0:00

M hmm. Everything

0:03

she does off it's because

0:06

she never loses sign of what's important. Put

0:09

you on a military transport tonight. Yes,

0:14

was backing down on either side. We

0:16

have a bona fide crisis. We'll

0:20

follow it up together. Get to the truth.

0:23

I did what hawd to be done.

0:31

Honey alone,

0:40

A slow welcome

0:43

back all the smoke, my

0:45

brother Jack. We got

0:48

a special guest here are brother,

0:51

although you don't look like us, a lot ugly out

0:54

here and say, man, we appreciate you. You

0:57

won here in the Yola

1:00

establishments that keep for having us, Thanks for

1:02

coming back. We're gonna jump

1:04

right into it. Man, Um,

1:07

highly touted high school player and

1:10

uh, you decided to take the jump straight to the league.

1:12

How come he didn't want to go to college first? Bro

1:14

Um, I don't know it during that time, where don't I

1:17

don't know what the hell I was doing? Man, be honest, you know I

1:19

didn't started playing basketball times a freshman in

1:21

high school. You know what I'm saying. And you

1:23

know, growing up I didn't really have hoop dreams.

1:25

It wasn't like, you know, I wanted to play in the NFL. You

1:27

know, my goal was to play for, not the name and play for the

1:29

New York Giants. But when

1:31

I got to when I got to high school, I was six

1:34

four, sorry, and when I got to this new

1:36

school, everybody just thought out hooped. So they put

1:38

me on the team as a freshman. So on the freshman

1:40

team, my nickname was Big Daddy, and

1:43

uh big Daddy. A couple of people still call you

1:45

that. That's not true, said,

1:47

that's not true. But

1:50

yeah, they called me big Daddy, and Big Daddy was

1:52

not good, you know what I'm saying. I barely

1:55

played uh My soult

1:57

that summer. Um, I met this dude named

1:59

j Syriac and he was trying

2:01

to get the best player on my team during that time, Dona

2:04

Kurt Hobson, And he was like, yo, you can. You can hook me

2:06

up with Kurt, and if you bring Kurt, we'll let you play

2:08

on the team or whatever. Yeah,

2:11

plus one, try to get Kurt.

2:13

I didn't get Kurt. But at the end of the day, dude took a liking

2:15

to me, started, you know, helping me work out,

2:17

and introduced me to the coach of the road runners

2:19

would do names Sandy Pioning and Sammy

2:22

started working with me and that's

2:24

how that stack. We get to that at some point.

2:26

But stack, I mean, excuse me, Sandy

2:29

like told me everything, Bro. He told me how to you

2:31

know, chew gum and dribble a basketball, chew

2:34

um and pick the ball up and lay it up. It

2:36

was like a really like step by step process

2:38

and end up transferent schools the St. Patrick, which

2:40

is a national powerhouse high school.

2:43

Sophomore year, I played a little bit. I played, I started,

2:46

wasn't that good. I played with the All American Nation

2:48

he Holloway and he

2:50

stole your m V. But

2:53

playing with Shower was a lot of pressure, man, because

2:55

you know, obviously all American, he wants

2:57

to win the state championship. I'm gonna start

3:00

and powerful and I can't catch. So

3:02

just imagine point guard that pass

3:06

and I can't catch, Bro. So he

3:08

used to cuss me out every game.

3:11

So it got to the point, Bro, within the

3:13

games, if it was a play and I was

3:15

gonna be open, I run behind my man, so I

3:17

couldn't. So I have

3:20

to hear that's crazy about So

3:22

that's me as a soft But you said you want to play football.

3:24

I wanted to play football. I was on the line if

3:28

I was offensive, yeah,

3:31

and I was a defensive and Mac Farland

3:33

you know already. So I just run into people and just you

3:35

know, just run into people. Hide

3:38

behind the dude so he couldn't pass you the ball. I'm

3:40

telling you, man, as my man rotated, I rotated

3:43

with him just so I don't have to work just throwing

3:45

me the ball and then cussing me out.

3:48

So that was my sophomore year. But

3:50

you know that summer, you know, obviously I took

3:53

you know, my game started six span. I

3:55

got invited to the Adida's ABC

3:58

D camp and you know, I got out

4:00

there as a you know, rising

4:02

junior and nobody knew me, and I

4:05

bawled out. I made the All Star game and

4:07

then that's when you know, I got on the map for

4:10

the most part. And then that next year,

4:12

I played against lamar Odom down

4:14

in South Jersey and that's when I got my name.

4:17

So you know, obviously l O was the dude

4:20

and I got the best of them that night. I

4:22

busted that. The

4:24

numbers were something like, you know whatever,

4:29

we're gonna talk about this when you come on the show. And we

4:31

won that game, bro, But I'm saying I tell you all

4:33

the time, like I got mine that I got my Owlharrington

4:36

name off of that game versus Ow and so big shout out

4:38

to lamar Ow and for hold of me now to give that opportunity.

4:41

But after that, you know, things just started

4:43

to take off. I started working my way up to up

4:46

to board and you know, by the time

4:48

I was a senior, I went to night Ye All American camp

4:50

that's where all the top players was at. Even though my AU

4:53

team was Adidas, went there

4:55

just hunting boys down, you know what I'm saying.

4:57

And I ended up being the MVP of the camp. And

4:59

you know that that point, I was the number one player.

5:02

And just because you know, I've seen all these other

5:04

the other the number one players in the country was going pro

5:07

out of high school, I was like, do the same

5:09

thing, you know what I'm saying. And my mom

5:11

was totally against it. She was just like, you're

5:13

too young, you too immature. What you're

5:15

gonna do up there with grown men? Shout out mama.

5:18

Yeah. So it took me, like it literally took me like a

5:20

month to convince her because at that time, you know, your

5:22

parents had to sign off on paperwork for you're going

5:24

to the draft. Have

5:27

to beg my mother so she don't have to work no more, you

5:29

know what I'm saying. But she finally

5:32

signed the paperwork, and you know, the rest is history.

5:34

But if I went to school, I probably was gonna

5:36

go to Georgia Tech. I wanted to go down to Atlanta.

5:38

That's when my grandmother was. You know, I had a lot of

5:40

family down there, so I want to go play in front of the family

5:42

if I did go to college. So now

5:45

you're drafted to the Indiana

5:48

Pacers where Winnie

5:50

franchise, Reggie Miller's there. There's

5:52

a lot of talent there. Tell me what that's likeing and how do

5:55

you find your footing at a seventeen eighteen year

5:57

old? Eighteen year old? So you know

5:59

it was are going in there with all those vets, right,

6:01

because I mean I was playing with real vets. I

6:04

played with the Davis Boys. I played

6:06

with Chris Mullen, Sam

6:09

Perkins, uh, Derrek McKee,

6:13

Hayward Workman, Like, those are those

6:15

are my vets? You know what I'm saying. So these dudes

6:17

was like grown kids,

6:19

families, the whole thing. So a lot don't never really

6:22

have time to hang out with me. But uh,

6:24

during that time coming up in the league, Like you know,

6:26

rookies used to used to be hard on rookies, you know

6:28

what I'm saying. So I used to have to you

6:30

know, obviously have doughnuts every day, fresh

6:33

hot doughnuts from Crispy Crean. Did you eat

6:35

any of them before you game? Ain't gonna lie, bro. So

6:39

I got out of control in the beginning, like a gained

6:41

like ten pounds, bro. And I know Donnie Walls

6:43

came in there was like, what's going on. It's

6:46

like, I don't know, Donut. He's

6:48

like, are you eating doughnuts? But don'tut

6:51

run Like, yes, I'm smashing the donuts.

6:53

I give them the nice and hot and tasty.

6:59

So I was smashing the doughnuts, but you no

7:01

doughnuts, orange juice, having to get their

7:03

cars clean, unloading the plane,

7:06

unloading the bus. You can only practice,

7:08

kid. I was the only rookie wookie year,

7:10

so like they used to run me thing, you know what

7:12

I'm saying. But you know, during that time,

7:14

that's when I realized that successful

7:16

players in the league actually smoke weed because

7:19

I was the rookie. Because you know, I used to get sent

7:21

to go buy blunts and all that type

7:23

of stuff, you know what I'm saying. But uh,

7:26

you know, I was blessed to have those guys.

7:28

You know what I'm saying. I really feel like because those

7:30

guys was around, it allowed me to play

7:32

sixteen years, you know what I'm saying, because they

7:34

helped me, you know, set a foundation of what

7:37

it took to be a propro first and

7:39

how to survive in the league. Sixteen years. All

7:41

that was was you know, being professional, not

7:44

being late, you know what I'm saying, working your ass

7:46

off, and if you do those things, and with the

7:49

talent that I had, you know what I'm saying, I was

7:51

set up and have longevity in the league. So,

7:53

you know, as much as I wish, I came to a team

7:55

where you know, in my rookie year

7:58

I got major minutes and all that My thing was a blessing

8:00

in disguise that I was able to sit down for a year

8:02

and kind of just watched and figure

8:04

it out for myself, like you know what it

8:07

took to actually be in the league and you know, be able

8:09

to you know, like I said, you had had that longevity, would it

8:11

take the crack once you started playing, like when someone

8:13

got hurt, it was just that's something you killed

8:16

that What was it that got you played the next year? Well,

8:18

what happened was Um Mulley left,

8:21

right, Um, and Dale

8:23

Davis left, So that was the three and the

8:25

four right obviously, see

8:27

Antonio left, So Antonio was

8:29

the backup four and Mulley was the backup three

8:32

UM behind Jalen. And

8:34

so that gave me an opportunity that summer.

8:36

You know, I worked my ass off. I got an

8:38

unbelievable shape. You know, I lived

8:40

in the gym. I was just waiting for my opportunity. And during

8:43

that summer when I lived in New York, so I

8:45

was playing against guys like Anthony Mason, God

8:47

blessed dead. Uh, you know, Malik silly.

8:49

You know, I was able to play against guys that play all the time

8:52

in the league and kind of you know, learned from them as

8:54

well some of the nuances of the game. So

8:56

when I came back in you know, my second

8:58

year, you know, I was ready to play, you know what I'm saying.

9:00

And for the most part, I played, you

9:02

know, most of that year until I actually hurt my

9:05

back. You skipped over the side. How did you and out?

9:07

You and Jack me from the Oh? Yes,

9:09

so the guy Sandy Pan and I'm talking about

9:11

that, Uh tolt me the game or whatever. He

9:14

has his gym in and Junior New Jersey

9:16

And to this day, I still don't know how Jack ended

9:18

up being in there. But Jack walked in, uh

9:21

with jeans on, you know, the workout

9:24

or whatever, came in, you know, took

9:26

all this stuff off, you know, put his workout ship

9:28

on. And what was amazing. I turned

9:30

out, looked and his jeans were still standing there.

9:33

Like literally the jeans was still was started

9:35

up. Stay flow, babe, we had that stay

9:37

flow. He had so much starts in his jeans.

9:39

Dog he took him off. You just set him up.

9:41

He just stood him. That kind of dude to like

9:45

that just standard. So I was amazed by that. I'm like,

9:47

yo, bro, how your pitts still standing me? He's

9:50

like some slow flow or whatever. He said. I was like,

9:52

oh, I ain't never heard of that before. Where

9:55

you from? So you

9:57

know what I'm saying, We worked

9:59

out or whatever. And you know, obviously

10:02

you know he was two years older than me, you know what I'm saying. So

10:04

obviously he had game, you know what I'm saying, and

10:06

uh, that was the only day he came, you

10:08

know what I'm saying. So I did your thing and kept

10:10

it moving. It was just a workout, you know how we do it. We

10:13

work out with Sandy. He got him to workout in and never

10:15

seen him again until I got to the league. That's

10:20

when I first met my brother, you know what I'm saying.

10:22

And obviously we hit it off. And then you

10:25

know, obviously when he got into the league,

10:27

he played New Jersey and you know, Steph was

10:29

like my big homie, my big brother, and

10:31

the same thing to him. So that's how we started

10:33

to reconnect. And you know, obviously the rest

10:35

of system. So you guys are traded for each other

10:39

somewhat and oh four, and then you

10:41

eventually end up back on the pacers together.

10:44

You guys want to talk about that? What was

10:46

that? Like? Well, the playing

10:48

together was short, real short. In Indiana, he

10:50

got us ran out of town. Actually, what happened

10:53

we can talk about it really

10:58

is your fault. I was

11:00

at home chilling, Jack.

11:03

Let's go with the rest of the team is out, Let's

11:05

go. I'm like, no, we've been out all day. Jack.

11:07

Come on, man, so you're the reason why I left the house.

11:10

That may be true, but what happened was

11:12

transpired after he left the house, man,

11:14

So whatever, it was, man like, so we get traded

11:17

for each other. I should have never left. This

11:20

guy's unbelievable. I leave, he

11:22

goes and have a brawl in Detroit. You

11:25

know what I'm saying. He starts with that, So I'm like that

11:28

I would have been in that, thank

11:32

god, because I needed all my chicken right,

11:34

shout out, thank

11:38

god I wasn't there. But okay, so from a

11:40

distance, I look, I see that, but you know, Stack

11:42

go on the stands, he's fighting everybody in the ring

11:44

or whatever. I like, yeah, this guy's wild.

11:47

This guy's wild ship.

11:50

They have some success or whatever. So obviously

11:52

now there's an opportunity for me to actually go back

11:54

to the team. So I'm like, you know what those

11:56

I felt like. You know, I should have never left Indiana in the

11:58

first place, to be honest, because Atlanta was a

12:00

hell hole. You know what I'm saying. I went from winning sixty

12:03

one games and to the two

12:05

thousand three fourth season to four or five

12:07

season winning thirteen games. So

12:10

like the numbers was crazy though, my numbers was crazy.

12:12

But they don't respect numbers when you were thirteen. They're

12:14

like, somebody got to school. No

12:17

problems when you get big numbers on their win

12:19

team. It was so bad in Atlanta, Broveen

12:22

one time. We want to lose the street for so long that by

12:24

the time we won, Sports Center ran a special

12:26

of like all the things that happened since

12:28

the last time we won the game, and it was like the Grammys,

12:31

the super Bowl, March madness.

12:34

It was like it was like all kind of stuff.

12:37

The playoffs. I go, didn't

12:39

even tell me how that was. We just

12:41

passed, passed telling me how bad it was gonna be in Atlanta

12:43

or whatever. So to his point, you know, um,

12:46

I get back to the team and you know, obviously

12:48

you know they had a lot of success, and

12:51

I'm thinking obviously adding me and all this type

12:53

of stuff. Now I'm understanding, and

12:56

I'm understanding now, like you know, I'm gonna

12:58

come off the bench and I'm okay with it now, you know

13:00

what I'm saying. I got through that process this

13:02

year six for you seven. It was years

13:04

six when I left. When I came

13:07

back, you will start remember run. I just left, so you

13:09

were starting, Yeah, you will

13:11

start, that's right. I was left

13:13

and that's why they brant you back because they had to get wrong up

13:15

out of it. That's right. So you know we're

13:18

playing well you know what I'm not. We're playing

13:20

okay or whatever. But we get through

13:22

training camp. So you know the night, you know that

13:24

changed everything for me. So when I get back,

13:26

you know, I'm thinking, like I'm set, like I'm never leaving

13:28

Indiana and they love me whatever. So I go and

13:31

buy a house. The house said I want to gut into

13:33

all this stuff to it, so I got it. I

13:35

put all kind of wild stuff, swede walls

13:39

to TVs in every room. This

13:41

went crazy, right because I'm thinking I'm backing in the

13:43

end of this state or whatever. So training

13:46

camp, we get a day off, bad

13:49

start days off and no good get

13:52

a day off, right, We have no practice the next

13:54

day, so everybody like, yo, let's go out

13:56

and hang out. So I should have known the night was

13:59

gonna be crazy because is I come

14:01

out of this restaurant called Champs and

14:03

Jamal Tinsley is driving by, so I wave them down.

14:05

So I'm like, mom, Mama, So you pull over.

14:08

So I'm like, what you're about to do? So as

14:10

I stick my head in the car. In the back

14:12

seat of his car, he has like twenty five

14:14

guns, right,

14:17

souse. So

14:19

we had all just got our gun license the

14:23

sheriff that came to my house and gave us all gun

14:25

license like two weeks before that. Go

14:27

ahead, I finished. So I should have known

14:30

this is gonna be a wild night because I looked

14:32

in the car and he got He's in a six

14:34

forty five BMW so it's no real

14:36

back seat, but it's filled with guns. So

14:39

I'm like, where are you coming from from?

14:42

So he's like, we're all coming from the gun

14:44

range and we all got our licenses, blah blah blah blah

14:46

blah. I'm like all right, I'm like, yo, let's do something

14:48

tonight. They're like, all right, let's go. I

14:50

think it's called Pure Passion or what was the name of the

14:53

spot, Rio Rio Rio cl

14:55

Rio, Let's go to Rio. Let's go to Rio. So I'm like, all right,

14:57

let's go to Rio. Get on the phone,

14:59

course and first person I'm gonna call just like what you're doing.

15:01

And I'm at the house. I'm chilling. Hey, let's go to real

15:04

to night when got practice them all, let's go, let's go shake

15:06

it up a little bit, all right, so

15:08

we all meet that real. So I think the

15:10

nice team, the whole team.

15:13

We all in there, you know, throwing some dollars around,

15:15

having a great time, you know, get

15:17

around that time. For me, I'm like, I'm gone, so

15:20

shake his hand. They just act like I'm right behind you.

15:22

What else? I'm like, all right, cool, So I leave,

15:24

I go downtown. I'm staying at the hotel downtown.

15:27

I get up the next morning and that's when I

15:29

had this bullshit as mohawk. It

15:32

was terrible. What was I thinking? And that's

15:35

why I'm just saying, like for them to be my homeboys.

15:37

And nobody pulled me aside and was like, son

15:42

was super weak and your

15:44

ship was balded right here too, was thin

15:46

here. And that's

15:50

why that's why I struggled with it. I had to get it cut

15:52

all the time because it was some bullshit. But

15:54

nobody, not one of my homeboys, said, yo, family,

15:57

cut that off. What

16:00

it definitely you would have been saying jokes and have

16:02

definitely maybe cut my shoot off. Take

16:07

it out. So I get up in the morning. Whatever. Sunny

16:09

day is a nice day, beautiful day, off off

16:12

day. So I'm going to the barbershop to go get

16:14

my mohawk touched up. So I get in there and

16:16

when I sit down to dude, like, you know everybody

16:19

I from last night, and I'm like, what

16:21

you mean. He's like, no, the pacers

16:23

there are. Y'all had to shootout last night. I

16:25

said, a shootout. What you're talking about, bro?

16:28

He's like, yeah, man, y'all with your

16:30

team would had a shootout with some dudes at the club.

16:32

I'm like, what club? You're like real. So

16:35

I'm literally the last person in the state of indienda

16:38

the note that these boys had to shoot right just

16:41

so I called stack He don't

16:43

answer, obviously. I called jo Jo that

16:45

we at the hospital. So I'm like we're about

16:48

to leave though, so I'm like all right, cool, So

16:50

like everybody's gonna meet the Stackhouse in like a couple of

16:52

hours. So I go to Stackhouse

16:55

and uh, you know, it's like all somber, you

16:57

know whatever, But I come with Danny

16:59

Grange. So we walk

17:01

in and that comes turned

17:03

the corner and his face is like this big

17:08

crazy and Danny Grangel

17:10

looking at him and sit, dude,

17:14

hey, it made me laugh. I couldn't really laugh

17:17

at my lips are so slow. Lips

17:19

couldn't meet. Oh my god. So

17:22

so to go back. When I was pulling,

17:24

I pulled out the parking lot. I was right behind

17:26

him. But as I was turning the corn the light,

17:29

I've seen Jamal running out the club and it was

17:31

chasing Jamal to his car. So I put my ship in

17:33

reverse, and as I you

17:35

know, we just got a gun license. So I pulled my ship out

17:38

and I ran over there with Jamal. I had my ship in my hand.

17:41

By time I get over there, you know, like

17:43

we're about to fight. So I hit one of them my pills to bout

17:46

we get the fighting. More dudes come up

17:48

out the club. I've been in that position too many

17:50

times, I know. For I still get surrounded and stumped

17:52

out, I'm gonna let off some warning shots. I

17:55

let two off. By that time I was running

17:57

to my car. Somebody, one of the niggers that got

17:59

in the car and sized me up in the parking

18:02

lot and hit me going like thirty five party with power

18:04

boom, knock him in the air. I hit

18:06

the ground the momentum of the car hit me in my

18:08

face is hitting the ground. I stand up, all my teeth gone,

18:11

my lips shattered, but and I was

18:13

kind of I was out of it, but maybe come back

18:15

was one of my teammates. I ain't gotta sat a name on

18:17

here. He started letting off at the car and

18:21

that made me come out of it. So as I stood up

18:23

and saw that, I pulled my ship out and chased the car down.

18:25

As I shot my last shot, I passed out. Wake

18:28

up in the back of the car with Markets and the police.

18:30

Markets daance the police car because just for some the fact

18:32

that they had all of us arrested. But

18:35

they had me in the car and I was unconscious, so I hit him

18:37

kicking the door. He think I'm dying because I lifts

18:39

my teeth going, my lips just bleed everywhere. He think

18:41

I'm dying, so he kicking the door and that's how

18:43

I wake up. Timm Is. Later they let us

18:45

go. We meet at the gas station, and that's I think

18:47

that's when we talked to Jail for the first time. Because we

18:49

all met at the gas station. We all had guns.

18:52

We always tend to go tasting shut up. I was

18:54

ready to kill everything moving and mid mid

18:57

sentence, jamaineo Nil stopped me. Say Jack,

18:59

I feel all that ship. I

19:02

feel all that ship you talked about. I want to kill somebody

19:04

too. But you got to go to the hospital.

19:06

Dog, you got to go to the hospital.

19:09

And I'm not even thinking that. But what the funked up part

19:11

was? As soon as he said it, I ship instantly

19:13

started heard gone,

19:16

started hurting everything. Man. I had to love all

19:18

your teethop and my top was out. I

19:21

had to get a plastic surge on my lips for two

19:23

hours with no anesthesia. So they're putting

19:26

cutting my lips, taking rocks and ship out about on

19:28

my lips and ship for two hours. I'm holding a rid call out

19:30

of hand and uh, I got who was with

19:32

my girl hand at the time, and just I

19:34

parted for two hours after that shout, I slept

19:37

like seven hours straight. So that's how.

19:39

So that was my That's how when I came

19:41

back to the Indian and while I got out of it, that's why we got

19:43

traded. So now from

19:46

there is where we all get

19:48

connected, yes and go to state. So you

19:50

guys get traded in late January, to

19:53

go to State. It was like January. I

19:55

was on my way after league. Got a bounced for other the league three four

19:57

years, never really got a chance to play Bear.

20:00

They're calling me up that pre summer. Yo,

20:02

we're whooping it. Uh, we're whooping uh. Down

20:04

in the city. I drove an hour and a half from Sack.

20:06

Played well. Nellie was watching long story. I

20:09

get on the team. So we're

20:11

having a not a very good year, but I'm starting

20:13

to play consistently and played good

20:16

enough to where they're ready to get

20:18

rid of Mike Dunlevy and Troy Murphy

20:20

because I'm playing well. And

20:23

we hear buzz Who's coming, Who's coming this, Who's

20:25

coming that? Mike dunne what he wanted

20:27

FUNDI dudes that want the best team. Troy's

20:31

cooler ship too, Mike

20:34

Donald Milwaukee. So

20:36

then uh so I remember the day

20:38

the trade went down, they told us who was coming,

20:41

and we're like, wow, funk we get there. But

20:43

we only had like seven dudes that day. Maybe I want

20:46

to say we played the Lakers, the Clippers, we were in l A, got

20:49

beat. But then y'all came and

20:51

just became an instant brotherhood,

20:53

like you guys had the connection already. I

20:56

didn't know, really, I just knew you guys from playing

20:58

me and BT had you had to nextion to b D.

21:01

But it was just like instant.

21:03

So tell me what it was like from

21:05

Indiana to where you think a dream situation is

21:08

and then Jack gets you traded? Uh?

21:11

What was that? Like? That's fun?

21:13

Up man under saying like it

21:16

sucked because I had Like I said, you know, I didn't

21:18

finish my point with the house, Like I spent all

21:21

this money in this house and Bro,

21:23

I literally slepting it three nights,

21:25

Man, your house three nights.

21:27

But that's how fast it happened. It happened that fast.

21:29

I gutted it, bro. So I lived

21:32

in a hotel for three months. Bro. But

21:34

whatever, but you know obviously coming there

21:37

bro So. The thing, the one thing I can't say about

21:39

um Indiana and I think what I

21:41

think what we bought to that team was

21:43

the brotherhood kind of vibe.

21:46

You know what I'm saying, because that was the same

21:48

way we we hung out in Indiana.

21:50

You know what I'm saying. I feel like the

21:53

reason why we wasn't having the success we sold

21:56

to have on the court was because we was enjoying nightlife

21:58

a little too much. You know what I'm saying, Remember

22:03

because I can remember, you know too, I could recall

22:05

two trips, one in Toronto and one

22:07

in l A where like we get

22:09

to the arena for shooting around

22:12

and like we bring it in and like it smelt

22:14

like nothing but like gray Goose and Patron like

22:16

it's just it's coming out of everybody pours

22:19

to the point where like Rick like, Yo, look, let's just

22:21

go back. Y'all gets

22:23

to rest and come back ready to play the play

22:25

to night And you know what I'm saying. So, I think we

22:27

was kind of letting the lightlife kind of get to get the best

22:29

of us, just because you know, we felt like we were

22:32

so good we could kind of turn it on. We wanted doing

22:34

different things like that, but I think we got traded.

22:37

It kind of woke both of us up, and I think that coming

22:39

to the Golden State situation, we knew that it

22:41

was gonna be more of a challenge. The team

22:43

had been to the playoffs in thirteen years and different

22:46

things like that, so had gave us a focus

22:48

and gave us something to you know, to strive for, you

22:50

know, what I'm saying, and then getting in the locker

22:52

room and realizing how many real dudes was in

22:55

the locker room. We was like, oh ship,

22:58

we fell on our we fell on our be nice you

23:01

not not me, not knowing you at all, and

23:03

then realizing you are the craziest motherfucker's

23:05

I could ever meet. You know what I'm saying,

23:07

Wow, inappropriate? You just a

23:09

wild motherfucker. That's just Matt.

23:11

Then beat who is? I called

23:14

him the Walt Disney of who because

23:16

he is just a thousand people in

23:19

the same day. One

23:24

conversation, Monte was

23:26

a young killer, but but

23:29

didn't know what was going on. He was just waiting

23:31

us and just teach you but tell him just thing,

23:33

just sick him on anything. Jay Rich another

23:36

dude ready

23:39

to go ahead, and he was coming back from injury, so he

23:41

had a lot to prove. I think we just came into a perfect

23:43

situation. And then we bought that family

23:46

Vibe family dinners, and you know, we

23:48

connected our wives and our girls and

23:50

different things like that. And you know,

23:53

in two months time, bro, I felt

23:55

like I had been with yall for obviously.

23:57

What really brought us together was, you know, down the stretch

23:59

when I we had to win like fourteen games,

24:03

even think about eighteen

24:06

out of one, like that's crazy. And

24:08

we all looked at each other, and I think it was because

24:10

of those five six weeks

24:12

beforehand of building that we could look at each

24:15

other and know, like, you know, we can actually do this ship

24:17

but enough the court too. Is what people don't understand

24:19

is like it's crazy that you said, you guys are kind of murdered

24:21

on both inso Indiana and you thought you could turn We

24:24

burned it and Golden State too, but we had, like you said,

24:26

we have more, We didn't have a We didn't have as much cushion,

24:28

so we had to Okay, we're gonna go out and get fun up. We

24:30

still got to come out of hoop tomorrow. We did that every single

24:33

day. And I think what was unique about our team to

24:35

which I think, um, you know, I think it affects

24:38

the game now, is like we had

24:40

a type of team. We can hold each other accountable

24:43

anything. Anybody can say anything to

24:45

anybody, whether it hurt your feelings or

24:47

not. You got over it. You got to be close, you

24:49

know, to like stories where like one of us is

24:52

not playing and you come out the game, we could choke

24:54

on you and not be personal.

24:56

You know what I'm saying, because if you don't have that level of communication,

24:59

you know, the seeing, it's like that could be miss for

25:03

me. Like you know, that was a blessing, you

25:05

know what I'm saying, being able to play with y'all, and

25:08

you know that that feeling

25:11

that we had during that time, I'm not ben't gonna lie

25:13

like after I moved on from there, I never could recreate

25:15

that, you know what I'm saying. Nowhere, I don't think none of them, you

25:18

know what I'm saying. What we what we had

25:20

was specially bro that we did everything

25:22

together and then off the court we went. Off

25:25

the court, we did every People don't realize like you

25:27

said, you said that was it was. It was a three

25:29

months span where we went from the bottom of the

25:32

West to the A seed and we the

25:34

last night, remember the Clippers had

25:36

the Clippers lost to someone in that was in Portland.

25:38

We had beat Portland. Don't needed the Clippers to lose,

25:41

and the Clippers lost to a team they shouldn't have lost to.

25:43

And we knew as we were winning that

25:45

they had lost, that we lost our minds. Well, I remember

25:48

that because remember that game in Portland, I got kicked out

25:50

and Don there was a cable to He's like, I don't care about

25:53

just getting kicked out, just don't get suspended. We're gonna

25:55

make the playoffs. And he was walking

25:57

me off the court. I remember the video. I don't care about

25:59

to get kicked out suspended for the next game. We're gonna

26:01

make the playoff. But you guys, you guys brought such an

26:03

amazing energy to our team. You know, I mean, both

26:06

as skilled as can be from the wing position,

26:08

from the all over the floor, but down

26:10

something someone that could do a lot of stuff in a bigger

26:13

player, because people don't really like that's Nellie

26:15

ball to y'all. You know what I mean? You're guarding,

26:17

y'ell. Mean you know what I mean, I'm playing

26:19

the five, y'all Remember

26:21

that? Do y'all remember every time we played y'allmber

26:23

The next day, I couldn't practice it nothing because that

26:26

was used

26:29

to we had. I had the front of them in

26:32

front of someone that's seven four meets and then he's

26:34

gonna be needing you all in your back. So

26:36

I never like every time we played them, the

26:38

next day, I could not remember

26:41

for the game. He's like, different, I ain't started

26:43

the day. What you mean that you

26:46

took yourself out to start? They fun that

26:48

they started

26:51

to day. Man, I'm like, I do

26:53

that on purpose too. I'm like, why can't goose

26:55

from them? We laughed at

26:57

you until we had to go at boosted in the bod

27:00

mil s. Oh my god,

27:03

you pay. Then the

27:05

ship was crazy and then like I said that, I was a too much

27:08

span And then we talked about the trade that happened

27:10

with Jay Rich and then the beginning of the next season,

27:12

my mom died, so I'm kind of out the mix. You

27:15

kind of fall out with Nelly and

27:18

that was it. We were the team was going. They didn't resign

27:20

Baron. The following year, we

27:24

traded Jay Rich first. J Richards gone

27:26

first. Yeah, then Bed he

27:29

was the next season Becau. Remember the next season we won forty

27:31

eight games, make the playoffs. Yeah,

27:34

yeah, Denver. Then that night Denver one, they beat

27:36

the Clippers and they got in and we and

27:39

we lost. And that was the first time I smoked.

27:41

I smoked weed. Yeah lost.

27:44

It was after we lost in Utah, right, it was. I

27:48

mean, I'm saying it was no no. It was the

27:50

second year after we figured we were in the playoffs

27:52

no more. That's the first time I smoked, wasn't

27:54

that was remember smoked? You had the

27:56

drug test the next day in Phoenix. Diluted

28:01

it because what happened was y'all told me because the

28:04

trainer called me on the way to the gym and

28:06

was like, yo, you gotta piss test. I'm like, get the

28:08

funk out of here. First ever, first time I

28:10

ever smoked. Everyone

28:14

came to my room. Everyone, I got off the bus, everybody

28:16

was he told me. I got off the bus and I went

28:18

the Whole Foods and I got that Sony number

28:21

seven thing y'all told me to get. I got

28:23

that. I drank it that she was disgusting,

28:27

and I just started pissing all day, pissing all day.

28:29

So I got to the game and I'm nervous,

28:31

so I don't piss. When I get there, I tell him I can't pissa

28:34

after the game. So remember y'all was waiting on

28:36

me and everything, and when I pissed, it was

28:39

just all water. So that's when I realized,

28:41

you get a dilute test, you get

28:43

one one. So that was my one. That's how I

28:45

passed. I had right, it was all water.

28:47

He put the thing in. He was like, this is all water

28:50

and I was like, what you want, athlete?

28:52

What you mean hydrated?

28:59

Got me that? But yeah, that that was the first. But

29:01

I remember that night and I was paranoid in that room

29:04

and called

29:06

liquid man. Y'all had me, y'all had me. I

29:08

was high because you smoked, smoked,

29:11

but you would never smoked, never smoked. But you

29:13

wasn't really passing it up though. I'm gonna keep it real, like you burned

29:16

with used to it. But

29:18

I when I got to my room and got weird, got

29:26

weird. Ship when I got in that room, bro, and

29:28

we we always talked about the

29:31

game six after we won. That

29:34

night was like all the stuff

29:36

we don't you remember what you remember from the night, man,

29:39

So you know I didn't. So if you remember,

29:41

you know I had my wife with me, so

29:44

I didn't get a chance to go with you boys.

29:46

You know what I'm saying. That night, But I

29:49

remember going to the city, um,

29:51

that Italian restaurant we go to all the time,

29:54

and like literally we walked in. Everybody

29:56

like stood up cheering. You know what I'm

29:58

saying. We was rock so i' I really

30:01

I really believe that

30:04

one of us could have got got away with murder that

30:06

year. Hot

30:10

When I tell you when I never see like my

30:12

biggest world James, I've been in winning markets,

30:15

but I've been I've seen been a winner. I've

30:17

never seen it. People the way

30:19

they carried us and go to the States,

30:21

sat us down in the city. I think they

30:24

would have the body knocked somebody off

30:26

and there was some dudes walking down the street there to help you get

30:28

rid of it. I believe

30:30

that they loved us. Bro We had like you

30:33

talk, you know, like the real

30:35

authentic culture of Oakland and all that that

30:37

we had the sun with us. That's why I tell people

30:39

when I went back to seventeen and got a chance to win the ring,

30:41

they talked about that we believe team more than the

30:44

current success they had, And then blew my mind. I'm

30:46

like, you've got Steph, Katie, You've got these we

30:49

believe is that's our heart, that's Oakland, that's

30:51

this, that's that. And then to see the other players

30:54

like Steph and Katie and them do show love to

30:56

our team too. Were in the jerseys and the warm

30:58

ups and all that show. I'm just like, like I said,

31:01

you know, I still got my career about that. So I go and show

31:03

my face all in the supermarkets, all look the

31:05

open lines for me, discount

31:07

the ship out of my growth like it's crazy out

31:10

there that night man, and I remember

31:12

obviously talking to y'all like the next day

31:14

and hearing some of the stories about smoking

31:16

with coaches and all that other stuff. So you didn't

31:18

go with us to Snoop Bow telling

31:21

it had to be buried with bed and probably would me

31:24

it had to be And when I talked about what you said

31:26

when he was like pop Ridle, you

31:32

heard the story. Yeah, that's

31:35

it must have been baring now

31:37

that one me I was with, I was I was the

31:39

wife. He did the right things. You

31:43

did what you're supposed to do because it wasn't up

31:45

in trouble that night you

31:47

supposed to do had a blast blast.

31:50

So now you've been out

31:52

of the NBA for six seven

31:54

six years season

31:57

crazy right? It flies, yo,

32:00

know what I'm saying that, you know I'll be saying I'm out sixteen.

32:02

So what was it like? You know, you

32:05

didn't go to Collie so you went from high school

32:07

to the NBA, made good money. Now you're retired

32:09

at what how are you? Thirty four? So

32:12

I had I had knee surgery right um

32:15

and I think two thousand and twelve or

32:17

whatever, and got staff infection from the surgery. So

32:20

um. You know during that time, I thought I was going

32:22

to die the whole ship. I was sucked up two weeks. I lost

32:24

like forty pounds, Like I was skinny,

32:26

like you bro, he was looking like on

32:29

that one movie. Yeah, so I know how to get

32:31

skinny. I was gonna get sick of something, you

32:35

know. I'm all with all the diets and all the other ship eat

32:38

grass and leaves and now you see anything.

32:40

That's why I asked them early in the interview with them dons.

32:42

I know Al used to suck them. I could

32:45

eat snack man. And

32:49

he always used to be in the locker room with like three of

32:51

them waste wraps on, always doing crunches

32:53

the whole time before anybody

32:57

we played together. I always was on the wait things. Yeah,

33:00

he always because

33:02

news at any second. He was like

33:05

you were fat Herington, get on the scale. I'm

33:07

like, you bitch, ask whatever.

33:11

But yeah, that's why I was always working out over

33:14

everybody in the restaurant. He's done crunch

33:17

everywhere. I always have a six

33:19

pack, but I got a six pack after basketball, and

33:21

I'll tell you how. But when I um,

33:23

you know, so I had to start, had the staff infection messed

33:26

me up. Um. So the next season, I pretty

33:28

I went to play in Orlando, didn't

33:31

play the whole year. I played six games or whatever. So

33:33

I always avoid that year out of my mind, but

33:35

I'll acknowledge it now. I got

33:37

in shape that next summer. Um went

33:39

to Washington played for the Wizards. Uh,

33:43

got hurt after like the six

33:45

or seventh game or whatever went down, came

33:47

back the last twenty games of the season, made the playoffs

33:49

for the first time out there. Whatever had some success,

33:52

but you know, my nieces, I was backing

33:55

forth from my knee, and the team didn't know if I could hold

33:57

up a whole season, so they wanted me to coach

33:59

and then going to active roster after

34:02

all Star break, right, And

34:04

I figured that was a setup. Right. I'm like, they don't

34:06

even make no sense, thinking like you're gonna ed up coaching

34:08

the whole year. So I was like, you know what,

34:11

I'm cool on that. Get a call from Stefan

34:13

stuff was like what you're doing? I was like chilling.

34:16

He was like, you're in shape. I was like yeah. He's

34:18

like you're in shape shape and you know, like stuff

34:20

is a weird though with all this stuff. He's like

34:22

you're in shape shape. I'm like, yeah, I'm in

34:24

shape. He like, come playing China. So

34:27

I'm like China. He's like, yeah, I can get you like

34:29

two millions tax for you money, blah blah blah. Just

34:31

come playing China. So I'm like, I

34:34

don't know about that. So he called me a week later, he like,

34:36

you got a team yet? I was like nothing yet. He was like, just

34:38

come playing Chinese, like staying shape. And he said

34:40

you'll be done by all star breaking team with people up

34:42

because you went rhythm. So I'm like, now that

34:45

makes sense. I was like all right, cool. So I

34:47

go over there and I go to Fuji and Um

34:50

and I knew when I was landing that

34:52

I wasn't gonna make it. I'll

34:54

tell you like, I came so okay. When they sent

34:57

me over there, I had to go get my Chinese visa, so I

34:59

had to stop and hung calm so when you if

35:01

you know, when you get the asia, like if you don't, you

35:03

know, do the melotonin thing and get on the pattern,

35:06

like you would just pass out in the middle

35:08

of the day and be sleep until like three in the morning,

35:10

you know what I'm saying. So I did that for three days,

35:12

like I could not stay up. So I finally

35:14

wake up and you know, it's my flight.

35:17

So I get to Fujian and as I'm coming

35:19

out of the clouds and show I look and it's

35:21

just like it's like crazy,

35:23

it's like third world country, like as I'm looking

35:25

out the window. So at that time, I

35:28

knew right when I got out the clouds, I was like, oh,

35:30

I'm not gonna make it out here or whatever. So

35:32

I went there played there. Um

35:34

they told me that you know, my center was gonna

35:36

be the next yeah, I mean or whatever.

35:38

So I get there and the kid he's good, not

35:41

great. You know what I'm saying. Our team sucks.

35:43

You know, we're getting our ass smack in preseason.

35:46

So after like the fourth preseason

35:48

game, I went to the GM and it was a

35:51

lady. Her name was Ricky and she knew nothing about

35:53

basketball, but she's the GM. She makes all the decisions.

35:56

So I go to Ricky and I'm like, Ricky, look, you

35:58

told me this team was good. It's

36:00

terrible. I was like, I want you to find

36:02

me a replacement. I want to get out of here. So

36:05

she's like, okay, okay, she calls my agent. He calls

36:07

me like, YO, just tough and out blah blah blah blah blah.

36:09

So I played two games and then I call her back and

36:11

I'm like, YO, give me out of here, like I'm giving you till

36:13

Thanksgiving. So long story

36:16

short, she finds somebody DJ White

36:18

or whatever. He comes and replaces me. So I come

36:20

back home. So when

36:23

I got back after that, you know, no

36:25

teams was calling. So that's when I realized,

36:27

like, it's over. You gotta start figuring out

36:30

what you're gonna do next, you know what I'm saying.

36:32

And at that time, I had already

36:34

started working on something you know what

36:36

I'm saying, which was obviously the cannabis space.

36:39

So you know, I was able to transition

36:41

into something else, walk

36:43

us through this cannabis journey because I tell people like,

36:45

you're at the forefront of it. And one

36:47

thing I too, I definitely want to come in you. I think because

36:49

we're friends and were all type, we really don't show

36:52

how much we appreciation respect you have we have

36:54

for you for what you're doing in this space. Man, you're doing some amazing

36:57

ship across the board. Man. So I just want to congratulate

36:59

you. Man. It's good to be to see

37:01

you, you know. I mean I'm looking up to you in this space because I'm

37:03

in the space as well, but just to see the moves

37:05

you're making and and how you're giving back

37:08

and how you're really you know, opening

37:10

up other athletes eyes and making them realize,

37:12

Okay, this is something we can invest and we missed.

37:15

You know, this is our prohibition, this is our this is

37:17

our this is our goal rush. You know, this

37:20

is cotton. Yeah yeah, I mean we can eat

37:22

off this. So I just want to start

37:24

with that we we appreciate what you're doing in the space,

37:26

man. So but tell us a little bit what you are what exactly

37:29

is explained viola to us? Yeah,

37:31

man, So you know, obviously, you know it all started,

37:33

you know, back when I was playing with the Denver Nuggets. Um.

37:36

You know, I was there right when you know that medical

37:38

program got started, and you

37:40

know I'm a newspaper guy. I think probably because

37:42

of our rookie year that they can me get so many newspapers.

37:45

I got the custom to like just grabbing the newspaper

37:47

all the time. So while I was there,

37:49

you know, I was always reading the paper and you

37:52

know, obviously the sports section a lot of the times,

37:54

but there was always stuff about cannabis

37:56

in there, telling stories about you

37:58

know, kids that have epilepsy and seizures

38:00

and how cannabis oils was affecting their

38:03

life, or how people you know that

38:05

HIV a cancer, you know, how cannabis

38:08

was giving them a better quality

38:10

of life, you know, you know in their last

38:13

days. Um, even

38:15

just the benefits of cannabis towards glaucoma

38:17

and other you know, diseases or whatever. So when

38:20

my grandmother, you know, I convinced her to come see me

38:22

play out there. Um you know, she got there

38:24

and you know, we started talking and she

38:27

started taking all this medication, and I'm maximum, what's

38:29

wrong with her? And she started telling me these things, and you

38:32

know, one of them was glaucoma. So I was excited

38:34

because literally like two days before that, I was reading

38:36

about reading something in the paper about the benefits

38:38

of you know, cannabis for glaucoma patients.

38:41

So I started telling her about it, and you know, I'm calling

38:43

it cannabis. And then finally she, you know,

38:45

she asked me, well, what is cannabis? And I was just like,

38:47

uh, you know, it's marijuana weed. And she was like refa.

38:50

She's like, you're telling me, Reefa's gonna

38:52

help me. Like, no way, Reef, We're gonna help me, and

38:55

she just shuts it down. So the next day I come

38:57

home and you know, she's sitting in the kitchen and

38:59

when I walked and she's squinting the eyes and she's like, is

39:01

that your baby doll? And I'm like, what's up, grandma, and she's

39:03

like, my eyes are so bad today, I can barely

39:05

see. So I was like, you take all that medication

39:08

and it doesn't work. I'm like, why don't we just try

39:10

cannabis, and you know, we'll just keep it, you

39:12

know, on the lower two between us, right. And obviously

39:14

now I'm told millions of people, right, which is cool,

39:17

but you know, she was just like, I'm in so much pain

39:19

to day I try anything. So I had my boy

39:22

go to the dispensary. He brought back Vietnam

39:24

cush we're vaporizing for in the volcano

39:27

bag that you could tell neither one experienced

39:29

smokers, right. She hit the bag

39:32

three or four times. And

39:35

why it was funny because when she was smoking it, she was

39:37

hitting it and blowing it out her nose perfectly like

39:41

before. Like

39:44

she's like, not smoked a cigarette one time when I was sixteen

39:46

whatever. So she hit it, take it downstairs,

39:48

I take a nap. Wake up from my nap. I'm

39:50

like, let me go check on her to make sure she ain't done in climbing.

39:53

The walls are going crazy, and I

39:55

go downstairs and the doors closed, so that I was

39:57

like, really what to expect, right,

39:59

So I knocking the door, and when I poked my

40:01

head through the door, her backs

40:03

are doing She's looking down and I'm just like, Grandma,

40:05

how are you doing? And she turned around and she's

40:08

crying tears and she's like, I'm healed.

40:10

I haven't been able to see the words of my Bible and over three

40:12

years. So she was downstairs reading

40:14

a Bible. And you

40:17

know, if anybody know anything about Viola harringson

40:19

bro, Like I mean, if she's not

40:21

going to heaven. We're all going to help sure we

40:23

don't have a chance. Like when my grandfather died

40:26

and young, she never remarried. She married the lord

40:28

and she was the treasury at the church.

40:30

She ran all of the communion

40:33

like she the one for her ex first

40:35

experience with cannabis and for her to go read

40:37

a Bible to me was like guys

40:39

talking to me, you know what I'm saying. So it just

40:41

inspired me to start learning you know what I'm saying.

40:43

And now I'm starting to take these newspaper

40:46

articles way more serious. Damn, this is this

40:48

is this is something that obviously

40:50

we've been lied to for a very long time,

40:52

but this is something that can really like help people.

40:55

Like I said, I went through the education process.

40:58

That next year, I called, um,

41:00

you know, my co founder, you know, because he was the only person

41:02

that I knew that had some you know, experience

41:05

in growing cannabis, and we

41:07

came to Colorado. We looked around at all

41:09

these different opportunities. I asked me, I said,

41:12

you think you can do this? He was like yes,

41:15

And we found our first building, a twelve thousand

41:17

square foot facility and Denver, Colorado.

41:20

We became caregivers in the beginning, so all

41:22

of our patients either had HIV a cancer, so

41:24

we used to go strange that was heavy Indica, and

41:27

uh, that's how we started, bro. And you know,

41:29

we started there and

41:32

you know, inten is when

41:34

you know, we got issued our first license, so we had

41:36

to name the business something. And you know, obviously

41:39

you know, we sat there and we decided we wanted to name it after

41:41

the person that inspired us to get to this point,

41:43

and you know, we named the Viola. So that's how Viola

41:46

got started. What are

41:48

some of the stuff, I know, what's important to you in

41:50

this space. I mean, you're

41:52

not doing it for the financial game. You did well for yourself

41:55

and in sports and other investments,

41:57

But tell us why what drives you in this space

42:00

and be honest. Like when I first started, you know

42:02

what I'm saying, it was about you know, being

42:04

able to have some extra cash in my pocket and help

42:06

people. Right. Um. Once

42:09

I started realizing how the

42:12

you know, the candidates that we was growing, how

42:14

it really was medicine, how it was really helping

42:16

and affecting people, I was like, Yo, we're doing

42:18

God's work, Bro, We're doing something with

42:21

something that's very natural. You know what I'm saying.

42:23

This is something that is grown. It can be grown anywhere.

42:25

All you needed sunlight and water. That's not a

42:27

drug Compared to all this other stuff that they

42:29

recommend that we use. We take too many

42:32

of them, we die. Um, you

42:34

know, most times whatever we're taking, the other

42:36

side effects of works and the thing that we're trying to

42:38

cure, you know what I'm saying. So that's

42:40

when I realized. I was like, Yo, this is

42:43

God's work man, And you know, it

42:45

really just inspired me to, you

42:47

know, leave basketball alone

42:49

for the most part completely. You know I did. I played

42:51

in the Big Three or whatever, and that was more just to be able

42:53

to hang out with my guys kicking on the weekends

42:56

and stuff like that. But my day to day businesses

42:58

has been cannabis. And as I've

43:00

been going through this journey, I

43:03

realized, like, obviously I'm having a lot of wins and a

43:05

lot of success, but when

43:07

I go to these different events and different things

43:10

like that, I'm the only one in the room that

43:12

looks like me. And when I think about, you

43:14

know, how cannabis was used to pretty

43:16

much tear down you know, the black and Latino

43:19

community now that there's this billion dollar

43:21

industry and we have no representation, Like

43:23

I have a huge issue with that. That's really bullshit.

43:26

And once I started to realize that,

43:28

I was like, wow, Like, you know,

43:31

obviously we're doing we're doing our part in regards

43:33

of you know, building a brand and

43:36

you know, helping people with the medicine,

43:39

right, but what are we doing to uplift

43:41

our people? What opportunities are we providing

43:44

for them? And when

43:46

I asked myself that at that time, I didn't

43:48

have any answers. At that point is when I decided

43:51

to, you know, pivot our company and you

43:53

know, our company now is a

43:55

lifestyle cannabis brand with purpose, and

43:57

our purpose is about empowering and up lift

44:00

in the black community. All people. They always

44:02

want to talk about jobs and this and

44:04

that, Like your jobs are cool, you know what I'm saying,

44:06

But like we want ownership, you know what

44:08

I'm saying. Like I said, when you think about you

44:10

know, eighty five per cent of all drug arrests and the Black

44:13

community all cannabis related,

44:15

you know what I'm saying, and we only represent

44:17

three percent of diversity and cannabis.

44:20

How does that even make sense. I feel like

44:22

what I'm doing is putting myself to be have

44:24

a seat at the table, and by

44:27

me having to seat at the table, I can now come

44:29

back and turn back and talk to my brothers about

44:31

it and tell them the opportunities the best

44:33

ways to come into this, because you know,

44:36

to me, I think it's ridiculous, like you

44:38

know, for any players, you know, moving forward,

44:40

especially NBA players because of our brotherhood, right,

44:42

and you know you can get in touch with me anyway, but to

44:45

jump into the space without giving

44:47

me a call just makes no sense, you

44:49

know what I'm saying, because I know now,

44:51

like you know, you know what's

44:53

gonna make money, what's really the longevity

44:56

and cannabis. What's amazing is that you know, to

44:58

be honest, Like you know, I've been having conversation

45:00

with y'all for a while, for years, right, and every

45:02

time I've talked to you all about it. You know, it seems like I'm

45:04

an expert, right, But what I

45:06

know now compared to what I knew then, I

45:09

didn't know. Ship you understand

45:11

what I'm saying, but now I'm like ten years in. One

45:13

of the challenges we're gonna have is going to be

45:15

capital, right, and you know

45:18

that's why, you know, I try to reach out to many

45:20

players and entertainers and you

45:22

know, people that look like me

45:24

and that share, you know, share the same

45:26

interest in cannabis because we all smoke it, we

45:29

all love it, we enjoy it as part of our lifestyle.

45:32

And trying to get them to let's partner

45:34

up and do this together because you

45:37

know, I feel like, you know, just in sports, you

45:39

know what I'm saying, Like Instagram, all these

45:41

different things, all these things are built off

45:43

of us, right, and we don't get paid for it. Right.

45:46

So imagine if all the athletes from all

45:48

sports deciety, like we're gonna start our

45:50

own Instagram, would

45:52

it would kill Instagram. It

45:54

would be bigger than Instagram, you know what I'm

45:56

saying. But it's something. It's something in our DNA.

45:59

I don't know if it's a competitive gene or something

46:02

that doesn't allow us to

46:04

come together. It's just something and I guess it's

46:06

from the four hundred years of you know,

46:09

what has been ingrained in us. That's probably

46:11

is what discycle that we can't break it this time.

46:13

But to your point, like what you said, like this

46:15

is generational wealth at risk, like

46:18

these little hundred million dollar contracts and ship

46:20

like that. In the grand scheme of things

46:22

of the world and real wealth,

46:24

that's nothing. That's

46:27

not It's people that spend a hundred million dollars in

46:29

a day sometimes you understanding

46:31

they can do that, you know what I'm saying. So it puts

46:33

into things in perspective. And you know, my

46:35

whole thing is just like you know when

46:37

you know one of our new monic because is what is your purpose?

46:40

My purpose now is obviously you know number

46:42

one is to take care of my family, and obviously I have

46:44

to do that first, right um. The

46:46

second thing is literally trying

46:49

to figure out a way to empower

46:51

and impact other people lives. You know what I'm

46:53

saying. I took you all the time I had to. I had to. That's

46:56

time my lives already. I've done the boats, I've

46:58

done the private planes, I've under crazy

47:00

trips, I've had the craziest dinners

47:03

and all that. You know, I say, what's next? What

47:05

else can you do? That's what I'm trying to instill

47:07

in my company's culture through everybody

47:10

throughout it. We're gonna build a brand, We're

47:12

gonna scale a brand with purpose, and we're gonna do it with

47:14

excellence, you know what I'm saying. And that's

47:16

how we're gonna rock. And while we do that, we're

47:18

gonna help a lot of people, you know what I'm saying. The gold

47:21

of mine is to create a hundred millionaires in the next

47:23

three years. We have another company that

47:25

we go at the licenses or whatever. And you

47:27

know, we just won two states.

47:29

One states announced, the other states not announced that so

47:31

I can't announce it. But between those three

47:34

opportunities, those two those two licenses

47:36

that we just won, I just made eight

47:38

of my homeboys millionaires. Dudes

47:42

that came from nothing, had nothing, you

47:44

know what I'm saying. And I was able to, you know, provide

47:47

opportunity that will allow

47:49

them to you know, become millionaires. Bro, you know

47:52

what I'm saying. So like that's what I'm trying

47:54

to do with Viola, you know what I'm saying. And I just

47:56

hope and pray that one day I could

47:58

get to support of my other brothers

48:01

that's like me, so that we can really go out

48:03

here and really impact the world, like people

48:05

die for ship like this, what we're trying to do you

48:07

know what I'm saying, Like, for real, you know what I'm saying, you

48:09

try to uplift the whole, you know,

48:12

generation of people. You know what I'm saying,

48:14

And you know what we need to realize is like you

48:17

know, I'm not racist by any means, but

48:19

I'm woke. We live in the NBA

48:21

and all that type of ship. We live in a different worlds,

48:23

not the real world, right, but I've

48:25

allowed myself to be vulnerable and be accessible

48:28

to the real world. You know what I'm saying in

48:30

our generation and our race to our

48:32

generation, but our race is last bro of

48:34

course, what I'm saying like everything has more rights

48:37

than Black people when you really think about it, right, I

48:39

feel like the only way that we can change this cycle

48:42

is we're gonna have to do it through you know, economic

48:44

growth and coming together, you know what I'm saying, and creating

48:47

our own ship. That's hours that can

48:49

nobody take from us. And I have so many ideas

48:52

if us as black athletes came together

48:55

and we can do stuff that you know, we talk

48:57

about creating an environment where our families

48:59

never have to work again. We can do it. We

49:01

just got to do it together. Put our egos aside.

49:04

We all get one percent, we all get half a

49:06

percent of something that's gonna be worth trillions of

49:08

dollars. You understand what I'm saying. Now, That's how

49:10

we make sure our family never ever struggle

49:13

again, you know what I mean. So you

49:15

know that's what Viola is about. Bro. We're just

49:17

getting started, you know. And you

49:19

know, I feel like, you know, five ten years from

49:21

now, you know, I think number one hundred millionaire

49:24

hundred millionaires goal will be accomplished,

49:27

and then after that I could turn into thousands that we're

49:29

trying to change the narrative. Man, it's it's our time,

49:32

man, It's just it's been too long. We're

49:34

too talented. You know. There's too many

49:36

industries before us that we pioneered that

49:38

we don't have no ownership in. And I

49:40

think that obviously because of those times, and I don't

49:42

feel like we had the proper resources

49:45

to be able to take advantage of the opportunity. But

49:47

this fucking time, if we don't

49:50

and we end up customers again, we fucking

49:52

played ourselves. And it's and that's

49:54

and that's it, period. I like

49:56

it. So you're big on the

49:59

evolution of I mean, like

50:01

you said, it's been going on for a long time, but really

50:03

kind of bring it to the forefront. I take pride

50:05

in this as well. It's kind of being the shield for guys

50:08

that are playing right now. We can talk about

50:10

it, we can educate, we can continue to spread

50:12

our arms and empower people. But

50:14

athletes are still stuck. We're still punished

50:16

for it. Guys losing their career, they're losing money, painted

50:19

as a bad person because of this, you

50:22

know, so so talk about a little bit about how you feel

50:24

cannabis and professional sports go hand

50:26

in hand. Yeah. So, you know when I first

50:29

started in

50:31

the league, you know, I was one of the

50:33

guys that when I

50:36

was a square, I was like, what they're doing you

50:38

know what I'm saying, They're not really doing nothing to help

50:40

our calls being winners and all

50:42

that. So I used to do the people like you

50:46

always never

50:48

helped. But I ain't know, bro, I ain't know, you

50:50

know, you know, I grew up in that area where I was

50:53

afraid. I was one taught that if

50:55

I smoke weed, I was gonna be a crackhead. Like

50:57

who wanted to be a crackhead? I used to see crackheads in the

50:59

corner of shake it and you know, no clothes

51:02

on. I don't want it, wants that, so I'm not gonna

51:04

smoke no weed to end up like that. You can forget

51:06

about compare. But

51:08

that's when. That's where I was from. That's

51:10

how I was then. I've

51:13

seen people getting locked up for it all the time, you

51:15

know what I'm saying. So you know the other thing, I definitely

51:17

Harrington does not want to go to jail. So

51:20

cannabis was just wasn't on my radar. So you

51:22

know, obviously, once

51:25

I had my experience, and it took for me to have

51:27

my experience because I've seen y'all use, I've

51:30

seen y'all smoke, and I've seen y'all still be successful,

51:32

right, But I still at that time, I felt like it wasn't for

51:34

me. But once I got introduced

51:37

to it, and then once I educated myself

51:39

on the medicinal benefits of it, it made

51:41

me just go back and think about my career and what I

51:43

put my body through. And you

51:45

know, I was hurt a lot of the time

51:48

I played. All the time I played hurt, I didn't

51:50

miss a lot of games. I was you know, I've always

51:52

had knee something by bothering my

51:54

knee in my back whatever. And

51:57

you know what the trainers did. They just gave me antime,

52:00

matorious anything. It gave me muscle relaxes,

52:02

you know, if it was really bad, they give me

52:05

you know, the good stuff, the ox season or whatever.

52:07

Right, just whatever it took for me to be comfortable

52:10

enough for being back on the court, to get out there

52:12

on the court and play. Once I educated

52:14

myself, I realized all the side effects and all

52:16

these different things because I took anti inflammatories

52:19

for seven and a half straight years, bro two in the morning,

52:21

one at night. And I needed that just

52:23

to be able to get up and feel good enough

52:26

to go out and work on my craft in the way I felt

52:28

like I needed to. And you know,

52:30

when you think about all the side effects,

52:33

like I said, potentially, and you know, I'm still

52:35

living right, so the effects may be coming.

52:38

You don't have to happen right now that I made filio

52:40

those effects when I turned fifty or something. But

52:42

could you imagine if I was educated enough

52:45

to know, and I had accessible cannabis,

52:48

you know what I'm saying, Why I could take a tincture under my under

52:50

my tongue, or I could use a topical

52:52

and rubbing on my my areas where I'm in pain.

52:55

And you know, when I realized

52:57

that, and you know, talking to other athletes,

53:00

and you know, once I started becoming more of an

53:02

advocate, more athletes coming to me like, Yo, we

53:04

love what you're doing. This is ridiculous.

53:06

We should be able to be able to have access. That's

53:09

when I started to speak on it, and

53:12

it inspired me to you know, start aligne

53:15

products that you know, professional athletes

53:18

could have access to that had

53:20

you know, zero percent T a C. Which

53:22

is obviously the main concern with sports

53:25

leagues is that one property or that one cannabinoid

53:27

in the plant. It's T A C is what's really

53:30

banned. So you know, I

53:32

started my company, Herrington Wellness, and you

53:34

know, my first line that I launched is replay

53:36

you know, so as a replay him extract product

53:39

um that you know I use for recovery,

53:42

you know. And you know, one of the reasons why

53:45

when I got done playing, or inspired

53:47

me to push me out the league was my knee. Like

53:49

I could not get swelling out of my knee.

53:51

And because of the swelling, it always

53:53

you know I was always in pain. That's the same that you

53:55

went article across seas and had that surgy. I went

53:58

to I went to right, I went to Germany. Me I

54:00

had a procedure. I had every single procedure

54:02

you could have here in the United States trying to figure

54:04

out my knee and not until

54:07

I've finished my formulation to replay

54:10

and was able to use it and use

54:12

it consistently, that all the information

54:14

is out of my knee. And that's the only

54:16

reason why I was able to play in the Big Three was

54:19

because of this cream that I had made um

54:22

and because nothing else was working. Now that

54:24

you know I had these products, and you know it's

54:26

not only my company's other companies that are doing

54:28

you know that that have products and stuff like that. But

54:31

you know, I feel like CBD is going to be the gateway

54:33

into professional sports. And I think that people

54:35

need to wrap their head around at all. Cannabis

54:38

isn't bad and even the t A C side

54:40

is not bad. You know what I'm saying, is it still that

54:42

stigma on it that we are every

54:44

day changing and you know, one of the

54:46

things that I prided myself on, and you know,

54:49

having people like you know, stack being you know,

54:51

very supportive when we played in the Big Three.

54:53

You know what I'm saying, We we let everybody

54:56

know about our cannabis because to me,

54:58

once again, it was changing because me

55:01

and him was the best two players in the league, right

55:04

we both had all these other things going

55:06

on. He's doing TV, I'm running my company,

55:08

and we use cannabis every day. And

55:10

look at the success, look at the winds that

55:12

we're having while we're using it. And I

55:15

thought that was very important that we did that and to

55:17

let people know, like, look, man, like I'm a father

55:19

for you know, I manage a

55:21

business, I manage a household, I manage

55:24

all my other investments, I managed family.

55:26

I still hoop and I smoke weed

55:28

every day. And that's not true that when

55:30

you smoke, you're gonna be stuck on the couch, and especially

55:33

when you have access to CBD, CVD is not going

55:35

to do nothing. But actually, hell, I think that,

55:38

you know, obviously, with Baseball made the huge announcement

55:40

that they're no longer testing in the minor league. They never

55:42

testing the big leagues anyway, but making

55:45

that announcement now says that pretty much cannabis

55:47

is legal man. I'm surprised that they did it first,

55:50

you know what those what I was, I'm

55:52

not because there was never testing for

55:55

it, but was really what was

55:57

really unique about it is that there

55:59

was no backlash, zero

56:01

like none zero. It was on Sports Center

56:03

one day. They might have touched on it the next

56:06

day because it was having those meetings and that

56:08

was it. Why do you think that is? I

56:10

think because no one

56:13

care. The fans do not care

56:16

if players have access to cannabis. I don't

56:18

think they care anymore because it doesn't affect

56:20

the game. It does not affect what they do. And

56:22

you gotta remember we're professionals, right, so possibility

56:25

comes with we can drink to We

56:28

can drink as

56:31

much as we like to drink. On players like to drink.

56:33

So you like to drink, you like to smoke, Right,

56:35

you don't show up to the game's drunk. It's responsibility.

56:38

How many teammates. I've had one teammate

56:40

that showed up to a game drunk, but he

56:43

was not playing. He was in

56:45

the back, you know what I'm saying. He was sitting

56:47

on the bench, he wasn't playing. I'm just not about

56:49

to go and lace him up against Stephen Jackson

56:52

or Matt Barnes and gonna go get high

56:54

before I do that, play Katie

56:56

or a game. I'm not blowing like I'm

56:59

about to go like know you know what it

57:01

right, bro. But what I'm saying is like we are with professionals,

57:04

you know what I'm saying. And I think that fan

57:06

bases understand that too. And you may have one or two

57:08

guys, you know what I'm saying. Every sport has that

57:11

one guy that has, you know, problems beyond

57:14

you know what we can actually speak speak

57:16

on. You know what I'm saying. And those are the guys that you

57:18

have one bad apple. But you know, if

57:21

you live of players use cannabis, man, I just think it makes

57:23

it for a better league, you know. I think you know, with

57:25

players put themselves through to get

57:27

themselves ready to play the game, go

57:30

through all the emotions of the game, within

57:33

the game, after the game, and

57:35

what we do is we run the liquor and

57:37

we tell, go get me a bottle of sarat

57:39

Go give me a bottle of do say? And

57:42

you know we're sitting there and we're drinking, and now

57:44

we drink to the point where you know, if

57:47

you know if we're going to the next city or whatever,

57:49

like you know, you're dehydrated, for um,

57:53

you offer your game obviously, And

57:55

just imagine if and I know players

57:58

would do this because we all we're all looking or

58:00

advantage right to feeling

58:02

better, you know what I'm saying, Like it was one thing I laughed

58:04

about all times. Like me and Wilson Chandler, two players

58:06

that I know that have tried every in any kind

58:09

of workout, medicine, uh,

58:11

supplement that would make you feel better.

58:14

I have not found anything as good as cannabis.

58:16

So, like I said, just imagine after

58:18

a game, a trainer walks around with a

58:21

gummy bear, you know what I'm saying, with the edible

58:23

that's you know, a hundred milligrams

58:26

CBD at five percent T a C

58:28

and gives that to a player. He takes that

58:30

and allows him to start to relax. And

58:32

as we know, right and as we know, you know the cannabinois,

58:36

you know, it's a it's a natural

58:38

anti inflammatory and like you said,

58:40

it helps you sleep. So it's just so much

58:42

good that comes from it. So I

58:44

think that NHL is gonna be next. I

58:48

think NFL's definitely

58:50

after that because they got their collective bargaining, so they

58:52

may end up being before NHL. But I wouldn't

58:54

be surprised the NHL did it this season just

58:57

from some people I know, and then the NBA

58:59

is gonna have to do it, and they're open to it, you know.

59:01

Adam understands that, and you know, I

59:03

think that if any player ever decided to take

59:05

that step, as far as we're saying, it's his right

59:08

to use cannabis, especially players that

59:10

play in cities or states that it's

59:12

legal. Because with the state

59:14

that you live in says that it's medicinely legal

59:17

for you to have access to it if a doctor prescribes

59:19

you for it. So how can the league tell

59:22

you that you can't get the medicine

59:24

that you're and

59:27

they don't want that, you know what I'm saying. So you

59:29

know, it could be forced if it had to be, But

59:31

I think that, you know, the Players Association, you

59:33

know, they're very open to it. You know, obviously I talked to Michelle

59:36

Roberts and Chris Paul and them guys

59:38

all the time. Uh, they're on board,

59:40

you know, they they they they're they're

59:42

supportive of what we're doing. And

59:45

you know, now they're just waiting for just

59:47

you know, small things, you know, like some

59:50

form of a stamp of approval or or

59:52

stamp that can say that these

59:54

products are t a C free and but outside

59:57

of the cannabis. So they're looking forward from somewhere

59:59

FDA, someone like FDA certified

1:00:01

the different things like that, And those are the things that I'm working

1:00:03

on, you know what I'm saying, trying to figure that out. But

1:00:06

you know, we're very close, and you know, I think

1:00:08

that all of our work is about

1:00:10

to come to a head, and I think the player is about

1:00:12

to have access anything.

1:00:16

I really, like I said before we started this conversation,

1:00:18

I mean, you've we've all kind of done it, you

1:00:20

know what I mean. Like my I didn't

1:00:22

try to keep it a secret, but you know, I smoked, so I

1:00:24

came out right out the gates, you know what I mean. Post

1:00:27

career, we did that Bleach report ship and

1:00:29

kind of started running with it, you know, I mean, so it was really

1:00:31

my goal. I kind of felt like it was my responsibility

1:00:34

because I got popped towards the end of my

1:00:36

career. I was getting drug tested when

1:00:38

I was in Memphis, when

1:00:41

I played for Memphis. I was getting drugs testing once a

1:00:43

week and still smoking, and

1:00:46

still you didn't, you know. I mean, I just made it work.

1:00:48

But to me, there's no other alternative. Like you said,

1:00:50

I'm someone who I take a peel, my my

1:00:53

stomach hurts. I mean, I'm not really a drinker. I'm

1:00:55

a social drinker. I'm not a sit back and just drink

1:00:57

my sorrows away. So I've just always

1:00:59

smoked that. I just knew what it did for me, you know.

1:01:01

So the fact that there's now medical research

1:01:04

backing that up, you know what I mean. And because

1:01:06

we can talk about it, you know, we can talk about

1:01:08

our stories who were blue in the face. But until we started

1:01:11

getting this these research behind us, when

1:01:13

people start listening, you know what I mean. So I just think

1:01:16

our experiences, like you said at the top

1:01:18

of the line, you know the one percent, and you

1:01:20

know professional athletes are one percent. If we can be

1:01:22

functional and professional athletes

1:01:25

and fathers and business owners

1:01:27

and doing all this productive ship like, there has to

1:01:29

be something to it, you know. Like I said,

1:01:31

I got popped, and he

1:01:34

said, there's probably over two hundred dudes in the

1:01:36

in the drug program for weed alone, and

1:01:38

there's four D players in the NBA. And

1:01:41

I always say, like, I think it's n of

1:01:43

us to use cannabis in some shape, form and

1:01:45

fashion. And obviously one thousand percent in the

1:01:47

all season. You know what I'm saying, Like I see I

1:01:49

could see like a Steph Curry,

1:01:52

you know what I'm saying, like with his wife on vacation,

1:01:54

Like let's take this at a brier. Yeah, like what's

1:01:56

wrong with nothing? You shouldn't be penalized for

1:01:58

that. But imagine and if someone like

1:02:00

a Lebron or a k D

1:02:03

or something like that and came out to yah,

1:02:06

yeah, I medicated to help me with Lebron

1:02:08

spent at one point, it would probably take off that one

1:02:10

point five milli dollar a year Lebron

1:02:12

is paying for his body if he would you know, I mean he was because

1:02:15

imagine that he would take someone like that. Katie

1:02:17

did take a big step down because they invested in that cannabis

1:02:20

company Canada. I

1:02:22

think I think cannabis investments.

1:02:26

I mean, you know there's players

1:02:28

that you know that are definitely investing in stuff.

1:02:30

But you know, to our point, like

1:02:32

you know, they're using, they're

1:02:35

using, they're using more and there's more in the open than

1:02:38

it was when we was and we was doing it. You

1:02:40

know what I'm saying, Like we never sat

1:02:42

in the club. Who smoke? We did

1:02:47

everything? No, not not in not did

1:02:49

now y'all just smoked, like in the club in front of everybody,

1:02:52

Like, who didn't you didn't

1:02:54

you? It was not that you

1:02:57

want to call somebody right now right every

1:03:00

teammate was

1:03:04

not sing this

1:03:08

kid, I'm called,

1:03:15

are you kidding? They've been out the game too long? It

1:03:18

was not, it was not. It was not.

1:03:22

We were sitting in our area. He

1:03:24

used to be standing up smoking with his shot and

1:03:26

that was when New Year's was one time who

1:03:28

we got on the phone, tell

1:03:36

her we feel it right now. We felt we feel

1:03:38

it right out. Dude, he had to ask you something, but

1:03:41

I got a serious question for you. Do tell

1:03:43

her what Al said? First, Al said, I

1:03:46

don't know where he was at the time. Unbelievable,

1:03:48

But Al said, we didn't smoke in

1:03:50

the club when we wasn't Golden State. He

1:03:54

said, were

1:03:59

rolling. It don't matter, we're

1:04:02

rolling, it don't matter. We're smoking right now? Said

1:04:08

he said, Al didn't. Al didn't. I'm

1:04:14

about to argue with them, y'all got did, but

1:04:16

you gotta think just like you said, you just smoked

1:04:18

to the second year. Yeah, I told every

1:04:20

club by this, What do you

1:04:22

mean? We tipped

1:04:24

each bouncer ahead of dollars? We was good. So anyway

1:04:28

you're bad? Yeah, where were you? We forgive

1:04:30

you? Where were you? But anyway, like I said, you're

1:04:33

like, now, these I just don't feel like like these motherfuckers

1:04:35

shit in the middle of this because of what we

1:04:37

did right we started. Yeah,

1:04:41

these guys are using so you know, I think that the

1:04:43

numbers is like staggering and like how many

1:04:45

players actually use use cannabis now?

1:04:48

So you know, it's time for a change,

1:04:50

and it's coming. It's gonna happen soon and later. I think we

1:04:52

haven't even sooner than I thought, because a year I think

1:04:54

we did our bleached the report thing. I think we

1:04:56

said three to five years or whatever I was a year

1:04:59

ago, So it might be right, might

1:05:02

be right the third year. I think next year

1:05:04

there going it's gonna be some movement. I think so. But

1:05:06

talk about you know, rest in peace. The conversation

1:05:08

you have had with Stern kind of the entry way, you know what

1:05:10

I mean, because he was someone that was Stern

1:05:13

was his his reputation speak. He was mafia,

1:05:15

you know what I mean. And to sit down with him after

1:05:18

he had handed the reins off the Adam and in the in

1:05:20

the open, real conversation you guys had

1:05:22

that made real headwaves. Yeah, man,

1:05:24

it was obviously you

1:05:27

know I didn't. It wasn't in the game

1:05:29

plan, right, you know what I'm saying. I never was in my mind

1:05:31

thinking like I gotta eventually talk to David Stern

1:05:33

about this happened organically, you know what I'm

1:05:36

saying. I was in at this Milk and conference

1:05:38

here in l A. He was on the panel.

1:05:40

You know. I went to go see him speak and

1:05:42

afterwards, you know, walked up to me and the first

1:05:44

thing he said was how's your knee? And I

1:05:46

was just like, it's like, it's crazy as memory

1:05:49

I'm saying them like I'm al Aaronson and whatever

1:05:51

and all these players like for you to remember that was crazy.

1:05:54

But he's like, how did you need doing? I was like it's all

1:05:56

right, but a little blah, and you know, I start telling

1:05:58

him, you know what I was. He was like, what are you doing on here? So I

1:06:00

was just like I'm just trying to learn, and you know, I'm trying to figure

1:06:02

out what I'm doing do next. But I was like,

1:06:04

right now, I'm in the cannabis space and you know, and he

1:06:07

was just like, yeah, I live in uh, I live in

1:06:09

Aspen and it's all kind of dispensaries everywhere,

1:06:11

you know, I drive past them all the time. And

1:06:13

I was like, yeah, that's what I'm doing now. And I was just like,

1:06:16

uh, you know, also, I want to figure

1:06:18

out the way, you know, for players to have access to

1:06:20

cannabis like that. And he's like,

1:06:22

oh, no, hell no, blah blah blah blah

1:06:24

blah whatever whatever. And I was just like, no, I'm telling

1:06:26

you you gotta look at I said, you should look at it. It's

1:06:29

more information out there now. You should let me come

1:06:31

talk to you about it. And he was like fine.

1:06:33

So it took me like eight months to

1:06:36

get on this schedule, like literally

1:06:38

like eight months, bro. So eight months

1:06:40

later, I'm in New York. He tells me to

1:06:42

come by and you know, he's so busy or whatever.

1:06:44

He gave me like a twenty minute time slot at

1:06:46

twenty minutes to meet with him. And I get

1:06:48

there and you know, we started talking, and you know,

1:06:51

my grandmother's story breaks the ice for everybody,

1:06:53

like humanizes the plant. You know. I

1:06:56

feel like, you know what I'm saying, at least what people are willing

1:06:58

to be open minded enough to have a conversation

1:07:00

at that point. And when I told him that, you

1:07:03

know, he was just like wow, and you know, he's

1:07:05

like, that's an emotional story. And then

1:07:07

I just start telling about the players. I was just like, you

1:07:09

know, you know, and I started with the whole

1:07:11

responsibility thing. I was just like, you know, players

1:07:13

aren't gonna come high. And then you know, he mentioned

1:07:15

like back when he first took over, like that

1:07:18

was a real that they was on co He

1:07:22

was just like, you'll be amazed, guys will come

1:07:24

you know, the game. I was talking

1:07:26

to Jerry West the other day about something like that. When he was

1:07:29

coaching. He was telling me something. I'm like, what as

1:07:31

the coach, and then he knew. I was just like, damn

1:07:33

right, it was worse he's telling him.

1:07:36

So we're talking. So then I just I walked

1:07:38

him through the day of a player for the most part, was like

1:07:40

my first you know, and I just like, yo, you know,

1:07:42

I said, you probably noticed, but I said, you know, we wake

1:07:45

up, we showered last music, get

1:07:47

ourselves riled up, get to the stadium,

1:07:50

you know, go through film, get riled

1:07:52

up, play, go through the most of the game,

1:07:54

and you know how it is with officials and the coaches

1:07:57

and the fans. And I was like, you know, we really

1:07:59

trained our by these like we train our

1:08:01

bodies for real to play for four hours,

1:08:04

right, we played twenty minutes, you know what I'm saying.

1:08:06

So after the game were still on one. We need

1:08:08

something, like, we need something something

1:08:11

to bring us down. The thing that we've reached

1:08:13

for is the most unhealthy thing ever

1:08:15

alcohol alcohol. Then we have injuries

1:08:18

and ship like that in the first for the

1:08:20

opioids and that's the worst ship ever. So

1:08:23

you know, I explained that to him and the

1:08:25

flights and this, and I said, I imagine

1:08:27

we get an edible, we get a tincture,

1:08:30

and get to the point where we can ask for some specific

1:08:33

strains that we know that we'll do whatever

1:08:35

we need, you know what I'm saying for recovery. He

1:08:37

was just like, I never thought about it like that. That's

1:08:40

a very very interesting way to

1:08:42

look at it. And you know, he

1:08:44

was like you know, we should talk again with

1:08:46

to New York again, and we

1:08:48

chopped it up again, and this time I had more research

1:08:51

and I had like some paperwork that I gave him and stuff.

1:08:53

And then that's when I asked me. I was like, you mind going on camera

1:08:56

let me interview about this, and he was

1:08:58

just like, let me read up some about it or

1:09:00

whatever. And then he called me back a week later and he

1:09:02

was like, I'll do a enterview with you know problem. So

1:09:05

we did the interview, um and

1:09:09

you know, because he's an attorney, you know, he's not gonna

1:09:11

say anything he don't want to say or you don't mean. So

1:09:15

here I go me and the producers or whatever,

1:09:17

trying to craft questions to get him to

1:09:19

say, like players to have access to cannabis. Put

1:09:21

in a roundabout way. I had list of seventeen

1:09:23

questions. And it's impressive, man, you asked me all

1:09:25

these questions without having something. But

1:09:28

I'm looking. I'm like, and

1:09:30

I go through first question, second question, third question,

1:09:33

and literally he says the ship like

1:09:36

said it. Bro. He's like, yo, players should have

1:09:38

access to cannabis, and you know, they

1:09:40

should really look at this policy. It

1:09:43

doesn't make any sense anymore. You

1:09:45

know, it's it's it's it's it's now documented.

1:09:48

You know, information that says that, you know,

1:09:50

it's beneficial. And

1:09:52

I looked at the producer, like what

1:09:55

else you want me to do? That's all I came

1:09:57

for. Like you said, it came out and you

1:09:59

know the pack that it had, you know what I'm saying. Um,

1:10:02

obviously, I think it definitely. You know, it was a hit

1:10:04

amongst you know, the brotherhood and the players

1:10:06

and all that, obviously, but I think you

1:10:08

know, with the commissions of these leagues and stuff

1:10:11

like that, they had to take a look. I was

1:10:13

speaking for all of us, you know what I'm saying, every

1:10:15

sport, you know what I'm saying, And he was speaking

1:10:17

for all the sports. And I think

1:10:19

that, you know, someone especially like him because you know, he

1:10:22

was a tyrant. You know, he didn't play, you know, it was

1:10:24

his way of the you know what I mean. And

1:10:26

for him to say that, I think because everyone knows

1:10:29

how he is, they had to look at it. I

1:10:31

think that that's why that you know, that video was so

1:10:33

impactful. And it's crazy too,

1:10:35

because you know, I've been meaning every time

1:10:37

I go to New York I've been meaning to hit

1:10:39

him up and then next year, you know, you know, he dropped

1:10:41

that, you know for the most part, so you

1:10:43

know, it sucks. You know, a lot of people after

1:10:46

that the interview, they just knew that he was like, uh

1:10:48

on an investor, like everybody,

1:10:50

that's a first question. He's an investor, He's investor room

1:10:53

like No. But you know, one of the things I was gonna

1:10:55

ask some was actually, like to be on the board of my company,

1:10:58

because I would been amazing just to have in sight

1:11:01

a building business and changing, you

1:11:03

know, the way people because you know, people proceed

1:11:06

the NBA a certain way as a drug league

1:11:08

and it's too black, too drug. And

1:11:10

he had a vision. We talked about this on the Jump the a

1:11:13

couple of weeks ago with Rachel you know what I mean. He

1:11:15

had his vision of but

1:11:17

he his ideals and what he did and and branding

1:11:20

individual player like he had this whole play. So

1:11:23

I may only imagine him sitting

1:11:25

on your board. Would have guided you guys. So

1:11:27

that's what I mean with you know, with with doing

1:11:30

with excellence is having more access to people.

1:11:33

That's how we're gonna win, bro, We're gonna win in this industry.

1:11:36

I don't know how that. I don't know how it's gonna go, but

1:11:39

we're gonna win. The mess is gonna get

1:11:41

out on this. This is gonna be one of our you know what I mean.

1:11:43

We've all we've had some dope shows, but this one

1:11:45

is so educational. Like I said, this is

1:11:48

you know how important this is to me. You know what I mean, and I

1:11:50

know how important it is to you. And to

1:11:53

just keep pushing the word, you know what I mean? And like you

1:11:55

said, everybody can do ship individually

1:11:57

and probably be successful, but together we

1:12:00

would be unstoppable town.

1:12:03

Like we could like have ownership talking

1:12:05

about jobs and sillery jobs. Anybody,

1:12:07

man, you see this, any athletes, pass it to

1:12:10

your homeboys, you see it? Hit me up, hit al

1:12:12

up, hit jack up. Come together, come

1:12:14

join our team and let's take this ship over. Man. Let's

1:12:17

get on the NBA bro home stretch, get

1:12:20

on the NBA. Let you think about the NBA today,

1:12:22

how do you feel about it? It's cool,

1:12:25

Um, I don't really like to watch

1:12:27

it, you know what I'm saying. Um, I

1:12:29

just you know I'm not a fan of a hundred

1:12:31

and thirty four hundred and games

1:12:35

you know what I'm saying. And I just feel like it

1:12:38

should be more pride defensively, you know what I'm

1:12:40

saying. That. I know they changed the game to the point where you can't

1:12:42

touch, you know what I'm saying, But I think that it

1:12:46

just needs to be more pride defensively,

1:12:48

man. And then the whole life just some sometimes

1:12:51

it almost seems like they don't care as much because

1:12:53

they don't play. That's just how

1:12:55

the game is. That's not everybody, but

1:12:57

that's just some people. Like it's so see

1:13:00

out there. It's just like damn, like are you

1:13:02

kidding me? Like and then the resting,

1:13:04

and it's like then you rest, you don't play

1:13:06

the games. It's like when

1:13:09

we came up, the game was the show.

1:13:12

We took pride and playing eighty two games, playing

1:13:16

four games and five nights. That's less practice

1:13:19

that we

1:13:22

have to really used to have to practice, you

1:13:24

know what I mean, Like we go to war like I remember with stan

1:13:26

Van Gundy, we used to motherfucker have to have taped

1:13:28

angles and kneepaths and shoot around bro. Like we

1:13:31

got to it, you know what I

1:13:33

mean, We got to it. So it's

1:13:35

funny too because like we're not even now. I'm two

1:13:38

years removed. So when you talk like this, you're

1:13:40

a hater. You're this year that. It's not that at

1:13:42

all. This the game has completely changed. To me,

1:13:45

I don't have as much as I respect the fact

1:13:47

because it's it's continued to evolve. This is the sterns

1:13:49

playing, you know, a global game.

1:13:51

So people want to see highlights. They

1:13:54

want to see three pointers, dunks and high scores. They

1:13:56

don't want to see a defensive battle. They don't

1:13:58

want to see a Detroit, Indiana tie. They

1:14:00

do, but if there's no fight, like, who wants

1:14:02

to see game? You mean,

1:14:04

so the game is involved, But I feel what you're saying.

1:14:07

It's just like it just doesn't seem like that

1:14:09

competition and it's just you know, it's

1:14:11

just threes. You just run around shoot threes.

1:14:14

And I talked to an official yesterday, Um that's

1:14:16

into space, and he said to me, he's like, you know, these

1:14:18

guys are just so it's changing. You guys have

1:14:20

been going. He's like, oh, they do it, shoot threes and they drops

1:14:23

the whole they touch when they want to free throw. You know

1:14:25

what I'm saying. So it's just but the game is, but

1:14:27

the skill level they

1:14:30

got incredible. They would

1:14:32

today's game. I think I'd be solid. You

1:14:35

know, I could do it, you know what I'm

1:14:37

saying. But it wouldn't have been no inside. I just have to do everything

1:14:39

from the outside. I wish I'd have been cool with because I had

1:14:41

handled and then I can shoot. I think I

1:14:43

would have been able to make this transition for you,

1:14:46

you know what I'm saying. I mean when I came in the league

1:14:48

and we came in, it was inside out ball shagged.

1:14:51

Had to touch the inside before you even But

1:14:54

by the time we was on the end and it was

1:14:56

like yeah, and after yeah, it was like kind

1:14:58

of done. You know what I'm saying. Now you book at

1:15:00

Like I went to go see uh Oklahoma City

1:15:02

play um the paces in the

1:15:04

big Kid Turner. You know, he didn't touch

1:15:06

the paint one time on the offensive. Then like

1:15:09

I watched the I was near the entire game on the

1:15:11

floor, and he did not touch the paint

1:15:13

on the offensive in one possession. Bro Crashing

1:15:17

not just I'm like, what, like, what

1:15:19

is going on? He's seven, but he's skilled. I'm

1:15:25

just like, then, but you're not gonna touch the paint one

1:15:27

time. We're

1:15:30

gonna get one offensive rebound, one

1:15:33

switch, nothing. But that's

1:15:35

how the game is played. But you know, like I said, you know

1:15:38

it's not it's not what I like to watch. For now, maybe

1:15:40

when my kids get into it, I can get back in. So

1:15:42

there's not no players you like to watch. Oh yeah, of course

1:15:44

I like I should play. I like, you know, I like to

1:15:46

I like Katie obviously. You know Brian

1:15:49

is you know, my my

1:15:51

goat. He let's talk about that. So

1:15:54

you got give me your top three Brian

1:15:57

Mike uh uh

1:16:01

probably like shock all of them buckets

1:16:03

Cold gave you, and you're just not gonna disrespect

1:16:06

him. I'm not disrespecting him, just saying you asked

1:16:08

me who my top is, saying who

1:16:10

gave you more buckets? The Cold Code

1:16:13

for said who gave you more buckers? At

1:16:15

all of them? Think right,

1:16:17

gave me all of us together, you

1:16:20

get a lot of Code bucks. Stop

1:16:23

it. Gold was Cold. I mean, Cod was the guy. But

1:16:25

I'm asking Broad is the best player because I

1:16:27

feel like, just because you talk about the best

1:16:29

basketball player, not the best killer

1:16:32

instinct, you understand what I'm saying,

1:16:34

the fact that he can play all five

1:16:36

positions, the fact that he's done this ship

1:16:39

for seventeen years consistently,

1:16:41

no drop off at any

1:16:43

time, and we've been saying, well, we're not we're

1:16:46

big teeth in right now, like you're really feeling this. But

1:16:48

I'm saying he's the best all around

1:16:51

player of all times. There's no question. Don't

1:16:53

give him that. But if you ask

1:16:55

me, do I gotta start with I gotta start an organization

1:16:58

and I need a bad motherfucker could him.

1:17:01

No, I'm going with Mike. Really,

1:17:04

I'm going with Mike. Yeah, going

1:17:07

with Mike. But outside

1:17:09

of that, it's him dog hands down,

1:17:11

that over magic Bird, all

1:17:14

of them. Yeah, no matter that I'm

1:17:16

not who don't win the

1:17:18

Clippers leg us. The only

1:17:20

thing that the Clippers that scared me is because they keep doing

1:17:23

all these dudes not playing and all that kind

1:17:25

of rest. I don't know those too, but but

1:17:27

you know it's something to be said about, you know, you

1:17:30

like respected, I'm not mad at it because you

1:17:33

gotta build that camaraderie and that feel

1:17:35

for each other. They're like, they're not like that to me,

1:17:37

Like you know, you know, PG, it's

1:17:40

still like evolving, you know, it's

1:17:42

not like he had like a killer playoffs series before,

1:17:45

you know what I'm saying. So it's not like he just proved improving

1:17:47

where you're like, you knowing the playoffs, he's about

1:17:49

to just turn it up to the contract.

1:17:52

That's what he got. No, he got a game. But I'm

1:17:55

not listen, I'm not saying you don't have game or none of that. I'm

1:17:57

just saying it's not like you know PG to

1:17:59

be like when the playoffs come taking

1:18:02

That's all I'm saying. So all I'm saying is like

1:18:05

I feel like, you know, Kauai was able to do that

1:18:07

last year. You know what I'm saying that, Like that's rare,

1:18:10

Like it's not a lot of players that can go ending

1:18:12

out the lineup and all that, getting that and

1:18:14

go here, that's go o second time. Right, Okay,

1:18:17

So he's done it twice, so that my point

1:18:19

being is like he's known for that, right,

1:18:21

PG is not known for that, you know what I'm saying

1:18:23

that nobody else on their team. So all I'm saying is

1:18:25

like I would like to see them play more

1:18:27

games together and start and take

1:18:30

the season serious. They're taking it like this, see

1:18:32

they take the Lakers game serious. They take that, but

1:18:34

that's what I'm saying. So my whole thing is like, I don't

1:18:36

know how that's gonna end up. I will say

1:18:39

that I feel like the Lakers are taking every game

1:18:41

serious, so because of that, that

1:18:44

might play into it. If they don't. You

1:18:46

know, if they don't like serious,

1:18:48

it's up. The Clippers have

1:18:51

me doing fifty cushups. So

1:18:56

what I'm saying real quick, with

1:18:58

the injuries you had through at your career, if

1:19:01

load management with the thing, you think that would have put

1:19:03

some years on your career. Um, if

1:19:05

you really just sat because

1:19:07

like I said, I tell people, because we entervieed the markets

1:19:09

too, I said, we have to be protected from ourselves. Like

1:19:12

at the end of that, we want to get out there. But

1:19:14

if they have this research now backing it up

1:19:16

that if you rest here there and I feel

1:19:18

what I feel both sides like fans want to come see

1:19:21

you play. But at the end of the day, if it's about winning championships

1:19:23

is what we make everything about, why

1:19:26

would you not want your players to be the absolute

1:19:28

most rest that could be. Knowing the fucking were

1:19:30

and tear our bodies take. You know, we both

1:19:33

all know how firsthand our bodies say, so

1:19:35

we're strategically rest throughout the season

1:19:38

and start revving up at the right time. To me, post

1:19:40

playoffs is the right time and start getting on. That's

1:19:42

how fast we have, man. I mean, I understand it's

1:19:45

more of just as I

1:19:48

just don't respect it because I think that the part of

1:19:50

the reason why it's the eighty two games season and all

1:19:53

that is because it's a it's the is the journey

1:19:56

is the journey. But so it's like I want to be

1:19:58

tired in the end. I want want you to. I

1:20:01

want to I want to tired

1:20:05

and see all that. But why why I say

1:20:07

it's different with that too, is because these kids

1:20:09

now are playing more games before they get to

1:20:11

where we're at. You played a lot of games because you came

1:20:14

straight from high school. Excuse me, but the AU

1:20:16

system. Now these kids are playing so much games, their

1:20:19

bodies are so worn down by the time

1:20:21

they get to where the one percent get

1:20:23

that their knees when they're coming in at a team,

1:20:25

their knees are twenty seven. Yeard needs manage

1:20:28

it down there, manage it when I'm paying I'm

1:20:31

coming out to watch you play. Maybe maybe

1:20:33

that's the real talk that ship manage

1:20:36

you because is

1:20:38

the journey, you know. And then

1:20:40

I feel what you're saying. But to me, like having

1:20:43

kids in the game, I understand it now, you know. I mean,

1:20:45

so I'm looking at it like this next generation,

1:20:47

like it's if it's strategically

1:20:50

done, it's the right thing to do. Like I have no problem.

1:20:52

And we talked to lou Will. Lou Will said us

1:20:54

hurt management, like he

1:20:57

look he liked, Yeah, he want

1:20:59

to play. I know about it. You know what I'm saying. He loved a

1:21:01

whop. So I figured that they just they

1:21:03

didn't want the media. Like his knees messed

1:21:05

up his back, so I figured he was something's bobbing

1:21:08

us. I've been talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about

1:21:10

even guys on teams that it's not playing

1:21:12

for a championship, I mean and doing low men and

1:21:15

telling him or god us in his second year

1:21:17

still developed, developing. We're not gonna tell you

1:21:19

the rest of the year, what is

1:21:21

going on? Bro? I hear. That's to go back and

1:21:23

touching. What I said was what this what's coming out

1:21:26

now is it's not even a you. It's

1:21:28

the middle school basketball because

1:21:30

they're not even learning nothing. So it's making it's making

1:21:32

them worse. And they're playing a middle school basketball

1:21:35

the whole school year getting hurt in that time.

1:21:38

He was fine because they traveling, they learned a lot middle

1:21:40

school and not learning nothing. So that's waste of the time. And

1:21:42

that's why a lot of them getting hurt in middle school. That's like

1:21:45

said, the school balls for nothing. Now, like like,

1:21:49

that's why I'm culturing my kids, Like I'm not letting them get

1:21:51

wrapped up in even if basketball is love what they do

1:21:53

for this what they do, but just it's such a dirty ground.

1:21:55

But I like what you said, Like, man, thats

1:21:58

how to dribble, like you to shoot, run, jumped

1:22:00

the driven to not teach them drill. Just make sure

1:22:02

you don't teach yourself how to phone his face and bust

1:22:04

his motherfucking face over to get a whole new grill

1:22:07

and flattened his nose out. But

1:22:15

you know you once

1:22:24

we all got new parlies over here. I'm

1:22:27

talking about him. Turn

1:22:33

a lot of ship, anybody,

1:22:39

Man, let's

1:22:43

get back to this ship. We've got the final

1:22:46

um one

1:22:49

of the one of the l A team. You

1:22:51

think, so the Battle of l A is gonna year

1:22:54

finals winner. Whoever wins, that's gonna

1:22:56

win the finals. This shouldn't be that

1:22:58

shouldn't be that horrified. No, out of the East. No,

1:23:00

I'm just periods. Yeah,

1:23:03

it's uh so it's one of the teams out of l A because

1:23:05

that's fair, and I'm gonna

1:23:07

go with Milwaukee.

1:23:11

It should be Milwaukee. But I just feel

1:23:13

like sunk could get shut down. So not

1:23:17

Philly, Boston, just Boston,

1:23:20

just because I think I think the Kimber factor,

1:23:23

the Kimber factor should step in. I just feel

1:23:25

like with with Philly there's

1:23:27

some leadership issues there and

1:23:29

like somebody can't. I think it's somebody

1:23:32

got to take charge and it's just like that

1:23:35

out and then obviously they playing

1:23:37

well too. But I don't know Away.

1:23:41

Yeah, I don't know anybody on the team but him, but

1:23:43

they are a good team. But yeah, I would say I would

1:23:45

say Boston and one of the l A teams. So the

1:23:47

rivalry back, that's another vision they

1:23:50

had, right, they want those two teams to be viola,

1:23:54

let's do it final party. So you got the Lakers,

1:23:56

Boston, Lakers, Boston party of

1:23:58

Viola, party of we're winning, like

1:24:03

I got the Clippers winning. But to

1:24:07

me, whoever wins about is gonna win the final No

1:24:10

disrespect to the rest of leage. That's just what it is. Last

1:24:13

question. People you

1:24:16

could sit, smoke and just be creative

1:24:18

as funk with in my life

1:24:21

are alive? Who's at your table? Not

1:24:25

kind of me and Jack give some other

1:24:27

people space, all right, So I gotta have

1:24:29

Bead there, just

1:24:31

like to you know, for everything, you gotta

1:24:33

explain that and see the whole thing, make sure it all

1:24:35

makes sense. Uh. I

1:24:39

want to smoke with Obama? Yeah?

1:24:43

Um, I want to smoke

1:24:45

with like

1:24:48

legends, and I want Bob there just

1:24:51

to hit the herb with him. Young Marley

1:24:55

Damn. Who else would I want to smoke with? Um?

1:25:01

You know I'm on some history ship, so like you know, just

1:25:03

better learn and do like so Marcus Garvey,

1:25:05

I got a smoke with him. So that's

1:25:08

what we're waiting for you to go that

1:25:10

type of ship. Um, and then I'll

1:25:12

probably just have another like entertainer. Uh.

1:25:17

Who would I want to smoke? I

1:25:20

don't know, somebody like Lenny Kravis, none other

1:25:22

Cravits, Jimmy Hendricks. When

1:25:25

you said somebody finding it was funny because the way he had Eddie

1:25:27

Murphy is he had

1:25:29

somebody had Obama two? It is too beat

1:25:31

beat my Eddie Murphy perfect

1:25:35

every man,

1:25:40

that's a rap. All the Smoke,

1:25:43

legendary episode. Man, I think this episode

1:25:45

is gonna make a lot of headways, hope

1:25:47

of us. You know, we got to bring people together.

1:25:50

Um. Athletes need to be able to smoke. We

1:25:53

need to love each other. We're gonna smoke anyway

1:25:56

regardless. Uh Man,

1:25:58

hell of the show. I thank

1:26:00

you for having man. Hold on, let me wipe. What's

1:26:03

going on with Chad? Let me sla

1:26:06

him moist?

1:26:08

Don't want to feel it. You don't

1:26:10

want to feel it? Has not more with

1:26:15

two of us. You play

1:26:18

with you. I

1:26:20

forgot to hold through and sweatshirt. You

1:26:24

want it to be changed. Don't

1:26:28

don't do me like that is not get

1:26:31

petty. It is nice and wet bron

1:26:33

I thought she was playing with yourself down there. That's crazy

1:26:36

on on camera too. The

1:26:40

biggest hayter Man, catch

1:26:42

you Thursday. All the smoke,

1:26:44

the biggest what I got, Al Harrington,

1:26:47

I'm too fresh to be still that's

1:26:52

the rat man. All the smoke. Great

1:26:54

episode with my brother Al. Uh.

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