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Welcome to A Thriving Catholic Podcast
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, a show that's dedicated to helping Catholics
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live the extraordinary and
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abundant lives we were
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made for . I'm your host , jessica
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Castillo . I'm a Catholic life and
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health coach , and it's my mission to bring
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you the best practices of body
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, mind and soul each week and
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help you apply them in your daily life so
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that you can truly thrive
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Well
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. Hey there , friend , and welcome to the show . One
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of the questions that I have been asking
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myself so much over the last
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few months is what does
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it mean for Catholics to strive
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for excellence ? What
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is God's idea of excellence for us
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, and how do
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we , as Catholics , respond
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to that call and that innate desire
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to strive to be the very
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best that we can be , while
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also recognizing our constant
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reliance on God and our need for humility
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? These are some questions
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that I explored with my friend , kylie
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Hine , on her podcast
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Persistence in Prayer a few
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weeks ago , and
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I wanted to share this interview with you here because I really think that there's so many
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ideas and concepts about what the Catholic pursuit of excellence
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looks like that I
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think you will enjoy
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exploring as well , and if
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you do , I have some exciting
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news for you I'm actually
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releasing a new podcast
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in the next few weeks that
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will be called the Catholic pursuit of excellence
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. So if you are interested
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in this topic and you want to dive more
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into it , I'm going to share with you when
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that podcast is live . I would
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love for you to check it out . Okay , hope
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you enjoyed this interview .
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Have you
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ever found yourself in the middle of something and
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working hard , but really just truly
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excelling week after week , and
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then had this moment where
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you asked yourself what
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am I even doing ? Why
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am I here and
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why am I pursuing this thing ? Well
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, that is exactly what happened to my friend , jessica
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, and if you are someone who
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is always striving to
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do the absolute best , who is seeking excellence
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not just doing well at things
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, but really I mean you want to be the top
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of the top then you are going to
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love this week's guest . Jessica Castillo
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is a Catholic life and
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health coach and the founder of A Thriving Catholic , but
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she is also a West Point
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grad , she is a veteran
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and she is amazing . So listen
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, in this week we are going to talk
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about some habits that can really
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transform your life , and we're also
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going to share how
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you can truly be living out peak
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performance . Hello , beautiful souls
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and welcome to the Persistence in Prayer podcast
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hosted by Catholic Mindset coach , wife
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, mother , educator and speaker
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, kylie Hine . Kylie is passionate
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about helping you deepen your relationship with
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God through the power of prayer . This
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podcast is a space for high
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achievers who want to do it all , but
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also want to prioritize their
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spiritual life and grow in faith . Join
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us as we explore the beauty of persistence
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in prayer and the transformative impact
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it can have on our lives . Get
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ready to discover practical tips , insights
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and inspiration to help you develop a
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daily prayer practice and cultivate
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a deeper sense of trust in God's plan
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for your life . Let's journey together
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towards a more fulfilled and faithful
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life . As we invite the Holy Spirit in
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, let's begin . Invite the Holy Spirit in , let's begin
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. Please help me in welcoming the wonderful
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Jessica Castillo . Jessica
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is a Catholic life and health coach and the founder of A Thriving Catholic
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, where she helps her clients develop the transformative habits of body , mind and
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soul that allow them to stop merely
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surviving each day and instead start
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living the thriving and abundant lives that God
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made them for . Jessica , thank you so
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much for being here . It's my
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pleasure . Thanks for having me . Yeah
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, so I feel like there's so much to your story
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that your bio does not even touch
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on . Can you just give us a
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quick rundown of , kind of like , what
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is your story , how did you get here , and then also
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tell us a little bit about your family ?
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Yeah , sure . So my background
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is that I am actually a West
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Point graduate and a former army officer
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, so I am
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an adult convert to Catholicism
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. I ended up coming into the church in
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between my two combat deployments to Iraq in between
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my two combat deployments to Iraq . So
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I came into the church at
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Easter Vigil 2010
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. And shortly after that
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I married my husband
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and so we have
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together three children . And
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when I was getting out of the army and pregnant with my first child
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, I was really struggling to figure out what God wanted me to do now that I was done
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with the army and it was time to start raising a family . And so I really
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struggled with what a good
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Catholic wife and mom would be like
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and look like and
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what was my mission , what was my vocation
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all about . And because
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I was still kind of a baby catholic at that time , I
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didn't understand very clearly
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how greatly
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varied all
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the lives of the saints are and that there's
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not really a cookie cutter perfect catholic
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wife and mom , that there's this mold
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that I needed to fit into . But I didn't
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understand that at the time . So
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I was really struggling with
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that identity of no longer being
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a working professional and now
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I was a stay-at-home mom and
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what was I supposed to be doing with my life
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? I was still very achievement-oriented
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and driven , so I was starting
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a lot of different graduate school programs
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and so I like to joke that I'm a grad
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school dropout because like kind of
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like the Griefs Beauty School dropout , because
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I was just constantly
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in a grad school program
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because I would think this is it , I'm
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going to be a counselor or I'm
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going to be a teacher , or I'm going to be a teacher or I'm
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going to do this thing . And so I couldn't
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find anything that really fit
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me and really
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what ended up happening for me is
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that I had this
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downward spiral , this real
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struggle with what I know now
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was depression , but
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I couldn't figure out
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what I was supposed to be
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doing with my life and
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I didn't want to be wasting my potential
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, my talents , my gifts that I felt the
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Lord had given me . And
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I just felt really trapped
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and stuck in this life
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of of being Catholic wife and
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mom and I felt like I was just another
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you know , the word just
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was always in my mind and heart Like I'm
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just another mom , I'm just
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another Catholic woman , and
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there was nothing special about me
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and there was nothing special I could do , and
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so I started really spiraling
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, and you know , one quote
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that I often think about
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in this time is what St Thomas
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Aquinas said . He said man
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cannot live without joy , so
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when he is deprived of true spiritual
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joy , it is necessary that
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he turn to carnal pleasures . And
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for me , because I had this great
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disconnect between this
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extraordinary life that I thought God
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had promised me when I was going through
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RCIA and coming into the church , versus
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the reality of what my existence
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was , which really I felt like I was just surviving
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, I felt
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such a lack of joy that
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I definitely turned to these carnal
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pleasures . I started drinking heavily
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, I was binge eating junk
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food , I was staying
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up late to binge watch Netflix
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. I was just a mess , and I knew
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I was a mess , but I didn't care , like
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I couldn't care , because I didn't
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understand what I was dealing
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with . So , thanks
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be to God , I had a wake up
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call , and a good friend really bluntly
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pointed out to me this is depression , you
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are depressed , and so
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that was actually such a grace , though
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, because that helped me take
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stock of what was going on
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in my body and mind , that I
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had control over that , I
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could fix . And
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so I started implementing this strategy
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of taking better care of my
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body and mind and it worked
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very rapidly . My mood was
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so much better
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. I had lost a lot of weight , I
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had more energy , I could think more clearly
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and I recognized all of these physical changes
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had such a huge impact on my mental
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health . And then it finally took
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me to this doorstep of where
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I could turn back to the Lord and
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actually , from a place of
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clarity and a place of
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wholeness , I could turn to God and ask
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what do you want me to do
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with my life ? Because I feel like
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you've called me to something and
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I feel like I'm missing that calling
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, which is why I feel so unfulfilled
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and so unhappy . And
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when I did that and I was
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finally radically open to hearing
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what God had to say instead of chasing the
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next grad school program , I
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very clearly felt the call to
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found a thriving Catholic . And
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at that time I didn't know
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that coaching was a thing . I didn't
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know that there was a name for what
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I wanted to do . I just knew
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that I could help other Catholic
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women break free from living
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their lives of quiet desperation
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and I could help them develop
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those habits that would give
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them more energy , more vitality
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, like more wholeness , so then
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they could actually have that
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strength that they needed
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to be able to serve the Lord in
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whatever unique way he was calling them to
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serve him . So
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that's how I started a thriving Catholic
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and then , as I started , I
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just took one step after another . That's
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when I learned more about the world of coaching
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and I ended up getting certified as an
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integrative nutrition health coach and
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started training in Catholic mindset
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coaching . And all of that came later , but
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the vision for Thriving Catholics was
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the first thing .
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I think it's so wonderful , because sometimes
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God puts this thing on our heart and we
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truly have no idea how we are going
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to get there , like , okay , now
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once I finally know what it is , I don't know how
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I'm going to do it , but he just provides
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if we are patient and we follow that
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inclination . I want to go back
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to some of the things that you brought up , because I think that
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the questions you were asking yourself are so
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relatable to my
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audience and just so many women in general
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. So the first question that you said was what
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does God want me to do ? And
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I have found myself asking
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this question even when I was working
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60 hours a week . Like Lord , what
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do you want me to do ? It never felt like it was enough
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. What do you want me to do ? What do you want me to do ? Do
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you have clients still come to you with that question ? What does
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God want me to do ? I can't figure out what he wants
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me to do with this five minutes . I don't know what I'm supposed to
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do with my life .
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Yeah , it's so interesting that you mentioned , like this , five minutes and then this bigger
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life picture too , because if we don't have that clarity on what the bigger picture of our life is
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, it's really hard to figure out what we should do in those five
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minutes too . Yes , definitely
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. Had science come to me and say
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, well , I just need more time , I just need more
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free time . And then I'll ask them , well , what
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would you do with that time ? And
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they just get that deer in headlights look . Oh
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, I don't know , I need
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it though .
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My response would have been take a nap . I would take
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a nap .
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Yeah , there's a lot of take a nap
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, but a lot of especially moms
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, I think if they do unexpected
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get handed a chunk of free time like
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, for instance , say , their mother-in-law
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is now able to watch their kids and they say , okay
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, you have an afternoon for yourself , they really
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are almost at a loss because they
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have no idea what
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they want to do with that time versus
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what they need to do . You know there's all
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of these things that it can be very challenging
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. So that's a really good place
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to kind of start and dig into
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. How would you want to spend , what
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would that extraordinary life look and
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feel like for you and how
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can we get your current reality closer
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to that ideal ? And also
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dreaming with the Lord , like you said . Like when
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we have this vision for our lives , we say
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, you know and I think this is very common of
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very driven , very type A , very
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motivated people , which I tend to
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attract a lot of that kind of client
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to myself and they'll
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come and they have this idea
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and I'll say , well , I want to do X , y and Z and
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this is how I'm going to do it . And
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when we take a step back and we say , okay
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, that's good , thank you for sharing , but what is the Lord
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asking you to do ? What is he
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, does he get to say in this ? And that was
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something that I had to learn the hard way for myself
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, because I'm so stubborn and
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choleric myself . I thought I knew exactly
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what I was going to do when I got out of the army . I was
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already accepted into my first graduate
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school program . I already knew what
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I was going to be doing and
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I think it was actually
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, looking back on it , such a great grace
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and blessing from the Lord that he just kept putting
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brick wall after brick wall in my path
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needed
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that to really slow me down and get me to stop and ask those deeper questions and be
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open to hearing what he had to say .
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Absolutely , I think that sometimes we
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can , especially , like you said , the high choleric
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, because I'm also high choleric we push
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and , push and push like the next degree
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. Well , if I just get this one more thing , if I learn this one more thing , I'll be able
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to do something with it . I don't know , but I'm supposed to do it thing . If I learn this one more thing
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, I'll be able to do something with it . I don't know , but I'm supposed
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to do it and we wanted to recognize
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for it .
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I dropped out of every grad school program with
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the perfect 4.0 . Like I was
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, I was a good student , but I just was
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not . It was never a good fit . It was never
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the right thing .
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And why do I want this degree ? Why
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does the Lord want me to have this ? Because if he doesn't
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, then I'm pursuing it
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for some other reason , either because
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I want recognition , because
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I feel like I'm not enough , or because I really just don't know what to do , and I don't know
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how to sit still . So I'm going to do anything else to not be still .
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Yeah , it feels better to be striving
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for something , even if it's the wrong something
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. It feels better to be striving for something , even if it's
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the wrong something , than it does to not know or to be stuck in indecision . I think that
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that's for cholerics . That feeling
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of indecision is the worst . So we just
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have to decide .
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We have to decide and move , and
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sometimes it's hard to take that
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pause to let the Lord lead
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us Absolutely and then
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it leads to , like you said , where the
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Lord has to intervene and say no
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, I need you to slow down , and sometimes
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that can show up in our bodies . You
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work a lot with the body and
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soul connection . When
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we are constantly going and going and going
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and we're putting ourselves in these high
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stress situations
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because we're not resting , we're always
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pursuing the next thing , how
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does that show up in people's bodies ?
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Yeah , it's a great question . Well , some
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of the more obvious things , especially
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with women , will be like hormonal disruption
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, so problems with their menstrual
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cycle , difficulty sleeping
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. Sleep is a huge issue . I
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help my clients with weight
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gain , or especially weight gain
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around the midsection and
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the belly area
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. This is really common because stress is so
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high , so
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these sort of things start manifesting in the body , but also
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habits , like I developed myself
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, where they're coping
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by turning to substances , whether
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that's food or alcohol , or
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even scrolling or
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binging type behaviors , because
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they're not managing or dealing with
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their stress adequately . And
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one of the things that I really like to help my clients
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recognize is that they
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can still be a very
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motivated , high achieving , driven
16:48
person and
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not let it consume them
16:52
, that they can actually be thriving
16:55
even while being
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a high achiever . And so that really
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comes down to keeping
17:02
priorities very
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crystal clear and in order . And so
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when we keep
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first things first and
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really for us as Catholics , we know
17:14
that this is our relationship with the Lord . When
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we keep our eyes fixed firmly on Jesus
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, he allows us to run
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this race way better
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than we can do on our own and he
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also , you know , augments
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our efforts . He gives us and is able
17:30
to accomplish , in and through us , more
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than we might ask or think . So we think
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we have big dreams for our lives . Well
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, god
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has bigger dreams for our lives , and he can also help us to actually
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achieve them in a way that is ordered , in
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a way that doesn't lead to burnout and stress and
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all of these things that
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we attribute to chronic health conditions
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.
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Yeah , I , I remember just thinking back to my early twenties of the extreme work hours and just going
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and going and going and , like you said , food and alcohol . Food
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was always on the go , because that's all you ever had
18:12
time for . The alcohol was on the
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weekends , cause it's like that's your only social time
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. The bar was what was open , or
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I had friends who worked you know crazy
18:21
hours , and so that was the only place to
18:23
meet . So then you found yourself drinking
18:25
to be social , but also
18:28
coping with the stress and not even realizing
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that that is what you are doing . And
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also sleep for me
18:36
was something that for so long I struggled
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with , and I didn't realize
18:40
that I actually could turn my brain off
18:43
. I could get to a point where I wasn't
18:45
thinking all the time , but
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I also grew up with
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a dad and my mom too , where
18:52
theirs didn't turn off either . They
18:54
both had trouble sleeping , and so that's what
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I grew up with . I didn't know that it could be
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different . So
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we're ending
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Lent right when we've been in the desert , we're
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exiting out . You just finished
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up a really great Lenten
19:10
group . Will you tell us , kind
19:12
of what were the fruits of
19:14
that group that you had ?
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Yeah , so this has been my
19:19
second year now running the Missio
19:21
Parada Lenten Challenge , and
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Missio Parada is Latin for mission ready
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, and the intent of the challenge
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was my
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goal was to help people literally
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become fit instruments in the hands
19:36
of God so that they could accomplish the
19:38
work that he's given them to do . But
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in order to become mission ready
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they really , for
19:45
most people we needed to cut
19:47
out some of these habits
19:49
that were holding us back or destroying our
19:51
health . So having
19:53
a disciplined diet , eliminating inflammatory
19:55
foods , getting enough sleep
19:58
, getting enough daily movement so
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these were part of the challenge and
20:02
then also incorporating
20:04
into your life a disciplined
20:06
schedule of prayer , which , for
20:09
the purposes of the Missio Prado Challenge
20:11
, include 30 minutes of daily Lectio
20:13
Divina and a daily rosary
20:15
. So we took these habits
20:18
and combined them into this challenge
20:20
, so we had this group of people
20:22
working together on all of these habits
20:24
that really
20:26
are truly in and of themselves transformative
20:29
, but when we do them all together
20:31
at the same time , the
20:33
effect is really it's really life changing
20:36
. So some of the response from
20:38
the challenge has been for many people
20:40
who had never actually been
20:43
that intentional about their diet
20:45
before . They were surprised how
20:47
well they felt how much energy they
20:49
had . They didn't need a nap every
20:51
afternoon anymore . They could actually
20:54
function the whole day . They
20:56
could think clearly anymore
20:59
. They could actually function the whole day . They could think clearly . But I think a bigger fruit of
21:01
the challenge for most people was that for many people they've never had
21:03
that deep meditative prayer before
21:05
, where they didn't know how to have that
21:07
kind of deep prayer before . And
21:10
incorporating that and also
21:12
all of the graces and blessings that come from
21:14
praying the rosary also
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all of the graces and blessings that come from praying the rosary People have profound experiences
21:19
of a relationship with the Lord or recognizing
21:22
that God has something to say
21:24
to them in scripture , like
21:26
to them uniquely and to them individually
21:29
, and so I think that was one of the best fruits
21:32
of the challenge . And , of
21:34
course , when people have more energy , more clarity
21:36
of thought , they don't need a nap in the middle of the day anymore
21:39
. They don't feel like they're just surviving
21:41
their day . So they actually now do
21:44
have the capacity to
21:46
listen in their times of prayer to
21:48
what the Lord might be calling them to do . Maybe he's
21:51
got something extraordinary lined up for them
21:53
and now they're ready for it . So that
21:55
was the goal and the end of the Michio
21:57
Prado challenge .
21:59
The food thing . I don't
22:02
know if I didn't believe it for a long time , but I
22:04
never realized how much it affected
22:06
me , and I know some of the things
22:08
that you cut out in your challenge are
22:11
sugar I think you do wheat Is
22:13
that right ? Gluten . Yeah , sugar , gluten , sugar
22:15
, gluten dairy and alcohol
22:17
, yes , okay , so all four things
22:19
that I have had to cut out of my diet over time
22:22
. Um , in addition to other things , and
22:24
it does make a difference
22:26
and I even found
22:28
through some of my food allergies as we were
22:30
doing testing , because the place
22:32
they go , they do a very specific type of testing where they
22:34
will inject me with something that I'm allergic to and then
22:36
monitor the symptoms , the
22:38
doom and gloom , like that's
22:41
what they call it . Doom and gloom like this anxiety that
22:43
comes over you from a
22:45
food that you are ingesting , that
22:47
blew my mind , that that
22:49
, or nausea , like these things
22:52
that were happening to my body that
22:54
I thought were a result of stress , which
22:57
adds into it , but it was really
22:59
from something that I was eating and it was
23:01
causing it to be so
23:03
recurrent all of the time , and I had no
23:05
idea .
23:06
Well , people , I feel like what happens
23:08
is people are so used to feeling bad all
23:11
the time that they don't even know
23:13
what it feels like to feel well , and
23:15
so this is your normal . If your this is your normal , if
23:17
your normal is that you're always a little achy
23:20
and tired and your nose runs every day
23:22
, then you don't know that
23:24
there's a difference . You don't know what it's like
23:26
to have this vital energy or
23:28
to have this really happy mood where
23:31
you're just like washing your dishes and
23:33
you think I'm happy right now . What's
23:35
going on in my external circumstances ? Nothing
23:38
, nothing has changed . But you
23:40
will feel so much more joy and vitality
23:42
in your life . And , yeah
23:44
, people don't even know . And so part of why
23:46
I included that in the Monsieur Prada Lenten
23:48
Challenge is because I knew how powerful those
23:50
habits were for people . But
23:53
I also know that
23:55
Lent is a time that people are willing
23:57
to embrace challenge . They're
24:00
willing to embrace something that's hard
24:02
in a way that maybe
24:04
they're not always ready to do , something
24:06
that feels that for
24:08
them . So it's great . I always said
24:11
well , let's capitalize on your desire to do
24:13
something hard and let's do it for the greater
24:15
glory of the Lord and see
24:17
what happens , and the first year I
24:19
ran the challenge it was just a let's see what happens
24:22
sort of thing I wanted to see , and
24:24
now I know that it is really powerful
24:26
and it is transformative for a lot of people
24:28
.
24:29
Whether it's eliminating food or
24:31
making time to pray the rosary
24:34
or Lectio Divina
24:36
, which I will say . One of my Lenten
24:39
things several years ago was praying the rosary every day
24:41
, and I have stuck with it ever since . It is such a beautiful
24:43
practice , so if you are not praying a
24:45
daily rosary , I highly recommend
24:47
it . But going
24:50
back to this , a lot of people
24:52
, I think , will say I
24:54
don't have the self-discipline for that . Do
24:57
you think it's a self-discipline issue or is it
24:59
something else ?
25:00
I think that different personality types
25:03
respond differently . I think
25:05
anyone can be disciplined enough to do
25:07
something if they have a deep enough why
25:09
for why they're doing . And
25:11
so I think , for people who think that
25:14
they lack discipline , what they really
25:16
lack is a strong enough motivation to
25:19
help them do it . So I think that's part
25:21
of it A strong enough why to do
25:23
it . And then the other part is really
25:25
just about systems . It's
25:28
about having the
25:30
systems in place that make it
25:32
possible and make it easy for you to
25:34
implement and develop these habits . And
25:36
this is why , for the Miss you Proud
25:39
of Winston Challenge , I provided free
25:41
weekly training and coaching calls . But
25:43
for some people that's still not going
25:45
to be enough to really dig deeper
25:47
into the actual
25:49
practical obstacles that they might be
25:52
facing , but also the
25:54
mindset things that come up
25:56
, because sometimes people don't realize
25:58
how much they're holding on
26:00
to some of these bad habits . Like
26:03
, for instance , if your thought is
26:05
this is all I have
26:08
, the only pleasure I have in life
26:10
is that I can have this glass of wine and watch
26:12
Netflix . When my kids finally go to bed and
26:14
it's gonna be a big ask for
26:16
me to tell you to get eight hours of sleep and to stop
26:18
drinking alcohol . So you're like , no , that's
26:21
all I have . So some
26:23
of that requires a little bit deeper
26:26
work and that's where coaching can be really
26:28
powerful . To work with a client
26:30
one-on-one and kind of dig into what
26:32
is this limiting belief ? What is
26:35
holding you back from making this change ? I
26:37
think it's very rarely a lack
26:39
of self-discipline . People are disciplined
26:41
enough to do things . They just either
26:44
lack a deep enough , a good enough reason
26:46
why they should , and then
26:48
also the practical and
26:50
mindset pieces of just really
26:53
the science of habit
26:55
formation . How do we incorporate that ? We know
26:57
how habits work . Let's just tap
26:59
into that and use it to apply to
27:01
what you choose with
27:04
your intellect and your will to do differently
27:06
in your lives .
27:07
So , speaking of intellect and will , I
27:10
feel like that is a very Catholic . Those
27:12
are Catholic words , right ? Talking about the intellect
27:14
and the will , you brought up St Thomas Aquinas
27:16
earlier . What is the impact
27:19
of being Catholic on your ? How
27:21
does it affect your approach to health versus someone
27:23
who's an integrative health coach ? That is not Catholic
27:25
.
27:27
I think that's such a great question . Well
27:29
, first of all , as a
27:31
Catholic , I think that we should not compartmentalize
27:34
anything in our lives , that everything
27:37
is this beautiful united whole
27:39
. And then , also as a Catholic , we know
27:41
that we are just this beautiful
27:43
body-soul composite
27:46
, impossible for us to try
27:48
to separate out and
27:50
say this is my body and this is my soul , and
27:53
they're separate . That's just not
27:55
the truth of our nature , of our
27:57
human nature . So when
27:59
one part of your nature suffers
28:01
, either your soul or your
28:03
body , the other also suffers . And
28:06
so , as a Catholic
28:08
life and health coach , I try
28:10
to really bring that integration
28:13
and unity into everything I do . And
28:15
then I feel like it also helps to
28:18
avoid some really common pitfalls
28:21
that other health coaches
28:23
or wellness experts can fall into
28:25
, which it can be really easy to make
28:27
an idol of our health and wellness
28:29
and to think well , perfect health
28:32
is the goal , and really
28:34
I think of perfect health and thriving
28:36
health as a tool . As
28:39
we are instruments in the hands of God
28:41
, so is our health a tool to be used
28:43
at his service and the service
28:46
of God and our neighbor . And
28:48
I also think that it's
28:50
really easy to slip into new
28:53
ageism with wellness
28:55
, where , you know , a lot of
28:57
people in the health space talk about the
28:59
universe or manifesting things
29:01
, and so I really love
29:03
being able to , in my work
29:06
, draw on a very deep and
29:08
rich tradition that's
29:10
founded in the teachings
29:12
of the Catholic Church , that's founded in the
29:14
writings and lengths of the saints , that
29:17
incorporates prayer very
29:19
heavily in my coaching , which I think I
29:23
really don't know any other health coaches that are incorporating
29:25
a lot of prayer . But sometimes what
29:28
I work with my clients on is how
29:31
to have more aspirational prayers in their day
29:33
, and that's what's going to help them actually
29:35
get to that next level of now
29:37
they can make these other lifestyle
29:40
and habit changes . So I
29:42
just feel like for me it
29:44
can't be separated . There's no way to
29:46
just separate out and say , well
29:49
, I'm a Catholic who happens to
29:51
be a coach , and for me
29:53
I'm like now I'm a Catholic coach . It's like fully
29:56
integrated in what I do .
29:58
Absolutely . Which is what I love so much about the work
30:00
that you are doing I think that really drew my
30:03
attention to you when I first learned
30:05
about your coaching was you
30:07
do focus so much on helping people get
30:09
good sleep and develop healthy habits
30:11
, but prayer is just as
30:13
integral . You talk about prayer just
30:15
as much in everything that you are doing . So
30:18
this kind of leads to my next question . I
30:20
think part of it comes from making sure that we're prayerful
30:23
when we are approaching these things . But
30:25
, as you mentioned , having a lot
30:27
of type A clients come to you
30:29
, how do we get from
30:32
not trying to do it all ourselves
30:34
to relying on the Lord to
30:36
help us take care of our bodies , take care of
30:38
our souls , take care of our kids , because oftentimes
30:42
clerics are very self-reliant
30:44
. We don't see a problem
30:47
because we think we do everything right
30:49
.
30:50
Yes , so I
30:52
can speak from personal experience here
30:54
and say that this is a lesson that the Lord
30:56
has been working on me with
30:58
for my bulletin blog , and so
31:00
I am still learning
31:03
this lesson , which
31:05
is why it's helpful for me . I feel
31:07
like that's why I can provide some
31:09
insight to clear my hands , because
31:11
I totally get it , I
31:13
understand it entirely , and so
31:15
I think , when it comes to
31:17
how do we push
31:20
and do our best but also
31:22
rely on the Lord and
31:24
not on ourselves , I think it really
31:27
comes down to a very moment
31:29
to moment acknowledgement of
31:31
, first of all , the presence of God . Just
31:34
the Lord is with me now and
31:36
in each moment I can ask him to be with
31:38
me . And so I think , constantly drawing
31:40
to mind the fact that the Lord is
31:43
here and present and active
31:45
and offering each
31:47
thing that I'm doing to the Lord , and
31:50
then really accepting
31:52
whatever comes from that , whatever
31:54
comes from that moment , because I think that
31:56
the real challenge with cholerics
31:58
or with type A driven people , it
32:00
is so much that they
32:02
want to achieve and do a lot of things . I
32:05
think that the Lord has made us that way , and so I don't
32:07
think that that's the issue . I think that
32:09
the issue is that we want to also then
32:11
control the outcomes . Yes
32:13
, and I think what we have to do
32:16
is embrace our intensity
32:18
, embrace our desire to achieve
32:20
and to excel . I
32:22
think there's nothing wrong with wanting to be excellent
32:25
. The Lord planted that desire in your soul
32:27
Be great , to be extraordinary
32:30
. That's what he's made . He designed
32:32
you that way . So if we fight against that
32:34
, we're just fighting against our own nature
32:37
and that's ridiculous . But
32:39
if we channel that
32:41
intensity into service of the
32:43
Lord , knowing that it's his strength
32:45
that's given us that , like , nothing that we have is on our own
32:47
. He's given us our gifts , he's given us our talents , he's given us the very breath and
32:49
our lungs and the strength that we have is on our own . He's given us our gifts , he's given
32:51
us our talents , he's given us the very breath
32:54
and our lungs and the strength that we
32:56
have to do the work that he's
32:58
given us to do . He's given us all of that . It's
33:00
all a gift . So then , when
33:02
we channel that intensity and then
33:04
we also say to the Lord
33:06
now you do what you're going to
33:08
do with it , I'm going to do my best
33:10
, and then I'm going to like
33:13
, lose hands on the results , what
33:15
comes of this , what happens next
33:17
, what you plan to do with this ? That's
33:21
all you , lord , that's your lane . My
33:23
lane is to
33:25
discern your will as well as
33:27
I can , and
33:32
then I'm going to channel all of my intensity and energy and strength into doing your will
33:34
with excellence , the very best I can , but
33:37
I'm not going to worry about what comes next
33:39
, I'm not going to worry about the outcomes . And
33:41
that's where I think the difference is , that's where
33:43
I think it turns away from being ungodly
33:46
self-reliance , because , with so
33:49
many driven people , we're worried about what we
33:51
achieve , what we accomplish , what we do
33:53
. And I think that if we can shift
33:55
the focus from those outcome-oriented
33:58
things and instead shift the focus
34:00
to who we are becoming
34:03
in the doing , are
34:05
we becoming that saint
34:08
version of ourselves ? Are we
34:10
becoming more loving , more kind
34:12
, more gentle , having those fruits
34:14
of the Holy Spirit manifest in
34:16
our lives as we're
34:19
pushing and as we're trying to achieve
34:21
, I think that really changes
34:23
the whole dynamic .
34:26
Absolutely . You explained that so beautifully
34:28
, so thank you for that .
34:30
Like I said , I've been dealing with it a long
34:32
time .
34:34
Absolutely , and I can
34:36
100% relate , and I know
34:38
so many of my clients can too . The
34:41
letting go of control is so
34:44
difficult . We want
34:46
to be in control of our
34:48
time , of our outcomes
34:50
, all of the things , and so
34:52
surrendering
34:54
that to God is difficult
34:57
. And another
35:00
question that I think can come up , because , calerics
35:02
, it's like well , we can , we
35:04
think in our brains we can fit it all in , but we really can't
35:07
. So how do we know what
35:09
we're fitting in and what we can't fit in ? Because trying
35:11
to fit in all of the prayer and all of the exercise
35:14
and all of the healthy eating which does take
35:16
some planning initially to learn how to eat
35:18
that way when do we
35:20
start ? Because even
35:23
though we think we can fit it all in and be perfect
35:25
at it , we're going to burn ourselves out trying to do it . Where
35:27
do we start ?
35:29
Yeah . So I have a tool
35:31
that I love to use with my clients
35:33
and I actually offer for free called
35:35
the Habits Planner , and
35:38
it includes an ideal
35:40
week spread and also
35:42
tabs for figuring
35:44
out which habits you actually are trying
35:46
to develop , and then also a tab for
35:48
figuring out and building your routines , because
35:51
I think the more routines we have in our lives
35:53
, the more we can habit stack , the more efficient
35:55
we can be Law , efficiency
35:57
and productivity , just like
35:59
the next type A person would . But
36:02
I also think that what that helps us visualize
36:05
on a grid is this
36:07
is it . This is the time
36:10
that I have , and I
36:12
know I want to do everything , and
36:14
I wanted to have done everything yesterday
36:17
. I want it to be all done , but
36:19
if this is what I got , this is all
36:21
I have to work with , then it's
36:24
a great blessing to recognize I
36:27
can't do everything
36:29
. So therefore , I must
36:32
choose to only do what's
36:34
important , and then it forces you
36:37
to like sieve
36:39
out now what's important , what's
36:41
really important . And so , when it comes
36:44
to things like building healthy habits
36:46
or even building your prayer
36:48
practices , well , first of all , I
36:50
would say , for prayer practice , that's
36:53
always discernment with the Lord , because
36:55
he knows what's going to be best for you and , in
36:57
your current season of light , what's
36:59
going to help draw you closer to himself . Because
37:02
that's the point of prayer is relationship
37:04
, and so it's not so much can
37:06
you do every novena , ever Can you
37:08
do every litany that's ever been written
37:11
. It's really more like Lord
37:13
. What are you asking me to do right
37:15
now , in this season , and
37:18
let him guide those prayer practices
37:20
. But you bring that same prudence
37:23
and that same discernment to
37:25
deciding what your healthy habits are as
37:27
well , like your lifestyle habit , like
37:29
how much exercise do you really
37:31
need ? And when it comes
37:33
to things like this , I really like to think about what
37:35
are the high impact habits , and so I
37:37
often work with my clients on what
37:40
are the habits that are going to take
37:42
the least investment of your time
37:44
and effort and have the highest return
37:46
on investment . What are those high impact
37:49
habits that you can streamline
37:51
and build into your life in a system
37:54
so that it becomes like
37:56
it's on autopilot . You're not thinking about
37:58
it all the time , it's just running
38:01
in the background of your life and it
38:03
doesn't take a lot of your time or energy . That's
38:05
the goal of healthy
38:07
lifestyle habits . They should not take over your
38:09
life . They should just be humming
38:11
along in the background , enabling you to
38:13
do what you're really here to do
38:15
.
38:16
Absolutely . And I heard you say you
38:19
know , focus on one thing what is the
38:21
highest priority , and that the
38:23
scripture verse came to mind . You know only one thing is
38:25
necessary , and the one thing
38:28
that is necessary is our relationship with God
38:30
. It is that prayer time . But I
38:32
also heard you talk earlier Sometimes we're
38:34
not there yet . You said
38:36
that you had to start with your physical health , which
38:38
led to your mental health , which then led
38:41
to you being able to go to God and pray , and
38:43
I think that's where coaching really is
38:45
so invaluable is
38:48
because so many people are not at the point
38:50
where they can sit and have quiet prayer time
38:52
. We know it's important , but
38:55
it's not a priority right now because
38:57
we're not able to do it . And
38:59
we're not able to do it because we
39:01
don't know how to clear all the other clutter out
39:03
, whether it's the physical health , whether it's all
39:06
of the mental chaos that's going on
39:08
our relationships and our families
39:10
, all of those other things . And
39:17
when we're able to work with a coach and clear up a lot of those things and get to the root
39:19
of the problem so it's no longer an issue , then we're able to really hear
39:22
the Lord .
39:23
Yeah , and I think that it's
39:26
really common too , especially for
39:28
moms . You might have your
39:30
prayer time set aside , but if
39:32
you are not
39:34
sleeping and you're not eating well , or
39:37
you're drinking happily or you're doing any of these
39:39
other things that I mentioned , you
39:42
will probably come to a time of prayer
39:44
and just sit there and
39:46
either be angry and resentful
39:48
with the Lord because you're so tired you can't even
39:50
think clearly , or you'll think , oh , I'm
39:53
in such a time of desolation
39:55
and you're not . You're not in a time of desolation
39:57
, you're sleeping , you're just tired . It's different
40:00
. You're just tired , you just need a nap . It's
40:02
a different , different . Yeah
40:04
, that is so true , absolutely
40:06
okay .
40:08
I kind of want to circle back around to where
40:10
we started . You talked
40:12
about knowing this
40:14
. Is it going from one thing to the next thing
40:16
? So you were currently working
40:19
on your master's I believe in chemistry and then
40:21
you decided no , I'm
40:23
going to be a quitter , which is really hard for
40:25
clerics to do . I'm going to be a quitter and
40:27
I'm going to do this other
40:30
thing . How did you know when it
40:32
was time to just leave that life behind
40:34
and start out on something new ?
40:37
Well , for a little while I didn't quit
40:39
because , again choleric I
40:41
had just pulled an A in physical chemistry
40:43
and I was super proud of myself I
40:46
am not dropping out of this master's in chemistry
40:48
because I had decided , without
40:50
consulting the Lord , that I was going to
40:52
be a chemistry teacher . And so this is
40:55
what I was doing , because
40:57
I knew I loved teaching and I knew I loved
40:59
science and I knew I loved the mechanisms
41:01
of the body and how things worked . So I
41:03
thought , sure , why not ? I'm like
41:06
well , like it's hard , I can do this . So
41:08
I love hard things , like many
41:11
cholerics . So I was going to do the hardest
41:13
thing I could think of , and that was why
41:15
not pursue this degree in chemistry
41:18
. And I actually
41:20
continued working on that degree
41:22
while I was forming a thriving Catholic
41:25
and while I was building out
41:27
and starting my business . I was actually
41:29
doing both . And I finally
41:32
reached this point where I had to make
41:34
a decision about just
41:36
knowing like I couldn't do everything
41:38
, knowing that my time and my resources
41:41
were limited . I had to just really
41:43
be real with myself and say , okay , is
41:46
this something I'm ever going to pursue
41:48
or want to do , or am I willing
41:50
to go all in on this new venture and
41:52
all in on this whole new coaching thing
41:54
that I didn't know existed before
41:57
, and it's
41:59
been one of the best decisions
42:01
I've ever made , because
42:04
I see now how
42:08
perfectly equipped the
42:10
Lord has really prepared me
42:12
for everything that I would do in
42:14
my business and as an entrepreneur and
42:16
in the work that I'm doing now , whereas
42:19
if I I was just thinking this
42:22
morning , I was in
42:24
my kitchen and I was just thinking what would my life
42:26
be like if I was a chemistry
42:28
teacher right now ? And I thought , if
42:31
I was a chemistry teacher right now , and I thought , oh , I'd be so bored
42:33
, I'd be doing the same thing all the time
42:36
. And so , yeah , it is a hard
42:38
thing for a choleric , especially
42:45
because my first thought was , oh , people are going to think this was too hard for
42:47
me . This wasn't too hard for me , I could totally do this , but it was a decision
42:50
. It was a decision based on limited
42:52
time and resources and what
42:54
was really going to be the most fulfilling
42:57
thing that I could possibly do with
42:59
my life . And I think that's
43:01
the exciting thing about handing
43:04
over control to the Lord
43:06
, because not
43:08
only does he know us better than we know ourselves
43:11
. He also has so much better dreams
43:13
for us than we have for ourselves . I
43:16
was willing to settle for something so much less
43:18
than what the Lord had in store for me
43:25
to
43:27
know and come to trust
43:30
how good the Lord is
43:32
and how his
43:34
plans far exceed my plans
43:37
. So , yeah , I am a grad
43:39
school dropout and I can tell you a
43:41
lot about chemistry , but
43:44
I am happily not
43:46
a chemistry teacher .
43:47
Now , yeah , and really quick , because we've talked about choleric a lot . So for anyone who
43:49
is tuning in for the first time or who hasn't
43:51
heard me talk about the temperaments , even though I speak
43:54
about them a lot , choleric is
43:56
someone who is quick to react to
43:58
a stimuli and , as you can tell
44:00
, these are often people who are in leadership positions
44:03
. They really like to be in control
44:05
, they like to be efficient and get things
44:07
done . So that's a really
44:09
quick synopsis of cholerics
44:11
. St Paul
44:13
was a cleric . If you need a reference I want to go back
44:15
to . You said we do
44:17
the hardest thing , and for
44:20
clerics it's easy to do the hardest thing . But I would
44:22
almost add to that or maybe if you're
44:24
a cleric , you can take this question
44:26
to prayer Are we doing the hardest thing
44:28
? That is still in our control , because
44:31
we like to do hard things physical
44:33
, at least for me , I know . Like physically
44:36
hard , that doesn't sway me from doing
44:38
it . If it's mentally hard
44:40
, that doesn't keep me from doing it . But
44:43
sometimes the harder thing is to do less
44:45
. Sometimes the harder thing is to not
44:47
do anything at all and
44:49
to just sit and to
44:52
wait . And so
44:54
I would just if you're a cleric , maybe take
44:56
that to prayer . Okay
44:59
, before we wrap up , I
45:02
would love to talk about , as we are exiting
45:04
Lent , what happens
45:06
next . So , even those who went through
45:08
your program or anyone who was just finishing
45:11
up their Lenten commitments how do
45:13
we move forward in this next
45:15
liturgical season and not
45:18
lose all of the things that we've established
45:20
so far ?
45:20
all of the things that we've established so far ? Yeah , such
45:22
a great question . Well , like I
45:24
said , the
45:30
purpose of Missy O'Prater and the purpose of Lent in and of itself whether you
45:32
did the challenge or didn't is to become more
45:34
fit , more capable , more ready
45:37
for what the Lord has in store for you . So Lent
45:39
, this 40-day period , we know
45:41
, is a time of preparation , but
45:44
what are you prepared for ? And
45:46
so I really love
45:48
for people , as they're leaving Lent , to
45:50
just reflect on what is
45:52
my mission , what is it that
45:54
the Lord is calling me to
45:57
do ? And so that's why
45:59
, for my clients , I open
46:02
up enrollment for my group
46:04
coaching program , mission Driven Peak Performance
46:07
, which is where I help very
46:09
driven , very motivated people who
46:11
feel like the Lord is calling them to a big
46:13
mission , to be able
46:15
to embrace
46:18
these habits of body , mind
46:20
and soul and really take them to the next
46:22
level . It's about peak performance . It's
46:25
about being at your absolute best
46:27
so that you can perform your
46:29
best in whatever the mission is that
46:31
the Lord has called you to . So I
46:34
love it . I love it so much . This is
46:36
my third cohort running it coming up
46:38
, and it's just my favorite
46:40
thing I do .
46:42
That's amazing , and I have
46:44
even I know you had a download
46:46
at one point where you have even mapped
46:49
it down . I mean , you talk about systems and
46:51
the science behind what you do to
46:53
where , like which tasks you should
46:55
be doing with your cycle . Is
46:58
that ? Yeah , that was you right , okay .
47:01
Yeah , that's actually and that's something that I
47:03
have a month on . In Mission Driven Repeat Performance
47:05
, we talk about optimizing your hormonal
47:08
health and syncing things to
47:10
your menstrual cycle . So this is like the
47:12
more advanced level . So if you wanted to think about
47:14
, like the Monsieur Prada Lenten Challenge
47:16
as kind of basic , which
47:18
for some people they're like what ? That was basic
47:21
, well , basic , well , that was basic
47:23
. But when you come into mission driven peak performance
47:25
, we're going to be talking about things like your
47:27
gut microbiome and how
47:29
do we now optimize and
47:31
strive for better brain health ? What
47:33
are we going to be doing for your hormone health ? Like these
47:35
more advanced , I would
47:37
say , topics of performance
47:40
and peak performance . But we don't just do physical
47:42
habits . It's very , very
47:44
rooted in the mental
47:46
and spiritual habits as well Habits
47:49
of productivity , habits of
47:51
time management , habits of setting
47:53
boundaries , leaning into your strengths
47:55
and your unique
47:58
composition as a human being
48:00
. So that's all things that we do in
48:02
mission-driven peak performance . But we also really
48:05
focus on , with everything
48:07
we're doing , keeping our eyes fixed on Christ
48:09
. So deep prayer is
48:12
the most important thing and , in
48:14
fact , the guiding image for me for
48:16
mission-driven peak performance is the
48:18
parable of the sower , when Jesus talked
48:20
about the seed that fell amongst
48:23
the thorns and it sprang
48:25
up and it was growing , but it was choked out
48:27
by worldly concerns
48:30
and anxiety and the lure of riches . And
48:32
I think , for many of my clients
48:34
who are so mission driven , they want
48:37
to bear fruit for the Lord , they want
48:39
to spring up and bear fruit , but
48:41
they're worried about their businesses
48:43
, they're worried about money , they're worried about all
48:46
of the earthly concerns . And
48:48
so mission-driven peak performance is
48:50
really about how do we
48:52
cultivate the soil around
48:54
you so that you are a thriving
48:57
, flourishing plant that
48:59
is bearing fruit for the Lord , with his
49:01
strength flowing through you and bearing that
49:03
fruit . And so that's kind of the mental image
49:06
I always have in mind when I think about this program
49:08
and what we're hoping to do with it
49:10
, because I think that
49:13
it is those
49:15
type A driven people who
49:17
have been called by the Lord to a mission
49:19
who are most at risk of
49:22
letting it get choked out by thorns
49:24
and wheeze and the anxieties
49:26
of life . So I think about
49:28
it as helping you become burnout proof , helping
49:30
you increase your capacity
49:33
for excellence in body
49:35
, mind and soul so that you can long-term
49:37
keep doing the work that God's given you to do
49:40
.
49:41
Absolutely All right . I would love
49:43
to end with the scripture verse that you
49:45
gave me . I always end
49:47
guest calls with either a prayer tip
49:49
or a scripture verse , and why you
49:51
think every woman should know the scripture verse
49:53
. So you gave me Ephesians 3
49:56
, 20 . All glory to God
49:58
, who is able , through his mighty power
50:00
at work within us , to accomplish
50:02
infinitely more than we might
50:04
ask or think . Why
50:07
do you love this verse ?
50:09
Well , I think for me the word accomplish
50:12
is just so sparkly and exciting
50:14
because , again , I love to accomplish
50:16
things . Love
50:25
this verse because all the glory goes to God , who is the one who's accomplishing , in and through
50:27
us , so much more than we could even imagine , so
50:29
much more than we could even ask or think
50:31
, so I just love
50:34
it . I think that's the path to absolutely
50:37
accomplishing the most
50:39
we can possibly do in our lives .
50:42
Thank you so much for being here , jessica . I just want
50:44
to acknowledge the work that you are doing . I think it is so
50:46
incredible how
50:49
you have looked at the whole
50:51
human person the body and
50:53
soul , and are helping
50:56
those who have
50:58
been created by God as
51:00
natural doers . We want to do things
51:02
and we want to do them with excellence
51:04
. And helping women
51:06
like that lean into
51:08
the gifts that God has given them rather than
51:10
resisting them or feeling like something is
51:12
wrong , and not losing
51:15
those gifts , as you mentioned earlier
51:17
, worrying that our gifts are not being utilized . You're helping
51:20
them to really utilize those gifts in
51:22
the way that they were created to
51:24
be used . So thank you so much for
51:26
all that you are doing , all of the
51:28
wonderful coaching that you are offering the
51:31
world . Thank you all for joining in once
51:33
again . As we wrap up here today , I just want to invite
51:35
anyone who is looking to do more in their
51:37
life , with more hope and clarity and
51:40
less overwhelm and worry , to
51:42
send an email to info at kyleeimheincom
51:45
, to connect with me directly and
51:47
figure out a plan that is best for you
51:49
and your state of life .
51:52
Thank you so much for listening to this episode
51:54
. I really hope that you were able to get something
51:56
out of it . Please do consider leaving
51:58
a rating and review . I'll be back next
52:00
week with another episode . Bye
52:03
for now .
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