In the final episode of Everybody Knows, Ruby Jones unpacks what she’s learnt about the rise and fall of MeToo in Australia, and why holding perpetrators accountable still feels so hard.

To help answer that question, Ruby speaks to two people who have thought deeply about the problems in the music industry.

The first is Dorothy Carvello. She worked for major labels in the US, and is now blowing the whistle on decades of abuse in the industry.

The second is Deena Lynch, also known as Jaguar Jonze. She’s an Australian musician who went public about being sexually assaulted a few months ago.

Together, the three of them explore what the cost is of speaking out, and whether it's worth it. And what real, genuine, accountability might look like in the music industry and beyond.

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