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Welcome to Edition 107 of

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All Kill and All Fill

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a podcast with me, Rachel

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Fairburn and Kiri

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Pritchard-McLean. Just before we start, we'll do our usual

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disclaimer. This isn't hero worship. We do this podcast

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because of mutually interesting serial killers, as I'm saying,

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we are doing this podcast. It stops us from

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writing to them in prison. That's the best you've

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done it in a while. Well done, Rachel. Well

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done. Thank you. Thank you. Well done. I

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haven't been wearing nice clothes for this moment. Can I take

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that hair off you? Because otherwise I'll be looking at it

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the whole time. It's attached.

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Have you ever done that? Before now, I've been like, oh

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my God, there's a hair there. And I'm like, I have

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like one like blonde hair on my chest.

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Yeah. It's the chin for me. It's never

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ending. It's a full-time job. I

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actually think women should get some sort of tax

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rebate for having to do about time after

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stunt. Yeah. Another invisible tax on our time,

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right? Yeah. So I

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am wearing, I feel quite, just being a bit

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casual, you know? That's fine. A bit free and

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easy. I've gone for a fun bomber. Yeah. Lovely,

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lovely fun bomber. Oh, if you're listening

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to this, I'm wearing a bomber jacket.

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I'm not like, I've had a direction change. I've been

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to the fella and I'm with a very fun bomber

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these days. Now,

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it'd be interesting to, because I reckon depending on your age, you will

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have imagined people from

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different parts of the world. Right? Island.

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Yeah. Or other parts.

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Other parts. That's as

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much as we're doing on

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that. We've just been

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swiftly on. We've been having quite

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middle-aged, middle-class conversation about, what

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would you call them? I want to say food parcels, but that's not

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what it is. That's aid. Mealboxes.

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Mealboxes, yes. Because I

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forayed into the mealbox because I

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absolutely hate waste. Yes. And

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yeah, some of the... them a delicious song

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and I'm like come on. Yeah I

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have started using I mean let's say

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it Hello Fresh this isn't sponsored. I'm

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not using that brand. But also you

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know they would not send me the old one didn't

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we? Oh yeah why not mention it? See

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what else we can get. So I'm

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using that and this is not a sponsored but I

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decided on New Year's

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Eve I do like a New Year's resolution and

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I thought I'm gonna drink less which

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I did last year and I've you know I've got

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a couple of drinks this year that's it. I've changed

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my relationship with alcohol because it had to happen. And

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I thought I said right what am I gonna do? I'm gonna

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cook. I'm gonna cook more and I'm gonna

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learn how to cook and I've had I mean I've only

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had two takeaways this year and that's because I've been in

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hotels. Do you know what Tim

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told me about this when I went over to yours and

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the way he spoke

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about it was how I would

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talk about you

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may or may not have a dog he

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has paralyzed from his back so

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his back legs don't like has a wheelchair and when I

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talk about him I go do you know what he's doing

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ever so well and he's just really happy and

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no trouble to anyone and just you know

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and that is how he was sort of talking about

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you and he was like you know she wasn't she

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wasn't the best of cooks before but he was like

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she's done really well. Yeah. I'm so proud of her

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she cooks loads of different things. I've made three cakes.

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What you get cake in a HelloFresh box?

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No I got the recipe online. Lemon

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Drizzle. Now what a classic cake.

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I've made two actually three lemon drizzles I've

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made getting good at it. I think everyone's

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sick of it now. Well Tim's sick of it now. And

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I then I made a I

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went a bit left field I did it with an orange you know

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I did that. Orange Drizzle. Orange Drizzle.

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Very good. Great like drab.

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Now. Orange Drizzle. Very good.

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I also the using

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the meal kit has inspired

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me. I'm like well everything's there I can

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do this myself. Mm hmm. And it's

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I've loved it. I've been really enjoying it. And the other day

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I was trying to make a It's

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even changed me getting takeaways because even I came

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back late for my gig usually I've been straight

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in my case I've not had a McDonald's this

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year. Well, I think that is mad for me

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because that is my thing. I love a Mac

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is Not sponsored by McDonald's if

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they do want to give me They

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gave it to the Israeli army they might want to give

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it to you. I love McDonald's. There you go. I don't care

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now and the What

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was it? Oh, yeah. Well, I'm a way home and I thought you know what?

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I'm not gonna get a takeaway I'm

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gonna go home and it might not seem a lot I'm

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gonna make beans on toast and I'm gonna have tea in

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the house and I'm not getting a takeaway Great

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feel so much better. Um, I because as

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I've discussed before the local Chinese name is

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absolutely top-notch banging We

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probably have it once a week I reckon and and

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now it's like I've sort of mentally gone all let's

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just have it once a month Which

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is much better than fucking smashing and

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then are the the mailbox I'm using and I

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don't know I think I went for this one

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because it felt like there was better vegan options.

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So I'm using gusto and Got

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a little discount code. Um, and

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they they had a Chinese banquet option you

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pay a little more sure Yeah, and it

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was absolutely just so I had it last

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night and I thought I nearly tricked myself

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into having a takeaway here And

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that's a nice feeling. Yes Absolutely,

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but it's changed my you

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know, the thing about me though is When

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I say I'm gonna do something I do it. That's true.

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I Say

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it and I do it yet

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a couple of runnettes I would say into quitting smoking

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but that is because that's Partly

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one of the hardest things to do ever. Yeah,

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and I still and you have done

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it. I have done it So,

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yeah, you know put me my something it highly

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recommend have you thought about trying to have a

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go at curing cancer cuz feel like Feel

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like you should use your determination for more than just making

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a pasta bake if I could do that I

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would Not tell anyone. Keep it to

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yourself. Would I Keep it in your back pocket when you

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need it? I Do it for free. Absolutely Not. The

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Man billions yes I would watch I'm

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not wearing any I that gives gay

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the internet lie. I'd be like. Stump.

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My says it's a little odd, won't be as out of

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his adopt. A real. Donuts.

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The Patreon ha ha ha.

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Oh yeah Massive. Thank you to everyone

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who does that. It's well it's some

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yeah because of the see now we

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have like higher production values, evil artist

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by these might Cs and hire someone

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to do everything. I you patriot have

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any protests. No. I don't

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do not see is is my and few

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other you constantly my can I write I

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as a patron of the gym Harold Campfire

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acid us the I'm in the M Special

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Spooky Global effort is my pay of months

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to get access to all the episodes are.

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They speaking at events.

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Listen to that. I also the other pets

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pocus. I'm a patron of. Poker

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with my friends in time. Pain.

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Is it the cook comic one Tv

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I see the get it right. I'm

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also apply some of most of the

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now ah. In

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a Public Affairs of a friend

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of mine from effectively just given

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everything Skimmers had a nice summer.

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same means what part of the

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poker see that to the media's

7:16

Jimmy Dean and called on These

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were my absolute favorite Us vs.

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Cow Dung they suck the both

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so funny as standard. why can't

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only I think should be in

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Houston he is massively underwriters see

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think it's very respected his neighbor

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than yes or no months respect

7:32

We want money and praise absolutely.

7:35

And three mail boxes. So

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put this is his think of all a

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sweet with chicken break from with. A

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tight waffles. All. effect pay off

7:44

that was the extent of my do not that's

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a big thing is that i'm worried way so

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like often pretty busy under being processed food which

7:50

is crop the next feel horrible us to it's

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a not in a like are you know it's

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yeah i've had bad food not any that problematic

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stuff like i just want to make food with

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ingredients yeah And that's what

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this meal box has helped with actually. It really

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has, I'd say, changed my

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life. And not just that. This really feels

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like an advert now. Yeah, but it's not.

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I feel better, you know. My periods are

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regular, my skin is clearer. I'm

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attracting luck from the universe. I've been going

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to a new exercise class, S45. What

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does that stand for? 45

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minutes. I

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don't know what the F stands for actually. Fitness 45

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minutes? I don't know. It's American. And

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I've been going to that and there's a lovely lady

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that was talking to me in the changing rooms the

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other day and I didn't catch her name. I hate

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that. Oh no, she was dead nice.

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She's a big fan. And she was

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lovely and she was very nice. So if you're watching

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this, hello, I didn't get your name but I'll see

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you at F45. Fucking expensive,

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I tell you. Really? Yeah, but

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it is good. It's... you're

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booking the class, it starts on time. No

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pissing about. Bang! 45 minutes. Can

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I interrupt briefly? How do you feel about this? One

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of the nearest cinemas to me is in Carnarvon in

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a gallery and they say

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this... the film says... Right,

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when are they next showing? What, Paul Fain's? 6.45.

9:12

That is what time the film starts, the trailers. If

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you're watching me, I had to get there 15 minutes

9:16

before. So they were

9:18

like, if we say it's starting at 6.45, it's

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starting at 6.45. Thank you, I love it. Really?

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Yeah. Tell me... I hate it. You know, this

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is something that I struggle with in... especially

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like, you know, if you have a personal trainer

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for a while like I did, I

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loved the sessions but I don't

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like chat. I find... I

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find talking very difficult. And not big, you know,

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lovely people that I've, you know, I've worked, you

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know, trained with and stuff, but

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I just... I'm like, I just want to get

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in, do the exercise and go. And I've been

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at six in the morning as well. Get me

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in there, bang, do it. I've had two PTs

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that I loved and would look forward to chatting

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to, like Colin, love

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Colin, miss him every day when I was in

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Manchester and Blakely at the... Matrix doesn't

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exist anymore. I think he's now a firefighter

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and he was amazing and he just knew everything

10:05

about my life. I remember when I was deciding

10:07

whether to change agents or not or what to

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do and then I'd broken up with someone and

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then I got with someone else and he'd be

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like, right, well what does... And he

10:15

knew everyone. He's like, what does Cass think of this? And

10:18

then he's like, well, there's a thing, you know, if

10:20

you go... I love that. I think you should go

10:22

with Chiggy, you know, there's just experience there. He just

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knew everything about my life. I love him. He's so

10:27

great. And then I went to Jovino at J7 who

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I think is like a viral sensation now. Yeah, I've

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seen this guy. Yeah, he's amazing. So he was my

10:33

PT for ages and he's like... Yeah. He's... I

10:36

told you about... I

10:39

told you about my fella. So my fella was like, oh,

10:41

I'll go to the gym. And I was like, you know,

10:43

you should have a PT session like with me. You'll train

10:45

us both and... Because he'd never worked with a PT and

10:47

I was like, it's so helpful, even if you only work

10:49

with him for a bit and it'll sort of optimize what

10:52

you're doing. And so he did and then he just loved

10:54

training us both. But like everybody else, he just loves my

10:56

partner and not me. And

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so he... My partner was like, oh, I really

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want to, you know, just like do some boxing.

11:02

It turns out just like everything else again, he's

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really naturally good at that. And then Jovino was

11:07

like, I know what we're going to do is...

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When's your birthday? And so say this is

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like in June and he was

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like December and he's like, just on your birthday,

11:16

we're going to organize a fight for you. But

11:19

we'll just make it small, close ring. Kiri

11:21

can come down and watch. And he was like, that's your goal.

11:23

That's what you're going to work towards. And he's like, what do

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you think? He says, I think I don't

11:27

want to be beaten up in front of my

11:30

girlfriend on my birthday. So

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it never happened. He was like, it's my worst because

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he was like, I don't want to fight in front

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of... I just wanted to do boxing, which he is

11:39

like, yeah, I was gonna say brilliant at. But Jovino,

11:42

if you're out there, I know you're out there because I message you all the

11:44

time. And he also

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trains our friend Cass from Taro. He

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sent me a video the other time

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and going, look at Cass, you

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and Cass are gonna have a fight. You and Cass are

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gonna have a fight. Get out of a boxing match. And

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he wheels the camera and Cass is going, I haven't agreed

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to any of it. But

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I love Jovina, he's amazing, he's got a beautiful,

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like a really big heart, he's a fantastic father

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as well, he does so much for the community,

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he does loads with knife crimes with young people

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who are disillusioned, loads of...

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Oh, he's trying to say he's encouraging him to

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get into it. Yeah, he hands out knives on

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the door, yeah. He trains loads of people, like

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disabled people who haven't been welcoming in gyms and

12:20

stuff before, he's a really good egg. And

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he does free, when

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I went he was doing free classes

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for people who had a cancer and

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needed like rehab and physio. Nice guy,

12:32

like this, good. And

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there was an older class as well that he

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did free for people who, you know, the exercises

12:39

are sat down. And I remember he'd sort

12:41

of like be playing that with really misogynistic gangster

12:43

rap while I was in their training. And

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then he'd switch over to the foundation's build me

12:48

up buttercup when all the old dears came in,

12:50

give them a cuddle and a kiss and they

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were like, stop it Jovina, I

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just come down from a flirt and to do this

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with a weight, it's adorable. It just reminded me, we

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will get on to this in a second. You just

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reminded me. And so when I, there was an exercise

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class I used to go to in Walthamstone, it stopped

13:05

now. But when the

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trainer's really nice guy, he used to play,

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you know, bring his own, what if

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it wasn't for me, however, I do very

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much like the rapper Slick Rick. And if you

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want misogynistic rap, that is the rap to go

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to, absolute love bit of Slick Rick. Now

13:21

we train, and it's all women in

13:24

this classroom, everyone's exercising. Anyway, he obviously

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had this thing on shuffle and a

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treat like a prostitute by Slick Rick

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came on and I was doing something,

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oh God, this is so good. Not

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even the radio. I don't. And

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he's going, well, it's going on. It's like, then

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there's a male mouse dick. And I'm like, whoa,

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then he just went, okay, then I was like,

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nobody else. It's

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all these women, misogynistic, absolute tune. I

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don't know. Well, why don't we get you going? Shall

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we talk about this? So again, you've, you've,

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you've got to go. this I'm gonna yeah I've done

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the bulk of the research on this

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I'm gonna say now Rachel you're gonna

14:06

absolutely hate this there

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is I think a few moments that you're

14:11

gonna find really maddening now this is a

14:13

serial killer I didn't really know anything about

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appears a lots of lists of it's one

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of Britain's most prolific and appears on lots

14:20

of lists of like here's a serial killer

14:22

that you've never heard of I think maybe

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this is potentially a listener recommendation as well

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I wanted our mailing mailable I will do that in a bit

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we'll do that at the end yeah so

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this also happens around the same

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time as the Yorkshire

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Ripper who killed fewer people but is

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far more famous and in a similar

14:40

kind of area as well so we're

14:43

gonna be talking about Peter George Dinsdale

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that's what he was born as but

14:47

also there's rumors that his name was

14:49

Peter Tredt as

14:51

well so but

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then he does go on to change his name to Bruce

14:57

Lee he changes legs to Bruce Lee when

14:59

he's older and so his full

15:01

title his full sort of like name is Bruce

15:04

George Peter Lee I'll probably call him

15:06

Peter throughout this and he

15:09

was also known locally as Daft Peter

15:12

and also known as

15:14

the Selby Street arsonist until he was caught

15:16

so he was born July 31st 1960

15:19

in Manchester legend yeah his mum

15:21

Doreen so I'm gonna say this

15:23

whole sentence

15:27

but I feel like it's his two parts of

15:29

the sentence that don't fit together his mum Doreen

15:31

was a sex worker for

15:33

some reason I just don't imagine a Doreen being

15:36

a sex worker no no

15:38

shade to any Doreen's listening out no

15:40

I can't imagine a Doreen I imagine

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really big knockers oh yeah just all

15:44

knocker yeah yeah just flipping them

15:46

down like that yeah just pulls

15:48

up a tabard or pulls

15:51

the tabard aside jiggles

15:53

a tick like that and then just puts it

15:55

back he goes do you want gravy and

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his father was unknown and

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when Peter was born he

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had a lot of different

16:06

problems. So he had epilepsy for a start and

16:08

he also had the right side of his

16:10

body was affected by a congenital disease that

16:12

meant that he was partially paralyzed in his

16:15

right leg so he used to have a

16:17

limp and also his hand didn't work very

16:19

well on the right hand side and he

16:21

used to often like hold it across himself.

16:24

And so it basically didn't function as well. I must

16:26

have mentioned this before, do you know how I sleep

16:28

like that? Do you? With a

16:30

microphone? No because that's how I used

16:32

to hold my toy. Oh

16:36

really? Yeah and I had a

16:38

toy, I

16:40

used to have my

16:42

toy, well for Willa we've mentioned it before, in

16:47

my sort of twenties and

16:50

because of that I still sleep

16:52

as well. Really? Do you sleep on your

16:54

front or your back like that? Either, well

16:56

I change positions sleeping so I think

16:58

my back would do that. Really? Oh

17:01

I'm sorry. I know it's very sweet that you

17:03

slept with him through his twenties but

17:05

I think when you got to your twenties why not do it through

17:07

your thirties as well? It's not less embarrassing

17:09

is it? Yeah but it's

17:12

because I got a boyfriend that seemed like

17:14

an actual man. Right okay. That

17:16

I then thought, oh he's a big man I

17:18

don't want him thinking I'm a big man. Okay

17:20

yeah he don't work for Willy's watch. Yeah he's

17:22

well exact. I get ya. So

17:25

yeah he had sort of like

17:27

his arm was sort of underdeveloped

17:30

and his mum would frequently refer

17:33

to him as a freak. So

17:35

Doreen not the most sympathetic mum

17:37

out there. I know it's not.

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No it's really unfortunate but to

17:42

be honest with you that's a benefit my mum

17:44

would say. I don't think

17:46

this is abuse I just think it's

17:48

having no... Your mum would say it

17:50

like for doing something you'd freak. Yeah

17:52

for nothing not because you have like

17:54

multiple physical disabilities and epilepsy. Well yeah

17:56

we won't pick the up ones from

17:58

Barkavale tram station. There's a bridge that

18:01

I was just waiting, you know, minding me own

18:03

business just a few years ago She

18:06

pulled up in cash went waiting stood there

18:08

like some sort of disaffected youth from the 1950s Hello

18:17

His unsympathetic mother Had

18:19

him for the first six months of his life, then

18:21

he goes and moves and lives with his gran Oh,

18:24

this is sounding quite a lot like you absolute freak

18:26

born in Manchester, lived with a nana and

18:31

He spent quite a lot of time splitting in

18:33

and out of sort of like His

18:36

family is mum and his grandma but

18:38

also the care system as well So

18:40

he was who's looked after child for

18:43

a while was in children's homes And

18:45

this is during like this 60s and

18:47

70s when children's homes were particularly I

18:49

think difficult violent places to be and

18:51

a lot of exploitation. In fact during

18:53

that time he gets sort of Recruited

18:56

into being I don't know what the right phrase for

18:58

this is. So sorry if this is disrespectful But but

19:01

like being a rent boy basically, so

19:04

that is where his relationship in that particular Say

19:08

trade but World

19:12

let's say start so he's

19:15

three and he moves back in with his mum.

19:17

His mum has now got husband and it's

19:20

a quite an unstable marriage, but It's

19:24

like the closest he has to a sort of settled home.

19:26

He goes off to school School

19:28

he goes to his four kids with additional needs

19:30

as well He's

19:32

actually 16 his IQ comes out at 68 Which

19:38

technically means that he has a piece you

19:40

put yeah, that's exactly what it is If

19:42

you are listening that is but exactly what

19:44

both of us think about that Absolutely.

19:47

No retractions on our side. That is

19:49

100% what we say. It's a yeah

19:54

Yes, he allowed I feel bad for

19:56

him already. Well, there's quite a lot to feel

19:58

sorry for him about Yeah, he

20:00

was sort of he was bullied an

20:02

awful lot He was known

20:05

in the area for loving bonfires and fires

20:07

and he he once said to Sean Lister

20:09

who will come back into this Story was

20:11

a local lad and similar age to him

20:13

He was like I want

20:16

to burn that timber yard down and then they

20:18

had sort of set a little fire nearby And

20:21

then a few weeks later the timber yard

20:23

burned down. So Sean was like, well, that was obviously

20:26

Daffy Peter as they called it. Is that where

20:28

he manifested it? Oh, yes, sometimes she just got out

20:30

of the universe Now he's nine years

20:32

of age. Do you remember what you're doing when you

20:34

were nine? Oh That me

20:36

bike I had a

20:39

green bike that said sonnet on

20:41

it on it. Yeah, I don't know and

20:43

I'd be riding me bike around the park Well

20:46

run the cloth round the cloth. Yeah running in

20:49

and out. There was back door. Oh Oh Drink

20:52

a juice. Yeah, go back out go into

20:55

the swimming bath. That's what I was doing

20:57

swimming that oh, yeah They're the ones that's

20:59

now like a college. Yeah. Oh my god.

21:01

They would listen a parade bath was fucking

21:04

Mingan It was it's Victorian and they actually

21:06

had best baths up there So

21:09

people even when I used to go you could pay to

21:11

have a bath It up

21:13

on the top bit is that

21:15

because we wouldn't have them. Oh, yeah So

21:18

that building so we used to go swimming

21:20

there that that's been there every

21:22

single day. There's some holidays That's why we learned to

21:24

swim as kids It

21:26

was Disgusting. I Don't

21:30

really like going swimming and I think it's cuz of our

21:32

parade bass Gritty floor. That's

21:35

what I remember like the floor was

21:37

gritty on your feet And because

21:39

it was such an old building some of the

21:41

tiles in the pool were up. Oh In

21:43

your toe Maybe a plaster

21:45

floating pasture. This is every council pulled

21:47

on everything. Yeah, but it was just

21:50

so old and asked me teacher mr

21:53

Mr. Delaney was his name. I

21:55

think Irish guy. I remember

21:58

there was a cockroach It

22:00

was just, what? Like this,

22:03

back in the pool in one of the

22:05

labs went, oh, there's a

22:07

cockroach here, sir. And he went, help

22:10

it out. Where's your Christianity? I

22:14

was like, hmm. I just

22:16

thought everything about it was so horrible. It was just

22:19

sort of run down building. And

22:22

then I think I spent all my time in there

22:24

as a kid, like, horrible

22:28

pool. It was just horrible. I

22:31

have, this is going to be an absolute clang

22:33

now, guys. But

22:36

I didn't. Oh, no, actually, this is I bought this

22:38

from my last tour. This is my treat to myself.

22:40

I'm a little hot tub. I've always,

22:42

lots of us have got hot tubs. Not everybody.

22:44

I understand that. But, you know, like, I've

22:47

got hot tubs. You allowed nice things. I don't really

22:49

fucking apologize to these people. Someone will be like, you

22:51

hot tub owning motherfucker. Well, that's shit. Basically, it was

22:53

the last time I was in the store. You were

22:55

allowed to work out and you were allowed nice things.

22:58

And if people got a problem with that, they need to fucking

23:00

grow up. Can you go to come to her if you've got

23:02

a problem? Actually, I'd like that. So, yeah, I've

23:04

got a hot tub and then lastly, it's a

23:06

wood fired one. Right. So because it's better for the

23:09

environment. Oh, fuck off.

23:11

Actually, that's the environment. It also heats up way quicker, which

23:14

is one of the reasons why it's better. So you take

23:16

like I had a blow up one that my fellow got.

23:18

And that was like it took 24 hours. Because

23:21

he's a bomber. Yeah. This

23:24

one is a couple of hours. So last year,

23:26

all the like the first time we'd used it,

23:28

we set it up in fact for Valentine's Day,

23:30

you know this, don't you? So

23:33

I'd had it for ages and it had been like

23:35

that. It hadn't been fitted right. All this kind of

23:37

stuff. So eventually it gets put in place on Valentine's

23:39

Day. And we're like, well, the week

23:41

before and we're like, let's go in it. Because I

23:43

had it since October. I'd ordered it in January

23:46

and they were like, it'll come in May. And then it didn't

23:48

come till October, which is not a great time to be in

23:50

a hot tub in Wales. So

23:52

Valentine's Day, let's get in the hot tub.

23:56

It just takes like ages to fill it up. So we

23:59

can't go in it. in on Valentine's

24:01

Day, fine. Also he went

24:04

and bought a fucking hosepipe, it wasn't long enough because it's

24:06

quite far away from the house, well we've got it. So

24:08

he set, I've shown you this video, he set

24:10

up a sort of

24:12

Heath Robinson affair that was the

24:15

hosepipe going like across the yard

24:17

of the farm and then going

24:19

into some guttering that he'd found

24:22

onto some other guttering held up by

24:24

step-lada into the thing. The guttering

24:26

was filthy, so he just filled it up with

24:28

brown, like soapy water and

24:31

so I was like what, this does not

24:33

feel like a nice thing for Valentine's Day.

24:35

Ruining things. Yeah also the cat walked on

24:37

the guttering knocked it all down immediately, nightmare.

24:39

Anyway so he finally set it up, it's

24:41

a while later it's spring, I've got loads of

24:43

children in my life, my friends, kids come over all

24:45

the time. So I set up

24:47

the hot tub for them, it's lovely and warm

24:49

and I was like great. Of course no child

24:52

showers before they get in it, of course they

24:54

just like snot go down their face, of course

24:56

they're just like filthy, some of them are teenagers

24:58

anyway so they're not great at keeping themselves clean.

25:01

By the time I got in it I was like this

25:03

is how fucking Covid starts, it was absolutely

25:06

disgusting like soup of debris, also they're walking

25:08

across the farmyard just like tiptoeing, so like

25:10

their filthy feet were getting bent. So now

25:12

I want to be like, you've got a

25:14

shower before you go in it, but then

25:16

obviously I don't want to be like oh

25:18

your mum's friend who makes a shower before

25:21

we do stuff. Look, sure hot tub will

25:23

be all rules, look kids ruin

25:25

everything, you know, little

25:28

petri dishes of stuff

25:30

and I do like children but you know

25:32

it's like when someone goes oh do you want a

25:34

cake that my kids make? Absolutely fucking no, god no.

25:36

I do not want that with its filthy hands as

25:39

you're picking its beak. And Rob

25:41

Rouse has got a really brilliant bit where he

25:43

talks about his little boy and having like he's

25:46

either picking his bum, no he's

25:49

either picking his nose, touching the end of his

25:51

willy or touching a piece of cheese and like

25:53

his finger just moves between all of us. It's

25:56

really fun, Rob Rouse is one of the best

25:58

comics ever and a good act. one

26:00

of the nicest people in comedy. Rob Rowan.

26:03

I messaged him actually, we spoke about this and I

26:05

said, you know, Rachel and I, I think it was

26:07

something I was gonna say, Rachel and I would say,

26:09

if we find out that you're a bad one, it's

26:12

just over. Like you're such a good egg. He was

26:14

like, oh thanks, that means loads. Anyway, I'm DJing kids'

26:16

parties, so I've gotta go back to doing forward roles

26:18

in this church hall. Anyway,

26:21

so he has, yeah, an IQ, six days,

26:24

burns down this timber yard. He's nine years

26:26

old. He burns a shopping

26:28

precinct down and he causes, so bearing

26:30

in mind, this is 1969, 16,000 pounds

26:32

worth of damage. Wow.

26:37

Oh, 17, sorry, 17,000 pounds worth of damage

26:39

back then. So Christ knows what that is

26:41

equivalent to now. And I really

26:43

thought that would play a bigger part. Like he would

26:45

be, I guess you wouldn't be prosecuted as a kid,

26:47

but you know, there would be some kind of repercussions.

26:50

He said he used to get a fire

26:52

on the mind and his fingers would tingle

26:54

until he set fire to it. He

26:58

later goes on and later I have to say that fire

27:00

is his master. And he quotes the Bible and saying, a

27:02

man cannot have team masters. And they're like,

27:04

oh, so who's your master? And he's like, fire,

27:06

which I think is embarrassing. Wow. Now

27:09

he, they sort of say, oh,

27:11

you know, the reason he set fire to all those

27:13

things is because he was frustrated. And at first I

27:15

was like, oh yeah, I get it, being, you know,

27:18

disabled person is very frustrating in a world that is

27:20

absolutely ableist. No, it's because he wanted to be a

27:22

trawler man. So because he

27:24

wasn't- He lived in London. It seems like

27:26

a tragedy. And he lived

27:28

in Manchester. He does move to Hull at some point.

27:31

It gets worse. But yeah, he wanted to be a

27:33

trawler man, which is the hardest way of life there

27:35

is. Yeah. And he couldn't do

27:37

it because of his disabilities. And so yes. Now,

27:41

everyone locally felt quite sorry for him. This

27:43

is actually one of the ways that he

27:45

gets away with it for so long is

27:47

that he, like so many disabled people, is

27:49

massively underestimated. He is

27:51

bullied. Everybody refers to him as

27:53

deaf to Peter, including like teachers,

27:56

adults, friends. Well, there's a lot

27:58

of Peters. You've got to- He.

28:00

Got into the thing with he got a

28:02

the thing, William, yet you need so I

28:04

would is, although thought that Malley pay and

28:06

pay only pay. Few years

28:08

obsessive birth late and he's A. He's a

28:10

loner as well and he's a grass to

28:13

though. he has loads a job he works

28:15

at when is a teenager? A local speedway.

28:17

ah so this will tell you where this

28:19

happen them. Bellevue. Oh.

28:22

What a before he must have been. A

28:24

Stiletto Speedway is as far as an idea.

28:26

What is a speedway? A Don't trot. But.

28:29

It does sound a he was. it was

28:31

a doctorate and the speedway and a circus

28:33

spell the I used to be so well

28:35

actually Bellevue with the same pot and a

28:37

zoo for her back on. it was like.

28:40

Mom. My mom said it was like

28:42

having. A. Pretty much in

28:44

the in Blackpool plus beach on your

28:46

doorstep? that's wait. what is it All

28:48

goes to stay. Close.on

28:50

on on the line. Clear elephants. another

28:52

signal. Elephants All kinds of people were

28:55

troubled from all over Britain to go

28:57

to a healthy place. You got hit

28:59

with a huge thing but speedway. A

29:01

it's like him. most bikes oh I

29:03

know. yeah yeah yeah so you must

29:05

be It would have value and. He

29:08

of work to the speedway track he worked

29:10

our local pig market do know that one

29:12

is all. Of. His up

29:14

to seven years and set up a puppy

29:16

deflecting. Got. Ah

29:18

you are of about said that

29:21

shudder Now his last it had

29:23

is there a specific picked up

29:25

get it swat. He also would

29:27

baby sit for local kids and.

29:30

But. it was a bit strange or that

29:32

as well what sorry came home apparently and

29:35

he said then oh i forgot to mention

29:37

this is my son and he's like the

29:39

like pay is like eleven or twelve is

29:41

point and this is little boy this with

29:43

him and they're like it's not his son

29:46

and his eye is my son i forgot

29:48

to mention in the like emmys not isn't

29:50

another he's block like just like even if

29:52

it potentially was a son that we didn't

29:55

know about like the race is wrong and

29:57

see a he brought home this it'll than

29:59

hope I mean, it never tells you in

30:01

all the, I tried to find out what happened

30:03

to that little boy. I don't know. I just

30:05

hope he returned. This guy's mental. Yes. So he,

30:07

at 19, he changes his name to Bruce Lee.

30:15

And his, the name he goes by is Bruce

30:18

George Peter Lee. And he, that name is

30:21

in there because of his stepdad. I

30:23

can't remember if it's the George or the Peter

30:25

moving it around. Because he's Peter George Dinsdale. He's

30:28

moving it around, he's attributing to his stepdad and

30:30

also he's obsessed with Bruce Lee. Now,

30:33

I'm going to kind of start in reverse. I'm going

30:35

to start with the crime that leads to him getting

30:37

caught. So this

30:39

is where we meet the Hastings. Now

30:42

they're, so basically

30:45

December 4th, 1979. The

30:48

Hastings live on a street called Selby Street in

30:50

a very deprived area. Next door to

30:52

them is a drug dealer. Like there's a, you know, it's

30:54

just a lot of, it's quite a spicy area basically. This

30:56

is in Hull. This is in Hull now. Yeah.

30:59

So at this point, Peter is 19 years of age.

31:03

Now Edith, the mum, she wakes up,

31:06

she's 34 years old, she's got seven kids. And

31:09

she wakes up and she just has a weird feeling. Her

31:12

three daughters are staying with friends and

31:14

family over the way. So

31:16

there's three girls, Angelina, Viola and Sophie, who

31:19

is a twin of one of the

31:21

boys, are staying somewhere else. Now the four

31:23

boys are at home. So

31:25

they are, in fact, there's, there is

31:27

actually five boys. There's an older boy as well. So

31:29

these are the seven kids that are in the house.

31:32

So that's Charlie, he's 15 years old. Charlie

31:34

will become very important to this. Paul, who's

31:36

12, Thomas, who's nine and Peter,

31:38

who's eight and is the twin of Sophie.

31:40

So they, she wakes up and she's like,

31:42

something's not right. She goes to check on

31:45

the kids. The house is

31:47

ablaze. It's on fire. She

31:49

wakes up Charlie, the eldest, a 15 year old boy

31:52

and says, go and like fetch Thomas

31:54

because Thomas, one of the kids, he has

31:56

muscular dystrophy. So he won't be able to get

31:59

out of the house. At without

32:01

any assistance anyway. So. This

32:03

flames every why. she starts to really

32:05

panic the she can't get to the

32:07

kids and in this in her panic

32:10

see screaming screaming Charlie grub says and

32:12

he just opened the window and pushes

32:14

or out because it's just fun of

32:16

basically make her skates as quickly as

32:18

you com and she's worrying so much

32:20

so she falls off out the out

32:23

the window. She enjoys her uncle he

32:25

buys okay I'm and so he goes

32:27

back. Charlie good but said get pizza

32:29

to get pole and who has been

32:31

sharing a room with Thomas. Because of

32:33

his and. Impairments: Is bit it

32:35

is states him and his mum. Now

32:38

because the window was open from

32:40

pushing his mama a crisis through

32:42

draft and the fire just is

32:45

incredibly quickly enveloping the house. The

32:47

Fi Crew Rise Pizza. Poll.

32:49

On Charlie. Are covered in

32:51

been seventy to a southern comfort in

32:53

burns. Sir Thomas survives wally that the

32:55

room he said he saw of and

32:57

touched it does It goes of one

33:00

side of the house and Charlie dies

33:02

than the next day like his injuries

33:04

is so bad news. Trying to save

33:06

his brothers. On. The

33:08

other boys are taken to wake sailed

33:10

kinda feels which is like a burn

33:12

specialists at the closest been specialist pizza.

33:15

died two days later and pulled as

33:17

nine. Nine days later a also killed

33:19

the family dog. Which

33:21

is decide another shit. Thanks

33:23

now! That dad saw me

33:26

was imprisoned at this point and

33:28

they let him out of prison

33:30

on compassionate grounds. Ah, So.

33:33

There's a guy called Detective

33:35

Superintendent Ronald. I'll do

33:37

a said us a Sega Sega

33:39

less Sega. Or. Eaten on metres

33:41

from the know. I know because of

33:43

the Nintendo gowns. Oh yeah yeah we

33:46

we use I guess I have lived

33:48

I drive may enjoy a fuckin sonic

33:50

yet Sonic and Adelson up sleep dog

33:52

shit enjoy a little thin spots I

33:54

didn't like a didn't like Alex on

33:56

the Mario the here and you get

33:59

low on. I think I got

34:01

a DS or as he called. I

34:03

think it's a DS, did you? Yeah. It's

34:08

very hard for me to find a game, to be honest.

34:11

Really? Yeah, I mean Mario Kart

34:13

is not for me. It's very expensive. So I've

34:15

got Garfield Racing. That

34:17

sounds adorable. And it's 99p, it's very

34:19

good. All the characters are there, John,

34:21

Ody, and Normal. I don't

34:23

know what I'm telling you this, but you

34:26

know Normal? No. Do

34:29

you know Normal? Is that the love interest of

34:31

John? No. What

34:33

is Normal? Normal is a kitten.

34:35

He's a self-proclaimed world's cutest kitten.

34:38

Right. And Garfield hates

34:40

Normal. What colour is Normal? He hates Gray.

34:43

Okay. He hates him. Well, this is

34:45

the reason, I don't know why this is over with it. When

34:47

Normal is introduced to the Gaffi in the comics,

34:49

Garfield's like this. And John's like,

34:52

he's funny, he's like, meet Normal.

34:54

I'm not just saying he's not the funniest

34:56

thing. I don't know why. Because

34:59

he hates him. He's

35:02

like, I don't know why

35:04

he's so funny. Right, that's

35:06

the joke. Yeah, that's it. He's just so funny. Oh, he's

35:08

on the hand. No, he's just funny. It's

35:10

not meant to be funny, but I find it

35:12

just so funny because he's like, Garfield hates him.

35:16

And he's like, meet Normal. Normal's like...

35:20

Okay. So, I don't know

35:22

why I make them up, but every so often in my own head,

35:25

I just say in my own head, meet Normal. Okay.

35:29

Well, now that's in my head. He's just little things

35:31

that make you laugh that just

35:33

stay with you, you know? We need to open a window

35:35

in here. What's the thing? I just

35:37

find Garfield very amusing. Same as Snoop. Have

35:39

you been eating the little sachets from shoeboxes

35:41

that they do not eat on them? That's

35:45

crystal meth in it. Is it? Silica

35:47

gel, isn't it? I just made that up. But I

35:49

don't know why. He just, you

35:51

know, I'm gonna find it and show you. Okay,

35:54

well, I know it will be underwhelming. Maybe, I don't

35:56

know if we were allowed to do that, but maybe

35:58

Owen, with the podcast. watching it can

36:00

get up a picture of the exact still

36:03

but I sincerely I think we'll get sued.

36:08

That is what you're laughing at. Oh

36:11

his face. Yeah but it's like John

36:16

thinks oh get up

36:18

and get up and Gavin's like I'm not. No I

36:21

understand why it's meant to be funny yeah it just is.

36:23

I just find it really funny and I don't know why

36:26

and I can't explain it. You

36:28

know it is it's something wholesome that I find

36:30

funny. It's very adorable and you're now going to

36:32

get loads of Garfield stuff brought to

36:34

you at a live show. I love Garfield if that's I've

36:36

got a Garfield night dress

36:38

and he's leaning like whatever he doesn't

36:40

care he just loves lasagna and hates

36:43

Mondays. Right

36:45

detective superintendent Ronald

36:48

Sager he arrives

36:51

at the house there's a big

36:53

investigation going on the fire service

36:55

are investigating they find two spent

36:58

matches by the letterbox and they

37:00

could smell paraffin as well. Now

37:02

they realize that near to the letterbox but not

37:05

underneath it was a pool of paraffin because obviously

37:07

the house has gone up you can't you can't

37:09

tell if there was paraffin there. So they were

37:11

like okay this looks like it is arson it

37:14

looks like whoever had like a thing

37:16

to pour it in set it down there and

37:18

came over and that's what the matches are for.

37:21

So they were like this is

37:23

deliberate because there are a lot

37:25

of house fires at the time.

37:27

Yeah there were loads so people

37:29

were incredibly flammable clothing stuff didn't

37:31

have to be flame retardant they

37:34

lived in houses with open fire like

37:36

open fires. Do you remember those night

37:39

dresses that uh

37:41

non-garfield ones that had that were made of

37:43

that really silky sort of fabric and they'd

37:45

often have like a cartoon or something on

37:47

it I had one or two frogs in

37:49

about or something but then one

37:51

day they just all disappeared because it was it

37:54

was realized that it the kids would I

37:57

remember that thing of like but my parents would like

37:59

I remember and being like don't stand that close to

38:01

the fire. Yeah. My sister. Like,

38:03

oh, still give me the 90 that is

38:05

a death. Yeah. My sister had the, her

38:08

coat melted. She was standing

38:10

in front of the fire and I'm going

38:12

to school all morning and she's on the little. And

38:14

then, you know, and your mum panics. So the back

38:17

of the coat was like melting. And

38:19

I got bollocks for it. What, but you know what

38:21

a parent panic? Yeah. And they're like,

38:24

oh, you, you see what you've done?

38:27

I didn't know this was happening. Like, oh,

38:30

I wasn't watching you little shit.

38:32

You know, that kind of thing. Yeah. There's

38:35

this place anger. It needs to go somewhere. Yeah.

38:37

Yeah. And I'm picking for me.

38:39

That's why I know. Although my mother, as we

38:41

said this before, denies the fact that she's too

38:43

hitles. But I don't mind that. I think I

38:45

would have deserved it on occasion. You

38:48

want to hit your kid, you go for it. No. You can't let me hit

38:50

your kid for it. Yeah. Oh, this is nice.

38:54

It's like being on Goodmoor. No, what's it called? GB

38:57

News. Hit your kids.

38:59

Hit your kids. Hit your kids. Actually, no. Let

39:01

Nick Ferrara hit your kids. I

39:03

don't actually think he's on GB News. No, that's LBC, isn't it?

39:06

So yeah, dad, oh,

39:09

I should say dad Tommy was also the

39:11

detective superintendent, Roger Sagar, was like, I refer to

39:14

him as a lovable rogue. He had quite a

39:16

lot of affection for this family, even though when

39:18

they said there's a fire at the hasty, there

39:20

was about 20 other families in Hull called hasty.

39:22

And they all knew exactly which house it

39:24

was. So they were very known to the

39:27

police, let's say. Well, they're a large family,

39:29

aren't they? Yeah, but around this time, families

39:31

would be that big. And Tommy was in

39:33

doing five months for burglary of a sports

39:36

club with his eldest son, because it's really

39:38

nice to bond with the eldest. That's

39:40

lovely. It's fishing or burglar, isn't it? Learning

39:43

from his dad. So apparently,

39:45

the family used to run riot around

39:47

the place. Things that they did,

39:49

and this includes Charlie, the

39:52

heroic Charlie who died trying to rescue

39:54

his brothers, Was

39:57

they would piss through people's worsted boxes. Come

40:00

on, they would rob kids of

40:02

their pocket money and they would

40:05

and just take a minute cs

40:07

shit on their doors. that. Which.

40:10

I have never heard of. As

40:12

a slight a phrasing it don't

40:15

show on your doorstep but it's

40:17

like or-on any one specific as

40:19

the big unless this is an

40:21

old custom that maybe the whole

40:23

thing yang on people's doorsteps. Yeah,

40:25

burn in someone's earlier Medusa, a

40:27

cat does rape and society Burma,

40:29

the gabi of Lampson and yeah

40:31

said they were known as big

40:34

as Tricky Fun loving every street.

40:36

got family this turkey right And

40:38

now the this release of I

40:40

Can. Answer: That means it was us. Know

40:42

away now we will move very well with

40:45

that will behavior As a you very very

40:47

well behaved and. So they

40:49

they sought investigation and that runnels.

40:51

I guess. As never before have

40:53

I encountered such hatred and dislike

40:56

for a family. Why this case

40:58

becomes incredibly hard to investigate Because

41:00

everybody has a motive for burning

41:02

the house down on the strain.

41:04

How I mean that's horrible. Really

41:07

mean for talking about air. That's.

41:10

That's and. Happen to anybody else

41:13

is awful. Things happen and it's It's

41:15

terrific. This three. Kids. Dead

41:17

at a becomes book the So journalists

41:19

to send them place Dillard's of in

41:21

today's I'm because it's always a big

41:23

tragedy and every neighbor they states it

41:25

was like that Hitler had it come

41:27

Il or other a carried it it

41:29

and so then the story becomes it's

41:31

called story of Hate and loads of

41:33

these newspapers run a bit about how

41:35

this is a community that case each

41:37

other and because of this thing with

41:39

a hasty some season. Note: basically too

41:41

many people in the neighborhood with a grudge for

41:44

that to give any leads one point they saw

41:46

it might have been like a murder at the

41:48

orient express thing spoiler alert coming guys were one

41:50

of them brought the much as one of them

41:53

brought the powerful what of and chess they thought

41:55

of the whole street was in on it at

41:57

some point because everyone dislike them and there's

42:00

all sorts of weird sort of stories

42:02

popping up. Like there's the whole, the

42:04

whole paper, whole daily news is, runs

42:06

a story about someone apparently is on

42:09

a flyover which looks over the street and is looking

42:11

down at the street when the when the buildings on

42:13

fire and goes. I'm

42:16

no sorry, there's a kid on a bicycle looking on

42:18

the flyover and watching the house

42:20

burn. They're like maybe it was a kid on the bike and then they finally

42:22

kid on the bike. It wasn't the kid on the bike. And

42:25

apparently that same flyover that looks over the house,

42:28

the day Charlie died, there was

42:30

an old man up there saying

42:33

one down four to go. Yeah,

42:36

which is a lot. These people are horrible. But

42:38

then they fired him and it's just sort of

42:41

a mad old man who wasn't to do with

42:43

anything. I mean, you can be an

42:45

horrible isn't a crime, isn't it? I mean, yeah,

42:47

no, no, it isn't. Now they interview them and

42:49

Edith says, well, now you mention it like, yeah,

42:51

we didn't get on more with our neighbours. But

42:54

a few months before this fire, a letter

42:57

was put through our door. It was really

42:59

aggressive. And it did threaten us. They

43:02

go back to the house inexplicably one of the

43:04

rooms that hasn't burned is the one with the

43:06

letter in. So this letter is still intact. I

43:09

would love to read this aloud for you. Because

43:11

this gives them what

43:13

they appear to like a big,

43:16

what's the word lead. So a

43:19

family of fucking rubbish. We

43:21

all hate you. You should all

43:24

live on an island brackets, Devil's Island,

43:27

guys brackets, but I'm not kidding. But

43:29

I promised you a bomb. And by

43:31

hell, I'm not kidding. Why don't you

43:33

just flip while you've got the chance?

43:35

If we can't get you out normally, then

43:38

we'll busted well bomb you out. And

43:40

that is too good for

43:42

you. Very

43:44

full on, right? So

43:47

what they do, well, they get the handwriting samples

43:49

from all the local community and they find

43:51

that is someone who's living about three doors

43:53

down from the hasty is

43:55

a woman. She is in her 80s. She's

43:58

a churchgoer. And one of

44:00

her friends was being bullied by the hasty kid.

44:02

Wow. And she sent that in. And

44:05

she hadn't committed a crime, other than she

44:07

sent them basically a poison pen letter because

44:10

she said, I'm just sick of those kids

44:12

picking on my friend. Wow. But

44:14

yeah. Just making a mind. Yeah. And

44:18

she was like, no, those kids were horrible. It's,

44:21

I've never heard of anything like, well, the closest I've

44:23

come to is from, I've got a

44:25

friend who, you

44:28

know, that, you know, in some schools now,

44:30

obviously as adults, we can look back and see lots

44:32

of kids who behave badly. There's a lot going on

44:34

at home and stuff. But in school, there's usually one

44:36

like cunt, right? Yeah. So

44:39

someone I know the cunt of their

44:41

school died. And the

44:43

teacher was on the news. And normally they

44:45

go very, you know, popular, well-liked. And

44:48

the teacher on the news are like, obviously,

44:50

tragedy and the teacher went, his

44:53

friends liked him. And

44:56

that was like all that they could say. It was

44:58

like, yeah, his friends liked him. Yeah. Well,

45:01

it happened to someone that went

45:03

to my school that had similar

45:06

thing happened. Really? And

45:08

when no one can find anything good to say about them. Yeah.

45:11

Not a...awful. Not a nice... I

45:14

feel like that is a job, right? I

45:17

feel like I could do that for a

45:19

job and be like, has someone

45:21

you know, the cunt just died and you need

45:23

someone to say something nice about it? I reckon

45:25

I could throw out those plasties. I think, you

45:27

know, I'll do it when you die. Every word.

45:29

She was kind. She was loyal. She

45:32

was supportive. She was loving. And

45:34

she was a friend to all the children and

45:37

all the mothers. I thought I said this

45:39

before about funerals. Stop me if I

45:41

told you. Because my dad,

45:43

I was talking about my dad. I said

45:45

to him, God, you

45:47

know, when you die, obviously I

45:49

don't want that to happen, but when you die, like, you never tell us

45:51

anything. We don't know anything about you. I wouldn't say it at your funeral.

45:53

He was a bus driver and a man. We

45:58

don't have any stories. He's gonna BTK

46:01

you, he's gonna like just play the DVD.

46:03

Oh, you know, I would

46:05

be so surprised if he did something like

46:07

that. Of course you would, it's your dad.

46:10

But he just never tells us anything he never talks about. His

46:14

life. He doesn't talk about

46:16

things he enjoys.

46:20

I don't think he likes music. What music are

46:22

you gonna play? Just bang it

46:24

at the Welsh national anthem. Well, that's the

46:26

only music he does like, I think. We

46:29

did, for my dad we did a memorial

46:31

and the amazing Christopher Hughes, who's come on

46:33

this podcast and talked to, you know, the

46:35

guy who's a pathologist. He

46:37

did the service, like what service? He

46:40

wrote the eulogy for my dad. And

46:43

my dad, I did this like interview with my dad

46:45

a couple of years ago now about his life. It's like three

46:47

hours long. So I sent it to Chris and he listened to

46:49

all and he wrote this amazing thing. He

46:51

did it in Welsh and English. It was so beautiful.

46:54

So we're in this like memorial hall, so it's like not religious.

46:58

And like it was such a beautiful

47:00

kindness for Chris to do it for me as well,

47:02

like to have a friend doing it was so stunning.

47:04

And he's like such a good orator. So

47:06

I felt really happy that he was doing it. And it finally

47:08

gets us to like, okay, we're gonna, everyone's sort of settled now.

47:12

We'll kind of start. So Chris goes up in front

47:14

of everyone and sort of bilingually says thank you very

47:16

much for coming and explains it like, you know, and

47:18

so you want as Welsh speaker, but I'm gonna switch

47:20

between the languages and he's doing that. And

47:23

it's very sort of obviously somber and kind of profound and

47:25

that exact moment, the guy we entered the hall that we

47:28

hired for the hall from. So

47:30

looking at this thing, it's like a proscenium art

47:32

stage at one of the side jaws, genuinely like

47:34

fucking acorn antiques. He comes with a tray of

47:36

mugs like this shaking through and Chris turned around

47:39

and looked at him, but just like sort of

47:41

carried on a little bit louder. But he like

47:43

shook his way across the hall. It was fucking

47:45

nuts. And obviously it's really, really funny. But it

47:47

was fucking that I'm like, yeah, obviously.

47:49

And we've waited ages. Yeah, really laughed. And

47:52

then also my partner made the most. We've

47:55

got some lovely little videos of my

47:57

dad and my partner cut together. a

48:00

gorgeous little, sort of like, almost

48:02

like a narrative from all the little clips of

48:04

my dad saying sort of funny things and doing

48:06

stuff. And it was really beautiful. And so he

48:08

goes to play it and what have you done?

48:11

It just wasn't played. So Chris says, Oh, and

48:13

I think we've got a little video now if you

48:15

want. And so and then it goes and it's just

48:17

awkward. And then it's like, so it's on

48:20

the screen and then it like minimizes and you can just

48:22

hit click and do different files and he just turns round

48:24

and goes, it's what he would have wanted. And

48:28

then it works fine. But yeah,

48:30

it was, but stuff like that does happen

48:33

at funerals, I think. Oh, I thought it was my

48:35

grand funeral. They played the wrong song.

48:38

And the humanist, the poor guy,

48:40

you could just see he's like, Oh,

48:43

fuck, kind of thing. And

48:46

at the end of the service, you could tell it was like, I'm

48:50

gonna get ball at day. But it was like, I

48:52

thought it was funny. It's fine. Yeah, it is. It's

48:54

like, you've got one chance to get it right. Yeah,

48:56

it's so tough. But you know, it's just

48:59

is how it is, isn't it? In fact, John

49:01

Stanfield was asking about your room, your thing

49:03

about about you yesterday and saying,

49:05

it's very nicely about your dad. Oh,

49:08

I remember meeting him. He's very, very

49:11

nice about him. Everyone's fucking them because he was

49:13

always at gigs. Yeah, which is really nice that

49:15

people have memories of him. Yeah. And

49:19

fucking that guy. Oh, and then also this

49:21

guy rented the hall from who fucking acorn

49:23

antique to out. He goes at the end,

49:26

he went, guys, a very good speaker, wasn't

49:28

he? I still yeah, I said he does

49:30

a lot. So he said, what does he do them for

49:32

a job? I said, well, he's a presenter. So he's also

49:34

head of the Anglesey Druids. So he does lots of things.

49:36

I was like, I know he was what head of Anglesey

49:39

Druids. I would have gone along and had a chat with

49:41

him. But no, because it was my fucking dad's memorial service.

49:43

So you're not gonna work the room. You're my bastard. What

49:45

is he gonna get?

49:48

Yeah. What is in

49:50

that for you? I

49:54

don't know. Just people who run church hall or

49:56

you know, have the keys to a local

49:58

property. They're always something special. Out.

50:01

Not. Funny Miss Daisy a

50:03

body s not my would

50:05

like to hang around for

50:07

every nice into he looks

50:10

good the the Mississippi anyway.

50:12

So January fourth, nineteen eighty

50:14

and the there is a

50:16

procession. Down Cel be straight for

50:19

the boys, you know who he got.

50:21

Spree child coffins. I can't imagine what

50:23

it's like. Tv cameras everywhere is overseas,

50:25

big news and in front of the

50:27

same child coffin makes it sound like

50:29

something. That like a job that you don't

50:31

in these people's and I. Call soldier.

50:34

A chocolate out of the I saw. At

50:38

the poor poor lad now in front

50:40

of all these Tv cameras aged screams

50:42

it was one of you. Bust is

50:44

one of you. On this street is

50:46

the murderer. Which. Made suck

50:49

and lovely television like hell yeah yeah

50:51

much Insurgents misdemeanor that a yes the

50:53

Amazon as a center now and there

50:55

was a cool to the whole police

50:57

department and the day after the Fi

50:59

that was anonymous the said listen I

51:01

thought to men running away from the

51:04

scene am I saw them jump into

51:06

a rover? Two thousand were was someone

51:08

waiting to drive them away. Ah and

51:10

so though driven away but the said

51:12

months so they trace this call while

51:14

he's on the call the police go

51:16

down and they arrest disguise. He's leaving

51:18

the pay phone and and they they interview

51:21

him and they basically said this is a

51:23

close as they have to lead the got

51:25

nothing to okay with robots who two thousand

51:27

and they sit for everyone in the air

51:29

with read the two thousand and spoke quite

51:31

and modern car so they think for a

51:33

while. It's. A case of mistaken

51:36

identity. The basically think that those two

51:38

men were getting revenge on that a

51:40

drug dealer who lived next door to

51:42

the Hastings don't and just got the

51:45

wrong door. Ah right. But then as

51:47

they go and have a skin this

51:49

this rubbish you thousand is really turning

51:51

up any leads. it's whole day like

51:54

our voices guys a bullshitter because he

51:56

can describe the men's eye color and

51:58

he can describe a. details

52:01

down to and I quote the buttons on their

52:03

t-shirt who's got a fucking button on your t-shirt

52:05

oh I know exactly what that is that's that

52:07

proper sort of Oh

52:10

like a polo shirt yeah like a Fred

52:12

Perry type but you know razor yeah I

52:15

guess yeah maybe and that yeah

52:17

in 1980 yeah I could see

52:20

that so so they're sort

52:22

of in this Rover 2000 area but

52:24

it doesn't actually it doesn't actually bring

52:28

up anything they start talking to

52:31

local criminals and what they say

52:33

to them is that they

52:35

think because it's a kid murder that they will

52:37

actually grass up because normally obviously there's

52:39

like on or amongst feeds but they think

52:42

because the family is you know it's such

52:44

a tragedy because it's kids but they're like

52:46

no and then there's six months of endlessly

52:48

interviewing the community police presence all the time

52:50

interviewing all the local like petty thieves and

52:53

everything and basically someone turns around and goes

52:55

listen can you just piss off now because

52:58

like no one's doing any good jobs right here

53:00

people aren't even necking stereos because you're here all

53:02

the time and said we would

53:04

if we knew who it was we would tell

53:06

you just so you fucking fuck off and we

53:09

can crack on with our lives again so there's

53:11

a really obviously bad relationship between the police and

53:13

the area they were like okay because they would

53:15

like well listen like you're ruining our lives we

53:17

would tell you if anyone knew you're ruining the

53:20

local economy you are ruining the local economy there's

53:22

nothing for here for our boys anymore so

53:25

one of the things they found from this rover

53:27

2000 which by the way few months

53:30

later the guy at the payphone who called in

53:32

that tip went I just remembered it was a

53:34

different night so they did

53:36

all this investigation they got a little bit

53:38

rober 2000s now one of the lists one

53:40

of the rover 2000s on this list they

53:43

they surveilled for a while and they found

53:45

out that whoever was driving it was cruising

53:47

for sex with teenage boys which is quite

53:49

a common thing in that area because it's

53:51

very very impoverished it written so

53:53

much of this

53:56

does there was a big don't

54:00

sing anymore. So they find

54:02

that one of these guys is sort of soliciting so

54:04

they think maybe there's a connection to these like

54:08

rent boys, so Ronald

54:11

Sagar throws the dice on this one and

54:13

goes, okay I'm gonna get the ten sort

54:15

of like busiest boys in and I'm gonna

54:17

say I know you did the fires Like

54:21

come on you come clean and fuck.

54:23

I know you did No

54:25

pun intended. I know you did. I

54:27

know you did the fires So just confess

54:30

now and you know and it won't get any worse

54:32

for you So one of the people who brings in

54:34

is a 19 year old called Bruce Lee and

54:36

he says I didn't mean to kill

54:38

them and he's like oh It

54:42

wasn't expecting to at all. So

54:44

there's a couple of reasons for this

54:46

So Charlie and so 15 year old Charlie

54:48

the eldest and the boys and 19 year

54:50

old peas that have interactions We said that

54:52

largely through the rent boys scene. So

54:56

brew brew slash pizza refers to it as

54:59

He was doing something indecent with Charlie and he said

55:01

wanking in that and then what would

55:03

happen is Charlie would get it Kind of extort him

55:05

for money. Um Because he

55:08

sort of implies Peter's sort of implying it's a mutual

55:10

thing and they're just like messing about one King together

55:13

Wonky each other off and stuff and but

55:15

then Charlie would be like I want money for that or I

55:17

want money Otherwise, I'm gonna go to the police because I'm 15

55:19

and what you're doing is illegal So

55:22

he didn't like him for that and

55:25

he was also Obsessed with Angie who

55:27

was the eldest of the girls his 16 year

55:29

old daughter there of the of

55:31

the hasty's and the The

55:34

boys used to bully him and make fun of him and everyone

55:36

would make fun of him for being so into Angie And

55:39

so he was like, right. I'm gonna I'm gonna get him

55:41

back and

55:44

so sets the house on fire, but what

55:46

what what say guard doesn't know at this

55:49

point is that this is Like

55:51

the final part of his death count that he

55:53

has been setting fires that kill people since he

55:56

was about nine years old Oh my god So.

56:00

The Ladder bike For God's sake. He basically

56:02

says he wanted to frighten him and not

56:04

kill him. and he had a bike. It's

56:07

actually how he got away with some of

56:09

this Am. so he he basically. Wait

56:11

until it got quite in there and it

56:13

was quite normal could the girls were away

56:16

and. And he puts in paraffin

56:18

through the letterbox and he tries twice

56:20

with matches and it doesn't pass hence

56:22

the matches big down there. and then

56:24

he lights a bit of newspaper and

56:26

he froze and the nice if burns

56:28

and then the carpet and it just

56:30

goes up in credibly quickly and. And

56:33

that's what happens now if I think he

56:35

did in some skills. are

56:37

thing he doesn't care I think never really

56:39

interesting thing with him where he is. For

56:42

many reasons I don't think he has

56:44

total capacity but as a society a

56:46

rough history it incredibly badly by the

56:48

area by everybody digesting. thanks I'll fuck

56:50

up like he's got no skin in

56:52

the game is he likes some. People

56:55

in the house down. Now it's

56:57

released in the press that and

56:59

Bruce Lee has been hostile and

57:01

kill three children and and some

57:03

call Robson. Sydney's about twenty seven

57:05

was twenty seven when the crime

57:07

occurs and she goes up with

57:09

Sancho Bruce Lee and then later

57:11

on the news for this a

57:13

big story. She's is a patron

57:15

guy that's not Bruce Lee that

57:17

stuffed pizza and I have a

57:19

memory of him. While I

57:21

was in a fire says she phoned

57:24

the place. So this is back in June.

57:26

Nineteen Seventy nine. Rods. Is

57:28

heavily pregnant, she twenty some years

57:30

old and she. Is

57:32

in the house and she sees a cigarette

57:35

the door, putting their hands through the letterbox.

57:37

I literally can't think of anything fucking scary

57:39

It and seeing a hunch or less about

57:41

a doctoral level of yeah, of course addicts

57:43

or else about it. He can enter contests

57:45

and. Except the one

57:47

in a box invalid and when I would say

57:49

network is great it was of Matilda Sheeple for

57:52

show and I was like you to have mild

57:54

one because the end of my empathy pension you

57:56

can watch on come out I have Spoiler alert

57:58

a fuck him up the biggest still. A

58:00

horrible on out to buy it on

58:03

Valance the day before Valentine's Day chockablock

58:05

it was from actual so yes a

58:07

one on oxidants stream all at a

58:10

big the like yeah said say right?

58:12

So when I was actually researching, sum

58:14

this up as driving past Hall. Has.

58:17

In that kind of our any was instrument

58:19

I'm from the northeast t side and the

58:21

two three occasions on that stretch of road

58:23

and to be going for north to south

58:25

and. Couple he got like

58:27

a Mckees on the side the road and you get

58:30

like petrol station also. You. Know I'm going

58:32

to say sexual fucking must is such a

58:34

absolutely this is razor this one as well

58:36

that Poll Pulse and Papa Murphy's law know

58:38

exactly what I yeah think of the when

58:41

and looking the heat so until they can

58:43

put up my all to be some other

58:45

Latin American south I'd be happy as it

58:47

is as like it. Okay dinah a mess

58:50

with English dislike? Yeah those those tales you

58:52

competency compressor and you're at Lincoln Center as

58:54

well. Gray. Hair yeah this is

58:56

the key place. thought that something about

58:58

that spine of the country is absolutely

59:00

are often ancestry big you covers as

59:02

well. Who's just I mean. Apple

59:04

think of have been. Section.

59:07

I went in. Or yeah, ah,

59:09

I went in. I.

59:11

Went into by the still don't think I may

59:13

be you know Kelsey the So ones. That kind

59:16

of our sex shops but it's also just so

59:18

like a gay guy sought leafing through a magazine.

59:20

Or you can also get like of the stuff

59:22

we're gonna get chewed gum on a night out

59:25

and will decide. Big fucking rubber but spy device

59:27

seats find most and. I think

59:29

all gonna show possible and Uk and go. This.

59:32

Is her show actually. Know.

59:34

But I did have to go around

59:36

like trying out which is funniest it

59:38

and front my daleks Adam and belies

59:40

this is is big enough as is,

59:42

funny enough and like I felt very

59:45

self conscious and also fucking spending as

59:47

well. How much isn't. And.

59:49

I dunno but then I have like this

59:51

in the show. ah. Maybe

59:53

like four months later, I get an email

59:55

from my townsend going: Can I ask what?

59:58

Can. i ask what this This

1:00:01

payment to like whatever it's

1:00:03

called the pleasure dome is Just

1:00:06

a really big sandwich, but it was like it

1:00:08

was too much money really for a show I

1:00:10

only did fucking five or six thousand. I got

1:00:12

like 22 quid and it's just one joke Yeah,

1:00:17

one joke and it isn't in my business

1:00:19

account. Yours has got balls. It's got balls Yeah, and

1:00:22

it's horrible. It doesn't vibrate or anything. It's got suction.

1:00:24

Oh, yeah, well you put it on the side of

1:00:26

the shower, right? I

1:00:28

just it's not for me too big. I

1:00:31

don't Aggressive. Yeah.

1:00:33

Well, you've seen that the box is more aggressive

1:00:35

than mine. It's a big red end Tell you

1:00:37

what? I'll bring it to the live shows And

1:00:40

at the end one of you could win

1:00:42

it. Also that there is something people will

1:00:44

always laugh at Adilda. It's funny It's funny

1:00:46

I've also like the whole point of like

1:00:48

I give quite an earnest speech at the

1:00:51

end about Mm-hmm male suicide and

1:00:53

you know people who who died by suicide men in

1:00:55

particular and the I've sort of got the dildo And

1:00:57

it's got a lot of mood you've seen it's got

1:00:59

a lot of movement So I just

1:01:01

thought is sort of a funny thing to

1:01:03

do to make everyone feel more comfortable what

1:01:06

I'm talking about I mean, it's a great show

1:01:08

guys. I'm very sad and I've got the story. She can't watch it

1:01:10

anyway so Ros

1:01:13

goes She sees his

1:01:15

hand through the letterbox That's what they start using

1:01:17

the hand through the letter and she was like

1:01:19

and then as soon as they saw her stunning

1:01:21

there They disappeared. I shouldn't I'll find it. It's

1:01:24

just a pacer because he was always knocking around

1:01:26

doing slightly weird things They're like fine. He's absolutely

1:01:28

harmless And I think loads of us have grown

1:01:30

up with maybe someone with additional needs in our

1:01:32

community and everyone's like that So you're harmless, but

1:01:34

also don't treat them well or support them necessarily

1:01:37

or maybe they do I thought I've definitely tell

1:01:39

this story before about the guy. I think he

1:01:41

still works at the supermarket Who

1:01:44

he collected trolleys? Used

1:01:47

way to him and all the rest of it and you

1:01:49

know everyone knew Anyway, some

1:01:52

lads picked on him And

1:01:55

some local scallies found out beat the

1:01:57

shit out of the lads I like

1:01:59

mob justice Yeah. Yes, please. So

1:02:01

she goes to bed and

1:02:04

then she's woken up and someone is screaming

1:02:06

fire. Oh

1:02:08

my God, that noise was so frightening. It

1:02:11

was a horse, wasn't it? I don't know. Don't know

1:02:13

if you heard that on her. Yeah, I did. Did

1:02:15

someone say Rachel again? I'm going back. Don't,

1:02:19

it's scary. So I think

1:02:21

that was when I heard my name. Go

1:02:24

on. That was the dog. Is

1:02:27

it like, there's a devolve out there? I

1:02:30

think that was a Harbinger,

1:02:33

Harbinger. Is it Harbinger? I've

1:02:36

only ever read the word. I've never said it. Harbinger of

1:02:38

doom. Oh yeah, because

1:02:40

you had loads of bad stuff

1:02:42

happened. A few horrible things happened.

1:02:45

I think that was what that was. Fucking

1:02:49

hell. I mean, it could just have

1:02:51

been a mistake. It was a mistake. Yeah, it was a phone

1:02:53

buzzing. So

1:02:55

she wakes up, someone is yelling fire. She's

1:02:58

fucking massively pregnant. So she moves as fast

1:03:00

as she can to her daughter, Samantha's room.

1:03:02

Her daughter is seven years old. They can't

1:03:04

escape. Oh my God. So she basically goes

1:03:06

and gets in the corner furthest away from

1:03:08

the fire and she sits there with Samantha

1:03:10

and fortunately, they are rescued but they

1:03:13

are severely burned to the

1:03:15

point. Oh my God. Yeah, awful. They could just, they just

1:03:17

have to sit there and wait. They're in hospital

1:03:19

for months. Rod miscarries

1:03:22

as a result. Oh, fucking hell. It's

1:03:24

absolutely horrible. Yeah,

1:03:27

now they didn't

1:03:29

interview her because she so traumatized the police and

1:03:31

then because there was no death, there was never

1:03:33

an inquest into it, which means that

1:03:35

she never got to give a statement and say, I do

1:03:37

remember seeing someone by the door and I think it was,

1:03:40

I think it was deaf to Peter.

1:03:42

So this could have been stopped early

1:03:44

days with the one

1:03:46

fatality of Ros's unborn child,

1:03:49

but it wasn't because there wasn't an investigation

1:03:52

and they just blamed it. They said, oh, someone probably stopped

1:03:54

a cigarette. It was visiting in the day and that was

1:03:56

it. That was done in the

1:03:58

day. So she had a visitor of The day it

1:04:00

was a smoker, new and old us will be those. Job to

1:04:02

cigarettes so cigarette. Stayed. Burn. And

1:04:04

yeah, exactly does a lot of that

1:04:06

whether lot, yeah, cigarette must have burned

1:04:09

for seven hours unattended as a lot

1:04:11

of the lazy bastards and she says

1:04:13

she phoned the police. And.

1:04:16

Ah, and they said. Do. You do

1:04:18

you know a Roth son said and he was like yeah did

1:04:20

that one as well. Sages. Immediately

1:04:22

confesses and they said why and he said

1:04:24

i just did is someone I knew didn't

1:04:26

like are so I just did it. But.

1:04:29

Lives late. One of the reasons are so

1:04:31

hard to find him is it was absolutely

1:04:33

motiveless. He would just wandered on golf choir

1:04:36

and he set fire to us to the

1:04:38

couldn't find their like a way. It's not

1:04:40

like normal serial killers what he's doing it

1:04:42

so some kind of exacting revenge or a

1:04:44

carefully pick the targets not in a bomber

1:04:47

worse you know you know. Days to solve

1:04:49

is absolutely random. And they

1:04:51

they as a result they think it's a criminal

1:04:53

mastermind really good at hiding his tracks as opposed

1:04:55

to what kind of keeping a months of ahead

1:04:58

is the fact that this isn't any thought going

1:05:00

into and see you com like would tell his

1:05:02

psyche because this is not loads going on at

1:05:04

so they said and done mall and he was

1:05:06

like yeah. I killed a

1:05:09

baby. One of my God. This guy.

1:05:11

Horrible. Now under seven years. he's active

1:05:13

as an arsonist, hawthorne arsonists and for

1:05:15

relate know and he. Kills.

1:05:18

Absolutely loathe. The thing is altogether is

1:05:20

Twenty six which makes him one of

1:05:23

Britain's that he kills more than the

1:05:25

more murders the I was able to

1:05:27

block the your guilt trip on that.

1:05:30

That was called the block the Slump

1:05:32

from Manchester. Yeah. Is. It

1:05:34

manifesto the. You. Know

1:05:36

our main Trevor Harder yeah the boost of

1:05:38

months as it not he said in Manchester

1:05:41

Terrier was on was it this is gonna

1:05:43

the nickname of the the written it down

1:05:45

as someone he kills more than the other

1:05:47

black panther. Is

1:05:49

it feels wrong Said Black Panther? Oh

1:05:51

yes of them. Yes, The movement, Black

1:05:53

Panther. and ah, on the York Strip

1:05:55

of put together. But

1:05:58

nobody knows about him and he does a. Seven

1:06:00

years and the his victims are between six

1:06:02

months of age and ninety two years of

1:06:04

age. It is it. You'll get up. say

1:06:07

hey some of the of coming up by

1:06:09

the way so on. He.

1:06:12

He basically. Run. Cigars like.

1:06:15

Okay puts him in the time that of

1:06:17

her drive is is Tommy to pull over.

1:06:19

He recognizes what they've done. A fire to

1:06:21

get the card is like that the or

1:06:23

that. So I killed the first people so

1:06:25

we get timeline of his murders. By the

1:06:27

way at some point I do actually think

1:06:29

is completely making up and he's lying because

1:06:31

they're like this. Kid who can

1:06:33

you know com was very well isn't very

1:06:35

bright, has not. Done. All this stuff and escape

1:06:38

detection. So many these five min at you know

1:06:40

proven to be an accident so the taken supposed

1:06:42

to the you did this to new with i

1:06:44

was a fire must if i killed people. On

1:06:47

they knew the perpetrator that absolute priests to the light

1:06:49

will catch this kid out was like they don't know.

1:06:52

I didn't at all. nothing to do with me. So.

1:06:54

Like we think, this case is telling the

1:06:56

traits to join them around. and now he

1:06:59

built a he also. but loads of empty

1:07:01

buildings as well unless you have that much

1:07:03

knowledge of fires in general like. Why

1:07:06

would he had got obsessed with in the

1:07:08

press So you know, whatever that and at

1:07:10

enough because he just wouldn't have. I think

1:07:12

no one would have suspected him as a

1:07:14

So there's loads of empty buildings that he

1:07:17

burnt down as well and his thing was

1:07:19

to is a car a pack a pair

1:07:21

of and cans and. Now.

1:07:23

Because of the time, like were saying,

1:07:25

loads of open files or some other

1:07:27

materials know, smoke alarms. It was really

1:07:29

common, full sized to happen, but there

1:07:31

was a particularly high incidence of it

1:07:33

in his right, but not enough so

1:07:35

anyone looked into S. So his next

1:07:37

murders is ah, in June, twenty third,

1:07:39

nineteen seventy three and parents are of

1:07:41

Richard L. are intent on a night

1:07:43

out Now He, ah they. They leave

1:07:45

the kid at the with a baby

1:07:47

sister called Carol Burnett. There's a site,

1:07:49

got six kids and she's got a

1:07:51

baby as well as. you must

1:07:53

playing a fucking shit let's look after

1:07:55

all these kids now little richard is

1:07:57

not over to the office weirdly

1:08:00

he pops up in this and we're

1:08:02

going I'm not bisexual don't ask me any more questions.

1:08:05

So yeah Richard Ellerington

1:08:08

is in the same school, special

1:08:10

needs school as

1:08:13

Peter. Now basically

1:08:15

he sets fire, the parents come back

1:08:17

and they have a chat with Carol

1:08:19

about 2.30 in the morning all the

1:08:21

parents go to bed all the babies

1:08:23

are already in bed. Now he

1:08:26

basically slips in and

1:08:29

sets fire to the building that everyone

1:08:32

is in the chaos of this remember there's like

1:08:34

six kids and a baby and

1:08:36

three adults rushing out and in the

1:08:38

rush they don't realise that Richard has

1:08:40

been left behind and

1:08:43

he's in the front bedroom. Oh my god is that

1:08:45

a whole molyne but worse. It's absolutely terrible it's yeah

1:08:48

he he dies and

1:08:51

he is six years old. That's horrible.

1:08:53

They blame us they blame a gas

1:08:55

oven for it that was leaking but

1:08:58

yeah it wasn't that. The front door was unlocked the

1:09:00

window was open because it was a warm night so

1:09:02

he was able to just sort of get

1:09:05

in when he wanted but like what's this fucking

1:09:07

kid knocking weird he must have been

1:09:09

quite young at this time so what is he 73 so he'd

1:09:11

win 13 what is he doing it's half past two in the

1:09:13

morning just wandering around but apparently that's the kind of shit he

1:09:15

did. So his

1:09:18

next victim is October 12 1973 it's

1:09:23

it's about six o'clock and oh by the way

1:09:25

the next day he's on the bus which Richard

1:09:27

would normally get and someone went oh

1:09:29

Richard died in a fire last night and he he said

1:09:31

he knew and then he was like and then I've just

1:09:33

kept that secret to myself ever since and

1:09:36

so that's how he sort of processed the death he

1:09:38

didn't really sort of like say anything about it very

1:09:40

strange. So October 12 1973 Bernard

1:09:45

Smythe this is awful this poor

1:09:47

guy he is like

1:09:49

I say in his 70s he's

1:09:51

reclusive he's got dementia he's got

1:09:54

double gangrene in his legs so

1:09:56

he basically lives in his living room because he

1:09:58

can't get up the stairs. He also has

1:10:00

had the electricity cut off because he's not very

1:10:02

well and he's not got a lot of money.

1:10:04

Oh this is horrible. He has a candle to

1:10:06

read with because he can't see and

1:10:09

fucking Peter basically

1:10:12

goes in through. There's a broken window that he

1:10:15

hasn't been able to repair because he's an old

1:10:17

guy with not a lot of money and he's

1:10:19

got enough shit going on. He comes in through

1:10:21

the broken window and he sprays paraffin everywhere in

1:10:23

the lounge and he's satisfied to it and Bernard

1:10:25

dies in his chair. He can't walk out because

1:10:27

he's got this this gangrenous

1:10:30

legs and they do an investigation.

1:10:32

They say what happened is the paraffin heater it tipped

1:10:34

over and the candle set fire to it and

1:10:37

horrific absolutely horrific.

1:10:39

It's 13 at this point and he kills

1:10:41

loads of people this year. So

1:10:43

David Brewer as well. So October 27th

1:10:46

this is like two weeks after that

1:10:48

murder, 1973. He

1:10:51

had been, I've noticed a lot of things here. If

1:10:54

you look at these first three, Richard

1:10:57

had a disability, Bernard has a disability, David was

1:10:59

injured in a work accident. So they're saying it's

1:11:01

random but so many of these people have disabilities

1:11:03

and I don't know if it's just because he

1:11:06

did other fires he didn't admit to and these

1:11:08

people were able-bodied and able to get out but

1:11:10

there's a lot of vulnerable.

1:11:12

Yeah and in the hasty's as well. Also a

1:11:14

woman with a daughter and a

1:11:18

pregnant woman who can't move

1:11:20

easily. So yeah David Brewer

1:11:22

had had a work accident that

1:11:24

had meant he had an injury that he wasn't able

1:11:26

to sort of move as well. It's basically impacted his

1:11:28

life. So he lived with his mum.

1:11:31

His mum was out that particular night and he used

1:11:33

to basically spend a lot of time

1:11:35

and sleep on the settee a lot because it was

1:11:37

difficult for him to move. He goes to the loo,

1:11:40

he comes back in and the living

1:11:42

room is on fire and

1:11:45

he catches fire very quickly. His

1:11:47

neighbour Hilda Lister comes running over

1:11:49

and covers him in wet towels

1:11:51

because he's covered in burns but

1:11:54

he still died a few days later in hospital.

1:11:57

I think he lived for about eight days. Her

1:12:00

son, Sean Lister, knew Peter.

1:12:04

And this is sort of why they think his

1:12:07

motive was. So basically David

1:12:09

had pigeons and Peter

1:12:12

used to come over and just walk in the house all

1:12:14

the time, walk up to the pigeon thing and he was

1:12:16

like, you don't just come around here when you want. This

1:12:18

is, you know, he asked permission and Sean was like, Sean

1:12:21

used to help out with the pigeons and

1:12:23

he basically gave him a clip around the ear. So

1:12:26

some people say he gave a clip around the ear. Some people

1:12:28

say he threatened to give him a clip around the ear and

1:12:30

Peter did not like that and he said, I'm going to kill

1:12:32

him for that. And he

1:12:35

says, I'm going to ring your pigeons next. And

1:12:37

he and that's when he that's apparently when he hit him. And

1:12:40

then they went to the pigeon loft. All the animals

1:12:42

have had the next run. Oh my God,

1:12:44

guys, mad. Yeah. And

1:12:47

he's dangerous. And David had died.

1:12:49

He'd been burnt. Yeah. So

1:12:51

Elizabeth Roker on I hate this

1:12:53

one, December 23rd, 1974. She's

1:12:56

a widow. She slept in her living room most

1:12:58

of the time. She

1:13:01

the living room catches

1:13:03

fire and she couldn't

1:13:05

walk unassisted. She needed a walk because she just

1:13:07

couldn't get out in time. And

1:13:10

so they see smoke coming out at about like,

1:13:12

oh, she also was blind as well. Oh, for

1:13:14

fuck's sake. We stopped telling him this is horrible.

1:13:16

I told you he would hate this one. So,

1:13:18

yeah, she's a poor woman cannot see very well.

1:13:20

She's losing her eyes. Like she has to use

1:13:23

a frame to walk with that's fired to her

1:13:25

living room where she sleeps most of the time

1:13:27

when she dies. There's an investigation. They

1:13:29

say, oh, it must have been her clothes drying by

1:13:31

the fire because lots of people did that the court

1:13:34

and went and then the investigator when I want to

1:13:36

start it in the bedroom by the pillow, she

1:13:38

must have been smoking in bed and a family

1:13:40

were like, she loves smoking, but she never smoked

1:13:42

in bed. That was like one of her rules.

1:13:44

And they're like, yeah, no, she was smoking bad.

1:13:46

So they didn't investigate any further. Even though like,

1:13:48

how would have a cigarette have like she would

1:13:50

have to have been it takes ages to get,

1:13:52

you know, like it's just a timeline system

1:13:55

because he's going to catch it catches quickly. Right.

1:13:58

People when they say if people know somebody, listen to them. you know if

1:14:00

someone goes missing it's like you've got to wait 24 hours

1:14:02

if something's out of character i don't know why they don't

1:14:04

just yeah yeah so

1:14:07

yeah he just had entered through the back door because she

1:14:09

was you know she knew the air and she didn't she

1:14:11

didn't lock it so um this

1:14:13

is god there's some these

1:14:16

are all horrible so June 3rd 1976 this is

1:14:18

um a couple called James of Veronica

1:14:22

Edwards they have a son they've got three kids

1:14:25

um Andrew is the youngest he's only 13 months

1:14:28

old they go out for a night out

1:14:30

and they leave Nana to look after it

1:14:32

so that's Dorothy Stevenson so Dorothy's looking after

1:14:34

the babies she's in a 70 she's 77

1:14:37

she puts baby Andrew the youngest to bed

1:14:39

now when she comes downstairs she noticed that

1:14:41

the cupboard under the stairs is has got

1:14:44

smoke billowing out of it so she gets

1:14:46

the kids outside but it gets the

1:14:49

kids out but the baby is trapped in an area

1:14:51

that she cannot get to and yeah he

1:14:54

uh he passes away

1:14:56

andrew is 13 months old and he dies

1:14:58

this is awful that what then

1:15:01

what happens is little David who's one of the kids

1:15:03

he's five years old says this is my fault because

1:15:05

i've been playing with matches and the grandma was like

1:15:07

no you haven't there's there's one set of matches in

1:15:09

the house and they were in my pocket she said

1:15:11

you didn't do this but he was convinced he did

1:15:13

and then he went back and said well no i'd

1:15:15

you know i just know it's bad to play as much as it wasn't actually

1:15:18

me it's horrific

1:15:20

it's so horrific Dorothy feels so guilty

1:15:22

that she couldn't save Andrew she ends

1:15:24

up going into an institution

1:15:27

because she it just it literally drives her

1:15:29

insane it is just deemed to be a

1:15:31

very tragic accident it's

1:15:34

horrible January 2nd

1:15:36

1977 Katrina Thacker um

1:15:39

so her family again had pigeons and Peter used

1:15:41

to walk around all the time and like interfere

1:15:43

so that there was sort of a connection interfere

1:15:46

he used to come around it'd just be a

1:15:48

fucking nuisance around the place so

1:15:50

basically um what happened

1:15:53

was so she had

1:15:55

a baby so there's a toddler asleep upstairs she had a

1:15:57

baby in a car and she had Another

1:16:00

girl as well who's a little bit older who I think

1:16:02

was half sister to the babies So she

1:16:04

takes the sister the little girl to the toilet

1:16:06

when she comes back everything is on fire She

1:16:09

runs upstairs. She grabs the toddler gets

1:16:11

the kids out comes back. She can't

1:16:14

she can't get to the cop and This

1:16:16

is a six-month-old child Who

1:16:18

then dies and they said

1:16:21

always because the fireplace was set up to be

1:16:23

burned and they were like, yeah But there was

1:16:25

no fuel it was just there was just stuff

1:16:27

in there and they were like, yeah Must have

1:16:29

been a spark that's coming through the window and

1:16:31

then so it was like no investigation So there's

1:16:34

a tragic accident So

1:16:36

we're on to January 5th, which you'll notice

1:16:38

is three days later in 1977 So

1:16:42

he cycles this is an interesting one. This

1:16:44

is I'd say one of the worst he

1:16:46

cycles three miles He's just cycling

1:16:48

around he's got some paraffin with him a can

1:16:50

of paraffin and he finds his house He's like,

1:16:52

oh, it's nice and quiet. So he kicks

1:16:55

the window in and he goes into a bedroom spreads

1:16:58

the paraffin around and Sets

1:17:00

fire to it and then cycles back and throws

1:17:02

the can into the Humber Into

1:17:04

the into the body of water that now

1:17:07

this the building that he's in that was nice

1:17:09

and quiet was a place called Wensley Lodge and

1:17:11

it is a council owned residential home. I think

1:17:13

you've got the name to the 11 Harold

1:17:17

Acosta 95 Victoria concert

1:17:20

83 Benjamin Phillips 83 After

1:17:22

L would 82 William Holt take to William

1:17:24

Carter who's 80 Percy Sanderson 77

1:17:27

John Ruby 75 William

1:17:30

Bill 73 Leonard Dennett who was 73

1:17:32

and Arthur harder. He was 65. I

1:17:35

was wrong that I thought was six months to 92 It's 95

1:17:38

years. Imagine getting to 95 and die not it's

1:17:40

awful So a care assistant is

1:17:43

in the home on the first floor and see smoke coming

1:17:45

out from under one of the doors Goes

1:17:47

and get someone else they find the fire and there was a

1:17:49

resident in there that they managed to get out Absolutely

1:17:52

awful They obviously evacuate as much as they can

1:17:55

but they can't get everybody out in time because

1:17:57

so many people in those situations have you know

1:17:59

mobility needs and fire evacuations were absolute,

1:18:01

you know, like, incredibly hard

1:18:03

thing to do. And at night there's fewer stuff

1:18:05

on as well. And apparently

1:18:08

he, he, there's different accounts of it, but

1:18:10

I've read an account where Peter didn't sell

1:18:12

said, Oh, that was horrible. Yeah, I was

1:18:15

cycling away and I could hear men screaming.

1:18:17

Oh my god, oh my god. Like,

1:18:20

but then there's some way he goes, Oh, no, I was

1:18:22

nowhere near it. Like when it happened. Now,

1:18:25

what happens is a poor plumber who was

1:18:27

working on the building that day in the

1:18:29

basement. They blamed on him. Yeah,

1:18:31

there was a bloke. He said, Oh, we're using a blowtorch and

1:18:33

it must have heated up the pipe and the pipe must have

1:18:35

stayed hot for seven hours

1:18:38

and traveled up the building and then set

1:18:40

fire to the, to the

1:18:42

thing. Yeah, exactly. And it's, it's

1:18:44

this shit of a kid doing

1:18:46

all basically. So April 27 1977,

1:18:48

we're nearly there. And it's three o'clock

1:18:53

in the morning. Peter Jordan is asleep in

1:18:55

his living. Oh, no, he's asleep in a

1:18:57

living room. He's staying with his friends, Albert

1:18:59

and Gwendolyn Gold. And now his

1:19:02

kids are staying over. It's a great

1:19:04

name, isn't it? So Albert

1:19:06

and Gwendolyn are upstairs with their two

1:19:09

kids. And Peter's two

1:19:11

kids are staying over as well. Um, so

1:19:14

they, he wakes up because he hears some

1:19:16

banging and he sees sort of a figure

1:19:18

and then all of a sudden the room

1:19:20

is on fire. So he must have without

1:19:22

really realizing seen Peter, like not

1:19:24

processing it with him, but had seen him

1:19:26

setting the fire. He runs

1:19:29

up, it's like a blaze. He shouts up the

1:19:31

stairs. He's like, there's a fire, there's a fire,

1:19:33

everybody needs to get out. So

1:19:36

the goals, they come down with a kid

1:19:38

who they've been in the back bedroom. Now,

1:19:40

Deborah, one of their kids has got a

1:19:43

physical disability. Again, that's like a common

1:19:45

theme. So she can't get out, you know,

1:19:47

she's struggling to get out. So

1:19:50

the kids are leaving very window in the back

1:19:52

room. And then little Mark Jordan, who's only seven

1:19:54

years old, realizes that Deborah can't do it on

1:19:56

his own. And he runs back in and he

1:19:59

and Deborah, die and he's

1:20:01

got this seven-year-old kid has gone to save it's

1:20:03

absolutely and that's Peter's son so it was like

1:20:06

the friends who's staying over so he gets

1:20:08

the kid gets a posthumous award for bravery like

1:20:10

rightly so but it's I mean it's like it

1:20:12

was genuinely making me well up it's so so

1:20:14

sad it's so so sad

1:20:17

now Peter whose son died

1:20:20

saving that poor girl he

1:20:23

was blamed they said oh were you smoking in the house

1:20:25

and they said you must have left left an ash something

1:20:28

in the after-trave that was led and

1:20:30

that's this is horrible he was absolutely

1:20:32

traumatized apparently never recovered from it because

1:20:34

he thought he was responsible for the

1:20:36

death of not only his own

1:20:38

child but another child as well so

1:20:40

January 6 1978

1:20:43

Christina Dixon she's got four

1:20:45

boys right the boys are

1:20:48

in bed she's out chatting to a neighbor all of

1:20:50

a sudden she looks around and she sees the windows

1:20:52

are full of sorts and she's starting

1:20:54

to see smoke coming out so she runs back

1:20:56

in her husband's sick in bed upstairs so

1:20:59

like she grabs the baby whose

1:21:02

name is Brian he's covered in soot

1:21:04

already so he's sleeping downstairs in that

1:21:06

the car she grabs him and she

1:21:08

goes back in for Mark who's for

1:21:10

Steven who's three and Michael who's only

1:21:12

17 months old now the

1:21:14

neighbor sees her go back in and then just

1:21:16

sees this massive ring of fire appear around in

1:21:18

the living room she hears

1:21:21

her scream Christine there's an explosion

1:21:23

and everybody oh my god awful

1:21:26

and they blame the children they said oh

1:21:28

well apparently the children used to play with

1:21:30

some lighter fluid that was in the mantlepiece

1:21:33

so these children get blamed for

1:21:35

the death horrible it is absolutely terrible

1:21:38

so he apparently used

1:21:40

to wander around he get a fire in his

1:21:42

head like I said you know you have tingly

1:21:44

fingers and he'd wander around he put paraffin in

1:21:46

a washing up bottle and he would wander around

1:21:48

with it and and one

1:21:50

of the mad things about like ableism

1:21:52

but I'm sorry is this boring

1:21:54

you all these murders all these murders all these

1:21:56

people burning to death Very

1:22:01

tired. He's quite tired in here in all of

1:22:03

this. It's fatiguing. So,

1:22:06

one of the things is

1:22:08

because he was disabled, even

1:22:12

though they all knew he was setting fire scenes, they

1:22:14

never suspected him because they were like, he doesn't have

1:22:16

the intellect and he's just like, they just thought, as

1:22:18

people do, that like, disabled people

1:22:21

can't contribute anything, not even

1:22:23

negatively. So, he

1:22:25

said he was invisible. He would stand at

1:22:29

the fire scenes and no one would ever suspect him.

1:22:31

So, he would stand there and watch for ages and

1:22:33

they thought, oh, it's just deaf Peter being deaf to

1:22:35

Peter. And he was just like, yeah, just sort of

1:22:37

be hard. And it's

1:22:40

absolutely nuts. So,

1:22:42

apparently he did wrestle with it, but he

1:22:45

said, oh, you know, after stuff had happened,

1:22:47

I would check the Bible and see what

1:22:49

it said. But ultimately he

1:22:51

was still going to do it again. Now,

1:22:54

he was, he's basically charged

1:22:56

in October of 1980 after

1:22:58

confessing to everything, based

1:23:00

on the Ros's call in going,

1:23:02

I'm pretty sure this is Peter who set fire

1:23:04

to me years ago. He's psychologically

1:23:06

evaluated and he's found that he is

1:23:09

sane and he's fit to stand trial.

1:23:12

Well, so January 20th, 1981, it's in Leeds

1:23:15

Crown Court. He

1:23:18

denied murder and he pled

1:23:20

guilty to 26 counts

1:23:24

of manslaughter and 11 counts

1:23:26

of arson. And because

1:23:28

he pled guilty, his pleas were accepted. And

1:23:32

basically it went from murder to manslaughter

1:23:34

on grounds of diminished responsibility because of,

1:23:37

in relation to his IQ and things, but I'm like, well,

1:23:39

how does he fit to stand trial if he can't really

1:23:42

delineate, he can't make really

1:23:45

conscious decisions about whether something's right or wrong.

1:23:48

And so the prosecutor was someone called

1:23:50

Gerald Coles, who said the fires were

1:23:53

his only true achievement in life, which

1:23:55

is mean, but

1:23:58

also like deserved. I also wouldn't

1:24:00

say, let's not start saying these things are achievements.

1:24:02

Yeah. But you know, I need anything to... Do

1:24:05

you have an ROA? Do you have one of those files? Do you

1:24:07

get one of those in school? I got one of achievements. Yeah. Yeah,

1:24:09

yeah. Do you know someone we know still does? What card is it?

1:24:11

And they're in their 40s. And they're

1:24:13

like, just filled another ROA. Ew.

1:24:18

What a sad bastard.

1:24:21

I knew you'd be fearing! I

1:24:23

knew you'd be fearing. Sad bastard.

1:24:26

Well, it's a weird thing to... You know, scri...

1:24:28

You know, no shade at anyone who has scrapbooks,

1:24:30

which I feel is probably about 40% of our

1:24:32

audience. So there was an

1:24:34

investigation by local authorities. They

1:24:36

basically... They investigated the local

1:24:38

authority. And were like, how has

1:24:40

this happened? How have you let a boy just wander

1:24:43

around doing this? How was he so unsupported? He

1:24:46

is detained indefinitely under the

1:24:48

Mental Health Act. And

1:24:50

the judge said... The judge has

1:24:52

got a lovely Welsh name. Justice

1:24:54

Tiddur Evans. He

1:24:56

said, this guy is a psychopath and he is

1:24:59

a danger to the public. Now,

1:25:03

in the time between him being charged and it

1:25:05

going to trial, Tommy Hasty, if you

1:25:07

remember him, the dad who was let out, never

1:25:10

saw the trial because this family is

1:25:12

mired by tragedy. He's

1:25:14

on a motorbike with one of his daughters.

1:25:16

He has an accident and it kills them

1:25:18

both. Oh my God! It is absolutely awful.

1:25:20

And then two months later, Edie has another

1:25:23

baby. So like she'd

1:25:25

been pregnant when he died and another daughter

1:25:27

died. Like that family's had so much tragedy.

1:25:29

It's unbelievably bleak. So he, first of

1:25:31

all, is sent to Park Lane Special Hospital in Liverpool.

1:25:33

And just like Broadmoor, it's the kind of hospital that

1:25:35

is... Well, it's not a prison,

1:25:37

but it's also not a traditional hospital. He's

1:25:40

transferred eventually to Rampton Secure Hospital.

1:25:43

All this happens, by the way, about the same time

1:25:45

that the Yorkshire Riffer is on trial, which is why

1:25:48

most people don't know about him. It was

1:25:50

not the high-profile trial, even though he killed

1:25:52

far more. So that is

1:25:55

it. He's still in there. He's

1:25:57

still alive. In December 1983... there

1:26:00

was an inquiry and it

1:26:03

overturned his conviction for the

1:26:05

residential home. So immediately 15

1:26:08

manslaughter things got taken off

1:26:10

him. And this is because there was a

1:26:12

big investigation at the time by The Sunday

1:26:15

Times, who said that the police had kind

1:26:17

of coerced this out of him. They basically

1:26:19

went, how can a boy who's disabled and

1:26:21

has got one arm that doesn't work properly

1:26:23

hold paraffin and cycle three miles, which I

1:26:25

think is ableist shit. Well, yeah,

1:26:27

it can because you did. Yeah, exactly. So

1:26:30

they said, oh, there's too much,

1:26:32

you know, his timelines don't make

1:26:34

sense. He wasn't in the right

1:26:36

places at the right time. And

1:26:39

we don't believe that he could cycle

1:26:41

that far with some paraffin. So they

1:26:43

said that there was basically enough doubt

1:26:45

for it to be overturned, but he

1:26:48

was still guilty of the other 15.

1:26:50

So he just has just 15 manslaughter

1:26:53

and the 11, sorry, were

1:26:55

appealed. Now, in that article

1:26:57

by The Sunday Times, they say that Ronald

1:27:00

Segar, the superintendent,

1:27:03

had sort of falsified stuff or

1:27:05

exaggerated or coerced him. Segar

1:27:08

went, okay, well, obviously, print a retraction. That's

1:27:10

not true. And they were like, we'll print

1:27:12

a retraction. And but there was something they

1:27:14

wouldn't do. So he sued them for libel

1:27:16

and he won successfully in

1:27:19

1987. And they eventually printed a

1:27:21

retraction as well as the exceptions. So that

1:27:23

is like one of the most

1:27:25

prolific British serial killers ever.

1:27:28

And we've only just heard of him. That's

1:27:31

mad, isn't it? Yeah. We don't do

1:27:33

many arsonists. I wonder why that is. Don't

1:27:36

know. Because it

1:27:38

gets used to get overshadowed by other stuff.

1:27:41

Yeah. Isn't it weird though, that like, he's

1:27:43

killing that many people and to me, like,

1:27:45

there's no good way of dying in a

1:27:47

tragic circumstance, obviously, but like, burning

1:27:49

to death or, you know, any of that stuff seems just

1:27:52

horrific. But because it's not like, seen

1:27:54

as a violent act, I don't know, because you're

1:27:56

not stabbed, or, you know, shot or something

1:27:59

like that, people don't know. just didn't give as much

1:28:01

as the shit or strangled. It's

1:28:03

like it's not, it's like it's another thing doing it. Do

1:28:05

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the fire's

1:28:07

done it. Yeah, exactly. So it's a fire that is the

1:28:10

cult. Yeah. Horrible.

1:28:12

It's really horrible, really bleak. And I cannot

1:28:14

believe he's 19 and one of the most.

1:28:16

Did not enjoy. No, I did warn you.

1:28:19

I thought you were gonna hate this one. I didn't like that. As

1:28:22

soon as I was, I think I was watching

1:28:24

something. It was like an 11 elderly man. Oh

1:28:26

God. Oh God. Rachel's gone, she's gone with

1:28:28

this. I hate it. Well,

1:28:31

that was peated in self-presence. Mailbag will be

1:28:33

next episode. Cause that went on a bit.

1:28:35

We didn't realize it was gonna be this

1:28:37

many, even though it's an incredibly prolific killer.

1:28:39

So thanks so much for listening, for watching.

1:28:42

Thank you. And for supporting us on Patreon,

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for supporting us by coming to our live

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shows, which we cannot wait to do. Please

1:28:49

come and see me on tour. I'm on tour absolutely

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everywhere. By the way, if you message me, go every

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time I go, I've got some new dates on sale.

1:28:55

People go, oh, I'm so sad that

1:28:57

you don't come to, do you know who's the worst for

1:29:00

it? Fucking North Wales. I wish you'd just come

1:29:02

to bang it. It's been on sale since December.

1:29:04

You're choosing not to find the ticket. It's so annoying.

1:29:06

I know exactly what you mean. I had so

1:29:08

many the other day. I had like nine in

1:29:10

a day and I was like, I'm gonna run

1:29:12

into a fucking wall at this point. So hard not

1:29:14

to be passive aggressive. So just check my website,

1:29:16

have a look. Have a look, mate. It's

1:29:20

called Peacock. And I think I can officially talk

1:29:22

about what it's about now. So I've been able,

1:29:24

it's been signed off by social workers. It's all

1:29:26

done. Ooh. I know, I'm sure.

1:29:29

It's exciting, isn't it? And I'm collecting- Is it about

1:29:31

me? It's about you. It's been signed up by social

1:29:34

workers, by everyone. It's gone right to the top. King

1:29:36

Charles has got a big fat digits in him. No,

1:29:40

shame for him. I did

1:29:42

actually, this is coming out months later. So

1:29:44

hopefully he's still alive. I don't have to

1:29:46

learn another answer. Anyway.

1:29:49

Well, do you know when it was announced

1:29:51

that King Charles had cancer? Tim

1:29:54

just out of the blue. No one was saying anything about

1:29:56

it. It was the day after. Well,

1:29:58

I'll tell you now, we won't be paying for it. for another

1:30:00

grand funeral. And I went, sorry?

1:30:03

He went, the king? I went, right, okay,

1:30:05

just out of nowhere. I saw, I'm sure

1:30:07

it's fake news, but I saw something where it's like, you

1:30:10

know, cause he's a bit of a herbalist and

1:30:12

things like that, that he's going to avoid chemotherapy

1:30:14

and do it like herbaly. And I was like,

1:30:16

fucking please don't, I'm an

1:30:18

anti-vax king. It's like, this country has been

1:30:20

through enough. I really hope it's fake news

1:30:23

is what I'm saying. Please

1:30:26

don't get in contact with me about holistic medicine, listen. Don't

1:30:28

get in touch with us about the king either. You can

1:30:30

do what you want in combination with what we know to

1:30:32

be the most effective medical treatment in the world. You know

1:30:35

the one argument I have, I'm sick of hearing? Well,

1:30:38

well, has he been on the way, how long has he

1:30:40

been on the waiting list for? It's all right for some.

1:30:43

It's like, of course he's not going

1:30:45

to have an H-F treatment. He's the king of England.

1:30:47

That is so mad that they think like, oh

1:30:49

yeah, he's gonna pop down to fucking Hometon and

1:30:51

see if he can fit it, yeah, obviously he's

1:30:53

not. That's all, let him pay for it. Yeah?

1:30:58

Well, we pay for it, is the issue. He's the

1:31:00

king of England. He's the king

1:31:02

of England. Of course he's not gonna be

1:31:04

down fucking Whips Cross. Right,

1:31:07

and everyone has been, it will come

1:31:09

in easy, it's just absolutely anybody. Listen

1:31:12

to me say bye.