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The Around the NFL podcast

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is Sorry you didn't get that quarterback

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you wanted.

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Welcome to another edition of Around

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the NFL, a very special edition

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of Around the NFL, the post

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draft edition of.

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Around the NFL.

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Seven rounds in the books

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and now we're gonna talk about it. Dan Hands

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is here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark

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Sessler. It really

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does feel finally, finally

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mark the end of the yellow brick road.

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As we we're gonna have a great episode

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today. We're gonna dig in on winners and losers.

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We're gonna go check in on our sandwich

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props. We're just gonna really kind

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of put this draft to bed and then we

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are on some level set free until

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training camp.

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Yeah, it's interesting because I think

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day three of the draft is

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it's a it's a long haul. But I was thinking

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today as we were creeping from the six

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round into the seventh, that back

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in the days in old Culver, in the old newsroom,

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when the four of us would be, you know, together in

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the in our cube farm, waiting

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for it to end, that the minute the show would

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end, you know, West

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would lead the way out of the out of the newsroom

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to a local tavern somewhere in Culver

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City, downtown Culver and.

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We would typical it would be Rocos Iracos.

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It was often and like we would sell or

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the cozy, but we would celebrate what you're

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just mentioning that this is a pivot

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point, a turning point in what is an off

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season that barely exists until now.

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I don't know, Dan, you know, we got we got around the AFC

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and NFC coming up this week, we got projected

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starter series is coming back.

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You know exactly what I mean. And

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I love it.

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I do love the feeling and I could

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feel it on day two once like you start seeing

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these rosters, because after day two it's

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it's guys, you're not expecting to play much kind

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of get filled in and you have enough of your answers

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and it's like, okay, now now

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we've kind of got the talking points, we've got the

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teams that we're gonna be talking and I'm ready to

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go.

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And yeah, of course the show will continue

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throughout the rest of the spring and into the summer, and we're

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going to have a lot of fun.

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But in terms of like what's coming

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up, what lies ahead, the draft

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was kind of the end of the

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beginning of the end. That

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sounds right, and now we're going to talk about

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it. And we kind of have a tradition on

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this Saturday show. We do it winners and

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losers style. So why

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don't we get it going? And Greg, why don't

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you get us started?

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Okay, I'm going to start with the Washington

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Commanders, who I

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don't know if we gave full, like throated

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enthusiasm because we knew Jaden Daniels was going

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to be the pick there at two and it is

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a really exciting time for their franchise

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to totally restart with a quarterback that that's

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that exciting. And then you look at what they

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did on Day two of the draft,

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and you had so many picks, and you know, I

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was going to make the first winner the team that finally

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stopped the slide of my boy Johnny Newton,

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who, yeah, maybe he felt because of that foots are, but

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I think they got a great, great value. He's going

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to be ready apparently for the offseason.

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At thirty six, they get another player

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who I think can play right away in

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the slot, cornerback from Michigan, Mike Sanders.

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Still, and again it's a reminder

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they loaded up on draft picks. I'm not gonna

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pretend I have like a ton of hot takes for their

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other third and fourth round picks. They get a blocking

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tight end in the second round, but a bunch of Day two

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picks, and you remember, oh yeah, they gave up Chase

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Young, they gave up Montes Sweat. Their

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owner Josh Harris, kind of stepped in with the

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idea of like this this season

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with Ron Vera is unimportant. Everything is about

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the future. They have a ton of Day one

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and two picks. Jayden Daniels is going

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to be exciting. I love these second round picks

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and it's just like a lot of young guys.

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It's a nice start.

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And I think the idea that they had of trading

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Sweat and Young it made sense

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for that team ultimately, and they're

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going to bear the fruits of it after this draft.

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I love that you went here first. I'm

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totally with you.

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And you know, Mike Sandras still the nickelback

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like they Nick Saban called

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him, pound for pound, the best football player

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in the entire draft. I mean, and that's

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not someone that's going to heap false

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praise on someone they got Newton. It

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definitely comes down to how Jayden Daniels winds

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up. But I thought it was a big victory for

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Adam Peters the GM two because you know,

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this is a team that's been in chaos and in

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the abyss for a long time. And he did a number

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of interviews he was willing to go on with like with Bill

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Belichicken friends on ESPN, and

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you know others beyond that, and I thought he

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he laid out to plan. Well, you

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get a sense because I think when you're a fan, we're

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in a savvier time where like you want to know that your GM

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is not a head case, and like he came across

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as someone with a clear direction

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and that's something this team has been missing for a long time.

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They feel like a completely different team. I think

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when you come out of the off season process, whether

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it's free agency and the draft, and you feel like, wait a

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minute, this is a completely different experience.

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That's a victory at least emotionally for now.

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Took a third.

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Round guard, by the way, but the offensive

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line still needs some work. So it's a shaky offensive

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line in Cliff Kingsbury's euroc That's the only concerns.

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But other wise it's exciting. Those are pretty

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big concerns.

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I think it's good that you added that part

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of it, but I agree

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with it. You said, in fact, the Commanders what

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are going to be my first choice as well? And I was

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going to then mention Adam Peters

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because he does also

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benefit from you know, we all

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get sometimes lucky or unlucky

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in life with timing. He is absolutely

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a benefactor of some fortuitous

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timing. And when he gets to the Washington

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football team post Dan Snyder,

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post that messy transition rivera

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year, and now they can really

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start this thing up, and it does feel like such

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a fresh start for the organization. Daniels,

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the way it all worked out, you know, they feel

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very excited about him. Maybe he's a little sloppy

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that week leading up to the draft, but it already feels

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like an ancient story now about the

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way they handled the visits near the end.

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Now he's their quarterback, Newton

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is a highly regarded guy. As a second round

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pick. They are a team that they're

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gonna be worth watching.

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Now.

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There's been a few teams in the league that

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have been very hard to watch for many years

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in a row, and this draft

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you come out of it and the Commanders are one of those teams

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where like, Okay, this is gonna be fun. Now, well,

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there's a reason when we do our draft on Thursday

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for games each Sunday, why you're

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not gonna avoid the Commanders. And credit

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to Peters and the organization and Josh

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Harris, who I don't think is gonna walk into any

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restaurant and take someone else's hat off and tell

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them what for. I mean, that

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guy seems to have his act together as well. So

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good job by the Commanders, good job fans.

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This could be an exciting era for the team about

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to commence.

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Yeah, I mean, I think the other team

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that you'd mentioned, Dan and you talk about like Snoozefest

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for years in a row, that you just so much simply

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avoid unless they were playing like

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a sexy operation. On the other

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side, the Bears. I mean, they've been a they've

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been a problematic watch for so long, and like I

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think I was thinking about, like when you go to Pro Football

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Reference and you look at like a draft from four

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or five years ago, and it's like either the

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name is highlighted and bold because they're still

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active, or it's not because they're

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not playing football anymore. And I really

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don't care what happened. They didn't

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have a lot of picks in this draft. But if

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if you get to a point a couple years from now that Caleb

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Williams and Romadunze are still operating

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for Chicago and doing what you hope they're doing, this

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is a completely different team and they have tranled

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just as much as Washington, but over the course of two

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offseasons are completely transformed.

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And I think Caleb Williams is

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a big winner because there

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were these floating questions about the

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millennial nature of him and all this stuff that I think

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is garbage that he put to bed.

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I think with his own personality, he did a great job.

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Right when he was drafted. He

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seems so proud to be a quarterback

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for the Chicago Bears' that's been a long

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time coming. And you found the wide receiver

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at number nine that was like, this is ideal,

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And so I think the combination of them,

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but the rest of the roster.

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Addie Refluss was a largely anonymous coach.

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To two offseasons ago, you're starting

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to realize, like this GM and coach together,

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the whole Chicago Bears situation

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looks so much more promising that I put them right

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there with Washington as a team that you feel

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completely different about it. It's like, I'll be annoyed

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if Greg is drafting the Bears, you

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know, early on in Week one or

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week two next year, because I want to watch them now and

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I've not felt that way about the former

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Mitch Trubisky led Bears in a billion years.

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So that's new territory for me.

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It's like, fine, if you're got to put them

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in primetime five or six times like they seem to

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do with the Bears every year. Now we get Caleb

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Williams and Rome of Dunese, I'm with you.

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I also liked that they have this third round tackle

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that, like a lot of times players say

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there, I was a fan with the team growing

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up, you know, I was always a fan. It's like now in

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the age of Twitter, you can go and see it. His

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name is Kieran I'm a god

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Jay, a tackle from Yale, and they

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found his tweets just railing

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the play calling from like four years ago,

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saying I love watching both our tackles get

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beat at the same time as like Nick Foles

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got rocked. Our leading rusher is a linebacker,

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for eleven yards. Make the pain stop?

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Please?

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How come no one can call plays on this team?

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I just love like seeing like a now

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a player on the team can can see

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if he wants.

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To complain about the play calling, but I like their play caller.

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So Winners Commanders,

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Mark yours was the Bears

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right?

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And that?

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And you guys are killing me because that you've now hit

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the both the ones I was going to talk about.

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The Bears was almost too obvious, but you got to

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lead with those two. I think the Bears the Bears like,

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how could you do better than they did? So what are you

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saying that? You're saying that? Mark? And it

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brought it up and no, it was my too.

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I just mean, like you get anyone is

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getting too cute mentioning teams before the

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Bears, maybe I was too cute. Even It's like, how can

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you win it more than Caleb Williams and

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third.

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Winner in this selection process,

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I would say I'm definitely a loser in the winners

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section in terms of the timing, but

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I'll find a way to get even. I'll say

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that it's so it's

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it's so striking. The difference a

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difference one year makes what

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happened with Bryce Young and Carolina

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as the number one overall pick, and

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the way I hope teams

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learn from that and putting

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a kid into the starting lineup with nothing

10:19

around him is a recipe for disaster. And

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that was kind of a that was a

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perfect storm of poop

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for the Panthers because to get

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to that number one pick, you had to trade

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your number one wide receiver when you didn't have

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much behind him at all. So you took away

10:37

this you know, gifted young player in Dj

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Moore, and then you get the number one guy

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you want.

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Forget about the CJ.

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Stroud component, but just the idea of

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not having any help around and

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I just I'm blown away by the difference

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for Caleb Williams, who

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has Shane Waldron coaching

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him, he has DJ Moore, as they said,

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on the outside, you have this fantastically

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exciting rookie prospect and Roma Dunez.

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And we know that wide receivers

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can hit the ground running as big time

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producers, so that's a possibility here

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that DJ Moore, who I think was a fifteen hundred

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yard receiver with a ton of touchdowns,

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now has a potential superstar joining him. And

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oh by the way, Keenan Allen is on this team,

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and Keenan Allen, before

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he went got injured last year, was on pace for like one hundred

11:24

and thirty catches.

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So that's how you do it.

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I mean, And they'll have

11:28

to block for him obviously in the running game will have

11:30

to do its work. But he is so set up well

11:32

and I should mention DeAndre Swift also is

11:35

added to this team, and that's a guy can make plays out

11:37

of the backfield as a pass receiver too. So

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you know, I think from

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number one overall pick like confidence

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in a player hitting the ground running where when you

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combined his pedigree

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and what we think that this player is Caleb

11:52

Williams. Now with what he's joining, the

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Bears can instantly be a threat in

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the NFC. And that's an exciting thought I know

11:58

for Bears fans, maybe

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the.

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Best division of football now and I went up, Now

12:03

we're gonna that the Packers Bears game. I mean,

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that could be like Sunday Night Week one. I

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feel like, let's flip it.

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Over to losers and I'll

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start with the Dallas Cowboys. It's

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been a tough offseason for the Dallas Cowboys.

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And I thought there was a chance here

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that they would hit

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on the draft in a way that was

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exciting. And it doesn't really matter if it's buzzy.

12:27

Ultimately, the guys that they pick have

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to play like Tyler get in their offensive tackle

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out to Oklahoma. They take an edge rusher

12:33

Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan with their

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second round pick. They take another

12:37

line in Cooper Bebee with their third round

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pick. But there is a significant

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lack of sizzle here around

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the Dallas Cowboys and a team that needed to

12:48

find a way to get better this offseason. I just don't

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see it, and then you have these I

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don't know. I think I think it's

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fair to say, if you're a Cowboys fan

12:58

that you're a little bit nerve us

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about Jerry Jones as

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we enter these next

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years going ahead. He's an aging

13:07

owner and they are. Obviously

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he has a huge voice in that room the

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press conference heading into Round two for

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a team that was desperate for running back help.

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Let's listen to Jerry Jones here when he talks

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about a running back prospect and does

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not do it after they take the prospect.

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They do it before.

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That's true that you could give some kind of assessment

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about Jonathan Brooks as an

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NFL prospect.

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And how his recovery is

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coming from Mashields versus.

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In my thirty years, I thought it was

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the best interview that I've ever interviewed.

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What's a player? He's

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outstanding and

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he's just outstanding, and he's

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a great football player. We

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got him.

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And he's a good

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showing the board, well, I got.

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It out here.

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I'm sorry.

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Who's on the far right on that day is

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I had the same question. That's well play

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They're they're personnel director. Okay, great,

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so that's important.

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If you play the rest of that clip, I'll

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just tell you Stephen Jones is next to him, Jerry's

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son, who literally elbows him and says,

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hey, show them the whole board. While you're at it, you have

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Mike mccarthur just sitting there essentially

14:25

like a corpse, like I cannot believe this is what's happening.

14:28

And then you have the personnel director who

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ends the interaction with media

14:33

with and there's a lot of other guys we like too, So

14:36

you get basically give away how desperate you are for Jonathan

14:38

Brooks, who then of course goes to another team, and

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I don't know if it's direct, if it's there's a correlation,

14:43

but they take Jonathan Brooks forty

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six in the twenty twenty four draft,

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So the Panthers jump up and get Brooks,

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and I just thought it was

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that was like a snapshot into the

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world of the Cowboys right now. And the reporting

14:57

that's coming out today that the Cowboys

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are now interested in a reunion with Ezekiel

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Elliott tells me everything about an organization

15:03

that needs to find a way to get over the hump.

15:06

But if anything, I feel like they've backed alid

15:08

a little bit this offseason.

15:09

I'm with you, and like the I think the Ezekiel

15:11

Elliott part of it is uncreative.

15:14

It is embarrassing because you

15:17

here's the thing. I think Jerry Jones over

15:19

the last five six plus

15:21

years and his team

15:24

kind of kind of quieted some of the criticism

15:27

about it being a bit of a Wild West operation

15:29

because they drafted really well and

15:31

they made good decisions. And I know, you know in the past

15:33

he always like over extended his own players

15:35

and paid them too much, but they were good. A team

15:37

that drafted well like this in this offseason

15:40

has been a complete

15:42

disaster.

15:43

And and there's you know it was too

15:45

monchy, so you could complete disaster. That feels

15:47

a little I don't want to. I don't think it's I don't think it is.

15:49

Here's the thing, because this is a team, this is one of the

15:51

five or six teams that went into

15:53

the offseason viewing themselves

15:55

as a super Bowl team and

15:58

verbalized because here's what annoys me, because

16:01

you don't have to say anything. You don't have to say what

16:03

you just said in that press conference. You don't have to say what

16:05

you said months ago where Jerry Jones is telling

16:07

the world and everyone's gonna listen and talk

16:09

about it. We're all in, we're gonna do everything. And I'm tired

16:11

of talking about the subject at this point too. But it's like, you're

16:13

gonna say that and then you do nothing.

16:15

Look, I think they ended up with a guy and Tyler

16:18

Geitton that might not be ready to play right away, and yet they

16:20

need him to play right away. And after trading

16:22

down five, but to give them some credit, they

16:24

picked up an extra third round pick because like

16:27

they might need another starter to start

16:29

this year, and that's Cooper Beebe.

16:30

So it's like Okay, you traded down.

16:32

You maybe did get an extra potential

16:34

starter at guard in the third round.

16:36

We'll see if that works out or not. But the Brooks thing is

16:39

crazy to me.

16:40

Not only did that lose me a sandwich by Jonathan

16:42

Brooks Cowboys, that direct hit

16:45

which I thought was gonna happen, that was before the

16:47

draft. I made that pick. And then

16:49

he said that the Panthers. The

16:51

Panthers traded up. Of course they're aware

16:53

of that, and they're probably aware that the Cowboys

16:56

are heat seeking and running back anyways,

16:59

and Jonathan Brooks, if he wasn't coming off of torn

17:01

acl I mean his tape as a receiver

17:03

and just how he can move

17:06

his feet as a big guy is pretty great.

17:08

Like he could have been a potential first round running back

17:10

now for the injury, and yeah, you

17:12

gave away the game and you don't end up with

17:14

your guy in the second round.

17:16

Jarro turns eighty two later this

17:18

year, and I just if

17:20

you haven't seen it, and you can check it out on

17:22

YouTube if you'd like, where the

17:24

show also lives. Just seeing

17:26

the way Steven Jones especially was reacting

17:29

and Mike McCarthy I think was in a catatonic

17:31

shock at that point how they reacted

17:33

to the Cowboys credit and this is to Jarro's

17:36

credit, to Stephen Jones, to Mike McCarthy.

17:38

The last three seasons twelve and five, twelve and five,

17:40

twelve and five, and a lot of that has been

17:42

going back to strong drafting

17:45

and they've been able to become a

17:47

top team in the NFC. It's just

17:50

I can't shake that feeling and this now I don't

17:52

want to step on the around the NFC

17:54

in forty eight minutes. But my overall

17:56

thought is like they already had the window, was

17:58

the window, and now they

18:01

missed it with Dak and CD and

18:03

Michael when they were young, when they were younger, before

18:05

second contracts, and now they're stuck in this

18:07

kind of I don't know, purgatory

18:09

and they and they're not there. They can't

18:11

really improve the team because they if they want

18:14

to keep the core together, they're gonna have to pay all those

18:16

guys. So you're kind of stuck in between.

18:18

And then you have to and you're picking late

18:20

in the draft because you keep on having a great regular season

18:22

record, So they're kind of caught in this twilight

18:25

zone. It will be interesting to see what Cowboys

18:27

team we get in September.

18:29

Yeah, the biggest concern for me is

18:32

the change of tone in the Dak Prescott

18:34

talks that the Cowboys are kind of putting it all off,

18:36

and Dak when asked about it at these charity events

18:38

and stuff, has a very different tone too,

18:41

and that that's an awkward situation. He has a

18:43

no trade I mean a no tag clause

18:45

in his contract, which is massive

18:48

as he hits free agency. And yeah, they could they

18:50

could decide to just like rip the bandit off. And you're right,

18:52

they've drafted well, but they didn't last year when

18:55

I thought they kind of reached for need. And I kind of think

18:57

if you look at this drafty, they kind of reach

18:59

for need too.

19:00

Let me just final point when

19:02

you look at their depth chart, because I really thought they

19:04

needed to add a playmaker to

19:06

their offense. They don't get the

19:08

running back they wanted. You

19:10

still obviously have CD there, although you

19:12

have contract drama around him. You still have Brandon

19:15

Cooks, who's a very solid guy who

19:17

found his footing right now. You have

19:19

Jalen Tolbert as a starter.

19:22

You have a sixth round pick, Ryan

19:24

Floornoy taken. You have

19:27

a seventh round pick last year, Jalen Brooks

19:29

on the roster. Cavante

19:32

Turpin is there as an option.

19:35

It's just it's not hot.

19:37

It ain't hot on that depth chart. Once you get past

19:39

the super duperstar and

19:42

Brooks, so.

19:44

Cooks, I should say.

19:45

All right, how about another winner

19:47

or a loser, anything you want.

19:49

Greg Well, just because you mentioned it

19:51

with Jonathan

19:53

Brooks, just a quick winner on Bryce

19:55

Young, I thought the first

19:58

round pick, you know, moving up to take Xavier Leget, it's

20:00

a little risky. He's a risky prospect. He kind

20:02

of reminds me of Jonathan Mingo, the guy they took at fortieth

20:05

overall last years. Like he's not really a

20:07

guy that gets opened, but when you see him running in

20:09

the open field, he is just like a sight to behold.

20:11

I would like guys that could get open. I know that they're hoping

20:13

the offense, you know, help helps you out

20:15

a little bit more. But then in the second round,

20:18

you get the best running back in the class with Jonathan

20:20

Brooks. You get a tight end in Jatavian Sanders.

20:22

You spent all that money in the off season

20:25

on the offensive line, just like an exorbitant

20:27

amount of money. It's like, Okay, we're trying

20:29

here. Like they went into this draft trying to

20:31

help Bryce hung out as much as they could.

20:33

Jatavian Sanders is a

20:36

pretty explosive tight end. Maybe it takes them a year to

20:38

get ready, but like, okay, three more offensive

20:40

pieces. We spent much on the line. It's like, at

20:42

least they're trying go Bryce Young,

20:44

don't give up.

20:46

I'm with you.

20:47

I thought they they had a good draft,

20:49

and I mean they I think it makes

20:51

sense because we saw the Bills do this with Josh Allen

20:54

in a hurry and this was a Kyle Shanahan

20:56

thing. Wherever he went was like a mass weapons

20:58

and get your kind of offense together quickly.

21:01

And I like what they've done for

21:03

Bryce Young this this offseason. There are, yes,

21:05

there's some question marks about parts of it,

21:07

but it is wholly better than where it

21:09

was a year ago. And it's like, you're gonna get a better

21:11

read because I I don't give him a total

21:14

mulligan for last season, but it's just kind of hard

21:16

to assess who the player is going

21:18

forward based on that. You know,

21:20

a total mess of a campaign where the coach is

21:22

getting fired. You're already on your second. I

21:24

like, I like the idea of you're bringing a quarterback

21:27

in Canalis, the guy that's saved two quarterbacks

21:29

in a row.

21:30

That's a good fit.

21:30

And then they're putting him in a position where we can assess

21:33

what Bryce Young is and then you've got to make a hard

21:35

decision if he's not improved.

21:39

All right, give us another one mark, So

21:42

I'll give you a winner with a loser folded

21:44

inside of it. I thought the Bengals had

21:47

a good draft, and it's it.

21:49

Maybe maybe you don't love all

21:52

of it because I know, you know, we're communicating and we're

21:54

hearing from like you know, the Westling brothers, and they

21:56

seem kind of hot and cold with certain stuff.

21:58

But like, if you get the right version, we weren't.

22:00

Big on a Marius Mems, which I thought was a shot

22:02

worth taking at the spot.

22:04

I'm with you, and that's the thing. I think.

22:05

If you get like the upside, and I think they

22:07

trust that they can do that, then

22:10

that's a good pick.

22:10

All right, Let's take a break and we'll

22:13

do some more winners and losers.

22:15

Just getting warmed up here. We'll be right back. Welcome

22:26

back. We're gonna do some winters and losers coming up in

22:28

these seconds. What

22:31

love is that?

22:32

Why you're talking so fast while

22:34

you're rotating in the chair too.

22:36

You were giving a little audio fantasia

22:39

there for us. I like that. I

22:42

don't know what fantasia means, but I love it.

22:46

Welcome back, everybody, We are

22:49

going to get back into winters and losers, and we are.

22:52

Let's talk about a guy that's you know, he's been in our

22:54

life for a while now, and

22:57

he's always struck me as

23:01

a unique individual. And it's

23:03

hard to it's

23:05

hard to really put

23:08

your finger on it. What it

23:10

is that makes him such a unique

23:12

individual. What like

23:14

what makes Chris

23:17

Ballard tick? Indianapolis

23:20

Cults general manager

23:23

since twenty seventeen. And

23:27

I guess I will say that it's good to have a Chris Ballard

23:29

in the league because he is going

23:31

to come at you and he's going to surprise you sometimes. Sometimes

23:34

will be by the way he looks

23:37

like he's growing his hair out, like twenty

23:39

eleven era Tom Cruise

23:41

right now, like Tom Cruise Scientology

23:44

video leaks era hair.

23:47

Or twenty eleven Tom Brady. I

23:49

feel like he's bad.

23:50

Which is by far my least favorite

23:52

Tom Brady hair era. I did that one,

23:55

Just that one threw me for a loop. But anyway,

23:57

with Ballard, it's like, Okay, you're always

23:59

going to keep us on our toes. And

24:02

with that said, he kept the entire

24:04

media on their toes when

24:07

he sat down after the

24:09

Friday drafting of a

24:12

wide receiver A done Mitchell,

24:14

who is a very talented player who

24:17

I guess fell down or fell off some draft

24:20

boards because of reports.

24:23

Is important, reports

24:25

of.

24:25

Character concerns, okay,

24:27

and a lot of these reports were

24:30

not necessarily strongly sourced,

24:32

but it's stuck to Mitchell, whether

24:34

he deserved to or not.

24:35

I can't.

24:36

I don't have the data or the research

24:38

to tell you whether this man should have been getting dinged

24:40

with character concerned reports. But what

24:44

Chris Ballard doesn't like are people

24:46

throwing it out there and not putting their names behind

24:48

it.

24:48

So hit it, Chris, I

24:51

don't.

24:52

I don't know. I mean I read some of the bulls that

24:56

was set on Tea. I mean just a typical excuse

24:59

my language, our typical league,

25:02

unnamed sources, you

25:04

know, bad interview. That's such bullshit.

25:07

I mean it is. It's bullshit,

25:09

like put your name, like, put your name

25:11

on it. I'm

25:14

tired of we tear these young men

25:16

down. These are twenty one, twenty two young men.

25:18

And if you can, if people out there can

25:21

tell me, they don't they're perfect

25:23

in their lives. It's crap, it's

25:25

crap. This is a good kid, and

25:29

you know, for for that, for those reports

25:31

to come out, like you know, I said

25:33

it last year, it's it's

25:35

bullshit. I'm sorry.

25:37

I apologize for the language. I don't but

25:40

I do.

25:42

So he obviously that's that's mad.

25:45

He's big mad there about it.

25:47

And I did like uh. And we'll learn more

25:49

about Mitchell and his NFL journey here now.

25:52

But he was asked, Mitchell

25:54

the receiver was asked to describe

25:56

his game later that same day,

25:58

and this is good. His respects the

26:01

best. That's

26:03

like a Liam Gallagher type response.

26:07

That is a wild journey there,

26:09

And look, I think it worked out

26:12

for Ballard. He ends up taking

26:14

Lati Latu in

26:16

the first round, the top defensive player

26:18

on his board, clearly because he was the first one

26:20

off the board, and knowing this is a deep receiver

26:22

class and to have a guy like Adie Mitchell, who everyone

26:25

expected to go in the first round and had some real

26:27

number one receiver type traits fall to him.

26:30

It worked out well, and Ballard's

26:32

mad, and I mean that's a close it's

26:34

a friend of Lanceserline, who's a friend of the show.

26:37

So that's a strong character

26:40

connection there. I think the issue with Mitchell

26:42

though, and I'll put my name on it, and I don't

26:44

know. If I don't know about the character stuff, there probably was stuff

26:46

out there I didn't see. But my issue was

26:49

when you watched him, it just like looked like he was going

26:51

half speed like a lot of the time, Like

26:53

he just didn't go all out every route.

26:55

And so that's not a character issue.

26:56

And there could be conversations about why that happened

26:58

and why that didn't, but that's gonna take him off some people's

27:01

boards of like a guy that you didn't feel

27:03

was giving one hundred

27:05

percent every single snap in college, and there

27:07

might be reasons for that, and clearly the Colts don't mind.

27:09

And he's probably gonna play right away over Alec

27:11

Pierce. He's a better version of Alec Pierce Ballard

27:14

definitely. I mean, we've got a lot of you

27:16

know, track record with him. He certainly likes

27:19

traits and players. He wants big, strong,

27:22

lanky, tall guys and like the Colts

27:24

are built around him and like in other organizations,

27:27

like I'm not sure he would have survived because

27:29

they misfired on the quarterback situation

27:31

post Andrew Luck so many times.

27:33

But I will say this about Ballard Dan like he

27:36

looks about twelve years younger to me right now. The

27:38

hair, the skin, I don't know what's going

27:41

on.

27:41

It's like there's a bit of a glow up happening

27:43

there and like it's yet we like, I I

27:45

know you've had like Ballard personality,

27:49

I don't know what it is or just like the overall vibe

27:51

of him. You know, the favorite type of frog thing too, that's

27:53

just that's that's out there. But like he

27:55

to me looks about as good as he's ever looked.

27:58

He's had an incredible the frog

28:00

thing.

28:01

What's your favorite type of frog? What's your favorite

28:03

type of frog? We know it

28:06

was just gaslight mark and say, we have no idea

28:08

what you're talking about.

28:11

Two if you were on that hill together because of a combine

28:13

experience, I understand that, but like.

28:14

Would you famously ask that.

28:16

Would you say that he

28:19

do you not agree that he looks younger

28:21

in fresher And this is

28:23

one of the biggest takeaway I have from one of the biggest

28:25

takeaways I have from the draft.

28:27

Sure, yeah, I think he looks good for

28:29

his age. And I think, uh,

28:32

I think going back to that standing

28:34

in Indianapolis, Greg, you

28:37

and I next each other, and and

28:39

and watching him address the media for the first

28:41

time all those years ago, like this, what happened

28:43

today is kind of hammering home

28:46

that, like what that initial

28:48

observation, like, this guy just feels a little different.

28:50

He's he's got a little he's got a little

28:52

something to him, a little piss and vinegar, a little

28:54

bit of an unpredictable nature to him. Maybe

28:56

he's a perfect GM for ownership

28:58

with Jim Irs.

28:59

You know something you can't quite put a

29:01

finger on. But Eric

29:03

Eric Hebron did that. This story

29:06

got passed around so long that Eric Ebron

29:09

responded to it and said, this

29:11

is the same dude that trashed my name throughout

29:13

the league, said he said I quit

29:15

after I played, knowing I needed surgery.

29:18

This is cap So he's saying that Ballard

29:20

is just grand standing about a g Adie Mitchell

29:23

and I think he's the worst GM ever.

29:25

So that's yes, that's Eric Brown. Okay.

29:30

I was like, okay, I didn't know this was a thing, but I

29:32

guess it was a thing, all

29:34

right. I have one connected to

29:36

that good Colts team because I thought they were connected. That

29:39

the Colts and Chargers were winners for the same reason,

29:41

just that that they passed on wide

29:43

receivers at spots that they absolutely

29:45

could have. And if the Chargers had Malik

29:48

Neighbors or the Colts to Brian Thomas

29:50

Junior, like I would have liked those picks. But

29:52

if you look at the combination of what they got,

29:55

the Colts got Lots and Mitchell,

29:58

and then the Chargers got Joe all like a

30:00

really great tackle prospect, and you get

30:02

lo Lad mcconckiy in the second round. You

30:05

make those decisions not in a vacuum, knowing

30:07

that receiver is deeper this year, that

30:09

the two pack you're getting with your two premium

30:12

picks is going to be better perhaps

30:14

if you pass on the wide receiver early.

30:17

And I just think the Chargers headed at

30:19

a nice week. They also got Junior Colson.

30:22

It's probably gonna.

30:23

Start right away.

30:24

Just a David Harris clone

30:26

is kind of his his mo O, and he played

30:28

for Jim Harbaugh, and it's just like, it's just

30:30

so nice to have Harbor. I mentioned the quote the other

30:33

day, Randy behind

30:35

the Virtual Glass. Let's let's play the

30:37

the other Jim Harbaugh quote talking about his

30:39

brother texting him.

30:40

During the drift.

30:42

My brother texted me getting after the

30:44

pick and he said, that's that's who

30:46

I would have taken if

30:49

if he was at that picks.

31:00

In the phone.

31:02

Let's see.

31:05

Taking the phone.

31:06

Oh, I haven't texted him back there.

31:10

We'd be an appropriate response there.

31:14

Thumbs up and

31:16

I'll.

31:19

I'll give him a.

31:22

Oh wow, that's that's cool. Like my dad,

31:25

Keith Hansas.

31:26

Uh.

31:27

I feel like in the last eighteen months or so started rocking

31:29

with emojis for the first time, and it's

31:31

it's a jarring moment. And I think Jim

31:34

Harbaugh using emojis is not something

31:36

I could ever admit. And I think he was playing

31:38

along there. He had no idea what they were talking about.

31:40

In terms of putting a thumbs up. He

31:42

probably wrote thumbs up, that would be a move that

31:45

feels like a Jim Harbaugh move. I

31:47

I'm glad you brought up the Chargers there too, because

31:49

I agree. I think the only

31:51

thing I was nervous with the Harball hire was

31:53

that he's he's such a

31:56

huge personality and character

31:58

at this point that he's almost too big

32:00

for a team like the Chargers, and it could lead to

32:02

some chaos with him being

32:05

unchecked power wise and some strange stuff

32:07

going on, like, for instance,

32:09

you know, answering the phone when the Patriots called

32:13

about a trade of Justin Herbert, and I just feel like it's

32:15

been a sensible I know it was

32:17

a little dicey there in free agency when

32:19

they essentially dump their

32:21

top two wide receivers, but that's also there's

32:24

a logic behind that those are thirty something receivers

32:27

with injury histories, and to

32:29

take the best offensive lineman prospect

32:31

in a couple of years number one McConkey

32:34

feels like a very Jim Harbaugh guy.

32:36

And as much

32:38

as we all can argue

32:40

about Justin Herbert about at what level

32:42

and how special truly is Herbert entering

32:45

year five, Like, give

32:47

him weapons and give him stability,

32:49

and give him a good offensive line, and you're

32:52

gonna get some real hard answers. So I

32:54

think the Chargers are set up well here.

32:56

Yeah, it's kind of like we talked about the

32:58

Commanders and the Bears being

33:00

different to us, and the Chargers to me, you

33:03

know, year after year, like no matter

33:05

who was in charge, seemed to be snake

33:08

bit by the same football god,

33:10

ill luck and misfortunes it

33:12

did. They just seem the same to me always, And it's like

33:14

they feel very different to me now. And I think, like

33:17

like Lad McConkie, and we've talked about him a little

33:19

bit before on the show. I mean, justin

33:21

Herbert's gonna love him, and I think that Alt is

33:24

an absolute home run pick.

33:25

So it's like the Chargers to me, there's some different

33:27

energy.

33:27

And I think the Harball thing is not just you

33:30

know, a bunch of headlines and a bunch of personality,

33:32

Like there's a real plan here.

33:34

And I identified him with as like an aging

33:36

man who very often like sees a

33:38

text I enjoy kind of look at it, laugh,

33:40

but I'm in the middle of something and then I

33:43

completely forget to ever respond, and then

33:45

you're just I just figure, well, I guess don't

33:47

ever respond.

33:48

It's fine.

33:49

You know, people, they're gonna have to

33:51

understand it. It's a totally different vibe with the Chargers,

33:53

though, Jim Harborten, we got to get to this at some point

33:55

in the off season. Is living in an RV park

33:58

next to Greg Roman. I mean, that is

34:00

just it's amazing content. And

34:02

then the Chargers have built out some content.

34:05

I think, dis.

34:07

Yeah, we bring that up, but that doesn't mean

34:09

that we can't dig deeper into that, into

34:11

that top. I have a winner that I'm like

34:13

a little hesitant or flat

34:15

out kind of scared to bring up on this

34:17

show. I don't so I'm I don't know if

34:19

I should or not.

34:20

But it's up to you guys, please,

34:23

I mean, now you have to.

34:24

I mean, I

34:27

know, I know it's a little on the nose, but if

34:29

you're the Eagles and you get

34:32

Quenyon Mitchell falls to you.

34:34

But we already did this.

34:35

I already remember that reumptively named

34:38

them winners on Wednesday.

34:39

Okay, but there's more to it, I would say.

34:41

I I think that, like, for instance, some of their other

34:43

picks like will Shipley

34:45

is a very interesting running back, like Cooper

34:47

Dejean, who I think is a loser in terms

34:49

of money because I had him

34:52

going like at twenty and a lot of people had him going in

34:54

the twenties.

34:54

But he falls to the second round.

34:56

He goes at forty, but it's a great landing

34:58

spot, so he's kind of a winner. It's kind of if you ever,

35:00

like were younger, and you took a job

35:02

that felt better to you, that had a little bit less money

35:05

attached to it, and you made a good decision on

35:07

top of that, Like they resigned a j.

35:09

Brown.

35:09

We talked about that, but Jeremiah Trotter is

35:12

we've we've mentioned that we'll get the best.

35:15

But it's like they did.

35:16

They did, they did, they had, They

35:18

didn't over they didn't trade up to get stuff that

35:20

they that they had to overspend for quality

35:23

failed to them.

35:24

So there's some luck there.

35:24

It's not all Howie Roseman is a demi god

35:27

from a different part of the solar system.

35:29

But it's like luck but smart decision

35:31

making. They got better. Like their secondary

35:33

quietly needed a lot of work, I thought, and like they

35:35

addressed it, and so it was just a very solid

35:38

draft for the Eagles. Where

35:41

you're walking away thinking like this

35:43

was a chaotic end of the last season, but we've

35:45

kind of reset the board to some degree.

35:47

At this point, there's two there's

35:49

two conversations, and they're separate conversations.

35:52

So that's that's important. Like my

35:54

take that I've shared that

35:57

I feel like NFL media

36:00

in general is filled with a lot of copycats

36:02

and people that just prib the

36:04

notes off people who are seen as

36:07

tastemakers in terms of opinion.

36:09

I think that's I think that is an.

36:12

Epidemic that

36:14

that as somebody who listen,

36:16

you may think Dan gets a lot things right,

36:18

a lot of things wrong. But I

36:20

tell you, every opinion I have is my opinion, and

36:23

sometimes I think, and it's something that

36:25

actually comes from how I feel and I share

36:27

it.

36:28

There's too much.

36:28

There's too much out there, people aligning themselves

36:31

with people whose opinions are respected

36:33

on a higher level. Greg's part of the problem with this,

36:36

and and I think, what, No, you're

36:38

not a part of the problem. But Greg, you are one of the taste

36:40

makers, by the way, and that's a credit I'll give to you.

36:42

I know.

36:42

That's why it makes you a little uncomfortable bringing up because

36:45

Greg has has.

36:47

Influence just like like the same

36:49

sort of team building that like how he is

36:52

into we've been too Eagles since

36:54

twenty seventeen, but they Greg, Greg

36:56

Dan is.

36:56

Right, but there is a how we hero

36:59

worship element that like,

37:01

yeah, I'm not even on Twitter, I don't and you do

37:03

check it out once in a while.

37:04

And I think Dan's got a point there.

37:05

And you have that, you have a

37:08

platform Greg within the football

37:10

Gagna Zancty, and you're not alone

37:12

and there are other people that think Howie and his team

37:14

are really sharp and and so

37:17

that's that's part one of this. Now Part two is the theory

37:19

I have and I think why

37:21

this keeps happening every year. I

37:25

believe the Eagles are very online. This

37:28

is a theory I have and the Eagles.

37:30

So when all of these boards

37:32

come out about these draft boards, about who's

37:34

a good value who these mocks, isn't

37:37

it funny that the guys

37:39

that are widely mocked in the first round then fall

37:41

to the later rounds, it's always the Eagles that are

37:43

the ones that get those guys. So I think

37:46

the Eagles are the

37:49

decisions they make are very similar

37:51

to the mock draft community,

37:53

the top mock draft community people. And

37:56

then when they take that guy that, oh

37:58

wait, he was supposed to go twenty three, but he's going

38:00

thirty eight, and everybody's like, oh

38:02

my god, the Eagles done it again. Maybe the Eagles

38:04

aren't doing any work at all, and they are

38:06

just like basically studying, like Daniel Jeremiah

38:09

is top fifty or mel Kiper's big board,

38:11

and they're taking whoever's the highest left pick. It's

38:14

like the guy in your fantasy league who

38:16

doesn't know anything but just takes best available

38:19

player and then you're like, whoa, how did that person

38:21

last into the third round? I think

38:23

that's a little thing's Eagles. So I got

38:25

multiple theories out there.

38:26

Greg.

38:27

I respect your football knowledge you are.

38:29

I'm not saying you're part of the problem, but it's people

38:32

that then follow the

38:35

people that are deemed the intellectual

38:37

taste makers of football universe

38:40

that are on my radar. Good job, Eagles.

38:43

It looks like you got better and you better get

38:45

better.

38:46

I love this theory because it

38:48

just shows what a boondoggle it is

38:50

for the roughly thirty seven men

38:53

and women, mostly men. Let's be

38:55

real, in suits in

38:57

a white shirt with no tie. There's like an Eagle

39:00

uniform that is the most crowded draft room I've ever

39:02

seen. There's thirty dudes with

39:05

suits on, but all they're doing is printing

39:07

out the Consensus big board. And

39:09

you know what, there's actually a real answer, so

39:11

that you might be onto something here in

39:14

reality, because the Ravens

39:16

and the Bengals are like this too. There are a lot of analytical

39:19

thinking that like if you go by the consensus

39:21

big board, if you go way off,

39:23

for instance, a consensus big board, like

39:26

over time, it's been proven production wise,

39:28

like the Consensus big board actually

39:31

does outperform basically anything

39:33

else that you could do, you really could draft off.

39:35

And the consensus big board Aurifasann who's

39:37

been on our show he puts it together, is from like one

39:39

hundred big boards, And you're

39:41

kind of right that if you do go off that

39:43

over time it's been proven like that's pretty

39:45

effective to maybe not be like

39:48

the Jaguars who are always taking guys

39:50

like fifty spots before they were

39:52

supposed to go.

39:53

I think you make a compelling

39:55

point, Dan with your with your theory, and

39:57

there is probably an element of truth to everything

39:59

you're saying. But the other way you

40:01

can go in the draft is be a team

40:03

like, you know, like we talked about

40:05

this a bunch the other night, but like the Falcons, that

40:07

takes Michael Pennix when no one thought you would

40:09

take them there, and then they took a defensive tackle.

40:12

You know, next that, like people are saying, wait a minute,

40:14

that guy's meant to go in like the fourth or fifth round, and

40:16

it's like suddenly things start to look

40:19

nonsensical, slightly dark,

40:21

slightly crazy, and it's like that fan

40:23

base that front

40:25

office is thinking differently and not thinking the way the public

40:28

things.

40:28

But do we like that? You know?

40:30

I think I've made my point on the Falcons clear,

40:32

but like I think the Eagles

40:34

are very well run and not overthinking

40:36

things I think helps you a lot.

40:38

I also think there's the NFL.

40:41

Now forget about the COGNITCENTI, the NFL

40:44

is also a copycat league in thinking

40:47

a lot and when a player starts dropping

40:49

down the board, I think there's a lot of teams

40:51

that go like, oh, if so and so doesn't

40:53

like them, why should we like them? And to the Eagles

40:56

credit, I don't think they think the same way. I think

40:58

if they they like a player, they go and

41:00

get them. So there, I guess

41:02

that the overarching theory here

41:05

is that the reason why they

41:07

keep on being the bell of the ball

41:10

is their their

41:12

draft style, like and their draft

41:14

methods and mythology methodology

41:18

connects with what everyone's

41:20

obsessing about for four months and with their

41:23

mocks and all the things that they're obsessed with. So

41:25

when the Eagles make the pick that everyone's been spending

41:27

weeks and weeks about these certain players, it's.

41:29

Like, yes, the Eagles, they

41:31

did it. You're right, they legitimized

41:34

not just their roster but me. You're

41:37

right.

41:37

But Greg, I'd asked you a question, like, why do you think that

41:39

Cooper dejen fell? I think

41:41

that was a genuine surprise that he felt that

41:44

even that far into the second round.

41:46

I think he can do a lot.

41:47

He's a good return man, which matters a lot this

41:50

at least this season, as a you know,

41:52

in today's NFL, it's like he seemed like almost

41:54

any team could use him, and it's like a lot of

41:56

teams did not agree with the value.

41:58

Yeah, I think that maybe

42:00

people viewed him as a tweeter and they didn't quite

42:03

know where to put him. And like, honestly,

42:06

being a white cornerback, I honestly think that's

42:08

that's an issue, like Bomani Jones talks about it a lot, like

42:10

joking it's like white coaches let your athletes

42:12

stay at cornerback, they always end up moving him to safety.

42:14

They never end up getting a chance to stay and play

42:17

at safety, like this is a crazy athlete. But he

42:19

did show versatility and maybe just people

42:21

didn't quite like he didn't

42:23

fit the profile in they

42:25

saw him as a safety and a guy you move inside who

42:28

goes later. By the way, you share your opinion Dan with Bill

42:30

Barnwell who said he responded

42:32

to something I said about how he that like you,

42:35

you know, how he's done it again was trending

42:37

on Twitter, and he was like, as Mike Curse

42:39

with Alice, he could and I think he's basically saying

42:41

the same thing as you in a different way that I think he's

42:43

consistently a B plus GM

42:46

And when he's down, people

42:48

don't like him because he's sort of defending

42:50

him. But mostly when he's good, people are

42:53

mad at him because, like he points out, you know, the bad

42:55

picks like the Andre Dillard pick and the Jordan

42:57

Davis pick, which he got a lot of credit for. The keiey Ringo

42:59

pick last year Allequate, It's like he has plenty of missus

43:01

too.

43:02

He was not there. You mentioned it last week. He was hot

43:04

for Zach Wilson.

43:05

I mean, right right, you know

43:07

who's got to becoming the Eagles and just a quick

43:09

winner is the Lions. Like the

43:12

Lions secondary and the Lions confidence

43:14

like their hootspa right now that you

43:16

trade up for Arnold, that was a great pick Terry

43:18

and Arnold. And then you you stick

43:21

and you take another corner who

43:23

was by far the highest guy on the board for

43:26

Daniel Jeremiah's big board enis Rakestraw

43:28

Junior, and you just kind of take the value in between

43:31

those two guys in Carlton Davis. You've

43:33

really remade your your cornerback group.

43:35

And that's great.

43:36

But the thing that makes me realize like they're they're a little

43:38

getting high on their own supply in

43:40

a good way. They've been confident to take bold picks

43:42

is they traded a third round pick next

43:45

year to draft Giovanni

43:47

Manu, a player that was not

43:51

invited to the Scouting Combine, with pick one

43:54

six. So they paid a third next year for pick one twenty

43:56

six a three hundred and sixty pound

43:58

tackle from the universe of British Columbia.

44:01

And they they think it's like they're Jordan Mailatta

44:03

and that he wasn't gonna necessarily fall that

44:05

much further.

44:06

And that's great.

44:06

They have conviction about it and they

44:09

believe like they are the team to turnhim into gold.

44:11

But that that's a that's a gutsy pick to

44:13

trade a third for a guy.

44:15

That you know it was playing in Canada.

44:19

Mark, you got one I do, and it's it's

44:22

a player who's already in the league. And I think it's

44:24

Brock Party because we were in this forty

44:26

eight hour window where like I

44:29

think at the right, you know, situation have

44:31

been presented. Either Deebo Samuel

44:33

or Brandon Ayuk are not on the team anymore.

44:36

Instead they're both on the team. They're not going to get

44:38

traded, and you add Ricky Parasol. So

44:40

it's like you actually just added a weapon during

44:42

a weekend when you know, cap money,

44:44

whatever situations relationships could

44:46

have taken. Brock Purty in a very critical third

44:49

year with a Super Bowl window open, had taken

44:51

one of his biggest weapons away. So you know, some

44:53

of this stuff that we had talked about for

44:55

forty days, like Ayuk and Samuel

44:58

came up more recently. But it's like in

45:00

the end, like what the move that doesn't happen

45:02

could end up being the biggest move for one

45:05

of the best teams in the league.

45:06

Did you see Ayuk texted

45:08

the Niners maybe it was Lynch or Shanahan

45:11

after the pearce All pick. He's like that

45:14

pick was fire and not gonna lie. And

45:16

then I saw somebody on Twitter

45:18

pointed out, like that's like the that's a text

45:20

scent from a guy that feels confident.

45:22

He's not the guy that's going to be traded if a trade gets

45:24

made. Exactly.

45:25

He sent like an ig story too, like dancing

45:28

around this week and I think he is gonna get paid. But

45:30

Deebo spoke to Diana Ricini and

45:32

said the team.

45:35

He didn't say it that the team told him about possibly

45:38

trading him or not, but she asked

45:40

about the reports and he just said, I know what's going

45:42

on. It is what it is. I'm good

45:44

with staying with them. I'm chilling. And the way

45:46

the forty nine ers talked about it after

45:48

is I think they were probably open with him that like, hey,

45:50

we did have these conversations, and the way they

45:52

spoke publicly, it sounded like that door has closed

45:55

now and that they're all going to be there.

45:56

And so you're right, perty's a big winner. This

46:00

one's kind of tough to classify.

46:02

Uh,

46:06

Tony Khan, who's

46:08

the right man, the right hand man of Shod

46:10

Khan Jaguars owner.

46:14

First of all, I believe he's still

46:16

wearing the neck brace. Uh,

46:19

and that doesn't surprise me.

46:21

Let's start here today he was today. Yeah,

46:23

because when you suffer a neck injury and on a

46:26

on a pile driver still paddling this one,

46:31

it's not the idea that you're going

46:33

to get better in a day.

46:34

It might be months, it could be years.

46:36

So I hope, I hope Tony's okay,

46:40

because, uh, you know, despite

46:42

Greg following, you know, tens of thousands

46:44

of people that are wrestling fanatics,

46:48

you seem to not understand that the the the bumps

46:50

are very real.

46:51

Well, here here's another one that's on

46:56

the Pat McAfee show. He was

46:58

getting on Tony Kahan. He said, if you're gonna

47:00

wear the neck brace and sell it, stop

47:02

moving your neck around and walking around

47:04

as if you're not injured at all, Like while he's

47:06

wearing the neck brace, Tony khn is just looking around

47:08

and having a normal thing. So Pat McAfee of

47:11

Wrestling, you know, enthusiast

47:13

employee, was saying, you got

47:15

to sell the neck brace better.

47:16

See this is when and I was just throwing you flowers,

47:18

Greg for saying that you are part of the

47:20

illuminati of the NFL media sphere.

47:23

But now I'm gonna have to give it to you a little bit

47:25

the other way. You're you're coming off a little uninformed

47:28

because Tony Khan is

47:30

with I believe the ae W, which is a upstart.

47:33

I know that, but

47:35

it doesn't change the point. And let me

47:38

throw it to our own network. This was

47:40

wild Mike Aarrafolo and

47:43

Steve Wish with Tony Khan, uh

47:46

talking about all matters of not really

47:48

Jaguars, just kind of Tony Khan, which is part of

47:50

my greater point.

47:51

Let's listen in.

47:52

And we're up against a really evil juggernaut.

47:55

WWE is is our competitor,

47:58

that's who we're facing. AW like

48:00

the Pepsi of pro wrestling. Ww's like the

48:02

Harvey Weinstein of pro wrestling.

48:04

And I'm really proud of what we do

48:06

down here.

48:07

I think, all

48:10

right, toy, we're gonna figure hold on real quick,

48:12

real quick.

48:12

What's the prognosis. What are the doctors telling

48:14

you?

48:15

Well, uh, you know, to be honest, I think you're gonna

48:18

have to tune in to AW to find

48:20

out what they have to say.

48:25

Yeah, it was Mike Garriffalo and Steve Weiss

48:27

are friends with him.

48:29

Steve Weiss so uncomfortable

48:32

in that moment anytime Harvey want I don't think

48:34

Harvey Wantstein's name has ever been uttered on NFL

48:36

network in any capacity. So you see the on

48:39

live television, Steve the

48:41

bells going off there. So yeah,

48:44

that Pat McAfee is paid by Finzerickman.

48:46

So I'm just saying, like, obviously he's gonna be critical

48:48

of Tony Kahan and not try

48:51

to legitimize his injury, which seems very.

48:53

Possible that I think it was when

48:56

I watched Thank

48:59

you sir.

48:59

And and one last

49:01

thing, Mark, I want to throw to you on this. Now,

49:07

let's say for a second that it is all a work

49:09

right, and there's no neck injury and

49:11

it's just a promotional tool.

49:14

How does this make the Jaguars. Look, I don't

49:17

I'm not the like, I'm not the I

49:20

like fun stuff.

49:21

I love when people in football

49:23

don't take themselves too seriously.

49:25

There are on some levels limits.

49:27

And when he's in the war room with the neck brace

49:29

and then he's giving interviews and dropping Weinstein

49:32

on NFL network and like it

49:34

almost starts to feel like are we I

49:37

don't know, man?

49:38

Like, where were your thoughts? Mark?

49:40

Yeah, because I thought some of the more notable

49:42

images from the weekend were

49:44

when he's sitting there and I'm with Greg that there's

49:46

a lot of neck movement underneath that neck

49:48

brace, but you know he's turning

49:50

to better Yeah, he's turning to his

49:52

right, but to his right is Doug Peterson, former

49:55

NFL quarterback and head coach, A large

49:58

man who's you know, serious, is a very serious

50:00

pivot point in.

50:01

The organization careers on the industry.

50:03

Yeah, and you got Trent Balki, who's you know, trying to

50:05

mend fences after you know what happened to him

50:07

in a press conference a couple of days ago. And

50:10

it's like the looks on their faces

50:12

were my favorite part of the draft on one level, because

50:14

it's like wait a minute, what's going on with this? Like the

50:17

son of the owner in a neck bracett and we've had him on the show

50:19

and he's entertaining, and like, I think it's

50:21

all for sport on some level, I'm not sure

50:23

of the accuracy of the injuries injury based

50:26

on the industry that he's trying

50:28

to apply to us. I'd tend to write side

50:30

with Greg that it's not accurate

50:32

for his vanity project, which is this wrestling

50:35

federation. It's gold obviously, right,

50:37

but it almost kind of overshadowed

50:40

everything the Jaguars were doing.

50:42

It just that felt tonally.

50:44

I would think maybe a little off amongst

50:46

Jaguars fans, at the very least Jags fans.

50:48

Let us know, I would point out that, you know,

50:50

we're only a couple of years removed from

50:53

Mike Rabel's teenage or

50:55

twenty something year old son during the

50:57

Corona Draft dressing

50:59

in a full body one

51:01

onesie.

51:02

Uh.

51:02

That was quite revealing and strange. And

51:04

that happened on national television too, So

51:07

mhmm. Was that during COVID, Yes,

51:09

it was like going in COVID. Yeah, right,

51:12

Maybe Maybeck's.

51:13

Dog was taking picks, you know, he drafted

51:16

Taekwon Thornton.

51:16

I believe I have one less

51:19

loser, and then I'm gonna throw to you guys for your last

51:21

ones, and then we're we got to get to our sandwich props.

51:24

And this this one's quite serious. We're just having

51:26

a little bit of fun. But this

51:28

is serious. I feel weird even saying

51:30

it, because I've been, you

51:33

know, a phociferous defender

51:35

of this individual, which a lot of people have found ironic.

51:38

But uh so it's gonna be misleading.

51:40

It first or seemed that way Bill Belichick

51:42

was a loser, And I don't like I don't like it.

51:45

I don't like anything about it,

51:47

Like because I think that you

51:50

guys did this to him.

51:53

And I point to everyone. You put him on a

51:55

television set this weekend with a fake

51:57

mel Kiper. You have

51:59

him asking Adam Peters questions about

52:02

his day two draft plans, like

52:06

ask Bill Belichick at so what do you think.

52:08

You're gonna do tomorrow? You want to tell us?

52:10

You know, the exact type of inane in Sepid

52:13

Burris that Belichick would dismiss in

52:16

his heyday. I believe

52:18

this is crass, This is beneath him.

52:21

This is tragic. Theater is what it

52:24

is. Is this

52:26

what you meant when you said the greatest coach of

52:28

all time needs

52:30

to take a year off to better understand

52:32

the modern game?

52:34

Does this tap dancing entertain

52:37

you?

52:38

Because I see a legendary figure in our game

52:40

debasing himself at the altar of

52:42

lazy group. Think stay in

52:44

the picture, they say, show a different side

52:46

of yourself, smile or

52:49

else. Imagine putting Vince Lombardi through these

52:52

same paces. Imagine asking Bear

52:54

Bryant to sing for his supper game

52:56

on you.

52:57

Shame on all of you.

53:02

I mean, I love what you said

53:04

there, but for on

53:07

Saturday morning, like, I

53:09

went back and watched about

53:12

two and a half three hours of of

53:14

that Belichick performance, and you are right

53:17

that it was. It was a bit of there were a lot of antics

53:19

on that set, and at times he seemed

53:21

a little disembodied from it. But I

53:24

thought in a in a different way,

53:26

it helped Bill Belichick because

53:28

he was awesome in his analysis.

53:31

And I thought he looked up to

53:33

Pat McAfee and gave McAfee

53:36

his correct spot on that show doing

53:38

it for the first time.

53:39

So I I see where you're coming from.

53:41

But like, I thought Belichick kind of

53:43

shot he he shone bright. I thought he

53:45

did a wonderful job in a

53:47

tough setting though, because it's not it

53:49

was weird to have Belichick sit there

53:51

and have to like, it's not unlike, you know, a

53:54

young boy in a neck.

53:54

Brace with the coach two feet

53:57

away.

53:57

It was like he's having to deal with the like these

53:59

set and best mel Kuiper parador

54:02

out there on the scene so real.

54:05

But are you referring to Frank Caliendo is number

54:08

one? Well, I think Joey.

54:10

Joey does the best mel Kuiper

54:12

for my money, Like, I love Joey Mullinaro.

54:14

I think his last name is but he's Oh he

54:16

called his first name alone. That was pretty good.

54:19

Well, he's he does all sorts of stuff, but he's he's

54:21

a in a way, mel

54:23

Kuiper's a winner. You're on your own network and people are

54:25

like, you know, trying

54:27

to do impressions of you on your own network.

54:30

I thought that was kind of like mel Kiper fanboy

54:32

session.

54:33

Go ahead.

54:33

You know, we're a show that that appreciates

54:36

the lighter side of the game. We can get a little wacky.

54:39

The fact that Belichick could do that. I think

54:41

it's great. And look, those breakdowns

54:43

were serious. Not no other broadcast is

54:45

gonna let Bill Belichick just go

54:48

for three and a half minutes on every prospect

54:50

like I've been trained to watch these

54:52

broadcasts and just TV in general. That

54:55

Like, once he got through about forty five seconds

54:57

to a minute of it, I was like, oh wow, this

54:59

is going on.

55:00

In a while.

55:00

It was going on and going on, but it was cool. It's

55:02

cool to hear a Belichick like he if you were dorky

55:05

enough to just want to hear him dive deep

55:07

on all these players, like they gave him the runway

55:09

to do it. I'm sure they gave him a massive bag of

55:11

cash. So I don't feel bad for him. He seemed

55:13

to be having fun and there was

55:15

some bad you know, let's call it for what it

55:17

is. Not every editorial decision

55:20

we've ever made his work, Not every bit we've ever

55:22

made is great, Like the fake

55:24

belt Kiper was a disastrous idea, just.

55:27

Like not good, not funny.

55:30

There's a song by the Who called behind

55:32

blue Eyes, and I

55:34

guess while everybody saw Bill tap

55:36

dancing, there was I was looking behind those blue

55:39

eyes and I saw a guy in his own prison

55:41

that could not believe he wasn't in a war room

55:44

trying to find a way to win yet

55:46

another Lombardi Trophy. And I'll stand

55:48

on that having fun. I'll

55:50

stand on it all

55:54

right, guys, what do you got before we move

55:56

on?

55:57

I have so much I'm gonna go. I'll stand

55:59

on it.

56:00

I'm gonna go speed round winners,

56:02

speed round, and I'm gonna do a loser speed Round two after

56:04

Mark I.

56:05

Don't care singing for his supper. Cardinals

56:09

hope.

56:09

At seven picks in the top ninety, they're the first

56:11

team since the nineteen ninety one Cowboys

56:14

to have that many picks. They quietly had

56:16

a really solid

56:18

I would say B plus a minus considering where the

56:20

picks were last year in terms of their rookie class four

56:23

like real contributors. Seven picks,

56:25

I don't know if they're all going to work or not, Like I'm not going to break

56:27

down, like if Darius Robinson is Day

56:29

one great player,

56:32

but Marvin Harrison Junior adds juice

56:34

and like just a lot of guys in the top three, so there's

56:36

a lot of hope. I like the Packers

56:38

always take guys that like

56:41

don't have a lot of poppets, meat and potatoes, but they

56:43

end up playing right away. Jordan Morgan's gonna play right

56:45

away. Their offensive lineman, their linebacker, Edern

56:47

Cooper second round probably plays right well. They had another

56:49

second round pick at safety, Javon Builder, probably

56:52

going to play right away.

56:53

Marshall Lloyd. I liked him.

56:54

He was DJ's top running back.

56:57

He's a little buried at that position, but he'll play eventually.

56:59

And then they make the pick of the draft. I don't know how

57:01

Michael Pratt from two Lane fell this far. He

57:04

changed the entire program. Maybe the greatest player

57:06

in the history of the program

57:09

and a legit quarterback. I will

57:11

put sandwiches on it that he will

57:13

outlast at least one

57:15

of these first round quarterbacks in

57:17

the NFL. That he's going to have like a ten year

57:20

plus career. I get

57:22

why he doesn't have a big arm, like maybe

57:24

there was medical stuff. I'm shocked he fell

57:26

to the seventh round, but at least a team that knows

57:28

quarterbacks will picked him up, so that all around,

57:30

I think a nice meat and potatoes draft by the Packers.

57:33

I thought that's that's what they needed right Like, this

57:35

is a team that's really loading up now

57:37

and they're they're ready to make a real attack.

57:39

In the NFC.

57:40

You don't need to take big swings, just continue

57:43

to build the roster in a sensible way.

57:45

Yeah, I think there running back Like their running back stable

57:47

looks really interesting.

57:48

Right now.

57:48

I'm going to give you a TBD because

57:51

there are open questions about this

57:53

team. But you you mentioned

57:55

the Cardinals, and I'm with you. They were there's a

57:57

whole different feeling around them. They had

58:00

eight picks at one point when the Browns

58:02

had made only two. And the

58:05

one thing that did pass with the

58:07

ending of the seventh round is that from

58:09

a draft pick angle, not

58:11

a money angle, we get that, but from a draft pick

58:13

angle, the Browns are free

58:16

of the Deshaun Watson trade. And

58:18

I give I think Andrew Berry is a winner

58:22

outside of the Deshaun Watson situation,

58:24

that through these seasons where

58:26

they've been hamstrung without first round

58:28

picks, that they've had good drafts.

58:30

And I think that they took.

58:32

A defensive tackle Michael Hall out of Ohio

58:34

State, who's got a lot of upside. They

58:36

took a guard out of Zach Zinter

58:38

out of Michigan, who looks like a badass to me.

58:41

But then they had no fourth round pick, and then they're picking

58:43

a bunch in the sixth and seventh round, and it's like the

58:46

cost comes home at some point, not only for Deshaun

58:48

Watson's contract, but the fact that you're one

58:50

of the You're you're one of the few teams in the league

58:53

that, for seasons in a row, cannot build

58:55

through the draft correctly. And I think

58:58

Barry's done a good job navigating that and agency

59:00

and through the draft itself. But I

59:02

still wonder if this is one of the biggest

59:05

mistakes an organization

59:07

that has a lot of mistakes.

59:08

On its resume has ever made.

59:10

And a lot has to happen this season with that quarterback

59:13

for people to feel differently about them. There's

59:15

some weird stuff going on with with with the whole experience,

59:18

But from a draft angle, it was it was

59:20

it was it's not fun to follow

59:22

a team that has nothing going on in the draft, and

59:24

the reason for it isn't because of something

59:27

that you can really get behind.

59:28

Well, especially on a weekend where you're watching like

59:31

the Steelers, I

59:33

think they've added a lot of good draft picks over

59:35

the like they sneak you out a great draft last year.

59:38

They added two offensive linemen early too,

59:40

that I happen to like higher than others. They take

59:42

Peyton Wilson, this linebacker in Roman Wilson

59:44

like another good mid round, and it's like you're watching the other

59:46

guys in your division add quality

59:49

players. Whether the Browns have been sitting it out for

59:51

a couple of years.

59:51

Correctly, it's over. Though, here's the good news.

59:54

The at least from this portion

59:56

in the NFL calendar, it's over. The

59:58

draft compensation is all

1:00:01

rolled through with the Texans

1:00:03

and Browns. Now you just have

1:00:06

the quite messy issue of Deshaun Watson

1:00:08

himself, who is entering year three now.

1:00:11

And the idea was we could We're gonna

1:00:13

able to stomach these couple

1:00:15

of drafts of just being wiped out because we got

1:00:17

this guy that was going to be warts and all

1:00:19

a franchise star at quarterback, and

1:00:22

he hasn't been. He's been an injury riddled

1:00:24

mess, and he's been inconsistent when he's been on the

1:00:26

field. So yeah, I think where

1:00:29

things stand right now, if things don't change,

1:00:31

I think it becomes the worst trade of all time,

1:00:34

and he's off to a huge head start.

1:00:36

The Browns are in that race.

1:00:40

All right, One more speed round here, yes,

1:00:42

winner Drake may next

1:00:45

five picks after him were all offense. They

1:00:47

didn't mess around, including two receivers.

1:00:50

Jase. I love when teams do that.

1:00:51

One of my favorite draft tropes, team

1:00:53

that needs needs doesn't

1:00:55

actually do the best player available. They just say,

1:00:58

we are only drafting one side of the ball. It's

1:01:00

a little dunderheaded, but also I love

1:01:02

it. It makes sense as well.

1:01:03

Yeah, Drod Mayo was like, we feel pretty good about

1:01:05

our defense. So they added receivers and they added offensive

1:01:07

line. The Rams are just like a

1:01:09

tougher team. They add your guy Blake Korum

1:01:11

in terms of in the running game, and then they

1:01:14

pair their first round pick with another

1:01:16

Florida State kind of run stopper.

1:01:18

So it's just like better on the run on both sides

1:01:20

of the ball. Brian Flora's sneaky winner. They've really added

1:01:23

a lot on their defense all offseason, Like

1:01:25

he was kind of playing without really a full

1:01:27

deck last year.

1:01:28

Aidan O'Connell winner.

1:01:30

Somehow they didn't draft a quarterback, and

1:01:32

I do not believe in any world where Gardner

1:01:34

Minshew starts seventeen games, So Aidan O'Connell

1:01:37

will be back in our lives, wouldn't surprise Maybe plays

1:01:39

quite about loser Saints

1:01:42

fans who have to be worried about Marsha and Lattimore

1:01:44

getting traded again because they drafted

1:01:46

a cornerback high although you know it's a good pick, Coolian

1:01:48

McKinstry. And then I thought the bear, you

1:01:50

know bear, I mean the Bills taking Keyon

1:01:53

Coleman with the first pick of the second round. They just

1:01:55

have a bunch of guys who all win over the middle

1:01:57

of the field, Like he looks like a slot receiver, and

1:01:59

can is that, and Shakier's that, and Samuel's

1:02:02

that, and that would be a good spot for obj

1:02:06

Darren Waller's chances of returning. That's a

1:02:08

loser. They drafted a tight end. It really

1:02:10

seems like he is going to retire. And then

1:02:12

people who drafted Devin h Chan in way

1:02:15

too early fantasy leagues loser

1:02:17

because they drafted yet another speed demon

1:02:20

at running back, Jalen Wright in Miami.

1:02:23

Drafting fantasy teams in like

1:02:25

late April. What's this? They're crazy? These best ball

1:02:28

leagues. I don't know. People are talking about like average

1:02:30

draft positions. I don't know.

1:02:31

They just can't stop doing it. I don't know

1:02:33

what it is best ball leagues.

1:02:34

I believe.

1:02:35

I hope everything's okay with Darren Waller because

1:02:37

not only has

1:02:39

he, you know, having this moment where

1:02:42

it looks like he's ending his NFL career, I saw a

1:02:44

report out there that he like suddenly ended his marriage

1:02:46

or it seems to be a lot going on with Darren

1:02:48

Waller, guy who's had issues in his past in

1:02:50

terms of his personal life. So it

1:02:52

looks like the Giants are ready to move on and that was

1:02:55

not a good trade either. All

1:02:57

right, let's take one more break. We come back

1:02:59

and we're gonna do some Go

1:03:01

get my lunch recaps. Stay right there. All

1:03:08

right, we are back. Let's close

1:03:10

this thing up. Let's let's empty out. We had a

1:03:13

the mods and ends. Just from the draft. There

1:03:15

was a

1:03:17

a fan, a super fan. I feel

1:03:19

like there's a good chance he listens to the show.

1:03:22

Mark if we could get his name, because

1:03:24

our international listenership is

1:03:27

strong. He got to announce a Panthers

1:03:30

pick in the draft

1:03:32

from Detroit. Let's let's listen to how

1:03:34

we ended that.

1:03:36

God and Talk Detroit from Germany were

1:03:39

so one not at.

1:03:40

First pick in a twenty twenty four

1:03:42

NFL draft, see Carolina Panther

1:03:44

select Chatavian sand

1:03:46

Us tight in Texas.

1:03:48

Keep poning. I

1:03:51

mean, I just love that guy, love everything about him.

1:03:53

Yeah, love him too.

1:03:55

And I love that as a nice

1:03:57

supplemental key pounding drop

1:03:59

for the show going forward.

1:04:02

I also have Brandon Graham.

1:04:04

I love I love teams hating

1:04:06

each other. I love like division rivals,

1:04:08

just like talking ish

1:04:11

because they don't they have an opportunity

1:04:13

to and they and they don't care if it's going

1:04:15

to be offensive. Here's Brandon Graham announcing

1:04:18

a pick in Detroit.

1:04:20

Hey, hey, hey gee,

1:04:22

oh hey, yes he goes

1:04:26

And y'all already know all

1:04:28

day Dallas sucks all

1:04:31

day.

1:04:32

Let's go, let's

1:04:34

go. I

1:04:38

like it. I always enjoy it. And Greg,

1:04:40

you have one as well. I do.

1:04:42

C J.

1:04:42

Stroud uh is a revelation,

1:04:45

incredible analysis on a

1:04:48

like live first round reaction show

1:04:50

for Bleacher Report was hosted by Adam

1:04:53

Lefko, who I got a chance to meet once. Like great guy

1:04:55

like CJ. Stroud seems like an incredible football

1:04:57

analyst. He was breaking down like the Ricky Pierson

1:05:00

pick, wishing why he had it and just explain all this

1:05:02

stuff. But I especially liked when

1:05:04

he was not afraid to confront

1:05:06

another analyst on the desk

1:05:09

there, which was Micah Parsons, talking about

1:05:11

the best division in the league.

1:05:13

Everyone's a playoff team, ANFC North

1:05:15

was the best division in football. Washington

1:05:18

was argued that Washington wasn't nothing, But

1:05:20

what are you talking about? That meant the Giants

1:05:22

Giants either, what are you talking about They lost

1:05:24

to the Eagles.

1:05:25

That's two years ago.

1:05:26

Yeah, but I'm saying going into it, Sam, you don't

1:05:28

know what you're talking about. Going into last year, no one

1:05:30

up planning except for Michael Parsons thought

1:05:33

the NFC East was better

1:05:35

than the ANFC North. You can't argue that.

1:05:37

I can bro oh,

1:05:40

I love it.

1:05:41

And that was just like a snippet that went on for about

1:05:44

a minute forty five and he just filayed him.

1:05:46

And in Parsons defense, he was talking about like

1:05:48

going into last season, but he was

1:05:50

he was off base and that was

1:05:52

on point.

1:05:53

With all this stuff.

1:05:54

You can tell how much that that guy

1:05:56

knows ball and loves ball.

1:05:57

Well, also thing also what I love about him is he Michael

1:06:00

Parsons is an incredible player, but there

1:06:02

was like absolutely zero willingness

1:06:05

to play ball with his comments. And it's like Stroud

1:06:08

reminds me of like my son Calton

1:06:10

is like a huge soccer fan and a soccer player.

1:06:12

And if you if you bring the wrong take or mention

1:06:15

the wrong players, just like no dismissed. You're

1:06:17

wrong, You're completely wrong, and it's just like I love

1:06:19

it. So I totally think he was on point

1:06:21

and like big loser the C two tests

1:06:23

that a year ago, we're telling us that, you know, CJ.

1:06:26

Stroud didn't have the acumen or the wherewith

1:06:28

all to lead an NFL team.

1:06:29

It's like seculator test. Well

1:06:32

you it should be.

1:06:33

Note I haven't heard much at all about that

1:06:35

in this draft process so.

1:06:36

Much a change to the C two test. It was the S

1:06:38

two test. I believe, well S two I

1:06:41

can't even remember, but you're right.

1:06:42

I would come up one time this year. It's dead.

1:06:45

It's dead. They took a dirt.

1:06:46

Nap while we're on sun

1:06:48

Corner here before we

1:06:50

started recording. Today we

1:06:52

have the Royals, the

1:06:55

Double A Royals that my son

1:06:58

plays on. I'm one of the coaches on the team

1:07:00

and we were a little shorthanded getting

1:07:02

warmed up, so I jogged over

1:07:04

there. It's only a block away from the house, and

1:07:07

thank you guys for bearing with me during that. So

1:07:10

I got the team ready for

1:07:13

the game, and then my son Harrison was

1:07:15

starting on the mound, so I was like, all right,

1:07:17

I gotta watch. I gotta watch the first half inning. And

1:07:21

I don't know, I don't know where he gets it. I can't

1:07:23

imagine where he gets like this maniacal

1:07:26

competitive streak in him. But he

1:07:29

struck out the side for starters, So good

1:07:31

job by you, Harry in a big spot. But

1:07:34

also the other team that we were playing,

1:07:36

the Expos, who somehow the Expos are

1:07:39

in this league, They're.

1:07:40

Not the Nationals. The

1:07:42

team was chanting.

1:07:43

They were doing a chant from the imposing dugout

1:07:45

that went Pitcher, Pitcher, look at me, I'm a

1:07:47

monkey in a tree. And I

1:07:49

kept on seeing Harrison kind of his eyes

1:07:51

darting over. He didn't like that they were making

1:07:54

doing that chant. And

1:07:56

after he struck out the third batter,

1:07:59

this is a memory that will stay with me forever. He

1:08:02

walks off the mound, just staring at

1:08:04

the dugout as the opposing team

1:08:06

to the point where he starts just

1:08:08

backpedaling back towards our dugout,

1:08:11

staring at them at the striking out the side,

1:08:13

no smile, dead eyed like

1:08:16

like Max Scherzer like. It was

1:08:18

an incredible moment that showed

1:08:22

that he might be as nuts

1:08:24

as his dad, and I love him for it. Shout

1:08:26

out to Harry, my

1:08:29

co coach, Jeff Grundel, and the rest of

1:08:31

the staff. We are We've been fighting

1:08:33

through it this year, but that was a nice moment. You shut

1:08:35

that other team up. That's what I like.

1:08:36

Maybe it's like a young Albert Bell in the making.

1:08:39

That would be wonderful.

1:08:40

I'm a big Bell. I'm a big celebrations

1:08:43

guy. You know.

1:08:44

I'm always loving the celebrations and it is

1:08:46

fun. And I feel like Walker

1:08:49

played his basketball game today. And there is a fine

1:08:51

line of like when do you get

1:08:53

too old to be Because if

1:08:55

they hit like a couple of shots early, like

1:08:57

some of the players you know in the

1:09:00

eight ten ages, like oh,

1:09:02

they're going to show the other team up. They're gonna do a little

1:09:04

they're gonna do some celebration. They're gonna do some dancing.

1:09:07

At some point that the other team is going.

1:09:09

You know that other team might come come

1:09:11

charge Jack, who knows at some point like you have

1:09:14

to maybe die right back. But it's fun to

1:09:16

watch little kids do that.

1:09:17

I would not I would not pick against Jack,

1:09:19

even if nine kids ran at him. If if

1:09:21

he is fired up, he's got a he's got

1:09:23

a wonderful temper on him. It's

1:09:25

the one thing a difference between when we were eight,

1:09:29

nine, ten and kids now

1:09:31

they all know how to dance, right because

1:09:33

they all like play Fortnite and stuff, and they have like

1:09:36

they're all like Fred Astaire.

1:09:37

Now, it's absurd.

1:09:38

So I can imagine, especially in basketball,

1:09:41

if you hit it an eighteen footer and you're ten,

1:09:44

you're going to be doing something you completely

1:09:47

elaborate. All

1:09:49

right, doll, we

1:09:51

turn our attention to the annual

1:09:53

game of Chance

1:09:55

Skill.

1:09:57

Go get my lunch.

1:09:59

Nothing, pitcher,

1:10:03

Pitcher, Look at me, I'm a monkey in a

1:10:05

tree.

1:10:06

Unbelievable. All

1:10:08

right.

1:10:09

This year we had some

1:10:11

success, but as

1:10:14

usual, not a not a ton overall.

1:10:17

Let's start with Mark

1:10:19

Sessler. Mark, you did

1:10:22

not hit on a

1:10:24

prop this year. Let's go through them. Eagles

1:10:26

select Jeremiah Trotter Junior.

1:10:29

And this is I feel like Mark,

1:10:31

we tried to warn you on

1:10:33

this, like they don't have to make it two

1:10:35

parts. We can't give you credit for

1:10:38

having half. This is not horseshoes,

1:10:40

this is not hand grenades. Because you also added

1:10:43

and the chargers select Blake Korum, who

1:10:46

did go to Sofi Stadium but

1:10:48

to the Rams.

1:10:49

Well I did.

1:10:49

I did, Like you know, I went in knowing

1:10:52

this is hyper specific and that I

1:10:54

would pay the price. I still felt I'm

1:10:56

not saying it from a sandwich angle, but when

1:10:59

Trotter went to the Eagle, I felt

1:11:01

good about that because it was

1:11:03

it came from instinct and also a little bit

1:11:05

of, you know, listening to some whispers.

1:11:07

So there you go. You deserve

1:11:10

to be happy with yourself. That's good.

1:11:12

You've done it two years in a row, Porter,

1:11:14

last year Trotter. It's a thing, especially

1:11:16

in like day three when teams are if

1:11:19

they're kind of stuck between son

1:11:21

of Franchise Legend and Joe

1:11:23

Blow, they're probably gonna take the Legends, just smart

1:11:25

thinking you just went too

1:11:27

hard, you went too specific, But you know, maybe

1:11:29

next year.

1:11:30

You didn't know Sean McVay was gonna sweep

1:11:32

in and annoyed Jim Harbor and annoy Kirien

1:11:34

Williams's fantasy owners.

1:11:37

Next year, the Cowboys select a quarterback

1:11:39

within the first two rounds.

1:11:41

This was saucy. We took you on it.

1:11:43

They ended up taking what I believe a

1:11:45

tackle and a defensive

1:11:47

lineman.

1:11:48

Was it. Yeah? Did they take a quarterback

1:11:50

period? I don't think so. I don't

1:11:53

believe so.

1:11:53

I was kind of hoping they would be a spot

1:11:55

for my guy Pratt in the later rounds.

1:11:58

It didn't happen. You know, they got Trail their quarterback

1:12:00

of the future. Oh my goodness. Let's see.

1:12:02

They took Geiton the tackle out of Oklahoma, kneel

1:12:05

in the edge, Cooper

1:12:07

bbe guard.

1:12:09

They did not take a quarterback.

1:12:12

They didn't take a quarterback. All right, up

1:12:16

next White

1:12:18

a third one.

1:12:19

There.

1:12:19

I believe a major non sports related

1:12:22

news story takes quote wholesale

1:12:24

precedence close quote over

1:12:26

the draft. There is a lot of There

1:12:29

are a lot of important issues

1:12:32

going on in the world right now, a

1:12:34

lot of troubling stories out there. I believe

1:12:37

the Republican

1:12:41

presidential nominee is currently

1:12:43

on trial, for instance, there's just stuff going

1:12:45

on. But no, nothing seemed

1:12:48

to pop up over the last three days.

1:12:50

No, I think I might retire that personal

1:12:53

flavor of like major

1:12:55

news story overtakes what we're attempting

1:12:57

to do with our work, because it doesn't seem to ever

1:13:00

occur.

1:13:01

It's gonna have one of these one

1:13:03

of these years, and then you'll be you'll be sad

1:13:05

you didn't.

1:13:07

All right, Greg, So you went over

1:13:10

three Greg four nine overall,

1:13:12

according to go get my Lunch dot org. Yeah,

1:13:14

with all the takes and non takes.

1:13:16

Uh, you'd say Patriots select

1:13:18

Drake May was this

1:13:20

did you do this on Monday?

1:13:21

Or is this an older one? We

1:13:24

did it on Monday?

1:13:25

Right, yeah, No, but I mean this one I

1:13:27

don't remember this. Oh yeah, that's you said you're gonna go

1:13:29

straightforward with it. That was very chalky.

1:13:31

In fact, only Mark took you on it. I did

1:13:33

not take you. So you make one saying.

1:13:36

Throughout the process he was plus money,

1:13:38

like less than fifty to fifty to go.

1:13:40

Third, people just thought, I don't

1:13:42

know what they thought like that exactly

1:13:44

to the Patriots, even as late as Monday. It's

1:13:47

funny that that by the time we got to Wednesday.

1:13:49

Then it was totally expected.

1:13:50

Why did I take you on that one in my own mock

1:13:52

draft, which I, you know, in theory,

1:13:54

believed and had him going to the Patriots.

1:13:57

Absurd. Yeah, that was a tough one. That's

1:13:59

a bad beat.

1:14:00

Also a bad beat the owner of

1:14:02

the Cowboys letting every team in the

1:14:04

league know, you better go get Jonathan Brooks

1:14:06

because we're in love with him and we're going to take

1:14:09

him in the second round to the draft. So

1:14:11

the Cowboys select Jonathan Brooks with pick number

1:14:14

fifty six. He went about

1:14:16

ten picks before when the Panthers

1:14:18

traded up. Your thinking

1:14:20

was very sound to Greg. In

1:14:22

fact, Jera's speech monologue,

1:14:26

while misguided, makes you look

1:14:28

good because it tells you that that's exactly

1:14:31

what they're thinking. However, it costs

1:14:33

you sangwiches and a big spot two sandwiches down.

1:14:36

I think only.

1:14:37

Two running backs got taken in

1:14:39

the first three rounds,

1:14:41

like that was Brooks mid two, Trey Benson

1:14:43

went early three, and that was

1:14:45

it to the Cardinals.

1:14:47

And this one, Mark, We're gonna have to

1:14:49

kind of just dissect this one a little bit because there's

1:14:52

elements of it that are straightforward and we're

1:14:54

all having fun.

1:14:55

It's just a game.

1:14:55

And then there's some more troubling

1:14:58

aspects to this jers

1:15:01

on Johnny Newton is selected within

1:15:03

the first thirty one picks. That

1:15:06

was a sandwich prop that Greg put out there.

1:15:08

He really loved this defender,

1:15:11

and Dan and

1:15:13

Mark took him on it, and we were kind

1:15:15

of caught off guard

1:15:17

by.

1:15:18

The Newton prediction.

1:15:20

And here was an

1:15:22

explanation from Ian Rappaport on

1:15:25

Friday, why Newton fell out of the

1:15:27

first round. Let's start here, which cost

1:15:29

Greg the sandwiches.

1:15:31

Johnny Newton considered by many

1:15:33

to be a first round talent.

1:15:35

So that does a guy like that follow the second round?

1:15:37

Still dealing with the effects of a Joneses

1:15:39

fracture at surgery in January.

1:15:42

He's got any medical red flags? Got

1:15:44

any off the field issues?

1:15:45

No?

1:15:46

No, no, Well

1:15:51

wait a minute, though we talked, you mentioned

1:15:53

the Jones fracture. You and I dug

1:15:55

in on our laptops after we

1:15:57

didn't remember we wanted to go do our own homework. I

1:16:00

was after after that, and uh,

1:16:03

what is the suggestion that we take this off the board?

1:16:06

Maybe a plane fast and loose.

1:16:10

What I'm trying to say is, first

1:16:13

of all, it was a rain maker too, So you're costing

1:16:15

people money and you're you're costing Susie braces.

1:16:18

But you also threw out that prop

1:16:21

and when we asked you

1:16:24

if there were any medical

1:16:26

red flags, you told us no. So

1:16:28

you've fed us erroneous information. But

1:16:31

I just want to say, like, that's that's

1:16:33

a little bit dirty pool on

1:16:36

top of everything else.

1:16:37

I agree, but I

1:16:40

fed you erroneous information that hurt me.

1:16:43

I made it more likely that you

1:16:45

wouldn't take it what I clearly

1:16:47

was operating from a position of ignorance

1:16:50

about his foot injury, or else I wouldn't have done

1:16:52

the thing in the first place. I mean, you're you're

1:16:54

correct to point out I was an idiot, but I was not

1:16:56

being a devious idiot. I made

1:16:59

I put myself in You think I would have gotten I

1:17:02

think I would have gone that pick. I just watched the tape and

1:17:04

I was like, this guy's a top ten pick.

1:17:06

When Mark and I are trying to

1:17:09

decide whether to take you on the idea

1:17:11

of him going top thirty one, yeah,

1:17:15

if he does have a red flag medically,

1:17:17

yeah, that's gonna make Mark and I more

1:17:19

confident that will

1:17:22

take you on the wager. Yeah, so it

1:17:25

did take him on it you almost only

1:17:27

after Mark and I did some research on

1:17:29

the fly. But if we would have as I

1:17:31

typically do with what you say, Greg,

1:17:34

by your word, we

1:17:36

would have been caught sandwiches and

1:17:38

we would have been misled. And

1:17:41

I think there's something else going on here, potentially.

1:17:44

The worst aspect to it is then you have

1:17:46

to start to you know, dial back through

1:17:48

time this in fact, this very episode,

1:17:51

and wonder what Greg has said about

1:17:54

anything. It's like, do we have

1:17:56

to go do our own research on when he picks a winner

1:17:58

or a loser? We have to, we should, but to go,

1:18:00

you know, check those facts too, Greg.

1:18:02

So it's a troubling this is Heiser

1:18:05

SoSE stuff going on here.

1:18:07

I mean, I own up to my mistakes.

1:18:11

This was a space.

1:18:12

I think I knew that at some point and somehow it

1:18:14

was totally gone. I would not have put

1:18:17

h you know, little Ali

1:18:20

in uh Worcestershire, in

1:18:22

England's Christmas gift

1:18:26

on the line if I had known about that necessarily.

1:18:29

But I still can't believe it. And in history's

1:18:31

gonna prove me right. All the NFL teams

1:18:33

are wrong. Johnny Newton's gonna

1:18:35

have.

1:18:35

A great career. How did you let this guy

1:18:38

go?

1:18:38

You finished six and six winnu factor

1:18:41

in all the sanguages with one right. Finally,

1:18:43

I almost had one of the all time sandwich weekends.

1:18:47

Let's start with almost first

1:18:49

round selection under I said, I thought

1:18:51

it would be QBQBQB wide receiver,

1:18:53

wide receiver, wide receiver tackle. It

1:18:55

ended up being QBQBQB wide

1:18:58

receiver tackle, wide receiver tackle. So

1:19:00

was Jim Harbaugh.

1:19:02

And then Chargers.

1:19:03

Yeah, one off not trading out of the

1:19:05

pick, and then a team or not picking

1:19:08

a wide receiver, or team trade again and

1:19:10

taking a wide receiver.

1:19:11

That ultimately cost me.

1:19:11

So I got six out of seven,

1:19:14

but I had to get them all, so I cost me two sangwiches.

1:19:17

I had the Chiefs trade up for a wide

1:19:19

receiver.

1:19:19

They did, They indeed did

1:19:21

do that and took an Xavier

1:19:24

Worthy and that trade.

1:19:27

In my mind I kind of saw I saw them

1:19:29

moving up to you know, the middle of the

1:19:31

first round, or even getting really bold and moving up

1:19:33

into the top ten. But they

1:19:35

only moved up a few spots. But it was within

1:19:37

the realm of the wager and they went and they got

1:19:40

their man. So I got two Sangwiches there. A

1:19:43

Pro Bowl player Slash All Pro Slash

1:19:45

All PFF team player is

1:19:48

traded prior to midnight Friday, April

1:19:51

twenty sixth, twenty twenty

1:19:53

four. You know that the

1:19:55

San Francisco forty nine ers stuff was

1:19:58

very interesting, but I also I should

1:20:00

have kept it open for the entire draft process.

1:20:02

It wouldn't have mattered anyway, but nothing

1:20:04

was done by the end of Night one, so I

1:20:06

lost two Sangwiches. And then at

1:20:09

the end of our Thursday podcast when

1:20:11

we recapped Night one, I actually or

1:20:13

excuse me, I had one extra one Detroit

1:20:17

Drafts a player present at the draft.

1:20:20

I said, there's no way, given the amount of people

1:20:23

that were going to be there, the celebration that the Lions

1:20:25

were going to, you know, throw it to someone's

1:20:28

living room in Central Arkansas.

1:20:31

And I was proven absolutely correct because

1:20:35

they made who they picking that Arrian,

1:20:37

Arnold, Terry and Arnold and

1:20:39

he walked and the Lions fans went mad

1:20:41

and we had a great moment for everyone

1:20:44

there, and I got two Sanguiges there.

1:20:47

That is an example of you

1:20:49

know, people can pick apart what we

1:20:51

get right or wrong here there, But that is an example

1:20:53

of you having a hand on the

1:20:55

pulse of not only

1:20:57

the league, but how show business works and how

1:20:59

you So this was the biggest crowd ever, live

1:21:02

live crowd ever. Detroit can

1:21:05

can own that, and there's no way

1:21:07

you disappoint the biggest crowd ever. And you were

1:21:09

absolutely correct about that in a well

1:21:11

done that was.

1:21:12

That was pretty savvy.

1:21:13

And they needed a little luck for Arnold to drop

1:21:15

down. I guess they could have taken Darius Robinson. My guess

1:21:18

is by the time they and they traded up

1:21:20

for that pick, I think there were only two

1:21:22

players left him and Darius

1:21:24

Robinson. But maybe maybe they just would have just

1:21:27

for showman's sake, taken Robinson. No matter

1:21:29

what, that that is an impressive two

1:21:33

pack of ones you got right there, Dan, you

1:21:35

are I went nine and four.

1:21:36

You are the winner. I went the winner.

1:21:39

You could have helped you out. There was one trade. Trades

1:21:41

kind of were the loser. We talked so much about, yeah,

1:21:44

trades leading up to the draft, and nothing happened. But

1:21:46

your your Jets traded Jonathan Franklin

1:21:48

Myers to the Broncos, Right,

1:21:51

future six. So that was the only veteran

1:21:53

trade I can think of.

1:21:54

And Nick fourtier does awesome work on go get

1:21:56

my Lunch dot org, which is a living

1:21:59

document of the his three of this podcast in many

1:22:01

ways has changed

1:22:03

some of the layout to the all time standings and

1:22:05

clarified it a bit. And I

1:22:07

don't know if this standings are updated the all time

1:22:09

standings, Greg, but I

1:22:11

am now five games clear of you on the win column.

1:22:14

Uh, two thirty five and two oh five

1:22:17

all time fifty three point four one percent,

1:22:19

your second fifty two point fifty

1:22:21

five to one percent two thirty and two

1:22:23

oh eight wes.

1:22:26

Uh, And we miss Wes always,

1:22:28

especially uh weekends

1:22:30

like this.

1:22:31

Uh.

1:22:31

He finished one sixty three and one fifty

1:22:33

five, so he finished fifty one point twenty six

1:22:35

percent. And Mark, you are at

1:22:37

one ninety six and two twenty five. You're

1:22:40

sitting at forty six point five six percent.

1:22:42

I mean, okay, but I I think

1:22:44

if we were to track why that's happening

1:22:46

to me on some level, I always have to

1:22:48

parse this, but I never took anyone

1:22:51

on sandwiches early on in this and that's what that's

1:22:53

bad strategy. That's on me and then some

1:22:55

of mine are just, uh, you know you're shooting for the moon.

1:22:59

Well, in this particular

1:23:02

addition, you came in

1:23:04

last.

1:23:06

I think I've almost regularly come

1:23:08

in last. And I think you'd have to question my

1:23:10

overall team building and strategy. I'm

1:23:12

not above that, and I'll

1:23:14

just do this will be a nice roll call as we wrap

1:23:17

up another season in a lot of ways of

1:23:19

around the NFL that

1:23:22

here are the guest pickers through the years.

1:23:24

There by the way, Eric Roberts, who's correct, he's

1:23:26

three and oh and etp and he

1:23:28

doesn't want to pick because he doesn't want to mess

1:23:30

with his perfect record.

1:23:31

But he's not the only perfect record. Lakeisha

1:23:34

Westling, the

1:23:36

wonderful, beautiful Lakeisha, wife

1:23:38

of Chris five.

1:23:40

And oh all time? Did anybody know five

1:23:42

in a lifetime?

1:23:43

Here are the other names who have made sandwich props

1:23:45

through the years, and people that go back all the way to

1:23:48

twenty thirteen with us know

1:23:50

all these names, Lakeisha Robins,

1:23:52

Cynthia Freeland, Patra the

1:23:54

Irishman, Connie Fox and

1:23:57

even twenty five and twenty five all time

1:23:59

the sandwich props Connor or Handsome

1:24:01

Hank Kyle Brandt.

1:24:02

Is three and three in the Sandwich Props.

1:24:05

Claybahn td our

1:24:07

original producer, Erica Tamposi,

1:24:10

The gold Standard, Ali Purry's

1:24:12

Own one Lifetime, Kevin Danger

1:24:14

Hans This my Brother, Owen one lifetime, Spice,

1:24:17

rack Zi Drizzle, Zach

1:24:19

Dressler, I love Zach, the

1:24:22

if you Know you Know, Brave Digger went Owen

1:24:25

seven and Sidney

1:24:27

Carlson the great iconic

1:24:29

lassid oh and nine lifetime. We might

1:24:31

have to get her out of Utah just to get one right,

1:24:34

to get her out off the schne.

1:24:35

I mean, oh and seven is in nine

1:24:37

is somehow better than one in thirteen

1:24:40

from the gold standard. One in thirteen is

1:24:42

just a preposterous record.

1:24:45

I had lunch with the gold Standard recently. Good

1:24:48

guy, good buddy.

1:24:49

Love that dude too.

1:24:50

We've been very lucky to work with

1:24:53

great people, Speaking of

1:24:55

which you might

1:24:57

have heard or read that Andrew Siciliano is

1:24:59

no longer with NFL

1:25:02

Media, which is a major loss for

1:25:04

the company and whatever

1:25:06

comes next for Andrew that company gets

1:25:08

better. While our company didn't

1:25:12

shout out to Andrew and hope

1:25:14

to see him and Hermosa Beach in the near

1:25:16

future. James Palmer also who's

1:25:19

been on the show, and we

1:25:22

he'll no longer be with the company, and

1:25:24

bigger and brighter things ahead for him as

1:25:27

well.

1:25:28

It's been a long year.

1:25:29

It's been at times a difficult year for NFL

1:25:31

media, but those are two names we

1:25:33

wanted to mention on the show because

1:25:36

they were obviously huge contributors

1:25:38

to what we did.

1:25:39

I think also, like you're any

1:25:41

fan out there has logged

1:25:44

hours watching both

1:25:46

of those gentlemen and

1:25:49

Andrew on you know, every

1:25:51

type of football show there is, all

1:25:54

season long, and a lot of times

1:25:56

you're wondering, like, who are these media people?

1:25:57

Are they good people behind the scenes?

1:25:59

So are they quality people or is it just all you know,

1:26:02

the way the negative stories you hear,

1:26:04

It's like, no, these Andrew Siciliano is one

1:26:06

of the kindest, nicest people

1:26:08

that's ever walked through our newsroom and literally

1:26:11

knows everyone's name, talk to everyone,

1:26:13

like, treats everyone equal. And James

1:26:16

Palmer, who was often not in our newsroom, but

1:26:18

whenever you'd see him at events, like the same goes

1:26:20

for him, and it's like you're losing not just incredible

1:26:23

professionals, but high quality

1:26:25

people and they're not You can't just replace these people,

1:26:27

you don't replace them, they're just they're not there.

1:26:30

Yeah, I've watched a lot of NFL Network over the years.

1:26:32

Rich Eisen obviously had the massive

1:26:34

lead of just like hours logged on NFL

1:26:37

Network for a decade.

1:26:40

I bet Andrew passed

1:26:43

them at some point. That Andrew Sicilliano has literally

1:26:45

been on our air more than any

1:26:47

person, I would guess. Ever,

1:26:50

part of it is because of the name of our show. Remember we

1:26:52

change from Around the League to Around the NFL

1:26:55

to synchronize with the show

1:26:57

that that Andrew is hosting Around the NFL,

1:26:59

which which lasts a year or two, and then they kind of change

1:27:01

the name to NFL Now. As it happens,

1:27:03

we got our name. And he was so

1:27:06

welcoming on that, and I told him this, and

1:27:08

it's true, Like there's no one I respected more

1:27:10

at the entire company in terms of the way he does

1:27:12

his job and what a good job he does.

1:27:14

And you heard that echoed from so many people.

1:27:16

It's just an awesome host, just an awesome guy.

1:27:20

All Right, Okay,

1:27:24

so we'll be back Tuesday

1:27:26

and Thursday. It's our Around the AFC

1:27:29

and Around the NFC specials, and we'll

1:27:32

hit obviously on every team, and

1:27:34

where they look and how they stand as they

1:27:36

come out of free agencies, and now they've come out

1:27:38

of the draft, and they head

1:27:40

into the off season and the programs.

1:27:42

Then the wheel earns and turns

1:27:45

and turns. Thank you everybody for listening.

1:27:48

He's the call.