This week we have a chat with James Gifford who recently authored a post on LinkedIn regarding how we view maturity in our organizations.  Is chasing a more "mature" organization really the direction we should be moving in?  Or would it make more sense to orient around builidng capabilities?  Listen in and find out what we think! Enjoy! If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.  Much thanks to the artist  from  who provided us our outro music free-of-charge!  If you like what you heard,     to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories,  please jump into the fray at our  We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free.  However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a .  Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!