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Hey everybody, it's Tre Wingo and Kevin Frazier

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here, and we are pumped and excited

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to bring you a clip of our

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brand new podcast, Alternate Routes. Listen, as

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former sports center anchors and lifelong sports

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obsessives, we know it's all about the

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what if questions and the coulda woulda

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shoulda moments that are the most agonizing

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and also the most fun for sports

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fans. Like what if the Seahawks and

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Marshawn Lynch ran the ball with the

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Super Bowl on the line? So here's

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the deal. On Alternate Routes, we'll dive

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deep into those flashpoint moments from sports,

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then explore every alternate scenario that coulda

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been. I'm about to play a clip from

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Alternate Routes. Follow Alternate Routes on the Wondery

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app or wherever you get your podcasts. Tre,

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who are the big winners from Pete Carroll's

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decision not to hand the ball off to

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Marshawn Lynch? You have to think Tom

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Brady was also a huge winner here because again, you

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lose three straight Super Bowls, people

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are like, can't do it, can't get

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it. I mean, what are we saying about Josh Allen

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recently and his loss to the Chiefs? People have lost

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their freaking mind saying, oh, he can't get past the

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Chiefs in the divisional round. You

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know, he's the problem. He didn't kick a field goal, did

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he? He played as you know what often in that game.

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He ain't the problem. But if you lose three straight Super

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Bowls after winning your first three, right? Is

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the magic gone? Where does this happen? If

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they don't pull that off, and quite frankly, there's

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no reason they should have. It was an unforced

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error by the Seahawks, which is why I always

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say, kids, remember this wins and losses are not

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a quarterback stat. Like Tom Brady gets the win

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there. Was he on the field for the most

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important play of the game? No, he was on

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the sideline screaming like a little girl. Remember?

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Woo, woo, woo. That

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was his contribution to the game winning

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play. Yet somehow it's a win for

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Tom Brady because Malcolm Butler intercepted that

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ball. But it becomes a win because

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suddenly the magic is back. And think

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about this, okay? Not only do

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the Patriots find their way to win that one, they win

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Super Bowl 49, they win Super

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Bowl 51, they win Super Bowl

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53, and oh, by the way,

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after his unceremonious departure. from

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New England after the 2019 season where his

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last passes of Patriot was a pick six to

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a former Patriot teammate Logan Ryan would seal the

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win for the Tennessee Titans. He then goes on

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to the Tampa Bay Bucks and wins another one.

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So think about this after what it would have

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been a third straight loss in Super Bowl 49

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instead Tom Brady and his team win Super Bowl

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49 Super Bowl

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51, Super Bowl 53 and then two years later

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55. Every other year,

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every other year for four more

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Super Bowls Tom Brady is the

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king of everything and none of

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that happens. I believe if they

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lose that game because people in New England, I

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don't know if you've heard Kevin, Boston sports fans

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have a short fuse. Things

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don't work out. They want to get rid

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of people pretty fast. It's a great point

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Trey and I think that Brady's entire trajectory

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of who he is now and why he

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just signed that massive contract with Fox

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Sports to be a commentator.

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All the things that are happening in his

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life were built on that one moment and

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that interception because wow how different the route

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would have been. Alright, can we talk about

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losers Trey real quick? The first one for

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me is Pete Carroll, okay?

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Had they won that game, they should have

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won that game. Pete Carroll becomes

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the gold standard in the history of football coaching and

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using Trey. What were you talking about? Well, let

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me explain. If the Seahawks

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had won that game, not only would the Seahawks have

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won back-to-back Super Bowls, Pete Carroll becomes

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the first head coach in the history of football.

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I'm talking in the history of football

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back to the scrum days of Princeton and Harvard

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in the 1800s, okay? The

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first coach to win multiple championships in

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college, multiple championships in the NFL and

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I know there's gonna be some people

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saying well one of those championships was

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voided. They're gonna get that championship back

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one day, trust me and Reggie's gonna

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get his Heisman. I saw the game,

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they won convincingly, they were the better

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team. So in all of that, Don

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Shula never was successful in college and

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the NFL. Bill Belichick never won championships

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in college and the NFL. George Halas

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didn't do it. Tom Landry

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didn't do it. None of these

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guys have done it. Pete Carroll would

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stand alone as the lone figure atop

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the Mount Everest of coaching football in

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this country as the only coach to

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have multiple championships in college, multiple

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Lombardi trophies. I mean like it's like you know,

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I live in Maui half the year, right? And

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there's one guy Larry Ellison Oracle owns an island

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right over there called Lanai. You know why owns

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it? Because at the billionaire boys clothes he can

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say I got a Hawaiian Island. What the hell

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do you got? I'm better, you know, that's his

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trump card he throws down. So you can say

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whatever you want about most wins or most Super

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Bowls. Pete's like cool. I've done multiple times

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in two different levels. What do you got? So I

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think absolutely Pete is one of the biggest losers in

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all of us. Even though he's a great coach and

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has gone on to do great things, I

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think it changes the perception of him forever

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if they win that Super Bowl. You can

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