0:07

Welcome. To tell Tell

0:09

us around here this

0:11

week door swung part

0:14

like. Hello!

0:27

And welcome to America to Britain's a total

0:29

of Rank and Adrianna Jamie. Job:

0:33

You were an audio podcast, what you've

0:36

just been I'm not go across, that's

0:38

fine, it's for you is his own

0:40

only for you is fine. I

0:43

I I don't not say we're

0:45

an eye grub I rob and

0:47

this is Totes House ranking ranking

0:50

asset wracking all of the President's

0:52

from Washington to buy done. And

0:54

this is episode forty five Point

0:56

One and I can't believe we're

0:58

actually here. It's the last one

1:00

will be doing a full episode.

1:02

While covering the for life of

1:04

it is obviously Donald Trump and

1:07

Jbg will explain what what you've

1:09

just done more than anything. if

1:11

it, what are you were Jamie?

1:13

I'm wearing my school plays. And

1:16

okay and a half is Nadia

1:18

podcast Robin a Hat you've just

1:20

got some all my our my

1:22

normal. White hat. The.

1:25

Has a smiley face on a yeah gonna

1:27

that's to say yet or of I'm guessing

1:29

this is you not wanting to admit that

1:32

you know he owner of a red face

1:34

woke up yeah yeah it. To

1:37

the i got it from a joke site. I'm

1:40

I didn't order from yeah

1:42

of what was it made

1:44

Her sausage not made America's

1:47

largest made in P R

1:49

P People's Republic of China

1:51

so it could be an

1:53

authentic Mack A. Hot. Them because

1:56

that's what I got. It

1:58

has. Take her seriously. The

2:00

from a joke shop while just

2:02

like an online Jt singer, Interesting.

2:04

Interesting. Anyway, we should probably start

2:06

Day Mates because wow here we

2:08

are. It's it's Donald Trump were

2:11

added it ends well. Let's let's

2:13

do an intro sally What Woah

2:15

Woah! Starting with to zoom in.

2:18

On. A guy sing in a wheelchair and a

2:20

know this is not pie upside he I know

2:22

it won't be. I can be just sitting in

2:24

a wheelchair. Peace. He's holding up

2:26

his a little blue flag with name on

2:29

conquest suit as is what since he they.

2:31

Suddenly he just pauses, he drops the

2:34

flag, his mouth open the just screams

2:36

like you know what I think that

2:38

can be the intro Okay to say

2:40

is just him scream when it comes

2:43

comes up with Donald Trump. Accept

2:47

that acts as a similar effect.

2:49

A separate. Have

2:52

to do you want to elaborate on

2:54

that? It's not just a guy screaming,

2:56

just a guy screaming. look of horror.

2:58

Can't control it. Oh well. Here here

3:00

here we go. Before. Before we

3:03

jump him to Donald Trump it

3:05

just say at the start I

3:07

am determined keep this to three

3:10

episodes. Guess.

3:12

A lot happens with Trump. Yes, it's

3:14

a very convoluted time in American history,

3:16

but you can't argue with any more

3:19

convoluted than say the Civil War or

3:21

the Revolutionary period size. And yeah, I

3:23

don't think we spend more than three

3:25

episodes on Trump. We've increased the number

3:27

of apps as recently because as more

3:30

information that modern people but I get

3:32

I really don't want to go beyond

3:34

three episodes. but as be honest that

3:36

is an insane amount cover as we

3:38

go over the life of one of

3:41

America's most controversial presents. From but

3:43

I'm gonna be up front. With.

3:45

Everyone had This has been up all a

3:47

hard episode to put together. the I knew

3:49

it. What they always you it was can

3:51

be A because Trump goes out of his

3:53

way to hide his past. Pretty

3:56

much everyone else you can read

3:58

biographies written by. People who know what

4:01

they're talking about. People who have studied these people

4:03

for years. You could have read the author the

4:05

day or up as the hell are go into

4:07

that in a bit of an and more modern

4:09

ones like Obama that was more tricky. Fewer people

4:11

have written books about him yes but I did

4:13

have some of his work and I that they

4:15

were some act. In.

4:18

Trouble with Trump though is he has gone out

4:20

of his way to hide his past and. To.

4:23

Put it bluntly: He. Learns about

4:25

that is just a fax whether you

4:27

agree with his policies or not. As

4:29

a President, He. Lives a lot

4:31

and that is just true for it, but

4:33

it's always been to with him, so trying

4:35

to look into his past is sometimes quite

4:37

tricky. Many ways it's been hard at find

4:40

out about the past of Trump than say

4:42

London. Because. You

4:44

never really sure what's going on a what's true

4:46

from. Said just being

4:48

a man's some things that we took off

4:50

date may may not quite be right because

4:53

it's hard to pin down and also that

4:55

a lot going on so I will be

4:57

missing things. That. Will be things

5:00

you think all well and deafening.

5:02

Mention this anti Bush right past

5:04

them just because as too much

5:06

camilla. But all about disclaimer Out

5:08

way let's begin shall we not

5:10

with Donald Trump but his Grandfather

5:13

To Grandfather Trump. Do you know

5:15

anything about Grandfather Trump? Am German

5:17

ancestry yet modern Germany Bavaria we're

5:19

talking about? This is Friedrich Trump.

5:21

Friedrich was born in eighteen Sixty

5:24

Nine and Kingdom of Bavaria and

5:26

an Eighteen Eighty Five. He emigrated

5:28

to. The United States to live with

5:30

his sister. still got over couple years

5:32

before going to got that he changed

5:34

his name to Frederick fit in that

5:37

slightly more common thing that the immigrants

5:39

three he got work to the baba

5:41

when he got that and he saved

5:43

up all his money and then and

5:45

eighteen mighty warm he moved to the

5:47

brand new states that have just been

5:49

created Washington Fact: what can see where

5:51

facial hang out knife I do I

5:53

Once he was in Seattle he opened

5:56

a restaurant/bar/brothel him at Bloodlines back them.

5:58

that he was doing well When

6:01

the Klondike Gold Rush happens,

6:03

this is when gold

6:05

was discovered up north in the

6:07

Yukon region, up in Canada area.

6:10

This is weird shiny metal, yellow

6:13

south ridge. So Frederick Trump

6:16

decided to go and run a hotel

6:18

slash brothel on the trail up north.

6:20

This was called the Arctic. That's

6:22

what I knew around. Essentially, in

6:25

my head, I'm imagining Al

6:27

Swearigen from Deadwood. That

6:29

in my head is now Trump's grandfather.

6:32

He is just running

6:34

a seedy bar slash brothel. In fact, I

6:36

will quote a description of the bar at

6:38

the time. I will quote

6:40

here, The single men, the Arctic,

6:42

has excellent accommodations, as well as

6:44

the best restaurants in Bennett. But I

6:46

would not advise respectable women to go there

6:49

to sleep, as they are liable to hear

6:51

that which would be a pungent to their

6:53

feelings, and uttered to

6:55

by the depraved of their own sex.

6:57

Fair enough. So if

6:59

you're a single man passing through, swing by, you

7:02

probably enjoy yourself. Yeah. But

7:04

apparently, yeah. Not for the ladies, but for

7:06

the girls. Not for girls. Yeah, unless they worked now.

7:08

There we go. Frederick Trump

7:11

became rich off

7:13

the brothel, essentially. That's where Trump money comes

7:15

from. Married a woman

7:17

called Elizabeth, and he moved to New

7:19

York. And the two of them had

7:22

a son called Fred, and a couple

7:24

of other children that I'm not going to go into

7:26

for time reasons. Frederick used his money

7:28

to buy up land in the rapidly grown

7:30

city of New York. However, just over 10

7:32

years later, he died of pneumonia, or the

7:35

Spanish flu I saw too different. Yes. So

7:38

there you go. He's dead. The family

7:40

company was held by Elizabeth until the

7:43

younger Fred, now in his twenties, took

7:45

over the family business of buying land

7:47

and building houses upon it. So

7:49

they are getting into the real estate

7:51

business. He expanded the

7:54

business considerably, building thousands of

7:56

homes, And was soon one

7:58

of the biggest names in housing. In

8:00

the city he wasn't like famous

8:02

or anything but you were in

8:04

the construction business. He knew the

8:07

name Trump back Now it's main

8:09

method of making money was to

8:11

get money from government housing schemes

8:13

to build houses and then he

8:16

would overestimate the costs to their

8:18

hold on purpose and then spend

8:20

that money on other projects. So.

8:24

I mean. But

8:29

it was fine because no one calls

8:31

him that much. sort of like a

8:33

few people you want to cause few

8:35

times but hey you have money in

8:37

it. Was able to deal with it

8:39

at I'm His Biggest achievement was guessing

8:42

in with the Madison Club crowd don't

8:44

know a lot as well Madison If

8:46

this was the time in New York

8:48

where it was rammed by the Democratic

8:50

party machine as with same and the

8:52

Mask and Club was an exclusive club

8:54

that these political machine members were part

8:57

of sub group of elites in the

8:59

city, Fred Trump had ingratiate himself with

9:01

these people building homes for them in

9:03

their neighborhoods. So the political frenzy made

9:05

it this time to see the Trump

9:07

family through the rest of his life

9:09

and his son's life. To.

9:12

Some all of that up. The. Money

9:14

came from grand have running a

9:16

brothel essentially and some other businesses.

9:18

to be fair to political connections

9:21

come from the dad who managed

9:23

to get right with with hello

9:25

Politicians. Foods

9:27

and Hi Group and he he was

9:30

building houses in thousands. He and his

9:32

Scottish wife Mary started to have children.

9:35

Attitude girls and boys Marianne for Jr

9:37

and Elizabeth. they have their

9:39

second son donald is born in

9:42

nineteen forty six had two years

9:44

later they would have the final

9:46

child roberts rafol the trump on

9:49

said showed very little interest in

9:51

raising his children fairly typical of

9:53

the time with seen this before

9:56

according to some family members however

9:58

he was sociopathic in his levels

10:00

of lack of empathy. This

10:02

apparently wasn't usual father figure just

10:04

not paying attention to the children.

10:07

Apparently it went even further. I

10:09

found one example. Nine months

10:11

after giving birth to Robert, Mary,

10:14

so the mother, was rushed

10:16

to hospital when the eldest daughter

10:18

Mary Ann found her mother unconscious

10:21

and bleeding. So Mary was rushed

10:23

to hospital. The last birth

10:25

of Robert had resulted in

10:28

severe complications. Now Fred

10:30

used his political connections to get Mary

10:32

rushed to the Jamaica hospital where the

10:34

best doctors were working at the time.

10:36

After several hours he received a

10:38

phone call from the hospital and

10:40

then called his eldest daughter into his office.

10:42

So Fred has stayed at home and the

10:44

children are still at home. Mary's

10:47

in the hospital. And Fred calls

10:49

the eldest daughter Mary Ann into his

10:51

office and said to her and I

10:53

quote, they told me your mother won't make it through the

10:55

night. Go to school tomorrow and

10:57

I'll call you if there's any change. But

10:59

yeah. Yeah. Then

11:02

he left for the hospital leaving his

11:04

distraught 12 year old behind. Yeah.

11:08

Mary actually pulled through the night. She

11:10

didn't die. Mary Ann found this

11:12

out the next day when halfway through the

11:15

day she just was told to go to

11:17

the principal's office because there was news. So

11:20

she had to walk through the school assuming she was

11:22

about to be told her mother was dead. But

11:25

she was actually told good news. However

11:27

her mother was very ill and

11:29

spent a long time in surgeries never

11:31

fully recovered. Now there was several

11:33

stories about Fred like this. Apparently Fred

11:36

was very very distant and

11:38

really struggled to communicate with

11:40

his children. Yeah. Yeah.

11:43

Sort of walk in. How is

11:45

my. How is she. How is she. Oh

11:48

I don't know. Yeah.

11:50

Dead probably. Yeah. He

11:53

just clearly did not know how to communicate

11:55

with his children. Now I can't find any

11:57

examples of how he treated Donald because it's

12:00

Again, these stories have been hushed off,

12:02

but I'm guessing if that is the

12:04

way he deals with his

12:06

wife dying, or almost dying, and relaying that

12:08

use to the eldest sister, I'm guessing it's

12:10

going to be fairly similar for all the

12:12

other children. Yeah. Anyway,

12:15

because Mary was so ill,

12:17

it was actually Mary Ann,

12:19

who, the eldest sister, who was

12:21

looking after the little baby Donald. He's three

12:23

years old at this point. And soon enough,

12:25

Donald is off to school. Hurrah! After

12:28

school he goes. School was a

12:30

small private school which would send a

12:32

limo to pick up the trumpets and

12:35

others in the neighbourhood to go to school

12:37

each month. The family... A

12:39

limo? Yeah. The family are doing

12:41

well. Yeah, I'd say so. His

12:44

first teachers describe Donald as a little

12:47

jolly boy. That's one of his first

12:49

teachers. That's nice. But after a couple

12:51

of years at the school, things

12:54

were not going so well. Donald

12:56

was often involved in fights and

12:59

teasing other children, mostly younger children.

13:01

That's so out of character. Well,

13:04

we'll see. However, Fred

13:08

was on the school board. So all

13:10

of this was overlooked. You

13:12

can't chuck the kid out, not when

13:14

the father's on the board. And at home things were

13:17

not going great. Donald is seven

13:19

years old now, and he had started

13:21

bullying his little brother Robert. He

13:23

started hiding his toys and breaking them and

13:25

calling him names. One

13:27

day it became so bad that the

13:30

elder brother Freddy, in order to stop

13:32

Donald, dumped a bowl of mashed potato

13:34

on top of Donald's head. Oh,

13:37

that's an image. Much to the amusement of

13:39

all the other siblings, they all found it

13:41

hilarious. Donald was furious

13:44

and apparently never had a

13:47

good relationship with his brother Freddy from that

13:49

moment on. Because Freddy's the older brother that

13:51

died of alcoholism, isn't he? Yes.

13:54

Donald always... Donald Trump.

13:56

Always very fondly Of

13:59

him. Bobby's. And I'm

14:01

guessing out yet as others sweat when

14:03

I say didn't get on the i

14:05

mean the site that was there was

14:07

a flat. she was relationship. I do

14:09

they yeah I'm not saying it was

14:11

all out war between them to that

14:14

Did this story incidentally was brought up

14:16

in an anecdote not many years ago

14:18

by one of the sisters. one or

14:20

Kaplan Trump was that and apparently had

14:22

a face like I'm the one the

14:24

story was being relayed. He did not

14:26

like a memory at all. He was

14:28

unable to laugh off the started. Tank

14:31

from his by mount when nuclear

14:33

bullied me. Anyway, back to school.

14:35

Things will not improving. Donald had

14:37

started arguing with teachers and full

14:39

on bullying the other children in

14:42

One School members pulled French to

14:44

one side and recommended military school.

14:46

But we can't ignore this anymore.

14:48

Your child is being very badly

14:50

behaved. Any other child would have

14:52

been kicked out. Can you please

14:54

take him to military school yet

14:56

so we don't have to deal

14:58

with the setting off. A

15:01

By this point it was I'd have to

15:03

admit that was a problem here. He can

15:05

turn a blind eye to anymore Donald were

15:07

acting else he just was so he was

15:09

told you're going to military school We have

15:11

not. He was not happy

15:13

about this at all. He hated the

15:15

idea of being sent away from home

15:17

at the age of thirty him, but

15:19

he had no choice away. He goes

15:21

to the New York Military Academy, which

15:24

was referred to by his siblings as

15:26

the Reform School. Donald felt like he

15:28

was being punished and because it was

15:30

very clearly not behaving well enough. You're

15:32

going to military school when it is

15:34

a punishment isn't it? Yeah, well, who

15:36

knows. Maybe the speed of the making

15:38

of and made it out and so

15:40

does our. Whole new

15:43

character from shall I Was pleasantly

15:45

scold. Very different as you can

15:47

imagine. Yes, he has been

15:49

living a very very privileged life where he

15:51

can do what he wants. His daddy's on

15:54

the boards, he can shouted as teachers. All

15:56

of a sudden everything is very regimented and

15:58

there was no way he was. to

16:00

get away with teasing the other kids

16:02

anymore. However, he wasn't completely abandoned. Don't

16:05

think that the family just went off you

16:07

go little Donald Fenn for yourself. You're

16:10

being punished. Fred went to visit

16:12

him every single weekend. So he

16:14

did see his father regularly, but

16:17

his mother mostly didn't go.

16:19

Remember she's very ill and she's not very well.

16:21

So his relationship with his mother just wasn't

16:24

as close back then as far as I

16:26

can tell. Again, it's hard to read into

16:28

these things because there's very little information on

16:30

it. But he was talking to

16:32

his dad regularly at this point. Now

16:35

despite hating it at first, the military

16:37

school did seem to do Donald some

16:39

good. He paid far more attention

16:41

in class. He joined him with

16:43

sports, particularly baseball. As far

16:46

as I could tell, he had few friends.

16:49

But again, Trump has gone back and made sure

16:51

no one ever talks about his past by threatening

16:53

to sue them. So his classmates don't talk about

16:55

him. And believe me, there'll be many journalists try

16:58

and find out this stuff and they just can't.

17:00

They keep hitting the brick wall. But

17:02

as far as I can tell from things I read,

17:04

he seemed to mostly keep to

17:06

himself. Meanwhile, Fred was trying to

17:09

get C.D. into the family business

17:11

and the older brother. It was not going

17:13

well. Freddy, significantly older than Donald, was a

17:15

full adult by this point, and he had

17:18

trained to fly. And he wanted to be

17:20

a pilot. He could fly

17:22

in the air. I'm excited. So I

17:25

get to wear those goggles and the leather hats. Leather

17:27

hats? Yeah. Yeah. Leather coat. Leather coat.

17:30

Yeah. Yeah. The goggles. Big gloves. Big

17:32

gloves. Yeah, exactly. Fred was absolutely disgusted

17:34

by the idea of his his out

17:37

at some becoming a glorified bus driver.

17:39

No, you need to

17:41

be taking over the family business. One

17:44

day when Freddy placed an order

17:46

of windows for Trump construction, Fred

17:48

started shouting at his son for

17:50

wasting money in front of all

17:52

of the employees. Shouting

17:55

in our quote, Donald is worth 10 of

17:57

you. Oh, Yeah. Had

18:00

he had had enough of this and quit

18:02

and went off to from his to be

18:04

a pilot How this it and when have.

18:07

Been automatically still in the military

18:09

school so obviously his father him

18:12

that relationship has unfolded skunk by

18:14

the spots and is yeah, see

18:16

that Fred starting see Donald as

18:19

the heir apparent rather than fatty

18:21

interest have done by the time

18:24

he'd finished military school and he's

18:26

off to Fordham University. But suddenly

18:28

with no warning at all, he

18:31

got a placements in the very

18:33

exclusive Wharton School of the University

18:35

of Pennsylvania studying economics. So

18:38

yes Daddy clearly pulled some strings and

18:40

made sure he got into up at

18:42

the University Scientists and added a second

18:44

a business. It does make sense sick

18:47

I felt somewhat. Economics yeah exactly Yeah

18:49

as he you get into she said

18:51

is now thinking oh no hang on

18:53

and fees my again anything and it

18:55

pump mobile bet making multi stage and

18:58

had no thousand. We can see how

19:00

he didn't do very well at Boston

19:02

University. He struggled to fit in. I

19:04

do actually have a quote from a

19:07

classmate. Have you could see he was

19:09

cut difference. he was a non drinker

19:11

which was kind of where he never

19:13

smiled that was an air about and

19:16

not of noxious are offensive just distance

19:18

so he just kept to himself by

19:20

the sounds of things. didn't really make

19:23

many friends closely to the store. Drink

19:25

The answers for the died. That.

19:28

As parents before or not, he was never

19:30

never back down to maybe stuff like have

19:32

club at night. As far as our community

19:34

was ever big drinker. Yeah. Interested.

19:36

We do not know how Donald did

19:39

academically because he hath again later life.

19:41

He pointed to Sue the school if

19:43

I ever released his records so they're

19:46

probably tazi something. If he did when

19:48

I loud, he wouldn't be trying to

19:50

hide it. So presumably yeah, he did

19:53

not do well, but we don't know

19:55

how while he does not her. Also,

19:57

around this time Donald received a to.

20:00

I'm and from being drafted the

20:02

Vietnam was gonna. oh yeah and

20:04

Donald doesn't need to go now.

20:08

Officially it was bone spurs. Yeah.

20:11

Them is no evidence that case.

20:13

however. almost certainly his father cold

20:15

in a favor to stop his

20:17

son from being sensible. He had

20:20

just. Been. To military school

20:22

and he played sports whilst he was

20:24

there. There's nothing to indicate that he

20:26

was unable to do this, but like

20:28

I have says we have talked about

20:30

on this podcast before War is awful.

20:32

People don't like sending their children to

20:34

war. People trying get out of it

20:36

in various ways. Yeah, We

20:38

have seen. I wouldn't. Cut

20:41

it shouldn't. used his brains to get out

20:44

of it Bush used his wow to get

20:46

out of that even though technically it looks

20:48

like him because he is to serve just

20:50

and I didn't exactly set. Yes, the as

20:53

everyone's trying to get out of his draft

20:55

pick. Donald get it out of it because

20:57

of his father. Just just as busted Say

21:00

yeah. Anyway, as

21:02

startled graduates he finishes

21:04

university hand. presumably.

21:07

Not brilliantly, but was he wants.

21:11

To give the business yeah, you

21:13

gotta Alaska. They must take over

21:15

the family business And. Just.

21:17

That you know, there is a lot

21:19

of detail out there about Trump's business

21:22

deals. That. Something that Trump

21:24

is happy for people to talk about

21:26

his past. Yeah the off the deal

21:29

which I took that more in a

21:31

bit is all about his business deals

21:33

other than no other books where people

21:36

actually pull apart the out of daily

21:38

try find out what actually happens because

21:40

the artificial south publishing pasta so self

21:43

aggrandizing. Yeah exactly when Donald Trump admits

21:45

and south this is what he does

21:47

he have. He passed himself off and

21:50

the as him very well but. As

21:53

you can extrapolate from it things that

21:55

did happen and people have. If you

21:58

are interested in the business deals. Donald

22:00

Trump, or you can find information. This is

22:02

where I had far too much to sift

22:04

through, and I'll be honest, a lot of

22:07

it was incredibly dull. So I'm going to

22:09

skim through his business deals, just give you

22:11

a sense of the kind of stuff that

22:13

he was going to be doing at this

22:15

time. To begin with, he was made Vice

22:18

President of various companies that Fred Trump owned.

22:21

At 24, he was promoted

22:23

to President of Trump Management

22:25

over his brother, Freddie. Yeah,

22:27

Freddie not happy about this. Freddie, by the way, has

22:29

failed his career as a pilot, and

22:32

he's come back to work for the family

22:34

again. Did he do like a cheating Roddenberry

22:36

and crash every plane he went into? Possibly.

22:38

He crashed the plane into the Trump headquarters,

22:41

crawled out.

22:44

Not again. It just

22:46

keeps being pulled back. Yeah,

22:49

anyway, Fred saw something in his

22:51

second son. He realised that Donald

22:53

did not have the attention span

22:55

or ice detail that was needed

22:57

to run the company. But what

22:59

Donald did have

23:02

and had it in spades was

23:04

vision and attitude. And that can

23:07

go a long way in business.

23:09

So Fred

23:11

was more than happy for Donald to be

23:13

taking over that aspect of the business, hoping

23:15

that as he grew older, he'd get better

23:17

at the actual day to day running of

23:19

businesses. So Donald was ambitious,

23:22

very ambitious. He would often talk about

23:24

impossible feats that the company would achieve

23:26

one day. Fred liked this in his

23:28

son, figured that, okay, we can steer

23:30

him into achieving some great things. So

23:32

the plan was to send his son

23:35

into Manhattan and

23:38

get the company in there. They

23:40

didn't have any real estate in Manhattan

23:43

at this point. And Manhattan obviously is

23:45

the gold standard in real estate. So

23:47

let's see if we can get him.

23:49

And essentially Donald's job to begin with

23:51

was just to scope out properties. Just

23:54

look around, where could he buy,

23:56

meet with people, discuss possible business

23:58

deals. Since tick-along pretty

24:00

well to begin with, the Trump

24:02

company stuck to Brooklyn as none

24:05

of Trump's leads went anywhere to

24:07

begin with, but they're still making

24:09

lots of money through house building.

24:11

As ever, the same model is

24:13

happening here. They are overcharging the

24:15

government for housing funds, not

24:17

using the money on the houses, and

24:19

then spending that money to get into

24:22

different deals. So

24:24

they just keep building up their wealth that

24:26

way. This however did catch up with the

24:28

company in 1976, where

24:30

Fred was arrested in handcuffs. Some

24:33

of his properties were found to be

24:36

breaking so many laws that they were

24:38

officially deemed as slums. So the Trumps

24:40

are now slum landlords. They have these

24:42

properties, they are not in any way

24:45

looking at them whatsoever. They are falling

24:47

apart. However, the arrest goes

24:49

nowhere. The Trumps win. Rent strikes

24:52

then occurred in some of the Virginian

24:54

properties that the Trumps owned due to

24:56

a lack of basic things such as

24:58

hot water. So they're in apartments and

25:00

just didn't have hot water. And they

25:02

weren't fixing it. And it's almost a

25:04

basic right, isn't it? Well, yeah. Anyway,

25:06

Fred and the lawyers spent time dealing

25:09

with all of the legal troubles that

25:11

the company was in. Donald, however, had

25:13

little to do with this, apart from

25:15

the time that he met with one

25:17

of the tenants' lawyers. Sorry, the tenants'

25:19

lawyers. So the tenants are bound together

25:21

to the company

25:23

of a lack of basic amenities. And

25:26

they'd hired this lawyer. Donald entered the

25:28

room, which had the tenants' lawyer called

25:30

Buzz Gilbert in it. Great name. It's

25:33

a really good name, isn't it? Buzz Gilbert. Anyway,

25:36

so you've got Buzz Gilbert representing the tenants,

25:38

and then you've got the Trump company lawyer.

25:40

Don't need to know his name. Anyway,

25:43

Donald entered the room. He

25:45

told his own lawyer to sit down and

25:47

shut up. And then he put his arm

25:50

around Gilbert and said, and

25:52

I quote, Buzz and I are going to settle this

25:55

thing. Gilbert, taken

25:57

aback by this, stepped away and

25:59

said... said, my name is Mr. Gilbert,

26:02

and I'm going to speak to your lawyer.

26:04

Trump brushed this off, lift the room and

26:06

let the lawyers talk. But it's what

26:08

happened next that's interesting, and I think

26:11

sums up Trump's personality quite well at

26:13

this time. Buzz Gilbert, later on that

26:15

week, got a call from Donald, essentially

26:17

saying, I liked the way

26:19

you handled yourself there, we want to

26:21

retain your services. Gilbert,

26:24

confused, asked for a stupidly high

26:26

price. It's like, okay, well, pay

26:29

me this much to be on

26:31

the table. Trump agreed immediately. No

26:33

haggling whatsoever. It's like, yeah, fine.

26:35

Gilbert was hired for a year,

26:37

paid, and never did any work

26:40

for the Trump organization. So

26:42

essentially uses money as clout. It

26:45

was to save face. Trump went in there,

26:47

was unable to show me up to the

26:49

other lawyer. But that makes it seem like

26:52

he's lost. But if he then pretends that

26:54

it was all part of a test, a

26:56

little bit into view almost, well, actually, I

26:58

liked the way you did that. And now

27:00

I'm going to give you a job. It

27:03

puts him back in charge again, doesn't it?

27:05

It saves face. No longer feels

27:07

like he lost that conversation. Yeah, I hadn't thought

27:09

about that. That's really interesting. Yeah. And I

27:12

didn't find many snippets of him like actually

27:14

talking in his past, but I came across

27:16

this one. It's like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

27:18

And it does match with what we know

27:20

what he's like later on in life, where

27:22

he leads to win. If he feels like

27:24

he's lost, he is very angry. So yeah,

27:27

you get feeling he was like that at

27:29

this early age. He's still in his mid

27:31

20s at this point. Yeah. So yeah, he

27:33

was like that way back then. Anyway, by

27:35

now he is living in Manhattan. He is

27:37

still searching for new properties. It still hasn't

27:39

worked out. But he was asking to make

27:41

some connections. On one point, he

27:44

started using his father's connections to

27:46

their full potential. Donald started to

27:48

develop his own using these connections.

27:50

The most important connection in his

27:52

life was formed around this point,

27:54

because this is a man called

27:56

Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn is was

27:58

a well known millionaire

28:00

fixer in New York. He

28:03

soon became like a second father figure

28:05

to Donald. Now, Cone was

28:07

the chief counsel to none other than

28:10

Joseph McCarthy, when all that was

28:12

going off, as in McCarthyism. Cone

28:16

played a major role in all of

28:18

that. Let's just pretend we've got a

28:20

list of names of commies and the

28:22

government to try and scare people. So

28:25

he's deep in all of that. Cone

28:27

also has ties to the church

28:29

and the mafia, and generally

28:32

was the stereotypical sleazy New

28:34

York lawyer who was incredibly

28:37

well connected. Apart from

28:39

his connection to Trump, he represented Murdoch

28:41

a lot in the 1980s. So

28:43

I'm jumping forward a bit here.

28:45

He pushed Murdoch's rise in the

28:47

media landscape of the country at

28:49

the time. Skipping ahead even

28:52

more, Cone was finally disbarred from

28:54

being a lawyer when he was

28:56

caught entering a dying patient's hospital

28:59

room and literally forcing a pen

29:01

into their hands, changing the will

29:03

of this dying patient to give

29:05

himself money. This is the kind

29:08

of person we are talking about

29:10

here. Oh, he's a knob.

29:12

I would like to go into all the

29:14

reasons why he is an awful, awful man.

29:16

We don't have time, just know he clearly

29:19

lives in a volcano. Jackson's

29:22

volcano has been redecorated, made him

29:24

worse. By the way, again, skipping

29:26

way ahead, but when this

29:28

went to a hearing for his disbarment,

29:30

Trump turned up as a character witness

29:32

for Cone. What a good guy he is.

29:36

Anyway, like I say, that's in the

29:38

future. I just want you to know what kind

29:40

of person Roy Cone is. And

29:42

he is now the biggest role

29:44

model in Trump's life. So shortly after

29:47

they met, Donald hired Cone

29:49

to represent the company. The

29:51

Justice Department were charging

29:53

the Trumps of racially

29:55

discriminating potential tenants. There

29:58

have been some reports, shall we say, Reports

30:00

of doorman turning back black applicants

30:02

at the door and also four

30:04

different rental agencies working for the

30:06

trumps admitted That they had race

30:08

codes for certain buildings It

30:11

wasn't that they weren't allowing black people

30:13

to live in their buildings if they

30:15

got applicants from black people They could

30:17

only live in certain buildings. They were

30:19

segregating their tenants. That's what they were

30:21

doing I mean, that's not good

30:23

luck. Is it? Oh, it's not a one

30:25

staff member in one of the properties said

30:27

that the instructions like this came straight From

30:30

Fred Trump and that it was his job

30:32

in the company as in the person who

30:34

reported this to and I quote Decrease

30:37

the number of black tenants, right?

30:39

Yeah, it seemed fairly clear cut

30:42

here Anyway, the government was

30:44

willing for the trumps to simply change

30:46

their rules change change your rules start

30:49

doing it correctly We'll let this one

30:51

slide. Yeah, but after talking to kun

30:53

Donald decided they should treat it. We're

30:55

not doing anything wrong Our

30:58

buildings so come suggested why don't

31:00

we count to sue the government

31:03

for one hundred million dollars? form

31:06

Reasons I'm sure they came up with something. This

31:09

was understandably left out of court

31:12

immediately And after

31:14

a year or so of tying up

31:16

the court's time the Trump company settled

31:18

the case and they changed their laws

31:20

However, the trump did not have to

31:22

admit to any wrongdoing Number

31:25

20 year old Donald trump loudly announced

31:27

that they had won the case Despite

31:30

the fact they hadn't again. That's

31:32

so out of character. I couldn't imagine Donald trump

31:34

doing that But I mean you

31:36

could argue for him. They had one. He genuinely

31:39

saw this as a win He was headline news

31:41

for a while wasn't his father who was in

31:43

charge of counter sowing It was him so he'd

31:45

actually like hit the press people were talking about

31:47

him and oh he enjoyed that The

31:50

change in some poxy laws that the company

31:52

didn't really plan to follow. Anyway didn't mean

31:54

anything to donalds I don't care.

31:56

We probably won't do that. Anyway, in fact, they didn't

31:59

because a year later It was found

32:01

they had changed nothing at all and

32:03

there was still doing it. So if

32:05

they were dragged back to cause again

32:07

come with their crime that the Trump's

32:09

were being unfairly treated again this laughed

32:11

out of told the evidence of so

32:13

obvious that they were actually discriminating from

32:16

and again the Trump company said oh

32:18

wow will mend always so they have

32:20

been. Love Donald have finally found a

32:22

place to invest in Manhattan that was

32:24

his shop for member he's got summer

32:26

actually several. I'm simplifying this a lot

32:28

because there are many business. Deals start

32:30

to happen all at the same time and

32:32

they all take different times to complete. This

32:34

is a cute. Ones

32:37

One the main ones you got this

32:39

time was the old Commodore Hotel in

32:41

in Manhattan. It was falling apart in

32:44

an area right for me developments. Now

32:46

the Mayor of New York and friends

32:48

were old friends and through this with

32:50

Donald got to know the new man

32:52

at the city Utah Matter night and

32:54

through all this he was able to

32:56

get some very generous tax cuts on

32:58

what he's doing Trump and. Hyatt Hotel

33:00

went in together to fully refurbish the

33:03

building. This was the first of his

33:05

major projects although black say over the

33:07

going to follow an overlap you soon

33:09

developing a look through tower block in

33:12

the half the city that would be

33:14

called Trump Tower. I heard of his

33:16

ass and he has his sights on

33:18

a casino in the Atlantic City. In

33:21

the meantime he was distracted because he

33:23

had met someone and that is a

33:25

manual sprinkle my A how these who

33:28

met his you'll be shocked to. know

33:30

unknown that because trump keeps telling so

33:32

many different versions of the truth as

33:34

got lost we just don't know anymore

33:36

it would seem that it was an

33:38

event linked to the montreal olympics and

33:40

fat keeps popping up in various stories

33:42

about he was born to a check

33:44

at father and an austrian mother and

33:47

she had skied for the checked national

33:49

team as users use good of but

33:51

she hadn't quite made it onto the

33:53

olympic team her but she was still

33:55

very good at it despite not making

33:57

onto the unpick team trump often introduced

33:59

her to friends as an Olympic

34:02

skier. To the point where most

34:04

people thought she genuinely was an Olympic

34:06

skier, but she wasn't. She

34:08

would love that because I think if you're close to getting

34:11

on the team that is still very impressive. Oh

34:13

yeah. Yeah, very good skier. What

34:16

she was doing at the time was

34:18

modelling in Canada. Donald immediately took to

34:20

Evania. She was a blonde model with

34:23

an exotic accent. It was exactly the

34:25

kind of thing that he was looking

34:27

for. They soon start seeing each other

34:29

and he starts boasting to everyone he

34:31

knows about her. However,

34:34

he was worried. Was Evania

34:36

just with him for his money? Was

34:39

she a gold digger? It is

34:41

a fair question to ask. Well, his mentor,

34:43

Conan, told Donald essentially yes. Don't

34:45

marry. Yeah, what are you doing getting married?

34:47

You don't want to get married. It's a

34:49

waste of time. But if you insist

34:51

in getting married, make sure you've got

34:54

a very strong prenup. So shortly after

34:56

proposing, negotiations take place. Which

34:59

is... Unless it's still. Yeah, everything

35:01

has turned into business transactions, even

35:03

getting married. Because from our perspective,

35:06

prenups are not really much of

35:08

a thing in the UK. I think

35:10

unless you're absurdly wealthy. Yeah,

35:12

exactly. I mean, it's certainly... Yeah, basically it's

35:14

just we don't live in a culture of

35:16

prenups in this country. I'm getting absurdly wealthy

35:18

people. Maybe do have them. But if they

35:20

do, they are not talked about. It is

35:23

almost like a shameful kind of, oh, we

35:25

didn't believe in our marriage kind of thing.

35:28

Oh, that's so American. I get the feeling

35:30

that in America it's seen as slightly more

35:32

socially acceptable to talk about. Yeah. Because

35:35

they are not called this. Yeah. But yes, no,

35:37

I admit from my perspective,

35:39

prenups seem strange. But you cannot see

35:42

it when there's a lot of money

35:44

involved and you're worried that you're getting

35:46

married to a gold digger. Anyway, negotiations.

35:49

One early draft from Donald and

35:51

Cone, because they're working on this

35:53

together, has that Evania would return

35:56

all gifts given by Donald should

35:58

they divorce. Like, literally every day. anything. Anything

36:00

he ever gave her. She would have to

36:02

give back. This paperclip,

36:04

get it to the list. Exactly right.

36:07

And it was horrified by this, and

36:09

quite angry. She was expecting just a

36:11

straightforward down the line, okay well, yeah,

36:13

prenups. They happen. But no,

36:15

this seems almost like she was

36:17

being had a go at already. She

36:21

was so angry and so annoyed

36:23

by it, Donald hastily dropped a

36:25

new prenup. She could now keep

36:27

any clothes and expensive gifts. That's

36:29

fine. And also she would get $100,000 just

36:33

as a sort of handshake goodbye, which

36:36

is a lot of money, but it is

36:38

a drop in the ocean for

36:40

the Trump. He probably has

36:42

that in his wallet. Yeah. Anyway, things

36:44

went back and forth for a while.

36:47

A lump sum for any child produced

36:49

was apparently debated, but rejected. After

36:51

maybe they thought that sounded a little bit tacky.

36:55

Donald wanted a lot of children.

36:57

In fact, I'm not going to send my notes, so

36:59

I'm going to have to remember it. I think it

37:01

was five, but it might have been seven. But the

37:03

thing that stuck out, and I did remember, is he

37:05

said he wanted that number of children because he wanted

37:07

to make sure at least one of them turned out

37:10

like him. Oh my God. You

37:12

get the feeling that's him looking at his

37:14

siblings and his father. Oh

37:16

yeah. Thinking, well, I'm the one like my father,

37:18

so I

37:20

don't want to end up with children like my brother,

37:22

who I don't get on with. Well,

37:25

Don Jr. is, I'd say, very

37:27

similar. Well, yeah. It'd be interesting

37:30

which child Trump thinks is most

37:32

like him. Oh yeah.

37:34

I bet they're all vying for sort of... Oh

37:36

God. Have you watched Succession? No.

37:40

Oh, you should watch Succession. It's more sort of

37:42

based on Murdoch, but there's a lot of Trump

37:44

in there. Very powerful, wealthy

37:46

family. Yeah. And the children

37:48

trying... It completely ineps children

37:50

trying to vise her for who's going

37:52

to be the heir. It's

37:54

very, very well done. But yeah, I

37:57

just want to say, my Minibioni vanka,

37:59

I reckon... He probably thinks

38:02

she's probably the stronger. Yeah, possibly.

38:04

She had quite a hard position in

38:06

the government and everything. Yeah, yeah. She

38:08

definitely seems the most capable of them.

38:10

Yeah, yeah. But don't rule out the

38:12

misogyny. That's a good point. Yeah.

38:15

Anyway, we are getting very sidetracked

38:17

here. We're just speculating on which

38:19

children of his Trump likes. And

38:22

that's what we're doing. He doesn't even have

38:24

any children at this point. Anyway, they're negotiating

38:26

their divorce. That's what they're doing before

38:29

their wedding. Right, in the end, it was agreed

38:31

that if they were divorced, Evania would get $20,000

38:33

a year unless the marriage lasted nine years. In

38:37

that case, it would go up to $30,000 a year. So

38:40

that's not fair, isn't it? The

38:42

prenup also explicitly stated that Evania

38:44

agreed that she would not expect

38:46

to live like a millionaire and

38:48

have a lifestyle full of yachts.

38:50

This was so later on, she

38:52

couldn't claim that she needed to

38:54

get in a lifestyle to which

38:56

she'd been accustomed to. And

38:58

this falls apart because Trump and Evania can't

39:01

help but spend money, and they are instantly

39:03

living the life of millionaires, would be like,

39:05

look for your leaguettes. Anyway,

39:08

with all that wedding planning done,

39:10

the two get married in April of

39:13

77. Many...

39:15

Star Wars. Yes, that's what was

39:17

clinging on in the background. Many

39:20

of Evania's friends were there. Donald

39:23

had many business associates attending. I honestly

39:25

don't mean that in a snide way.

39:27

I genuinely can't tell if he has

39:29

any friends. They're never mentioned. They were

39:31

associates and they were business partners in

39:33

everything I read. And Cocker, Roy Doon

39:35

seems the closest thing. But

39:38

that's more of a sort of father figure mentor. Yeah. The

39:41

father he never had. But he does have. He's

39:44

also a mentor. He's got two father figures. Yeah. Anyway,

39:47

by 1980, the Grand Hyatt

39:49

opens, and three years later,

39:51

Trump Tower opens. To

39:53

much fanfare, I simply don't have

39:56

time to go into all the

39:58

dodgy deals involved. involved

40:00

in these, but believe me, there are

40:02

loads. If you are interested in this,

40:04

read The Greatest Show on Earth by

40:06

Wayne Barrett, who goes into

40:08

all sorts of information about

40:11

this area. Just know that the

40:13

building of Trump Tower is a

40:15

story of labour exploitation, organised

40:18

crime, dodgy tax breaks, and

40:20

purposeful destruction of artwork promised to a museum

40:22

as it was discovered that it would cost

40:25

more to remove it than just destroy it.

40:28

Yeah, it's all very underhand.

40:30

But, in defence of Trump here,

40:32

it is no different to practically

40:34

any other building project in Manhattan

40:36

in the 80s. It's not

40:39

like he's doing anything that all the

40:41

other companies aren't. This is construction in

40:43

the 80s. Yes, it's all very dodgy,

40:45

but it's all dodgy all over the

40:47

place. I think the worst crime we made

40:50

was the decor. Oh, well, jumping

40:52

ahead, Jamie. Don't worry. Oh, so sorry. Don't

40:55

worry, I covered the decor. Thank

40:57

you. I wasn't sure whether

40:59

you'd seen it, so I was going to tell you to

41:01

look it up. But we'll do that in a moment. Anyway,

41:03

Trump Tower cost over $200 million to build,

41:05

and it was a huge success.

41:08

Trump was easily going to get

41:10

that money back. Partly

41:12

because of its location. Partly

41:15

to build. It was a good

41:17

building. Partly to give Trump his

41:19

due, it was his growing abilities

41:21

because his father had been right

41:23

when he realised that Donald had

41:25

no eye for mail, but had

41:27

all the bluster and understood the

41:30

media. An example. As the Tower

41:32

near completion, Donald confidentially

41:34

called up an influential gossip magazine

41:36

and let it slip that the

41:38

Royal Family of Britain were looking

41:41

into acquiring 21 rooms in

41:43

Trump Tower. So

41:45

obviously this is now everywhere in all the

41:47

gossip columns. The Royal Family are going to

41:50

live in Trump Tower. He's a journalist. They're

41:52

not just going to take Trump's word for

41:54

it, obviously. What kind of journalism would that

41:56

be? Our Times have changed.

42:00

British royal family were contacted by

42:02

the American press. And

42:04

the British royal family did what

42:06

they usually do. No comments. ah

42:08

we're not commenting on now yeah

42:10

those in America perhaps not realizing

42:12

that this is how the foil

42:14

family in Britain operated never comment

42:16

on Stop it is you're not

42:18

get and comments on stuff like

42:20

this. and in Britain did you

42:22

realize that will probably don't comment

42:24

on stuff. However, in America they

42:26

found up gonna we couldn't possibly

42:28

say in a clicked British accents

42:30

and they went well as clearly.

42:32

ah yes then isn't. Tonight's

42:34

of that is yes Not to final

42:37

yes. seems seems like something than the

42:39

worker. So rumor spread like wildfire and

42:41

Trump Tower is soon the most desirable

42:44

new poverty to live in the mega

42:46

rich. And the story was entirely made

42:48

up by Trump about how mean no

42:50

way was passing an interest spark took

42:53

well I you can. Generate.

42:55

Interest by just lying.

42:57

Dinner was quite senior.

42:59

Yeah, it is and

43:01

this is Reddit. Believe

43:04

me I will criticize from a

43:06

lot in these allows but this

43:08

is something he as good as

43:10

he is very good at creating

43:12

a story around his house for

43:14

nothing at all because the lies

43:16

he tells us so best faced

43:18

and brazen as want to see

43:20

what has no way he'd be

43:22

making Dassault. Yeah so it works

43:24

Anyways, Jamie, you'll be pleased. Know here

43:27

we go. The crown jewel in Trump

43:29

Tower is of course his own apartments

43:31

right at the top. Ah, far larger

43:33

than any other apartments in the building.

43:35

Trump wanted this to not just be

43:37

his home but also the pace of

43:39

his business. This is where he was

43:41

going to bring people to make deals.

43:43

It had to make an impact and

43:45

so just how successful he loves and

43:47

done by this point develop so we

43:49

say certain. Dot.

43:53

It's just like if you listening an asian

43:55

not sure and James do it now to

43:58

have a lot get out and google. Trump

44:01

Tower Apartments. Oh

44:03

to say oh yeah Oh my

44:06

goodness yes it's is like what

44:08

is a mix between the size

44:10

and Colonel Gaddafi. Ah that's a

44:13

very nice White Stripes. Think that

44:15

it's not, it's all yours is

44:17

not comfortable is just insane isn't

44:20

set up. Had a good okay

44:22

trying describe what you can see

44:25

in these photos. I i don't

44:27

have the vocabulary. I mean I've

44:29

got one thousand gold yet gold

44:32

marble, On the. Last

44:35

say guess it's over. it's almost two

44:38

months or even plate you that you,

44:40

that's it is. like somebody who's never

44:42

been to Europe is trying to replicate

44:45

like offense and also Palace yeah A

44:47

or Hallion Catholic this is that for

44:49

of vibe to it and it's not

44:52

quite hitting the market. Too much smoke

44:54

from Trump in many ways is a

44:56

very simple man. He didn't he get

44:59

a squeal? Know that I would argue

45:01

Anyway, his thought process seems to have

45:03

been this gold. And marble of expensive

45:05

the more of both you have the

45:07

most successful you are. So how much

45:10

gold and marble come we fit into

45:12

this apartments? I've heard a rumor and

45:14

you might be talking honest. I don't

45:16

know that Yes has a solid gold

45:18

toilet. A solid gold but gold plated

45:20

toilets. I don't know that for fast

45:22

as that might just be one of

45:24

those other missed that He am not

45:26

surprise me but I do. I don't

45:28

know, I did not come across that

45:30

by have heard it. Fourth anyways as

45:32

space is a premium in New York.

45:34

What? Is more expensive than

45:37

gold marble. so

45:39

the only did it need to be

45:42

full of god marble he had to

45:44

be the biggest living room in manhattan

45:46

he's got that then he's clearly the

45:48

most successful and any and he had

45:50

what he wanted for a few months

45:52

anyway because then he visited a novel

45:54

apartment in the city he walked in

45:56

on his jaw drops and he was

45:58

absolutely outraged that he had just walked

46:00

into a bigger apartment than his. Aww.

46:04

So, he immediately ordered a new

46:06

architect to rip out the entire

46:08

apartment and redo it with a

46:10

bigger room. Oh. Yeah.

46:13

Oh, and put in some columns. Yeah, I

46:15

can see, I'm looking at the columns now.

46:18

Yeah, I've read a fascinating article about the

46:20

architect who was doing it and... He must

46:22

have been so stressed. Oh, well, apparently he

46:24

was, um, he went to say the columns.

46:28

He wanted to say the columns should go. Yeah.

46:31

But he opened up the conversation

46:33

with the columns are too wide,

46:35

and Trump, who was also thinking

46:37

of getting rid of the columns

46:39

as well as himself, went,

46:42

no, they're not too wide, they should

46:44

be bigger. And because he disagreed with

46:46

the architect, he then decided to keep

46:48

them anyway because he didn't want to

46:50

lose face, I see him, or he

46:52

had a change of heart. But anyway,

46:54

yeah. They are... It's

46:56

a big room, but that's a lot of columns. Yeah.

47:01

Stop a toe, what can do with

47:03

that? Anyway, the interior designer who finished

47:05

the apartment to tight specifications later told

47:08

how Donald was proudly showing off his

47:10

apartment to his associates and his family.

47:12

And apparently they would walk around with

47:15

him and make all the right noises

47:17

until he left the room, and

47:20

then they burst out laughing. And

47:22

they said things like, and it's interesting what you

47:24

said, because they said the same, one

47:26

of them was that it looked like a casino,

47:28

and the other one was it looked like Louis

47:30

XIV on LSD. I

47:33

like that. Yeah.

47:37

But who can account for taste, hey?

47:39

And Donald is happy with his apartment, and he's

47:41

the one who has to live there. So if

47:43

he is happy, that's all that matters. Yeah. So

47:46

he has got his very golden marble

47:48

apartment, and it is the best apartment

47:50

in Manhattan he could reasonably argue. So

47:53

he is very happy with it. And

47:55

he is at the peak Of

47:58

his business career at this point. He

48:02

when he was at the peak of

48:04

his business career At that point is

48:06

this is when things start going downhill

48:08

and we are roughly in the mid

48:10

eighties. Sona the city is sick I

48:12

think gathers his kiss. The former thought

48:14

he had the idea is that the

48:16

this also marks the end of his

48:18

father staring things in the background or

48:20

the deals he's done. So far the

48:22

whole town's from Tower fret. Trump's been

48:24

pulling the strings in the background, making

48:26

the connections, making sure things happen. Fred's

48:28

getting on an age now and he's

48:30

pretty much letting Donald takeover. Anyway,

48:32

what's gonna do next? He's got Trump Tower, He's

48:34

got his hotels. What? What's next? step? Seen

48:37

a yeah you got it. Donald

48:39

applies for at gambling license that

48:42

Atlantic City I'm only was this

48:44

an obvious wins. But. It would

48:46

get him away from his father's influence.

48:49

Map. Is a eat Would prove

48:51

to himself that he could be

48:53

successful outside New York without his

48:55

father. Police are. Not

48:58

using the many political ties that he

49:01

now personally had, he was able to

49:03

buy you a small casino and Atlantic

49:05

City and he was partners with Harass

49:08

or to the company. The idea was

49:10

a truck would oversee construction, harass would

49:12

operate the property size division of house.

49:15

Trump has no experience and running see

49:17

know after well he's in constructions. A

49:19

Hindu. The buildings there when the

49:21

casino magnate absolute sense the last

49:24

actually quite savvy. get on to

49:26

see me, can do get exactly

49:28

to listen to him. Opens and

49:30

Eighty Four however there were problems

49:32

immediately. Harass was known as a

49:34

low state venue. it was the

49:36

name on the cheaper. And

49:39

Trump always demanding the best.

49:42

had built high rollers seats in the

49:44

hotel thousand so it didn't see any

49:46

word the people going to that no

49:48

couldn't afford the rooms and the people

49:51

who could afford to lose for go

49:53

to different the scene i don't intend

49:55

to change this the name was changed

49:57

from harass at trump plaza to simply

50:00

Trump Plaza. Shortly after

50:02

this, Haras get out, worried about the future

50:04

of venture. They were worried that this big

50:06

push in casinos in Atlantic City that was

50:09

happening, because gambling had only just become legal

50:11

in the state, they

50:13

were worried that it was a bit of a

50:15

bubble that was going to burst. So they get

50:17

out and they sell their share of the business

50:19

to Trump. So now Trump is

50:21

running the casino. Yeah, but

50:23

it'd be fine. How high can a casino be to run?

50:26

So by this point, just to recap,

50:28

Trump has got the Hyatt Hotel, he's

50:31

got Trump Tower, he's got Trump Plaza

50:33

in New York, which I skipped, it

50:35

was another property, and Trump Plaza in

50:37

Atlantic City. They all have value. Yeah.

50:39

And if you believe Trump's assessment of

50:42

them, he was by now a billionaire.

50:44

They're doing very, very well. Let's just

50:46

hope there are any tax audits or lawsuits

50:48

that challenge that in the future. Well, this

50:50

is the thing, despite the fact he had

50:53

all these very expensive properties, he actually has

50:55

very little money, because it's all

50:57

tied up in these future investments. That's why you're

50:59

a billionaire, though, you sort of keep get out

51:01

of loans based on the value of your assets.

51:04

Yes, exactly. So that's how he's able to keep

51:06

it going, because I can obviously afford to pay

51:08

you back to look at all these massive businesses

51:10

I've got. Yes. Now he knew

51:13

he had very little actual money, but

51:15

that didn't matter because he was a big

51:17

name now and that got doors open so

51:19

he could just keep opening

51:21

doors, especially banks and investment firms.

51:24

Soon enough, Trump had more potential money

51:26

than he knew what to do with

51:29

the banks were falling over themselves to

51:31

give him money. Not actual money money,

51:33

but money he could invest in properties

51:36

and businesses and surely that work out.

51:38

The guy's a genius. He keeps telling

51:40

us. So

51:43

he thought just like the marble and

51:45

the gold, very simple thought. If

51:47

one is good, two is better.

51:50

If one casino is good, two

51:53

casinos is twice as good.

51:55

In fact, why not three casinos?

51:58

Why not four casinos? Well,

52:01

actually, there was a state law that said you

52:03

could only own three casinos, that's why not four,

52:05

but hey, he could get three. Now,

52:08

common business sense would perhaps argue

52:10

that operating three casinos in direct

52:12

competition with each other in a

52:15

very narrow market was perhaps not

52:17

the best idea. But Trump went

52:19

ahead and soon bought the Atlantic

52:21

Hilton and renamed it Trump Castle,

52:23

and then a third casino that

52:25

he called Trump Taj Mahal. Oh,

52:32

maybe coffee is so funny. Yeah,

52:35

this is one of these things where

52:37

I think in distance, given a couple

52:39

of hundred years when historians are looking

52:41

at this time, Trump's naming conventions, I

52:43

think, will raise eyebrows because there'll be

52:45

lots of other things being said. This

52:47

will be lost until people look into

52:49

it and people will be saying things like, I'm

52:51

sorry, he caught his casinos, what? But

52:54

it comes back to that being grandiose, isn't

52:57

it? To being big and amazing. Being big.

53:00

The Taj Mahal is the biggest thing, the castle

53:02

is strong, powerful. Yeah, yeah. It's

53:04

simple, effective marketing. Slap

53:07

your name on it, your massive letters, give

53:09

it a strong name, and people will like

53:12

it. And it works. Yep.

53:15

It's brash and it's bold and it's a

53:17

sledgehammer approach to things, but you can't argue

53:19

that things like this do work. If

53:22

the businesses will run well. Anyway, Trump

53:26

decides that he's had enough

53:29

of getting partners in, so he

53:31

was going to run these three casinos himself,

53:33

or at what point he was going to

53:35

delegate it to staff. In

53:37

particular, he put the Hilton Trump

53:39

Castle in charge of the very

53:41

experienced running casinos. Let me check

53:44

my notes here. Oh yes, it

53:46

was Avania. Avania. Oh,

53:48

wonderful. She went

53:50

and ran that hotel. The

53:52

Olympic skier? Yes, yeah. Well,

53:56

not actually an Olympic skier, but a very good

53:58

skier. Very good skier. A very good skier. Oh,

54:00

yeah, yeah, and and who knows maybe

54:02

she was better at running casino than

54:05

I would be but I would argue

54:07

true I would argue perhaps more experienced

54:09

people could have run casinos better, but

54:12

Trump liked to keep business in the

54:14

family because he could trust those people.

54:16

Yes, however that said his

54:18

brother Robert His younger

54:20

brother wanted to run that casino and he was

54:23

very angry When Evania was

54:25

put in there instead so a bit

54:27

of friction in the family anyway as

54:29

Trump is applying for licenses Or at

54:31

the gambling and finding funding etc There

54:34

were some who highlighted the lack of

54:36

experience that Trump had as in the

54:38

people issuing the gambling licenses and the

54:41

Permits to build and stuff some people

54:43

in the government were going should we be giving

54:45

this to Trump? Has he got any experience whatsoever?

54:48

Yeah, but Trump was on a roll at this

54:50

point and he was very good at

54:52

self promoting his own image investors invested

54:54

because it was It's

54:59

around this time that the Forbes 400 list

55:02

was created before and

55:05

When it was created it listed

55:07

the 400 richest Americans Trump

55:10

was outraged that he was not on

55:12

it Like I said most of his

55:14

money was actually in investments that hadn't

55:16

come to fruition yet So

55:19

he shouldn't have been on it But Trump did

55:21

not let it go two years after

55:23

the first list Trump was determined to

55:25

get on So he started phoning up

55:28

people in particular he phoned one of

55:30

the lead reporters who compiles the Forbes

55:32

400 list and pretended

55:34

to be John Barron John

55:37

Barron is a Trump alter

55:40

ego Trump would

55:42

often phone up people pretending to

55:44

be working for the Trump organization

55:47

A spokesperson for Donald Trump. He'd

55:49

call himself John Barron That

55:52

is interesting. He named his

55:55

younger son. He named his younger

55:57

son after his own alter ego

56:00

interesting. I'm not sure what that says, but

56:03

it's a thing. It's definitely a

56:05

thing. Yeah. Anyway, John

56:08

Baron argued to this reporter

56:10

that all of Fred Trump's wealth was actually

56:12

his now. His, I mean, sorry,

56:14

my boss is honest. I'm

56:17

John Baron, not Donald.

56:20

Yeah. Anyway, Forbes eventually decides

56:22

that Trump was worth 100 million,

56:24

which manages to scrape him onto the

56:27

list. However, this

56:30

is just false. The claims have

56:32

been looked into since, and

56:34

people have actually worked out how much he was worth at

56:36

this time. And if Forbes

56:39

had not just taken John Baron's word for

56:41

it, Trump's worth would actually

56:44

have been 5 million

56:46

at this point. Oh, wow.

56:48

That is it. Of actual

56:50

liquid money, of stuff that he can get his

56:53

hands on, 5 million is

56:55

it. Everything else is

56:57

bluster. Interesting. Yeah. I

57:00

keep saying that, but that is not the public

57:03

perception at all. Donald is riding

57:05

a high. Everything he does at

57:07

this point is being heralded as

57:09

a success, mostly by him, but

57:11

the media buy into it. He

57:14

actually owes various banks hundreds of

57:16

millions by this point, because all

57:19

of the different loans he was

57:21

taking out rapidly, continuously,

57:23

but that is the investment game.

57:26

It's all about borrowing, investing, and moving

57:28

around the imaginary money that doesn't

57:30

actually exist. So he buys

57:32

up more land in Manhattan, land that he

57:34

had tried to get when he first started

57:36

out, that he couldn't when he gets it

57:38

now. So it's doing even better in New

57:40

York. And it's around this time that he

57:42

buys Mar-a-Lago. Yes,

57:45

Mar-a-Lago is in Palm

57:47

Beach in Florida. It had been built in

57:49

the 20s during a Floridian

57:51

land boom. It's builder had then

57:54

bequeathed the property to the National

57:56

Park Service, hoping it could be used

57:58

for public goods. Maybe. who knows.

58:01

Ironically, maybe a winter White

58:03

House for the president to stay in. Oh. Was

58:06

one of the ideas, yeah, which is interesting. Well,

58:08

that paid off. Well, yeah. However, the

58:12

state couldn't keep it. The upkeep was too expensive,

58:14

so they put it up for sale. Trump

58:16

was interested instantly. This was his

58:19

ideal idea of a mansion. It

58:21

was big, it was bold, it

58:23

was in your face. There

58:26

was no subtlety about Mar-a-Lago. And

58:29

also a great place to store documents. Oh,

58:31

yeah, it had lots of bathrooms. I'll

58:34

say we'll get into that later, but we won't. That's

58:37

post-presidency. Maybe we'll mention

58:39

it briefly. Anyway, Mar-a-Lago makes a

58:41

statement. He and Evania

58:43

had seen it years before and loved it, so

58:45

Trump goes after it. He's going to buy it.

58:49

Again, the details are very convoluted in

58:51

him buying this property, and I'm not

58:53

going to pretend to understand the ins

58:55

and outs of mortgages from a New

58:57

York bank for a Florida property in

58:59

the 1980s. Yeah. Because I

59:01

started looking into it and my head started hurting.

59:04

But I'm going to summarize. Trump

59:06

had a business partner high

59:08

up in a bank that gave Trump

59:10

a mortgage for Mar-a-Lago. So here, have

59:12

a mortgage. But it was a very

59:14

unusual mortgage. It was,

59:17

for various law-bending reasons, more

59:19

of a personal loan than a mortgage.

59:22

And it was guaranteed by Trump's net worth,

59:25

not how much he actually had. It

59:27

was also, and this is the important thing, unrecorded.

59:31

So in other words, it was a

59:33

loan that was concealed from public record.

59:36

No one could see it. I mean,

59:38

ins and outs sounds a bit dodgy, right? It does

59:40

a little bit. Why do you have to do that?

59:43

Well, in the end, and it's hard to

59:45

pin down because Trump, again, constantly has changed

59:48

his story on this, and they actually end

59:50

up going to court to argue the value

59:52

of the property and this whole court case

59:54

going on. But Trump

59:56

paid around $10 million for the property.

1:00:00

alone was in secret, he announced to

1:00:02

the world that he paid cash. And

1:00:05

no one else couldn't say otherwise. Again,

1:00:07

he's coming across as if he's got all

1:00:09

this money. Which he doesn't.

1:00:12

Guess how much of his actual money he

1:00:14

spent on Mar-a-Lago? He does spend some

1:00:16

money. Er, five dollars. A

1:00:19

little bit too low there. Two thousand eight

1:00:21

hundred and twelve dollars he spent on Mar-a-Lago.

1:00:23

What? I could have paid for that. I

1:00:26

know. It's

1:00:28

insane, isn't it? And everything else

1:00:30

is just from friends in high

1:00:32

places giving him very dodgy loans.

1:00:35

Yeah. Anyway, Trump decided to expand

1:00:38

his growing empire in Florida. He was

1:00:40

doing very well in Manhattan. He's

1:00:43

got Atlantic City up and going, so

1:00:45

let's move to Florida. Oh,

1:00:47

but he soon hit some problems. He didn't know

1:00:49

Florida. Alligators. Yeah, he

1:00:51

bought a thirty-two story condo. He

1:00:53

called it Trump Plaza

1:00:56

of the Palm Beach. Because you can't

1:00:58

have too many Trump Plazas. But

1:01:00

he even didn't realise or didn't care that

1:01:02

this location was not a good location. It

1:01:05

was described as buying

1:01:07

a condo on the shore of New Jersey

1:01:10

and boasting that it had a view of

1:01:12

Manhattan. That's where it is in

1:01:14

Florida. You could see the nice part from the windows,

1:01:16

but you weren't in it. Yeah.

1:01:19

That's not to put down New Jersey, by the

1:01:21

way. That wasn't my word, so that was someone

1:01:23

else's. New Jersey is clearly the best state because it

1:01:25

gave us Bruce Springsteen. We all know this. Yeah.

1:01:28

Anyway, the lobby of Trump Plaza

1:01:31

on the Palm Beach was decorated

1:01:33

with elephant skin chairs and lever

1:01:35

wall panels. Yeah. And

1:01:38

he waited for people to buy the

1:01:40

apartments. Two years later, only

1:01:42

ninety-three out of the two hundred and

1:01:45

twenty-one were purchased. Meanwhile,

1:01:47

Trump had been lobbying local politicians

1:01:49

to close the airport that was

1:01:51

nearby or at least put a

1:01:53

no-fly zone over the

1:01:55

Mar-a-Lago estate. He had become

1:01:58

obsessed with this. furious

1:02:00

that planes flew over his mansion.

1:02:02

He spent the sound or just

1:02:05

for the indignation

1:02:07

that you know, why are you flying

1:02:09

over my house? It's my airspace. You'd

1:02:11

think that, wouldn't you? But then actually

1:02:13

stop and think about what we know

1:02:15

about Trump. What else is a consequence

1:02:17

of planes flying over property? Apart

1:02:20

from the immediate noise and stuff,

1:02:22

troll, it devalues the property. Oh

1:02:25

yeah, of course. If he can stop the planes flying over

1:02:27

it, he would immediately be able to turn around and sell

1:02:30

it for a higher price. All

1:02:32

about the business deals. That's what it's for.

1:02:34

But he becomes a bugbear. He becomes obsessed

1:02:36

with this at this point. He spends ages

1:02:38

trying to convince politicians to take up his

1:02:41

cause. None of them bite.

1:02:43

His proposals were ridiculous. In

1:02:46

the court case, which I mentioned a moment ago

1:02:48

over the value of Mar-a-Lago, because

1:02:50

it was all a bit dodgy him buying

1:02:52

it, he would refuse to talk if there

1:02:54

was even a faint sound of a plane.

1:02:57

And he would loudly say that the airport

1:02:59

was a disaster. This

1:03:01

was particularly ironic because Trump's

1:03:03

private plane was so loud that

1:03:05

it was banned from taking off from

1:03:07

this very airport at night. Yeah.

1:03:12

Well, you know, his car's been actually loud when he

1:03:14

gets... Yeah. ...that kind of plane. So

1:03:18

I just really like that search. After all of

1:03:20

this, oh, he hates the airport, he hates the

1:03:22

airport. He's got a bloody plane there, which is

1:03:24

really loud. Anyway,

1:03:28

Trump soon gets fed up with Florida.

1:03:30

He wasn't getting very far. The people

1:03:32

seem to be mocking him. There were

1:03:34

regular headlines in the papers that said

1:03:36

things like Trump the chump. He just

1:03:38

didn't feel popular down there. The politicians

1:03:40

were clearly avoiding him. He didn't like

1:03:43

it down there. He wanted to go

1:03:45

back to Manhattan. That's where he lived.

1:03:47

That's where his apartment was. Yeah, he's

1:03:49

got to go back there. Now, he loved

1:03:52

Mar-a-Lago, the mansion, but

1:03:54

Trump saw it as a way to show off to

1:03:56

his clients. It wasn't really somewhere he wanted to live.

1:03:58

His heart was still in New York. Because

1:04:00

back home he was working on the project

1:04:02

that he was most invested in. What do

1:04:04

you think it is? Trump

1:04:07

University? No, it was

1:04:09

his own self-image. Oh,

1:04:12

hehehe. Yeah. He, and

1:04:14

I'm not just saying that flippantly, he really

1:04:17

ratchets it up at this

1:04:19

point. He's self-promoting like there's

1:04:21

no tomorrow, pouring all of

1:04:23

his time into self-promotion because

1:04:25

the businesses are just kind of ticking

1:04:27

over and he's done the buying and

1:04:30

the deal apart and he's bored of

1:04:32

them just running as businesses. So, self-promotion

1:04:34

now. There were several things he wanted

1:04:36

to do to promote himself. First of

1:04:38

all, if he was rich he should

1:04:40

really own a football team. That's

1:04:43

what rich people owned. He'd been in talks with

1:04:45

various people since the early 1980s. Now,

1:04:48

as we have established on this show, we

1:04:51

are no American

1:04:53

sports experts, are we? I

1:04:55

watched a bit of American football a few years ago. It's

1:04:58

boring, I don't understand it. Yeah, I

1:05:01

think we tried to figure out what

1:05:03

the positions in baseball were at one

1:05:05

point or something. Oh no, it was

1:05:07

football, wasn't it? Yeah, it was football,

1:05:09

wasn't it? But I think we

1:05:11

are both happy with the idea that

1:05:13

in America you've got like two football

1:05:15

league things going on. You've

1:05:18

got the college game and you've got the

1:05:20

professional game, the NFL. Yeah? Collegiate and NFL,

1:05:22

yes. Yeah, yeah. There we go. However,

1:05:25

what you might not know, and

1:05:27

I certainly didn't, is back in

1:05:29

the mid-80s there was a new

1:05:31

professional league starting up. This was

1:05:33

the USFL and the idea was

1:05:35

you were going to have the

1:05:37

NFL and the USFL and

1:05:39

they were both going to run at different

1:05:41

times in the year so they didn't compete

1:05:43

with each other and you had two leagues

1:05:45

going on. More football, more fun, more money

1:05:47

being made, every once and a while. Yeah?

1:05:50

That's the idea. Now,

1:05:52

obviously this is a brand new league so

1:05:54

it was nowhere near as prestigious as the

1:05:56

NFL but that also meant that if you

1:05:58

want to win the league, you can win the league. wanted to buy

1:06:00

one of the teams, you could buy them

1:06:02

at a fraction of the

1:06:05

cost of an NFL team. So Trump

1:06:07

decides he's going to buy one of these cheap

1:06:09

teams instead of one of the expensive ones in

1:06:11

the NFL. But because he's

1:06:14

a business genius, he's not just going

1:06:16

to buy a team and try and work with them to do

1:06:18

well, what he's going to do

1:06:20

is he's going to buy a USFL team

1:06:22

and then convert it into an NFL team.

1:06:26

So then suddenly they'd be worth 10 times as much.

1:06:28

The plan is simple in broad

1:06:30

strokes. Number one,

1:06:33

buy a cheap USFL team. Number

1:06:35

two, the USFL at the moment was not

1:06:37

in direct competition with the NFL, like I

1:06:39

say, they played at different times of the

1:06:41

year. But if Trump used his

1:06:44

influence to push for the USFL to play

1:06:46

at the same time as the NFL, it

1:06:48

would then hopefully force a merger

1:06:51

between the two leagues. Step

1:06:54

three, he's now got an NFL team. Step

1:06:57

for profit. I felt like a

1:06:59

long, long term plan as well. That's not gonna

1:07:01

happen in the year, is it? Not

1:07:03

a year, but they try and do it

1:07:05

fairly quickly. The plan plays out almost perfectly

1:07:07

to begin with. Trump buys a

1:07:09

team and Trump is such a big name at

1:07:12

this point. He's not just in charge of this

1:07:14

team. He's now a big voice in the USFL.

1:07:16

So yeah, the people in charge of the league,

1:07:18

he is now in there with them. And

1:07:21

Trump convinces them that against their original

1:07:23

plans, they should move the time when

1:07:26

the league play to exactly the same

1:07:28

time as the NFL plays. And

1:07:30

then what they should do is sue

1:07:32

the NFL for having an anomaly.

1:07:36

This would damage the NFL and they'd be forced

1:07:38

to merger. I'm sure America would love that, right?

1:07:42

This is a textbook business

1:07:44

hostile takeover by

1:07:46

two sports league. Off

1:07:49

they go. Trump was a major part of

1:07:51

the trial because they do move, they do.

1:07:53

So this goes to trial, really? Yeah. The

1:07:57

he didn't do too well in the trial. NFL

1:08:00

were able to clearly show that Trump

1:08:02

did not care about football. Trump

1:08:04

was saying this was all about his

1:08:06

love for the game and how it was an

1:08:08

outrage that the NFL had a monopoly and the

1:08:11

hard-working Americans loved their football, they

1:08:13

should support the underdogs, which

1:08:16

is the USFL. But the NFL

1:08:18

were able to turn around and go, no, look

1:08:21

at the guy, he's not even a football

1:08:23

fan, he's clearly making money here. They were

1:08:25

able to use his own words against him

1:08:27

because Trump... I know

1:08:29

nothing about football. Trump wasn't subtle in this plan, he

1:08:31

kept telling people what a genius move it was and

1:08:34

he was telling people this is what he was going

1:08:36

to do, so they were able to use his own

1:08:38

words against him. However, when

1:08:41

the jury came back, they

1:08:43

found the NFL guilty of

1:08:45

antitrust policies. Trump

1:08:47

was ecstatic, he was going to make a

1:08:49

fortune from this. However,

1:08:52

the fine then came through, it

1:08:54

was decided that the NFL had

1:08:56

to pay the USFL, guess how

1:08:58

much? I want to go for a

1:09:00

ridiculous like $5 or something. That

1:09:03

is ridiculous, you're five times too high, $1.

1:09:07

That's brilliant. Which

1:09:10

to be fair was tripled

1:09:12

to $3 because antitrust fines

1:09:15

are automatically tripled. Why

1:09:18

is it actually tripled? That's

1:09:20

ridiculous. It's like, it should be this.

1:09:24

It's to stop monopolies from forming. We've

1:09:26

got to find it now, let's really

1:09:28

make it even. That's why. So that

1:09:30

$1 becoming $3. I'll

1:09:33

bet that hurt. Well

1:09:36

in other words, what had happened

1:09:38

here is that the jury, after

1:09:40

listening to Trump talk for several

1:09:42

days, had decided that yes, technically

1:09:44

actually the NFL had broken some

1:09:46

trust laws. However, Trump did not

1:09:48

deserve to benefit from this. So

1:09:50

they found the NFL guilty but

1:09:52

then punished Trump. Trump was

1:09:54

furious but not as furious as the

1:09:57

football fans because this breaks the

1:09:59

USFL. It's full soon

1:10:01

after the promising second league

1:10:03

never happens. All the football

1:10:05

fans were just left with less football It's

1:10:08

true that I think you know that's true of billionaires.

1:10:10

They do try to make uh, they try and buy

1:10:12

football teams like um In

1:10:14

uh, wwe vince mcmahon who is

1:10:17

uh currently living in shame Um,

1:10:20

he's tried to Oh, don't

1:10:23

you know? No, it's wrestling. Oh

1:10:26

Oh, no, this is wrestling this is real life. Um, just Yeah,

1:10:29

but it's just look at is it a

1:10:31

wrestler vince mcmahon. He owns the wwe he's

1:10:33

like oh Okay.

1:10:35

Oh, no, I think I know the guy he's got like a

1:10:38

big face I don't know. Maybe

1:10:40

he's not but he's definitely got a face. I've got a

1:10:42

face. Yeah, okay Right. Um, but

1:10:44

yeah, he he actually tried to create his own american

1:10:48

football league And he's tried

1:10:50

to do it twice the first time just collapsed because

1:10:52

nobody watched it He tried to do

1:10:54

it a second time then covid hit and it

1:10:56

collapsed. Yeah, this is this is nothing new Um,

1:10:59

it certainly still happens. You remember with um

1:11:01

with like real football a couple of years

1:11:03

ago They tried to start a super league

1:11:06

or something didn't they? Oh, yeah, and they

1:11:08

got fined or sued Yeah, that's that apart

1:11:10

immediately Yeah So this this kind of thing

1:11:12

happens a lot rich people try and make

1:11:15

more money using sports teams and hey sometimes

1:11:17

it works In this case, it certainly didn't

1:11:19

trump losers Anyway, meanwhile

1:11:21

what's going on in his life on a

1:11:23

personal level one of the closest people to

1:11:25

him was dying His mentor

1:11:27

roy kone was dying of AIDS

1:11:31

Now due to the stigma at the

1:11:33

time kone told everyone that it was

1:11:35

cancer publicly But everyone who knew him

1:11:37

knew that it was AIDS Trump sensing

1:11:39

weakness started to distance himself from his

1:11:41

father figure causing a rift between the

1:11:43

two When kone asked donald

1:11:46

for a room in one of

1:11:48

his buildings for his boyfriend

1:11:50

Who was now dying of AIDS to stay in?

1:11:52

Trump offered him a room. Okay, you can use

1:11:54

one of my rooms. That's fine but

1:11:57

then Sent a bill for the room

1:12:00

to Roy. Roy

1:12:02

Cohn was just devastated by this and

1:12:04

I'll quote him, I can't believe he

1:12:06

is doing this to me, Donald S***

1:12:09

is ice water. Anyway,

1:12:12

the relationship didn't break down completely, however,

1:12:14

the two still talked on the phone,

1:12:16

but by the time Cohn died, Trump

1:12:19

was not asked to speak at the

1:12:21

funeral. Those close to Cohn said that

1:12:23

Cohn's protege had abandoned him, and therefore

1:12:25

he didn't deserve to speak. So

1:12:28

yeah, they're really distant at the

1:12:30

end there. This follows a precedent

1:12:32

where various times in his life

1:12:35

Trump has expressed disgust or fear

1:12:37

at people who are not well

1:12:40

or in any way disabled. This

1:12:42

seems to pop up with Trump

1:12:44

a lot, he gets very uncomfortable

1:12:46

when he's around people ill of

1:12:48

health or not in his mind

1:12:50

perfectly formed. We will come

1:12:53

across this again in the future. Yes, it

1:12:55

seems like, yeah, he just, as soon as

1:12:57

his mentor got ill, he just did not

1:12:59

want anything to do with him anymore. Because

1:13:01

he hates honor.

1:13:03

He's a South, South

1:13:05

contested germaphobe, he calls it South of

1:13:07

germaphobe a lot. Okay. Yes, in fact

1:13:09

he used that as defense way he

1:13:12

didn't get urinated on in a Russian

1:13:14

hotel room. He said he wouldn't do

1:13:16

that because he's a germaphobe. So he's

1:13:18

fair, that probably just holds some ground.

1:13:20

Yeah, I mean, it does. I can

1:13:22

imagine that. Anyway. He must hate again

1:13:25

COVID then, my goodness. Oh, we're getting

1:13:27

to that. We will.

1:13:30

Anyway, despite some personal and business

1:13:32

setbacks, Trump is still determined to

1:13:34

present himself as a financial genius. And

1:13:37

it was around this time that he beat

1:13:39

an idea. The football thing didn't work, but

1:13:41

he's going to promote. So why not write

1:13:43

a book? Well, not

1:13:45

actually write a book, obviously. Why not pay someone

1:13:48

to ghost write a book? Yeah. The

1:13:50

idea first came after he'd been interviewed

1:13:53

for GQ back in 1984.

1:13:55

He was told by the owner of the

1:13:57

magazine that if he published a book,

1:14:00

And that sort of weasels its way into Trump's mind

1:14:03

and he'll start to think about it. A couple of

1:14:05

years later, yeah he's gonna do it, he's gonna write

1:14:07

this book, or get it written anyway, but

1:14:09

who'd write it? Now this is

1:14:11

interesting. A couple of years previously,

1:14:13

a man named Schwartz had written

1:14:16

an article which outlined how brutally

1:14:18

Trump treated his tenants, highlighting

1:14:20

one practice where Trump would employ

1:14:23

homeless people to hang around the

1:14:25

tenants that he wanted out of

1:14:27

his buildings. Bloody hell, really?

1:14:30

Yeah. So Schwartz uncovered this and wrote

1:14:32

an article about it essentially saying, isn't

1:14:35

Trump awful? For whatever reason,

1:14:37

Trump loved this article. It's

1:14:39

a tension. A

1:14:41

tension? But also it makes

1:14:43

him strong. He is a man

1:14:45

you don't mess with. If you mess with Trump

1:14:48

he will figure out a way to kick you

1:14:50

out of your apartment. I can only assume that

1:14:52

is. But anyway, Trump wanted Schwartz

1:14:54

to write his book. So

1:14:56

Schwartz got a phone call one day, he

1:14:58

was absolutely amazed. I'm sorry, what?

1:15:00

You want me to write your book? Could

1:15:02

I hate you? Well, they

1:15:05

met and Trump told Schwartz that

1:15:07

he wanted to write his autobiography.

1:15:09

Now Schwartz laughed about it and

1:15:11

said, and I quote, not only

1:15:14

38, you don't have a biography

1:15:16

yet. You're not old enough

1:15:18

essentially, which someone really

1:15:20

needed to point out to

1:15:22

Obama as well. I was

1:15:24

going to say. Yeah. But

1:15:27

it's okay, so Schwartz, we could do something

1:15:29

else. How about you

1:15:31

write a book, or I write the book

1:15:33

for you, about your best business deals. Let's

1:15:35

not do your life. Let's do

1:15:37

your business deals. Now Trump loved that

1:15:39

idea immediately. That was far better than

1:15:42

the biography. Yeah,

1:15:44

it could all be about his

1:15:46

business deals. Fantastic. So he practically

1:15:49

hires Schwartz on the spot. So

1:15:51

Schwartz starts interviewing Trump, but comes

1:15:53

across a problem. Trump had no

1:15:55

attention span or interest in creating

1:15:57

the book. He just wanted the book to be done. That's

1:16:01

how quote Schwartz here, it's impossible to

1:16:03

keep him focused on any topic other

1:16:05

than his own south aggrandizement for more

1:16:07

than a few minutes. So Schwartz, getting

1:16:10

desperate, stayed with the Trump's at Malolago

1:16:12

for a weekend, but Trump just soon

1:16:14

grew angry at all the questions. He's

1:16:17

just been pestered. About

1:16:19

to give up, Schwartz came up with one

1:16:21

last-ditch idea that would probably be rejected, but

1:16:23

it's the only way he can see of

1:16:26

doing this. He proposed to Trump, why don't

1:16:28

I just follow you everywhere and why don't

1:16:30

we set up your phone so I can

1:16:32

listen in on all of your calls? Trump

1:16:35

loved the idea. He didn't see this as

1:16:38

an invasion of his privacy or anything. He

1:16:41

thought, brilliant, this way I don't have to do

1:16:43

anything different, I can just be me and this

1:16:45

guy writing my book will see what I do

1:16:47

and then he can write the book and I

1:16:49

don't need to change anything. Fantastic. That's what they

1:16:51

do. At 18 months, Schwartz

1:16:53

becomes Trump's shadow and probably finds

1:16:55

out more about Trump than anyone

1:16:57

else ever has. He

1:16:59

soon starts to get to know how

1:17:01

Trump deals with people. He would, in

1:17:03

the bulk of conversations, flatter, bully or

1:17:05

shout at people, depending on who he

1:17:07

was talking to. And then to sign

1:17:09

off, he would tell the other person, regardless

1:17:12

of who it was or whether

1:17:14

he had been bullying, shouting or flattering, he

1:17:16

would tell that person his latest success, just

1:17:19

to sign off. By the way, I've done

1:17:21

this. And then he would end

1:17:23

every single conversation, regardless of the call, with

1:17:25

an I quote, you're the best and then

1:17:27

he'd hang up. And that's how he

1:17:29

operated on his phone. Which, yeah,

1:17:32

it's interesting. Again, it's that just keep building up

1:17:34

your image, building up your image. Yeah. To not

1:17:36

who you're talking to. Oh, by the way, I've

1:17:39

done this great thing. Yeah. He just shouted at

1:17:41

someone for 20 minutes. Yeah.

1:17:43

You're a piece of crap. I hate you.

1:17:45

You're the best. Bye. Yeah.

1:17:49

Yeah. That's how he talks

1:17:51

to people. Anyway, Schwartz got

1:17:53

his information, but soon realised another

1:17:55

problem once he was listening in

1:17:57

on phone calls. Trump lied all

1:17:59

day. that's Ahem, like all of

1:18:01

it's Ahem. What? Yes. He

1:18:04

would regularly tell different people completely different things

1:18:06

about the same events. And he would tell

1:18:09

Schwartz things that had happened on the phone

1:18:11

call that he had just listened to that

1:18:14

weren't true. So Schwartz would walk into

1:18:16

the room after he listened to the phone call and

1:18:18

Trump would tell him that a different conversation had taken

1:18:20

place. I can't believe Trump would

1:18:22

do that. Well, either Trump had forgotten that

1:18:24

Schwartz was listening on the phone, or

1:18:28

he just didn't care that Schwartz

1:18:30

knew he was lying. It just

1:18:32

came second nature to him. Quote

1:18:34

Schwartz, he lied strategically. He had

1:18:36

a complete lack of conscience about

1:18:39

it. Since most people

1:18:41

are constrained by the truth, Trump's indifference

1:18:43

to it gave him a strange advantage.

1:18:46

Gave him a pallor. He just didn't care if

1:18:48

people knew he was lying. There was no embarrassment

1:18:50

about it at all. He just lied and sometimes

1:18:52

it stuck. And if he didn't, he'd shrug it

1:18:54

off. By the way, Schwartz eventually finished his book.

1:18:57

Out of the deal, it's written as Trump

1:18:59

and Trump comes across as the hero in

1:19:01

every single chapter. You'll be shocked to learn.

1:19:04

Any bad deal in his life was simply left out.

1:19:06

It was released in 87 and

1:19:09

instantly became a New York Times bestseller. Trump

1:19:11

obviously claimed that he wrote it himself.

1:19:14

It instantly made Trump more famous and

1:19:16

solidified the idea that he was a

1:19:18

financial genius. Schwartz

1:19:21

himself later deeply regretted writing the book,

1:19:23

saying that he had, and I quote,

1:19:25

put lipstick on a pig and saying

1:19:27

that he should have called the book

1:19:29

sociopath. But

1:19:33

that was much later. And for now, Trump

1:19:35

was riding a high. It's nice to think

1:19:37

as well that Trump's never read the book

1:19:39

as well because I don't get the feeling

1:19:41

he reads. No, he's, yeah,

1:19:43

he famously does not read many

1:19:46

books. But I don't know a book all about

1:19:48

himself, maybe. No,

1:19:50

I doubt his credit. He

1:19:52

had someone read it and tell him about it. Oh,

1:19:54

maybe. Anyway, like I say, he's

1:19:56

riding a high. He's now a big name in

1:19:58

the world as well. being rich. It's got

1:20:01

to the point where he's wading into political debates

1:20:03

in New York. In one particularly

1:20:05

disturbing case, it's where he decided

1:20:07

that the world needed to listen to him

1:20:10

after a rape of a woman in Central

1:20:12

Park in 1989. Oh,

1:20:14

yes. Yes. Now, we don't

1:20:16

have time to go into this in detail. If

1:20:19

you don't want to go and

1:20:21

read books and things about it,

1:20:23

there is a fantastic dramatization of

1:20:25

it called When They See Us

1:20:27

on Netflix. Very, very good series,

1:20:29

which is mostly accurate. So go

1:20:31

and watch that if you just

1:20:33

want to get a sense. But

1:20:35

here, Cliff notes, five teenagers of

1:20:37

black and Hispanic ethnicity were arrested

1:20:39

in Central Park for the rape

1:20:41

of this woman, and they were

1:20:43

intimidated until they confessed to the

1:20:45

crime. Now, later, DNA evidence

1:20:48

proves that they did not do it.

1:20:50

This is no longer up to dispute.

1:20:52

They are innocent. It is a fact.

1:20:54

However, at the time, Trump spent $85,000,

1:20:56

that's the modern equivalent of roughly $200,000,

1:20:59

to take out a follow page adverse

1:21:05

in The New York Times, stating that

1:21:07

the death penalty should be brought back

1:21:09

for the five teenagers. In

1:21:11

fact, I will quote the advert here,

1:21:13

I want to hate these muggers and

1:21:16

murderers. They should be forced to suffer.

1:21:18

I want to hate these murderers,

1:21:20

and I always will. How can

1:21:22

our great society tolerate the continued

1:21:24

brutalization of its citizens by crazed

1:21:26

misfits? Criminals must be told that

1:21:29

their civil liberties end when an

1:21:31

attack on our safety begins. Well,

1:21:34

I'm assuming this was

1:21:36

like released when people

1:21:38

didn't know. Yeah. So this was when... So

1:21:40

he's talking on a bandwagon. It's a tension.

1:21:43

He wants to look like a good guy

1:21:45

in a... And a hardliner

1:21:47

for crime. Yeah. No nonsense crime.

1:21:49

Trump was lauded in many circles

1:21:52

with his no nonsense attitude and

1:21:55

a lot of people do very much believe

1:21:57

in the death penalty. So

1:21:59

it's no surprise. that Donald Trump does,

1:22:01

but lots of people in America do.

1:22:04

However, when it came out that they were

1:22:06

innocent, and again, this isn't debatable, they are

1:22:08

innocent, Trump simply refused to believe it. When

1:22:10

asked about it in 2002, he said, if

1:22:14

you look at some of the prosecutors, they

1:22:16

think the city should never have settled that

1:22:18

case, so we'll leave it at that. So

1:22:20

Trump still thinks they're guilty. He will not

1:22:23

back down on that to this day. Well,

1:22:25

no, he probably realizes

1:22:27

they're innocent. He just doesn't want to

1:22:29

lose. Yeah, exactly. You never, ever

1:22:31

admit you're wrong. This is a

1:22:33

fundamental Trump philosophy. So

1:22:36

anyway, yes, so he does that. But

1:22:38

Trump has other things to think about

1:22:40

than trying to kill wrongly convicted minorities.

1:22:42

To try and simplify, the wealth of

1:22:44

Trump was all built on his image.

1:22:47

He had massive, massive amounts of debt

1:22:49

by this point, and all his money

1:22:52

was tied up in the success of

1:22:54

all his ventures. However, he had realized

1:22:56

that if he kept growing and building,

1:22:58

it looked like he's succeeding. So he

1:23:00

can always borrow more money. This is still

1:23:03

his business plan. Look like I'm

1:23:05

doing well, borrow more, invest. Borrow more,

1:23:07

invest. And hope the train never catches

1:23:09

me. There's after all your debt.

1:23:12

Yeah, after all, who wouldn't lend money

1:23:14

to the financial genius of Donald Trump?

1:23:16

So he keeps spending, he keeps investing.

1:23:18

But that is the reason

1:23:20

why you can't do that. The bills were

1:23:23

coming in, and the businesses

1:23:25

he was investing in were not all

1:23:27

going well. In particular, the casinos, the

1:23:29

crown jewel in the business rather than

1:23:32

the accommodation empire,

1:23:35

they were really struggling. The casinos

1:23:37

were being poorly run, to put it

1:23:39

bluntly. It did not help that he

1:23:41

was paying for three casinos and

1:23:44

all the rights to

1:23:46

be operating them and stuff. Paying the state

1:23:49

to have a casino there. All of that stuff,

1:23:51

he's paying for three of them. And

1:23:53

there were three casinos that were all taking

1:23:55

customers off each other. And they

1:23:58

were being run by family members with. no

1:24:00

experience, who were often rotated in

1:24:02

and out because as they started to not do

1:24:04

very well, Trump would fire them and just put

1:24:07

the new person in with no experience. So

1:24:09

he saturated his own market and his... Yeah.

1:24:13

In a constant state of flux. Yeah. When

1:24:15

Trump was told that Plaza Casino was only

1:24:17

going to bring in $64 million the next

1:24:20

year, Trump was very angry, because he

1:24:23

needed that number to be 95 or

1:24:25

over or he was in serious trouble. In

1:24:27

fact, I'll quote him, I'd spent $95, 100

1:24:30

million next year. Now

1:24:33

he was talking to the president of

1:24:35

Trump Plaza, who replied

1:24:37

that these... that the numbers are accurate. There's nothing

1:24:39

we can do. $64 million

1:24:41

is the projection. And to be honest, that's

1:24:44

generous. Trump

1:24:46

replied, and I quote, there's no way

1:24:48

that's going to fly. You guys better

1:24:50

get your fucking numbers squared away. At

1:24:52

that point, the president replied,

1:24:54

what the hell do you want from me? And

1:24:57

Trump replied, I want you to go back and do

1:24:59

your budget and get it up to where it should

1:25:02

be. And this was how it was

1:25:04

going across the board. This is what he was

1:25:06

doing in all of his business. Trump

1:25:08

increasingly was lying

1:25:11

to the banks and investors about

1:25:13

his worth and his projected profits. And

1:25:16

increasingly, he was being

1:25:18

sued by various groups who were starting to

1:25:20

catch on to the grift. I

1:25:22

was going to say, where's the scrutiny? Like, are the

1:25:24

banks doing their diligence and kind of going... No,

1:25:27

but they are not because

1:25:29

it's Donald Trump. And

1:25:32

Donald Trump's name is so big in

1:25:34

the late 80s that

1:25:36

banks, smaller banks, big

1:25:39

enough to be lending hundreds of millions, see

1:25:42

it as a win to be doing business with Donald

1:25:44

Trump. We're a bank that works with

1:25:46

Donald Trump, and he is a genius, don't you know?

1:25:49

So banks wanted to. And

1:25:51

no investigations were taking place because

1:25:53

he was too well connected. He

1:25:56

knew politicians and he

1:25:58

paid politicians lots of money. of money, often

1:26:01

the maximum amount you were allowed to contribute

1:26:03

to their campaign funds. And who knows if

1:26:05

there was anything behind the scene I wouldn't

1:26:07

like to speculate. Anyway, he

1:26:12

was also able to get a deal with a

1:26:14

bank that he was close to

1:26:17

to have an allowance, get this, of $450,000

1:26:19

a month. So almost half a million

1:26:22

pounds of allowance. Yeah,

1:26:28

the bank was just going to give it to him.

1:26:30

The bank knew that Trump going under would

1:26:32

ruin them because they've invested so

1:26:35

much in Donald Trump. So they

1:26:37

figured, well, let's keep him afloat. Let's just

1:26:39

give him some pocket money so he can

1:26:41

like stop his businesses

1:26:44

from going under. And then we're all happy because

1:26:46

we're all living on this pile of imaginary money

1:26:48

right now and everyone

1:26:51

goes under if Trump goes under. So he

1:26:53

was being given nearly half a million a

1:26:55

month at this point to buy

1:26:57

his bank to stop him from going under.

1:26:59

When it looked like his main casino would

1:27:01

indeed go under anyway, his father then arranged

1:27:04

for someone to buy $150,000 in chips in

1:27:06

the casino. So the next bill was magically

1:27:12

paid. This is very illegal. You can't

1:27:14

go into a casino from the streets

1:27:16

and say, hey, here, casino have lots

1:27:18

of money and then walk away again.

1:27:20

Oh, look, the casino can now pay

1:27:22

its bills. Yeah,

1:27:24

there are regulations for this kind of thing. But hey,

1:27:26

they did it. They

1:27:29

paid another bill with it. To

1:27:31

sum that path up, what I'm trying to

1:27:33

say is the casinos are starting to crack

1:27:35

under the strain of how badly they're being

1:27:38

run. In the meantime, personal life, he's going

1:27:40

through a divorce. Avania had

1:27:42

had enough with Trump's very obvious and

1:27:44

public affair he was having with Martha

1:27:46

Maples, who was a former

1:27:49

model and Miss Georgia winner. That's

1:27:51

his next wife. That's his

1:27:53

next wife. Yes, Trump very

1:27:55

publicly wrote a cheque for

1:27:57

$10 million for Avania settling

1:27:59

the up and then boasted to

1:28:01

the press that he was the only real

1:28:03

estate agent in the country that could write

1:28:06

a check for ten million dollars. The

1:28:08

truth is this cleaned him

1:28:10

out literally. At this

1:28:12

point he has no worth.

1:28:16

He is broke. And the bank

1:28:19

are not happy with him at all

1:28:21

because they are now essentially paying for

1:28:23

his divorce. They were even less happy

1:28:26

when they found out that Trump was

1:28:28

buying diamond rings and such for his

1:28:30

new mistress. That's not what

1:28:32

we're giving you all that money for Trump. We're

1:28:34

giving it to you so you can keep your

1:28:37

businesses afloat. Anyway eventually

1:28:39

all this catches up with him. In 91

1:28:41

he is forced to

1:28:43

declare bankruptcy on the two of

1:28:45

the casinos. He owed millions by

1:28:47

this point and he was

1:28:49

forced to sell a large amount of his

1:28:51

business interests and his mega yacht and able

1:28:54

to afford it. Newsweek described Trump as, and

1:28:56

I quote here, tarnished by a battery scandal,

1:28:58

mired in debt and negotiating with banks over

1:29:00

a hefty 3.2 billion

1:29:02

dollar debt. As ever however, hard to

1:29:05

actually figure out how much trouble was

1:29:07

in because he spent a lot of

1:29:09

money to keep a lot of stuff

1:29:11

secret. After his third casino goes

1:29:13

under, so they all go under, he started

1:29:15

making money in another way. His

1:29:17

businesses are folding from under him. Everything

1:29:20

is starting to collapse so he

1:29:22

gets an idea. Trump is a big name. I

1:29:24

will license out my own name. This

1:29:26

is what leads to all the humorous things

1:29:28

that we have now got and

1:29:31

it also leads to a game. Which of

1:29:33

these things do you think are real? So

1:29:37

these are businesses who apply to Trump

1:29:39

and say for this much money can

1:29:41

we use your name? Okay so it's

1:29:44

franchising himself. Yeah yeah okay

1:29:47

so I'll just say one you say

1:29:49

true or false. Trump Burger. True.

1:29:52

Good, now done. Trump Burger is true.

1:29:54

Trump vodka. True.

1:29:57

Yeah that one's real. Trump steak. True,

1:30:01

he likes steak. Yeah, Trump Steaks

1:30:03

Wheel. Trump Golden Ale. False.

1:30:07

Nope, that one's true. Trump Golden Ale was

1:30:09

a thing. Trump Ice. As

1:30:14

in frozen water. Yes. True.

1:30:16

Yeah, yeah, it's true. The

1:30:19

Trump-tini. These are going to

1:30:21

be true, aren't they? I mean, this is the last

1:30:24

one, and yes, they are all true. Yeah. Oh my

1:30:26

goodness. They're all true. Trump-tini,

1:30:28

by the way. I didn't

1:30:31

get organised enough. Maybe we will for

1:30:33

the next episode. Yes. Because

1:30:36

it is Bacardi Lemon.

1:30:38

So a lemon-infused white rum.

1:30:40

Okay. Contro, some sour mix.

1:30:43

So some lemon juice mixed

1:30:45

with some water and some sugar. And

1:30:48

a splash of cranberry juice. That's

1:30:50

a Trump-tini. Okay. So I figure we

1:30:52

should get that organised for the next

1:30:54

episode, and we can drink a Trump-tini

1:30:57

whilst we record. We could also

1:30:59

eat from Trump Ice and a Trump

1:31:02

Steak. That would be fun. I've

1:31:05

heard that Trump likes his steaks very

1:31:07

well done as well. Yes,

1:31:09

I've heard that. For being a germaphobe, I would understand

1:31:12

why. Because people do get

1:31:14

freaked out by like red meat and stuff. Yeah,

1:31:16

yeah, definitely. So when you

1:31:18

hear of all of these things, it's like, oh, Trump

1:31:20

did this, Trump did this. Actually, he had very

1:31:22

little to do with it. His

1:31:24

name got put on it. He usually did adverts for them. But

1:31:27

they're nothing really to do with

1:31:29

him. He's just sold his name

1:31:31

for cash. Anyway, according to the

1:31:33

Wall Street Journal, he spent five

1:31:35

years in the mid-90s negotiating with

1:31:37

banks and ending up paying half

1:31:39

of the 110 million that he

1:31:41

owed personally. That's

1:31:44

his personal debt. Somehow, though,

1:31:46

and I don't know how, he enters

1:31:48

the second half of the 90s

1:31:50

in a position to start growing the

1:31:52

business again. I want to tell you

1:31:54

how he did this, but I'm just

1:31:57

going to use a quote from an

1:31:59

attorney from the New Jersey Attorney General's

1:32:01

office. office, which had spent years looking

1:32:03

into the many irregularities in Trump's businesses.

1:32:05

I will quote here, I'm

1:32:07

not certain if there's any

1:32:09

one person on our staff that really

1:32:11

understands it. Wow. It

1:32:14

is such a mire convoluted mess of

1:32:16

business deals shady goes on. It's just

1:32:18

impossible to unpick. But what we do

1:32:21

know is he is in hundreds of

1:32:23

millions of dollars debt personally, at the

1:32:25

start of the 90s by the end

1:32:27

of the 90s, he's starting to grow

1:32:30

as a business again. Yeah. Anyway,

1:32:32

he decides to go into the Miss

1:32:34

Universe game at this point. Wonderful.

1:32:37

Yes. In 96, he

1:32:40

buys Miss Universe organization, which includes

1:32:42

Miss USA and even more disturbingly

1:32:44

Miss Teen USA. I'm

1:32:47

not going to go into all the CD

1:32:49

stuff around this because believe me, there's so

1:32:51

much stuff. We're on a time limit. And

1:32:53

this is all very, very depressing. And I

1:32:55

just don't want to spend my time researching

1:32:57

yet. I'm talking about it, frankly. But

1:33:00

this is where the later infamous Hollywood

1:33:02

access tape is what it was about.

1:33:04

It's not when it was recorded. But

1:33:07

this is where Trump is bragging that

1:33:09

he could easily sexually assault

1:33:11

the women involved. And

1:33:13

they would let him do it because he was

1:33:16

a star and he owned the business. Is

1:33:18

this the grab them by the cap kind of thing? Yeah,

1:33:21

exactly. Yeah. And he's

1:33:23

regularly walking into the changing rooms of

1:33:25

these contestants as they are getting changed

1:33:28

and all sorts. It's all very,

1:33:30

very silly. Anyway, he's now in

1:33:32

that racket. So there you go.

1:33:35

He also carried on his business method of

1:33:37

borrowing large amounts of money using fraudulent, overinflated

1:33:40

estimates of his worth and using that money

1:33:42

to invest in other projects that he could

1:33:44

then use to borrow more money, et cetera,

1:33:46

et cetera. He's just going back into the

1:33:48

same manner. Yeah. Right. And

1:33:51

here I have made a decision. This is a

1:33:53

decision I ran by our Patreons on Discord just

1:33:55

to make sure I'm getting this right. As

1:33:58

I said at the top of the episode, I am determined. to

1:34:00

get Trump done in three episodes. And

1:34:02

I got to this point and I realised I've

1:34:04

already exceeded my word limit, and I, well, South

1:34:07

imposed a word limit to stop episodes getting too

1:34:09

long, and I wanted

1:34:11

to get to him declaring his

1:34:13

run for presidency in this episode. And

1:34:15

we are still a decade

1:34:17

to go. In fact,

1:34:19

a couple of decades. But I am determined

1:34:22

to start the next episode talking about him

1:34:24

trying to come present. So what I'm going

1:34:26

to do is incredibly, quickly,

1:34:28

I'm just going to gloss over two decades. I

1:34:32

think we know enough about him

1:34:34

to make a judgement about his

1:34:36

business deals. I don't think anything

1:34:38

hugely different or new happens. It's

1:34:40

just new things he buys and

1:34:42

new things he does. Things like

1:34:44

Trump University, which is a place

1:34:47

where you can buy a certificate

1:34:49

and say you've done a course on

1:34:51

my business. That got sued because

1:34:54

it's not actually teaching anyone anything, anything and

1:34:56

Trump University have to be shut down. So

1:34:58

things like that happen, but I'm just not going to

1:35:01

go into them. Because we

1:35:03

just don't have time in this podcast.

1:35:05

And I'm not spending three months of

1:35:07

my life looking into this and

1:35:09

doing five episodes. I'm just not. Here we

1:35:12

go. Take two decades and like three

1:35:15

minutes or something. In 1999, he divorced his mother.

1:35:19

They got wed in 93, by the

1:35:21

way, because by this time, he was already

1:35:23

having an affair with his new ex model.

1:35:25

And this time, it was a woman from

1:35:27

Slovenia called Melania. He

1:35:29

obviously has a type does Donald

1:35:31

Trump models with

1:35:33

accents. She was 27 to Trump's 51. So

1:35:37

it's getting a bit icky by this point. Anyway,

1:35:39

he married her in 2005. However, something new

1:35:43

and exciting happened at this point. In 2004, he was hired to be the host

1:35:45

of a new reality

1:35:48

TV show called The Apprentice.

1:35:51

Yeah. Now the producers had approached Trump

1:35:53

who was reluctant at first saying that

1:35:56

reality TV was my quote for the

1:35:58

bottom feeders of society. He looked

1:36:00

down on this, this was awful. However,

1:36:03

he was soon run over in

1:36:05

a meeting about it because they

1:36:07

told him the idea of the

1:36:09

show was, you will be yourself

1:36:12

and you will be a business genius.

1:36:16

And Trump liked the sound of that. And

1:36:18

this show, more than anything else, gave

1:36:21

Trump the stardom that he had been looking

1:36:23

for his whole life. Each

1:36:25

week he would get to play the tough boss

1:36:28

who always seemed to know what

1:36:30

he was talking about. And he

1:36:32

was a natural at it. Again, many things

1:36:34

to criticise him about, this was something he

1:36:36

did well. He was good at hosting this

1:36:39

reality TV show. After taping the

1:36:41

pilot, the producers instantly realised that this

1:36:43

is going to be about Trump, not

1:36:45

about the contestants. We thought it

1:36:47

was going to be about the contestants, it's not. Trump

1:36:50

was brash. He went off script to

1:36:53

the point that he'd ignored the script,

1:36:55

he refused to follow a script, he

1:36:57

talked a whole bunch of nonsense, lots

1:36:59

of it made no sense, but especially

1:37:01

after a bit of editing, it made

1:37:03

for brilliant TV. Catchphrase,

1:37:06

You're Fired was invented by Trump.

1:37:09

Yes, he wasn't told to do that, it was ad-libbed

1:37:11

and they loved it, it was kept and it was

1:37:13

imported to all the other versions of The Apprentice that

1:37:15

went round the world. For 14

1:37:17

seasons he hosted this show, making

1:37:19

him a household name across

1:37:22

the whole country and cementing this idea

1:37:24

that he was a business genius. Despite

1:37:27

the fact that he had only

1:37:30

really been running of failing companies since

1:37:32

the 80s. I mean, he had had

1:37:34

some successes obviously, but a lot of

1:37:36

things had gone very wrong. And

1:37:39

it was whilst he was the host of The Apprentice

1:37:42

that he became obsessed with ratings.

1:37:45

Apparently his mood would alter radically depending

1:37:47

on what the ratings were week on

1:37:49

week, he just had to know what