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all know that a trip taken

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with kids and grandparents feels vastly

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different from a long weekend with

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friends. Vacations taken with different generations

1:01

of the family can bring on

1:03

their own stresses. What activities to

1:05

plan, picking the right destination, accommodating

1:07

everyone's needs all while trying to

1:09

avoid the usual family arguments. That

1:12

doesn't mean that multi-generational family vacations

1:14

aren't worth it. According to the

1:16

Family Travel Association over 50% of

1:18

parents say they plan to travel

1:20

with kids or grandparents this year. With

1:22

us to talk about how to plan a vacation

1:25

with multiple generations of your family or friends

1:27

is and to give us some ideas

1:29

about traveling in our area and farther

1:32

away if you're feeling more adventurous is

1:34

Paul Brady, Travel and

1:36

Leisure's News Director Paul Welcome.

1:40

Thank you so much. What a pleasure. And

1:42

listeners of course we want to hear

1:45

from you. Are you planning your summer

1:47

travel? Anything different with different generations of

1:49

your family involved? What do you think

1:51

are the keys to success in planning

1:53

a successful intergenerational trip? Have you done

1:55

it? Have you not done it? 212-433-963

2:00

You can call us, you can text us at the

2:02

number, and you can also reach us

2:04

on all of the social medias at all

2:06

of it, WNYC. Paul,

2:09

I think we're hinting at the fact that there's

2:11

a lot of challenges in this area when traveling

2:14

with multi-generational groups, but before

2:16

we dig into that, I'm

2:18

curious what the benefits you

2:21

think might be. Yeah,

2:24

that's a great perspective. I think there

2:26

are tremendous benefits to traveling with your

2:28

bigger family, and I think it starts

2:30

with just the definition of a family.

2:33

Who is a family these days? And

2:35

I think at T&L, we take a

2:37

broad view of that, whether you're grandparents

2:39

with kids, you're a blended family, whatever

2:42

your circumstances, getting out

2:44

of your everyday routine and experiencing

2:46

something awe-inspiring together can really create

2:48

new memories and open new pathways.

2:51

And I think that's one of

2:53

the reasons that multi-generational travel has

2:55

been trending so highly

2:58

in these recent years. Do

3:00

you think it is good

3:02

for relationship building in family

3:05

environments, family structures, family units?

3:09

I would say so. We're

3:12

very much into travel, but I

3:15

think all kinds of travel can help you

3:17

become a better person, become a better spouse,

3:19

become a better parent, become a better child.

3:23

Doing new things together opens

3:25

your mind, and I think that's one of

3:27

the reasons we love travel. Well, knowing that

3:29

there are going to be some challenges, first

3:31

of all, there's always challenges when you're traveling

3:34

with a larger group of people in general,

3:37

but knowing that there are going

3:39

to be some challenges traveling with

3:41

a multi-generational group, how

3:43

do you get yourself in the right mindset for that?

3:45

Before we even dig into specifics, just saying, if you're

3:48

the one in charge, how do you get yourself

3:53

in the right mindset? Yeah,

3:55

that's a great question, and planning is really key. going

4:00

on the trip, I think the more

4:02

button-up you need to be. And remember, I

4:04

would just say at the top, you don't

4:06

have to put that on yourself. There are

4:08

tons of great travel advisors out there who

4:10

can be your asset and your advocate and

4:12

whose help you can call on. So I

4:14

would say to people first and foremost, don't

4:16

feel like you have to put all that

4:18

pressure on yourself. That

4:20

being said, if you do want to take it

4:22

on, I think it's important to go into the

4:25

planning with a sense of listening and an open

4:27

mind. I think many difficulties

4:29

can be avoided if we listen

4:31

to the others in our traveling group ahead of

4:33

time and kind of compromise before

4:35

we even get there. And that can really smooth

4:38

over any snags that might come up. Paul,

4:40

we got a text. Four families, eight adults, 11

4:43

kids, five dogs at a

4:45

lake house in upstate New

4:47

York this summer. Nervous but excited.

4:50

That's a lot of people at a lake house.

4:52

I'm sure it's going to be great. I'm just

4:54

going to stay positive. Is

4:56

that part of getting in the mindset, Paul, just kind

4:58

of staying positive about it? Yeah,

5:01

I like that. Nervous but excited. That's how I

5:03

feel about most trips. Yeah, I

5:05

think so. You know, if I were

5:07

heading out on that on a similar

5:10

itinerary, my thought would go

5:12

to let's assign each group that's

5:14

attending to be in charge

5:16

of dinner and entertainment one night. And that

5:18

takes a lot of the pressure off one

5:21

person to make sure everybody's happy. So

5:23

you know, you guys do your specialty,

5:25

we'll do our specialty. And the

5:28

other thing I would say is not everybody

5:30

has to do everything together. That's such a

5:32

common thing we hear from families. Well, we have

5:34

to spend every waking moment together. I'm

5:36

here to tell you, you have permission not

5:38

to do that. Yeah. In fact, when you

5:41

do different things during the day, that gives

5:43

you something to talk about when you come back together in

5:45

the evening for a meal or, you know,

5:47

sitting around a campfire. And I find that that

5:49

leads to some great conversations. Yeah. And I

5:51

want to dig into those different kinds of things that

5:53

you can plan. But, you

5:56

know, sort of tipping on nervous

5:58

but excited listeners. how

6:00

do you navigate that nervousness, that stress

6:02

of traveling with kids, parents, grandparents? Do

6:04

you have any tips to share with

6:06

Paul and I about making

6:09

sure things go smoothly? Are there

6:11

activities that you like to plan

6:13

for a big multi-generational group? We

6:15

want to hear from you, 212-433-9692-212-433-WNYC. You

6:23

can call. You can text that number. And

6:26

Paul, I want to bring a listener into the

6:28

conversation. Gordon, good afternoon. Hi,

6:31

how are you? Great. What's

6:34

your experience? We had a

6:36

great vacation

6:38

in Italy when

6:40

our daughter was

6:43

two-ish and

6:45

we rented an apartment in a

6:47

small town in Italy with

6:50

me, my wife, our daughter, and

6:52

my father. It

6:55

was a great opportunity to

6:57

spend time together but also

6:59

to spend time apart. We

7:02

could split off when we needed to. My

7:06

wife and I decided we would share

7:09

the town and walking trips with

7:11

our daughter and teach her the

7:13

numbers. I'm

7:15

sorry, I said Italy. I meant France. I'm

7:17

sorry, it's out of France. And we would

7:20

teach her the numbers in French by reading

7:23

the street signs,

7:25

the house numbers. It

7:27

was such a small town that there were no numbers

7:29

above 14. She

7:32

learned from Anto Cattroles. Nice, nice.

7:35

Thanks for the call, Gordon. We appreciate it.

7:38

So Paul, traveling with kids

7:40

can be different depending on

7:42

the age of the kids,

7:44

right? So traveling with toddlers

7:46

or babies and traveling with

7:48

pre-teens and then traveling with

7:50

teens can all have their

7:53

own challenges associated with it.

7:57

We can't just say, hey, when you're traveling with kids, do you want to go

7:59

to the school? this. So let's maybe talk

8:01

about the age group that Gordon mentioned

8:03

there, kind of younger children. What's some

8:05

good advice for folks traveling with younger

8:08

children? Sure.

8:10

Well, I think one of the things I

8:12

love about that story is that education was

8:14

a part of it, and that's something that

8:16

we hear very much, that teaching kids about

8:18

the world and exposing them to new cultures

8:20

and new languages is a key

8:22

motivator. So, you know, if

8:24

you're traveling with especially younger ones, I think

8:26

it's important to ask, you know, wherever you're

8:29

staying, can you help us

8:31

out? Is there something that you

8:33

can do? Many hotels and even,

8:35

you know, vacation rentals now offer

8:37

sort of hotel-like services or concierge-style

8:39

services. So I think one thing

8:41

to keep in mind, and I

8:43

kind of touched on this, but you don't have to

8:45

do everything yourself, you know, there are

8:48

young kids all over the world, right? So they're

8:50

set up for that wherever it is you're headed,

8:52

they're set up to take care of your kids

8:54

and help you along. And one thing we hear

8:56

from readers often is that, especially in Europe, places

9:00

are so much more welcoming to young kids than

9:02

you might expect based on experiences that you may

9:04

have had here in the States. Paul,

9:07

let's bring in Carol to the

9:09

conversation. Good afternoon, Carol. Good

9:12

afternoon. Thanks for taking my call. Real

9:15

brief, this is my parents' 50th wintering anniversary

9:17

and I was living in New York at

9:19

the time. My brother down in D.C. said,

9:22

let's get together and rent a house in

9:24

Mohovac Beach, Delaware, which is about a three

9:26

and a half hour drive from New York

9:28

City. And it was great.

9:31

My tip and what I suggest is get

9:34

a house, check out the layout.

9:36

If you've got older people, like people in their

9:38

80s, make sure that they have the bedroom on

9:40

the bottom floor and that they have the bathroom

9:42

of their own. Anybody young, put

9:44

them upstairs, just make sure everybody has their

9:47

own bedroom and their own bath. A lot

9:49

of these rentals have that. It's nothing like

9:51

living in New York City. You have extra

9:54

bathrooms, extra bedrooms. Think

9:57

about ordering pizza on the day you

9:59

arrive. and maybe Chinese food on

10:01

the day you leave and in between

10:04

maybe plan on going to a restaurant

10:06

where everybody chips in. Otherwise the earlier

10:08

caller said everybody takes a

10:10

diet and says they'll prepare the dinner. And

10:13

Carol this was for a special occasion

10:15

anniversary you said? Yes

10:18

and it continued. So that was back in 2002.

10:20

We continued that for 20 years even though

10:24

my parents have passed away. The next

10:27

generation we just keep doing it.

10:30

Paul, anniversaries, birthdays can also be a good

10:32

time to kind of gather everyone together for

10:34

a trip and to your point about you

10:37

know you're not going to go anywhere where

10:39

somebody is not going to have something for

10:41

kids to do. There are

10:43

really a lot of ways

10:45

to kind of tap into you don't have to

10:48

take the party with you where I guess I'm

10:50

going with this right. Like you can kind of

10:52

do some party planning once you get there if

10:54

you plan right right? Yeah

10:57

absolutely and I think some really excellent

10:59

insights there from the caller about

11:02

keeping in mind accessibility not

11:04

just you know sort of mobility challenges that people

11:07

may have but also just the comfort level of

11:09

people right. Like everybody

11:11

having their own individual space to retreat

11:13

to is such a benefit of a

11:15

vacation rental and I have to say

11:17

companies like Airbnb or VRBO have

11:20

really up their game in terms of

11:22

the accessibility and the information that's available

11:24

about what the house is really like

11:26

once you're there. On the

11:29

event side though for sure you know places like

11:32

Mohovac Beach or places out

11:34

west that you might head to to really

11:36

celebrate you know you're not the first

11:38

person to show up on vacation and

11:40

you probably won't be the last and so

11:42

remember that they've got a they've got a system

11:44

set up to make sure you have

11:47

a great time. So again don't be afraid to take

11:49

some of that pressure off yourself to make the perfect

11:51

trip just being there is the

11:53

whole goal. We have a text

11:55

we do a week at the beach with now

11:57

five different families 24 people all of

12:00

the families are very competitive. We do

12:02

a dip and drink night. Kids make

12:04

and design their own dip. The adults

12:06

do drinks. There's voting for the best,

12:08

and top three winners get cheers. So

12:11

that sounds like some really good planning

12:13

there when you have five different families,

12:15

24 people, all ages. Now, what

12:18

I'm wondering is, how do you

12:20

decide who's the planner? Boy,

12:24

I wish I had the answer to that

12:26

one. You know, having something like

12:29

that that's a competition. You know, a colleague

12:31

of mine told me about that group

12:34

trips where you almost set up a version

12:36

of that reality show Chopped, where there's a

12:38

sort of cooking competition and you make the

12:40

kids do their best recipe. Sounds like a

12:42

thrilling time, but it's a great open question

12:45

on who has to take the burden of

12:47

planning it and making sure it's all there.

12:49

I mean, some people love to take on planning. Is

12:52

it right to just sort of defer to people who

12:54

are like, you know what, I got this. Well,

12:59

you know, I don't know that I'd say it's right or wrong. I

13:02

think if you're going on one of

13:04

these trips, it's probably worth having a

13:07

call with everybody who is participating and

13:09

being upfront and being frank with each other and

13:11

say, hey, we can all pitch in and help

13:14

each other out because we don't want somebody to

13:16

not get their vacation. Right. That's what we're really

13:19

worried about is that somebody at

13:21

the end of this feels like they didn't get

13:23

their week vacation down at the beach. Right. They

13:25

ended up being the party planning committee. Right. So

13:29

again, I think communicating ahead of

13:31

time, your expectations and also your

13:33

desires is really critical. Another

13:36

text came in here, Paul, just returning from a

13:39

spring break where six of us ages seven to

13:41

82 took a Disney cruise. I

13:45

was surprised I didn't feel trapped or nickeled

13:47

and dimed. It was a lovely getaway for

13:49

all of us, even our most taciturn and

13:51

anxiety prone. Also, another

13:54

text, we have a bicostal family, many nieces and

13:56

nephews. This summer, our close friends, three of their

13:58

girls from Philly, three of our nephews from

14:00

Washington will all join us for the

14:03

first annual Auntie Camp in

14:05

New Hampshire. Listeners, are you

14:07

planning your summer vacation right now? Here's

14:10

your opportunity. We're talking right

14:12

now with Paul Brady, Travel

14:14

and Leisure's News Director, about planning

14:17

intergenerational summer vacations. It's your chance

14:19

to chime in. Tell us

14:21

something that went well for you. 212-433-9692. You

14:26

can text us. You can call us at that number. Paul, we're

14:28

going to get back to it in just a second. We're going

14:30

to take a quick break. I'm Tiffany Hanson-Infra-Ellison. This is all

14:33

of it. I'm Tiffany Hanson-Infra-Ellison Stewart. We

14:43

are talking intergenerational vacations, how

14:46

to plan a successful one,

14:48

how to avoid some pitfalls.

14:51

Our guest is Paul Brady, Travel and Leisure's

14:53

News Director. Paul, I'm going to go right.

14:55

We were talking about Auntie Camp in New

14:57

Hampshire. I want to go right to our phones here and bring in Erin.

14:59

Hi, Erin. Hello.

15:02

I'm so glad I got on. Thank

15:04

you. Yeah, you wanted to

15:06

talk about a camp? I

15:09

do. So, family camp.

15:12

Camp Common Ground. It's at Common Ground

15:14

Center in Darksboro, Vermont, which

15:17

is about 40 minutes south

15:19

of Burlington. And

15:22

it is one of the – I now have

15:24

four adult children, but as they

15:26

were growing up in many different – I

15:29

had under four,

15:33

between six and ten, and

15:35

then teens. And

15:37

trying to do something that sort of

15:39

served us all was

15:41

challenging. So, we found

15:44

family camp, and we would

15:46

go as a family. There

15:49

were different options of camping, or different

15:51

options of lodging. So, there's camping. You

15:53

could pop a tent. So, the teens

15:55

kind of pop their tent. We had a

15:57

cabin. in

16:00

the woods that had no electricity and

16:02

then there was shared, there's a shared

16:05

bathhouse with various families that are using

16:07

the cabins and then for different

16:10

grades of comfort there's also the

16:12

eco lodge which has electricity and

16:14

their own bathroom. So

16:16

people brought grandparents,

16:18

aunts, uncles and then there

16:21

is a group you

16:23

eat together as a camp in the

16:25

dining hall and it's a buffet style

16:28

vegetarian meal. And then

16:30

during the day, kids go to

16:32

Kidville, teens go to teen group,

16:35

adults go to various activities

16:37

arts and glassblowing,

16:39

woodworking, just

16:41

things to try. So this served everyone and

16:44

it was life changing and we continue to

16:46

go and I'm hoping to bring my

16:49

cousins and aunt and babies this

16:51

summer. With Erin. Thank

16:53

you. It really does sound like

16:55

an all inclusive, at least for

16:58

the age groups. So Paul,

17:00

is that kind of the name of the

17:02

game you have to kind of plan for

17:04

every person, every eventuality in

17:07

the group if it's going to be

17:09

successful? Well

17:12

I don't know that one person has

17:14

to plan it but I do think

17:16

having activities and things to do during

17:18

the day for different age groups can

17:20

really help. We've seen a huge rise

17:22

in what's called glamping, these sort of

17:25

street step campgrounds

17:27

and I think what we're talking about here is

17:29

all sort of a similar idea that people want

17:31

to be outside, people want to be engaged, people

17:33

want to be off their devices. And

17:37

then when they come together in the evening for those shared

17:39

meals and to sit around the campfire they want stories to

17:41

tell about what they did that day. And

17:44

so whether that's under Canvas or

17:46

a company called Hatopia, one of these

17:48

glampground operators, a more traditional camp like

17:50

this or even a cruise which somebody

17:53

had mentioned earlier in the program, a

17:57

cruise gives you an opportunity to kind of split up

17:59

during the day. Do different things and

18:01

things that are tailored to your interest and abilities by

18:03

the way and then come together and

18:05

talk about it At the end of the day

18:07

and you get a real Energy

18:10

and and I just love hearing that call or

18:12

describe it as life-changing. I mean, isn't that the

18:14

whole point? Well and on a cruise

18:16

right nobody then is forced to be in charge of the

18:18

food, right? There's not a like, you

18:20

know somebody you get kitchen duty, you know, you

18:22

can kind of right Yeah

18:26

Here's a good question Paul. Can

18:28

you also address the perfectly normal

18:30

and acceptable choice to decline a

18:32

vacation with in-laws? When

18:34

one would need a vacation twice as

18:36

long afterward to recover from the stress Right.

18:44

All right time time for Paul to put his

18:46

therapist hat on what do you got for that person

18:48

Paul? Well,

18:51

you know one thing that has proven very

18:53

successful in my life is to travel over

18:55

the holidays And there's really no better excuse

18:57

to not come to the Thanksgiving dinner. Then

18:59

I'm sorry I'm going to be on a

19:02

river cruise in Europe You

19:04

know if you have a big trip planned of

19:06

your own people get excited for you And

19:10

that can be your own family tradition, you know

19:12

and something that I've done In

19:14

my own life is start this tradition of

19:16

traveling by sea over the holidays and it's

19:18

really rewarding and also fewer crowds At that

19:20

time of year, so that's my strategy well

19:25

Here's here's another kind of follow-up

19:27

question to that My family has

19:29

taken multi-generational vacations every year for

19:31

the last 20 years and every year for the last

19:33

20 years Somebody gets

19:35

into a fight with my mother. I love

19:38

this question How do we set

19:40

expectations and avoid this going into this year's

19:42

trip? So this is not a case of

19:44

like you're allowed to politely decline and say

19:47

I'm going to be on board a ship

19:49

sailing the Danube Your

19:51

attendance is required How

19:54

do you get around Complicated

19:57

family dynamics, let's say,

20:01

Yeah. Matter of like I guess

20:03

is it's just a matter of like

20:05

saying okay to to kind of avoid

20:07

that scenario. Let's each plan something that

20:09

gets us apart To your point right?

20:11

gets us apart for the day. You.

20:15

Will you know what I was going Suggest

20:18

As May Taking a second look at Weird

20:20

Years Day, you know of There are a

20:22

lot of interesting vacation rentals these days that

20:24

aren't just one big house where everybody comes

20:27

together in the same space, but actually have

20:29

multiple spaces. You know it's it's one main

20:31

farmhouse and then in one of those cute

20:33

little tiny homes that to the side of

20:35

there's a tree house or there's a pond.

20:38

or there's something else you know on the

20:40

property and so you literally have that says

20:42

little distance that you can call on. That

20:44

might be something. That could help and then

20:47

activities for sure. You know I find that

20:49

is very helpful to give people something to

20:51

do during the day. Whether it's you know,

20:53

playing a game of cornhole or you know,

20:55

maybe there's an archery range on on the

20:57

property And you can. Although if. You're mad

20:59

at your mother. Maybe rats my responses and

21:01

the best thing? but sir, Are

21:05

you can peddle added Wanted us to do such

21:07

as sits inside out on the positive city. Ah.

21:09

By yourself yes aren't Paul and we've been

21:11

down a bit of a rabbit hole and

21:14

as things that have gone wrong. So I

21:16

went to bring and Kendra who has a

21:18

success story. Hi Sandra. Hi.

21:21

Gonna see I went to but

21:23

I recently combat from Barbados and

21:25

my grandkids. Six. Nine and

21:27

two all the freaky I thought it would

21:30

be problems my it was. Rate the oil.

21:32

Want to go to the beach? a hangouts?

21:34

That's what we did. Wow.

21:36

Sounds like a wonderful trip. So

21:38

as Grandma you were there as

21:40

the parents that the guardian for

21:42

these children just by yourself. Know.

21:46

i am my daughter lives on my

21:48

daughter lives with me and it's to

21:50

order was the girls below those their

21:52

peers are in the military and he

21:54

seems like a year so this is

21:56

the first the opportunity with three young

21:58

kids to foods Wow,

22:01

it sounds like a great opportunity there,

22:03

Paul. I'm

22:05

wondering, just to

22:07

kind of pivot a little bit, what we do, because

22:09

we're talking about competing ideals

22:12

when people are traveling. One

22:14

of the things that you can often get

22:16

into when it comes to food is you have

22:18

someone who's very food curious, especially if you're going

22:20

somewhere like, I don't know, we had a caller

22:22

mention the south of France, right? Someone

22:25

who's very food curious, somebody who's very

22:27

food timid. How do we help that?

22:32

Well, that's a great question, and certainly many people

22:34

are traveling for the food. I think

22:36

it's about having an open mindset and knowing that one

22:38

day we're going to do something a little more adventurous.

22:41

We're going to do the cooking class, and we're going

22:43

to learn how to make a recipe

22:46

that's really distinctive to the place that we're

22:48

visiting. But the next day, we're going to

22:50

take it a little more easy, take our

22:52

foot off the accelerator a little bit, and

22:54

stay home and keep it chill and maybe

22:56

just do sandwiches or something. I think it's

22:59

important to go into a trip like this, the bigger

23:01

the group, the more of a flexible open-minded

23:03

mentality. I think

23:05

you need to pack along with all your luggage,

23:07

right? Be ready that some days it's going to

23:09

be more your style, some days it's going to

23:12

be a little less your style. But that's the

23:14

thrill of going somewhere new. Sort

23:17

of a true statement if traveling

23:19

with introverts and extroverts. Yeah,

23:23

indeed. I think overall, just in

23:25

terms of tips that people can take

23:27

away, it's about mixing

23:30

it up, right? It's the most successful trips,

23:32

I think, whether you're with all

23:34

of your family or just the spouse or

23:37

partner, is about mixing it up and having

23:39

different things on different days. One

23:41

day you want to do a ton and really get

23:43

out of your comfort zone. The next day you want

23:45

to take it easy. I think some of the best

23:48

travel advice you could possibly give is to give people

23:50

the permission to one night just stay in

23:52

and watch a movie. It's really

23:54

going to be okay. Right, I mean part

23:56

of vacation is taking the vacation you want, right? Exactly.

24:00

Exactly. And I think it's so easy

24:02

to put a lot of pressure on yourself when really the

24:04

whole point of this is to take the pressure off and

24:06

enjoy time with your loved ones. Last

24:09

question here, Paul, we were going to sandwich it

24:11

in. And I want to talk about, really quickly

24:13

talk about budgets because a lot of times people

24:15

want to join in the fund, but maybe they

24:17

don't have the same budget to spend on the

24:19

trip that someone else might have who's included in

24:21

the group. So how do you navigate

24:24

that? Yeah,

24:26

it's a great question. In a place where

24:28

unfortunately oftentimes feelings are hurt. And I think

24:32

even before you talk about where

24:34

we're going, I think it's important to

24:36

talk about what our budget is going to be. And I

24:38

think you got to have, make yourself

24:40

a little uncomfortable and say who's going to pay

24:42

what, you know, there are tons of apps out

24:44

there that can help us with splitting costs. But

24:48

I think setting the expectation

24:50

right from the outset is

24:52

the easiest way to avoid

24:54

upset and confusion. Do

24:57

those all inclusive type places help with

24:59

that? In other words, I can go

25:01

to the spot if I can afford

25:03

it, but if someone else can't, they

25:05

don't have to necessarily. Yeah,

25:08

that's a great idea. All inclusives have been

25:12

booming in popularity these past few years. And I do

25:14

think that's part of it, that people are kind of

25:16

over the nickel and diming as well

25:18

as the sticker shock on some destinations. They

25:20

just want to know upfront, hey, this is

25:22

what the cost is going to be. I'm

25:25

going to opt into that and there we go. Cruising

25:28

here too is another opportunity for you to find,

25:30

you know, many lines are all inclusive and it's

25:32

sort of the price they quote is the price

25:34

that you pay. And that again gives you that

25:36

peace of mind. Is that true? Yeah,

25:39

for some of them it is. You know, there are certainly

25:42

many that like and upsell, but there are

25:44

many that are all inclusive and kind of

25:46

free you from that dread

25:48

of the bill at the end of the stay. How

25:50

do you know that you're finding a reputable

25:53

all inclusive that's not going to just kind

25:55

of flip in some charges at the last

25:57

minute? What's a good tip for finding

25:59

one that's really reputable? Yeah,

26:01

well, there are many of the bigger

26:04

brands, hotel companies are going

26:07

into this space. And so you can get a lot of trust

26:09

from the sort of brand, you

26:12

know, acknowledgement that they're an above board operator.

26:14

Certainly we at T&L have our own

26:17

lists. And then there's countless online reviews

26:19

and might take a little filtering

26:21

to get to the review of somebody who's

26:23

of the mindset that you are. But

26:26

you can usually get a pretty quick sense of

26:28

whether the place is above board with

26:30

a little bit of web sleuthing. What

26:33

are two that are on your list? Well,

26:36

there's a lot of brands from Hyatt.

26:38

They have several all inclusive brands in

26:42

the Caribbean that are really cool. And then, you know, Marriott

26:45

also is working on this. And

26:47

they also just to mention quickly

26:49

have a whole host of home

26:51

rentals that are really nice and

26:53

come with great sort of hotel

26:56

grade cleaning standards and amenities standards.

26:58

And so Marriott having that portfolio of home rentals,

27:00

I think is something that folks might not have

27:02

heard about, but may want to give a look.

27:05

Sounds good. Paul Brady, Travel and Leisure's News

27:07

Director. We've been talking intergenerational travel.

27:09

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