:56

again gordon solely you know kind

1:08:58

of like

1:08:59

these he was recognized during his era

1:09:01

when there were so many great announcers of

1:09:04

, you know the best and now

1:09:07

the field is much smaller so

1:09:09

i'm at it's like being the valedictorian

1:09:11

in of classifies it has

1:09:14

nothing to feel the smaller now oh you're

1:09:16

saying is territories there isn't much or and right

1:09:18

there with everybody was on television and and

1:09:20

there was all these different people you could choose from

1:09:22

voices regionally ah

1:09:24

of i mean you had gordon

1:09:27

solely lance russell vince mcmahon jim

1:09:29

ross bob

1:09:31

caudal like cetera et cetera all these legendary

1:09:33

names and now there's the

1:09:36

the w w f e announcers

1:09:39

are criticized because

1:09:41

the product is so bad

1:09:42

right and you know they

1:09:45

w announcers have gotten a great deal

1:09:47

of credit and justifiably soaks they do really

1:09:49

good job and the tony sumani

1:09:51

coming back you know it's been a nice story so

1:09:53

yeah just feel good to be recognized you

1:09:57

i see that it's the defeat of you eat

1:09:59

announcer the road it

1:10:01

just seems like everyone loves them they

1:10:03

communism the new announcer to seems ago

1:10:06

an ongoing seem they come in his newfound now

1:10:08

announcer and i'll just put like mess

1:10:11

striker and maybe corey graves a you know

1:10:13

but you know it's a namely but like whatever but i think

1:10:15

we see them everyone's ah yes they know wrestling

1:10:17

they get wrestling and then people

1:10:19

seem to like spite on these people

1:10:23

i'm guessing right or wrong or why i'm saying wrong

1:10:25

i hate it as of as someone my friends

1:10:27

like kind of forgetting his love

1:10:29

and then the world almost turning

1:10:32

on them a little bit

1:10:35

is that like have seemed just from a from

1:10:37

a wrestling from arresting and also standpoint looking

1:10:39

at it is better seem to be that place

1:10:42

or is it is it a hard business

1:10:44

from the correctly announcer to like stay

1:10:47

hot i guess it's

1:10:49

the boy it's easy to stay hot when you work for the

1:10:51

companies that i've worked for guess who i work for

1:10:53

ring of honor when it really

1:10:56

was fantastic not

1:10:58

, early days fantastic but the later

1:11:00

the hitter it's stride if they had you

1:11:02

know again it was remarkable and then i went from there

1:11:04

to new japan at its the enough

1:11:07

so it's been pretty easy for me to kind of

1:11:09

ride the coattails of promotions that are good i've

1:11:12

never worked for anybody that's terrible news

1:11:15

and

1:11:16

i don't know what that would be like a at

1:11:18

the is it because they change do

1:11:20

they change their style because vince is in their

1:11:22

ear or are they still doing their

1:11:25

same thing but because the product is so bad

1:11:27

that they get the lane

1:11:29

we're not changing not he you're

1:11:31

you're such a good announcer and yet

1:11:33

you're having to explain all this nonsense

1:11:36

and your credibility is in the toilet

1:11:38

though i never have had do

1:11:40

that when you were there is in ninety six seven

1:11:42

eight or whatever did you see like the fans

1:11:44

like did you read read the room almost

1:11:47

of like people turning on announcers

1:11:50

did he will turn on you know because

1:11:52

i'm not trying to wrestling fans you know now because

1:11:54

if the product was getting hot yoga it

1:11:56

was common up and the

1:11:59

time we got denied in two thousand it was as

1:12:01

hard as ever

1:12:03

i'm an armed with the twitter version was back there

1:12:05

like message boards and a o l the

1:12:07

grants their whatever out of the only thing we ever

1:12:09

did for aol was we would do

1:12:12

poll the end of a paper view

1:12:14

then we would provide the some comments

1:12:16

and the poll results to vince and

1:12:19

if the baby face one the main event

1:12:21

overwhelmingly thumbs up with a whole show

1:12:24

and the opposite was true if the

1:12:26

hill one and so we were given

1:12:29

these

1:12:30

reports to vince every time and vents lee

1:12:33

i talked with about it i said pretty ,

1:12:35

same ah so the no real

1:12:37

need for it anymore is located the

1:12:41

it shows or every unpatriotic

1:12:43

this will be the last break and there will

1:12:45

be ripe the man

1:12:47

can you tell me the about

1:12:50

sitting there and what like the difference of

1:12:53

announcing matches for steve austin announcing

1:12:57

matches for like okada the

1:13:00

you you

1:13:02

you look back and then tell yourself

1:13:05

like

1:13:06

this this get one guy was bigger than the

1:13:08

other guy or this is like how it is this

1:13:10

is what main event wrestling is the of what what

1:13:12

are your thoughts when you can compare the

1:13:15

big names that you've been able to do main

1:13:17

event guys do very little they

1:13:20

do their best stuff then

1:13:23

they put it right spots you can see

1:13:25

it as

1:13:27

when i look at the evolution of wrestlers over time

1:13:29

when the most recently we're talking about it with l desperado

1:13:32

in the junior heavyweight ranks to right now for

1:13:34

me for my money is the best at that weight

1:13:36

class he he's amazing

1:13:39

when he wrestled a bushy and twenty fourteen

1:13:43

he was drawn a bunch of stuff it was hoping

1:13:45

to see what stuck

1:13:46

now he's gotta figured out and he does less

1:13:48

and what gets a better reaction when he was and where

1:13:50

i mean when he was a no a with me the

1:13:53

dude i just a dude yeah he wrestled

1:13:55

like a due back in the day but our star

1:13:58

and once you figure out how to wrestling star

1:14:01

then you just make sure that you're putting your stuff

1:14:03

in that whoever

1:14:05

my opponent is let them do their thing

1:14:08

the to wrestle your match but i'm gonna get

1:14:10

my stuff in and of at the end of gonna get

1:14:12

my henry's what about comparing the time has

1:14:14

she to a townhouse you know gotta to

1:14:17

austin the like you're in the arena you're seeing

1:14:20

i mean i know that was maybe the peak

1:14:22

of wrestling ninety eight writer

1:14:24

that is there like do you see the comparisons

1:14:26

are are are you like these guys you just can't

1:14:28

be like steve austin he was one in a million or whatever

1:14:31

do it again steve austin in iraq

1:14:34

versus okada tallahassee

1:14:36

there

1:14:37

they're so different but they have that aura

1:14:39

about them and they

1:14:42

give the people

1:14:44

what they want and

1:14:48

again just do it in such a way it's

1:14:50

a bit master

1:14:52

psychology all four of them were in

1:14:54

their own way steve was that constantly

1:14:56

, had to stay on him and stay on him and stay on

1:14:58

him and takahashi leave him alone let him stay

1:15:01

terrence out ah and

1:15:04

okada is more like the rock in

1:15:06

terms of pure athleticism and being

1:15:08

able to overcome whatever

1:15:11

you know the opponent throws out just

1:15:13

an amazing stuff so yeah there

1:15:15

are there are similarities than differences

1:15:18

but there's that are that presence and when

1:15:20

you can when somebody comes out the

1:15:22

music hits and you get that law

1:15:25

reaction in japan it's like okay this guy's

1:15:27

getting to that level and

1:15:30

you know hero move has it nato

1:15:32

has it of there's there's guys

1:15:34

up and down the card to do

1:15:36

when when you get to that level then it's like okay

1:15:39

now i'm playing with house money i

1:15:41

made i'm all set i don't have to do

1:15:43

anything else and it's fun to watch as

1:15:45

, spectator as a commentator and and accommodate

1:15:48

also completely i love it and

1:15:50

it because sometimes i'm trying

1:15:52

to figure out how to say less that's

1:15:55

good and that's another thing that i do now is

1:15:57

i say less than i ever have before i

1:16:00

let the pictures tell the story especially

1:16:03

if they're doing a strike exchange one to one

1:16:05

to what am i gonna say let's

1:16:07

hear it let's hear the strikes let's hear the

1:16:09

crowd that

1:16:12

the lesson that you kind of taught

1:16:14

yourself good do

1:16:16

you remember like moments or that his mom is watching it

1:16:18

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1:16:20

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1:16:23

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1:16:26

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1:16:28

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