0:10

hello you

0:13

all right . I love how every

0:15

week , it's a surprise that we've just started when

0:17

we well , because I'm never quite sure .

0:19

Sometimes you say things . I'm not sure if you're testing the mic or

0:21

if you're like talking to me .

0:22

So you know . So after

0:25

we go three , two , one , and then I go

0:27

hello . You're not sure if that's the start yeah , I'm not sure , not

0:29

100 .

0:30

I know what happens fuck me , man .

0:31

This is what I'm dealing with every week . Oh

0:36

my god , anyway , juan , yes , I

0:39

dread to ask , but how have you been

0:41

? What have you been up to this week ?

0:44

same old shit , john , same old shit . Mate . Nothing

0:46

changes'm over 40 . There's nothing new

0:48

in my life ? Of course there

0:50

is .

0:51

You're not sitting in a home .

0:53

No , I am sitting at home . I'm not in a home .

0:55

No , not yet .

0:56

I could be though .

0:58

I actually feel today like I could be in

1:00

a home . Like I'm aching everywhere

1:02

. I feel exhausted . I can't remember why

1:04

I'm tired in a home . Like I'm aching everywhere . I feel exhausted . I can't remember why

1:06

I'm tired , so it's um , I don't know why I'm this tired . I haven't done

1:08

that much , so you've been down the sauna

1:11

again . Uh , been down the sauna ? Yeah

1:13

, I can't sit down . It's one of those

1:15

one of those things how

1:18

about you .

1:18

How's your week been ? You started a new job

1:20

, didn't you ? I did start a new job , um

1:22

, yeah , anyway , moving on . So

1:25

the I've

1:27

got a full glass of wine tonight to take

1:29

the edge off . I thought do you know what ?

1:30

I saw that and I thought it was like ribena or

1:32

something , but it's actually wine .

1:35

It tastes like ribena so I've gone for rose you

1:37

fucking loser rose

1:39

of all the things to drink .

1:40

what's wrong with what's ?

1:42

wrong with that ?

1:43

What's wrong with rosé ? Yeah , you

1:49

drink Southern Comfort . I haven't drunk . Do you know what ? I haven't

1:51

drunk Southern Comfort in about 20

1:53

years ? I do like it . I might actually get some .

1:57

No , it's an Aldi special pink Moscato

1:59

and it's one of the sweeter ones .

2:01

So it is like Ribena , but there we go .

2:03

Anyway , exciting news . Last

2:05

week we had our first ever guest on David

2:07

Christopher Brown of West End Stardom and

2:09

YouTube Stardom Absolutely . And this

2:11

week we've got our second guest

2:13

on .

2:14

I know we're on a roll .

2:15

We are on a roll . So

2:17

, yes , we have a very

2:20

special guest today . He is a star

2:22

of stage and screen he

2:25

will be a star of stage and screen , but

2:27

uh is a founder . And

2:29

uh , what do you call yourself ? Uh

2:31

, creator , founder , the creator

2:33

, the creator and founder . That's good yeah

2:36

, creator and founder of a very

2:39

successful daily blog and

2:41

various social media platforms

2:43

and sources of information , which

2:45

we won't give it away just yet , but it's

2:48

very impressive . Juan , do you want to do the honours and give

2:50

the big introduction ? Make you do some work this week ?

2:52

Sure , why not ? Ladies and gentlemen

2:55

, for your listening pleasure we have

2:57

Ross Williams

2:59

from the Daily

3:02

Jaws .

3:15

Hi Ross welcome

3:20

, thank

3:33

you . Thank you , nice to be here , guys . How are you doing

3:35

, alright ?

3:36

yeah , I'm good . Yeah , it's nice to have some

3:38

extra people . You know a bit of bants .

3:40

Yeah , it's nice to take the edge off from Juan for a

3:42

little bit , isn't it ? I guess he must get pretty fed up with him .

3:46

Well , it's just nice to have someone who's got some answers

3:49

.

3:49

Who wants to bother to speak ? You know , yeah , yeah , fuck you . Sorry , my cough's

3:51

coming back , you've already you've

3:54

already smiled three times .

3:55

That's unusual . That's freaking me right

3:57

out what me or

3:59

ross ? No ross oh , ross

4:02

yeah hey , am smiling .

4:03

I smile a lot , just , you know , just not

4:06

on this podcast , just not on the podcast . Just

4:08

not with people who know me . When everyone disappears , then by

4:10

myself I'm full of grins .

4:12

Yeah , because you're just looking in the mirror going oh

4:15

, I'm a legend , oh what a legend .

4:16

I know what

4:19

a legend me when I'm doing this , because otherwise I

4:22

get caught up in my own reflection , thinking what legend

4:24

, yeah , yeah exactly , yeah , it's

4:26

the the shine off the light .

4:27

Just it's just I know

4:30

.

4:30

Well , that's what it's there for .

4:31

Put everyone off oh

4:33

, mate , talking of that , well , as we're very

4:35

real on this , this

4:37

part , and we're talking about my new job , so we're

4:39

very real on the podcast . The hair situation

4:42

, mate , is getting out of hand now . It's

4:44

, it's so this there's loads

4:47

of rules in this new job and

4:49

there's really sort of quite uh

4:52

conflicting shall we say

4:54

uniform policies . Uh

4:57

, so you can wear jeans , but they can't be ripped

4:59

. You can wear trainers , but you can't wear

5:01

a hat of any description . You

5:04

can wear trainers , but you can't wear a hat of any description

5:06

. You can wear a T-shirt but not a cropped one . You can wear

5:08

shorts , but not short ones . That's your whole wardrobe , isn't ?

5:09

it yeah . So I go in for a day with a little

5:11

flat cap on going hello everyone .

5:13

You know anyone want a newspaper and

5:19

, yeah , I can't wear a cap , so I've got to go in there full , fucking

5:21

balding , thinning , you

5:26

know , patent boldness on the way . And so this morning I'm thinking right . So I did the shower

5:28

and I did the hairspray in this and I got it where I wanted

5:31

it . And then I got that spray out from oh yeah

5:33

, yeah , amazing , I'd give it a go over

5:35

. And I walked into the kitchen and said to my missus do

5:37

you have a quick look ? And , by the way , I'm really like late by

5:39

this point . You know , on the wire , have

5:42

a look at the back of my head , on the top . You know , can you

5:44

tell that I was praying that ? And her

5:46

reaction she's normally quite yeah , you'd be

5:48

fine . She went yeah , yeah , you can

5:50

. There's like there's a complete like there's

5:52

, there's like normal skin , and then there's just

5:55

this big dark patch one bit . And then there's this

5:57

. But and I looked again , I was like , oh my god

5:59

, it just looks awful like I've colored

6:01

my head in with fucking felt tipples

6:03

on it . So I had to go back and re-wash

6:05

it , re-style it and then

6:07

just suck it up .

6:08

Shave it off , shave it off . I'm telling you , I

6:10

went through years of this stuff . I

6:13

think at the moment .

6:13

If I go shorter it'll be a little

6:16

bit better .

6:16

But yeah , the back now it's kind of the

6:18

double crown going into the boldness but

6:27

it's actually going into the boldness , but it's actually going down the back on the right now in almost into the back of the head a bit and I'm . It's a good

6:29

look . You should draw a picture on it like a face of something . Just a message every day for people

6:31

looking .

6:31

I tell you what it looks like . I don't know if you've ever seen the symbol for patreon

6:34

. It looks like that .

6:36

They're like bubble p right backwards

6:39

oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , I look good , you should

6:41

draw that in , then maybe people , people will join it .

6:42

Yeah , I should , yeah , maybe , yeah , well , we'll have to finish

6:45

one off .

6:46

Tattoo 40 plus and minuses on it . Yeah

6:48

, great advertising .

6:50

I'll do that once you put a post on Instagram with

6:52

the logo .

6:53

yeah , Of course I will , I

6:55

will do that later , Of course you will .

6:56

yeah , yeah .

6:57

Well , mate , all 28 people goes on

6:59

there . Yeah , but you've

7:01

got to start engaging ?

7:02

listen , we'll find out in a minute . But ross will tell you you've got to

7:04

start engaging with them and you know getting commenting

7:07

useful things and you know and

7:09

I only know this because I've researched it in the last few

7:11

weeks- I've

7:14

got nothing , yeah , but I have to be careful what I say

7:16

on instagram .

7:16

That's the difficulty .

7:17

Like I don't really have a great filter , you're trying

7:19

to you're trying to do it , you know to attract people , listen

7:21

to the podcast . So my advice to you is do

7:24

not let one promote anything at any

7:26

time in any way .

7:27

Yeah , yeah , exactly , just I can't ever give

7:29

my opinion , not the real one . Yeah

7:31

exactly you do on here .

7:32

Yes , I do , yeah , but you know it's

7:38

different and you

7:40

actually't hide in obscurity . Going well , it doesn't

7:43

matter , because no one listens to this podcast , but you want people to

7:45

listen to it .

7:46

It's fine , we'll sort it . It'll be good , I'll

7:48

hand out flyers or something .

7:51

One fully expects us to be number one on the Apple podcast

7:53

list next year . This year

7:55

, In what category ? Well

7:58

, there isn't going to be a category for it . Is there the

8:01

top most unknown , unlistened to podcast

8:03

ever .

8:03

Yeah , podcasts , no one listens to . Top

8:05

again Podcasts with no

8:07

social media .

8:09

Number one Podcast

8:14

you've never heard of .

8:15

More episodes than listens .

8:19

Yeah , honestly , we're

8:21

about two episodes away from probably having more episodes

8:23

per listeners .

8:26

I've given up .

8:27

Honestly , we're about two episodes , away from probably

8:29

having more episodes per listeners . Anyway , listen , let's get on to more important

8:31

things . Let's find out who is

8:33

Ross Williams . Let's go back to the origin

8:35

story of Ross Williams . Tell us all about it

8:37

.

8:38

Well , I came out like most

8:40

people . Yeah , I came out of

8:42

my mother's vagina like most people

8:45

. So did I . It's

8:47

all just been kind of downhill since then . Really

8:49

, let me see God

8:51

. So at the moment I

8:59

came out of the womb and the Jules theme was playing , and

9:01

it was just destiny for me .

9:04

Why does a vagina have teeth ?

9:05

I don't know You'd have to ask my

9:07

dad . Oh yeah .

9:10

He won't return my calls . I don't know what's going on with that

9:12

.

9:13

It's got no tongue . It got bitten off .

9:15

Anyway , I know , I know .

9:22

Absolutely shocking .

9:23

Anyway , I laughed so

9:25

hard then I almost fainted . That's

9:29

quite funny .

9:30

That's not a good sign , is it ?

9:35

Very much on the minus side of the 40 plus and minuses God

9:37

. So where do I even start ? Okay , so basically for the last

9:39

two years .

9:40

Well , here's where you start .

9:41

How old are you ? Oh , okay . Okay

9:43

sorry , I am 44

9:45

.

9:46

Yeah , here's where you start . How old are you ? Oh , okay , okay , I

9:48

am 44 . Yeah , disqualification for the

9:50

fact .

9:51

You're on the right podcast . That's all . But now go back to the beginning . Yes , yes , oh

9:53

, I was born at a very early age

9:55

and basically for

9:57

the last what two years , I've

9:59

been full time running my

10:02

blog , which is the Daily Jaws , which

10:05

officially started about eight

10:07

and a half years ago . It's about , um , dentists

10:09

and

10:11

jaw surgery . No , it's about my

10:13

favorite movie , right ? Um , yeah , the steven

10:15

spielberg shark classic jaws

10:17

. Um , it's always been my favorite movie

10:20

when I was about five and

10:23

um , effectively

10:25

about , let me see , it was in may

10:29

2015 , um , I

10:31

was . It was about a month before

10:33

the 40th anniversary of jaws

10:36

and I was looking online for something

10:38

to follow , something exciting that would tell me about

10:40

the movie , news , events

10:42

, products , whatever , just something

10:44

. And there was nothing out there at all . Like , there

10:46

was a few jaws pages and stuff on facebook

10:48

. It was just the usual wikipedia

10:50

, yeah , and wikipedia . You know that absolutely

10:53

excellent source of information

10:56

, information , absolutely , totally . It's my

10:58

go-to um and

11:00

basically what it is . I thought you know what . I'm gonna try

11:03

and do something , because you know why

11:05

not ? So I set up this instagram account and I called it the daily

11:07

jaws , and the goal was to try to post something about

11:09

jaws every day on instagram for a month

11:11

, just basically trying to raise awareness

11:14

of this 40th anniversary and within about

11:16

before you carry on , can you just explain to one what

11:18

that is posting on instagram every day for a month

11:21

? yeah , so okay , so basically one . There's this

11:23

amazing thing . I don't know if you've heard of it , it's called the internet

11:25

.

11:26

So I'll say it's the internet and

11:29

what it does .

11:29

It allows you to communicate with

11:31

people yes , it's just lots of

11:33

nets intertwining together in

11:36

a digital way , and what it does

11:38

is it allows you to communicate

11:40

with people , believe it or not something you communicate with people , believe

11:42

it or not , something .

11:43

It's just like I remember something a few years ago that call like the information

11:46

super highway . Is that something

11:48

?

11:48

to do with yeah very similar .

11:49

Yeah , wow , very similar yeah , right

11:51

, and , and , and there's this other . There's this thing within

11:53

the internet called instagram

11:55

and that started off as a photograph

11:58

thing where you would post uh to

12:00

he's already on the internet

12:02

are yous don't exist

12:04

of me , so this would be difficult . Are

12:07

you following this one ? Are you keeping up ?

12:09

I am keeping up . It's good , this is new information

12:11

.

12:12

So you post photographs to Instagram with

12:15

maybe a little bit of an explanation , and I'm not

12:17

going to bore you with the technical things around hashtags

12:19

, because I don't

12:21

want to go too fast .

12:24

It's all just actually clicked into place for me , though

12:26

, because I'm knocking Juan , but now I'm thinking hang on , it's

12:28

social media , it's photos

12:31

, it's explaining himself . Three

12:33

things Juan does not do . No , exactly

12:36

.

12:37

There's no wonder I'm expecting

12:39

far too much .

12:40

What am I doing ?

12:42

It's like Juan's worst nightmare , isn't it ? Yeah

12:44

, it basically is the internet having to be sociable

12:46

on a technical platform ? I can't do that

12:48

. I mean I can already see he's already sweating

12:51

already . Can you see him ? He's already just like he's shaking

12:54

.

12:54

It's like me knowing all the names of the vegetables and attending

12:57

the gym . It's just not going to happen .

13:00

So this is what we call the bench press

13:02

. Yeah , yeah , just have

13:04

a little bit of a freak out there like trauma

13:07

. Where was I ? I was rubbing on about

13:09

somewhere , so yeah . So we did this Instagram

13:11

thing for about a month and we were talking about the movie

13:13

we're talking about sharks and behind the scenes and stuff

13:15

and it got a lot of attention . It got a lot of traction

13:17

. Within a few weeks , I think we had some like three

13:19

4,000 followers and , um , my

13:22

goal was basically to just stop after

13:24

the 40th anniversary happened . But people were like you have to keep going

13:26

. It's really cool . And I'm like , okay , cool . So

13:28

, um , we kept going and then we

13:30

went out onto facebook , we went on to uh

13:33

tiktok , we went on to twitter . We're on threads

13:35

. We've also got a youtube channel and we tie it all

13:37

together with a website and we do a daily

13:39

blog which is either in the form of a news

13:42

article , a blog which

13:44

is kind of like a story or whatever , or something that maybe

13:46

the fans have written about their love for the movie , something

13:48

like that , and it just keeps going and going

13:50

and going . A bigger , bigger , bigger and we've just kept it going and

13:52

in about 17 months time

13:55

is the 50th anniversary of the movie

13:57

, so there's a huge amount of activity

13:59

around the movie , which is great . I can't talk

14:01

about it too much because there's a lot of unknowns

14:07

and all that kind of stuff and there's a lot of rumors and I don't want

14:09

to start something . I actually started in a room accidentally about a jaws remake and I didn't realize

14:12

I've done it . Um , basically , I posted a , I posted a mock-up

14:14

concept art of jaws coming in 2022

14:16

or whatever it was like a few years ago and

14:19

the internet blew up . Oh , my god , the daily jaws has said

14:21

that there's a new remake . I'm like no , no , no , this is concept

14:23

art . I even read it in the cat , I even said it in the caption , but

14:26

you guys have just latched onto this as an amazing story . So

14:28

that's where we start to realize , actually , you know what we're

14:31

kind of like a voice in the movie making

14:33

and fandom world and also , to

14:35

a point , shark conservation

14:37

as well . So we've got to be really careful what we say . Um

14:40

, so that's like us yeah

14:43

, exactly just like you guys .

14:45

Just like you guys absolutely do

14:47

you know how last week , when you were like a little bit bitter

14:49

and making comments to dave about being in the western

14:51

dressing room , yeah kind of feeling . My

14:53

, I'm having my turn this week . He's there like yeah , in a few weeks

14:55

you had about 5 000 followers and never got an answer on the

14:57

website . I'm sitting there going fucking

15:00

hell . I mean , I've literally like done my

15:02

best and I maybe get like

15:04

a view and a like from instagram

15:06

, and it's just like unbelievable . And you did

15:08

on your own as well . So initially , didn't you ?

15:10

yeah , yeah , for about a year . For about a year , I

15:12

think it was just me , um , and then did you know

15:14

social media and stuff beforehand ?

15:16

was that your background or was it ?

15:18

no , I mean before so

15:20

before yes , no , well , I've

15:22

had to kind of learn it because basically what's

15:24

happened is , uh , I the only

15:26

thing I kind of had in terms of social media was a

15:29

? Um was a facebook account for my personal

15:31

stuff , you know , just like keeping stuff from friends and family

15:33

and all that sort of shit , and just post stuff to annoy people

15:35

. And then I did the jaw stuff

15:37

and then I kind of found myself having to learn

15:40

more about it because I just want to

15:42

try and keep it interesting for my followers and what

15:44

the different ways you can use the platforms , all that kind of

15:46

stuff , um , and I've got to a point now where

15:48

I know I understand not just how to post

15:50

, but also what to post , when to post , how to optimize

15:52

it , how to make sure the reach is as much

15:55

as possible , and also how to gain traction through

15:57

consistency and things like that .

15:59

Um , and also a bit about what I thought about working on

16:01

a podcast about being in your 40s

16:04

if I had the time

16:06

, I absolutely wouldn't know well

16:09

, I suppose that's the thing , though , because you had a you . The

16:11

beauty of your , your um venture

16:14

is you had a ready-made 30

16:17

, 40 year audience of people that had an interest

16:19

in that subject , and it's very , very niche . It's

16:21

like here's a movie that you all love

16:23

. There's nothing out there , whereas we're

16:25

like we're even we're niche

16:27

in a different way , and actually it's kind of , you

16:30

know , we're comedy , podcasts and stuff , but it's not like we're

16:32

. We're like a how-to or a

16:34

or a . You know , here's a look at like stuff

16:36

you already know about . We're just talking about ourselves and

16:39

our experiences and having a laugh , which you

16:41

know people enjoy listening to , but it's not

16:43

it's it's hard to place that but

16:46

it's hard to place that and hashtags and stuff . You're

16:48

like I'm putting all these different hashtags . I'm thinking is

16:50

anyone gonna ever ? You know they're that the hashtags

16:52

that are already there . But you know most

16:54

, most of the things that are around 40 plus online

16:57

on podcasts are all to do with fitness or health

16:59

or or fashion yeah

17:02

, yeah , and the thing is that the thing is

17:04

, and that's what we kind of , which we are none of- In

17:10

any way , shape or form . Apart from you

17:12

with the fitness maybe .

17:13

I'm the fitness but I won't be blogging about it , obviously

17:16

.

17:19

But it's a good point , though it's like you know , you've got to

17:21

kind of start somewhere and we had the benefit

17:23

of momentum and a really well known subject

17:26

that no one was really talking about , and we just found it interesting

17:28

to talk about it , whereas you guys are like

17:30

the gateway into the world of you know , the

17:33

over 40s and that world is . I

17:36

wouldn't go that far , well , maybe

17:38

we're not losers

17:41

?

17:42

no , absolutely not we don't

17:44

think so my

17:46

28 .

17:46

Instagram followers are like fucking they're

17:49

loving it .

17:49

I wonder if it's . I wonder if it's all of your

17:51

Instagram . This might be the flip here . I might

17:53

be giving him shit but , like , all of his 28

17:55

followers are the only people that listen to our podcast that could

17:58

be it .

17:58

I could . Yeah , can you imagine you might be ?

18:00

actually keeping this podcast alive with his

18:02

28 followers , and I'm doing nothing

18:04

.

18:05

Never mind listening . Everyone just fucking

18:07

hates you . I'm inoffensive

18:09

, no , but they listen

18:11

for you , John .

18:12

They mute it whenever Juan comes on , because they've

18:14

had enough of him . They follow him , but they want to hear about you . Maybe

18:16

that's what's happening .

18:21

I mean if they've had enough of me with zero

18:23

posts and zero fucking like I've had

18:25

enough and zero fucking like oh , they're enough of me . I haven't put anything on ever . While we're talking

18:27

, I want , I want to see who these 28 people are , so I'm not even looking at that yet . It's probably just

18:29

like juan in different accounts or something yeah , yeah

18:31

, I've just got .

18:32

I've got 30 different accounts and I just keep putting it

18:34

on .

18:34

He's following 10 more than following you , though , so

18:36

those 10 fuckers get rid of that . I don't know straight

18:38

away , uh , oh , so so me

18:41

and this

18:43

podcast and

18:45

my cat , your

18:47

girlfriend , my

18:50

other Facebook account , my other

18:52

thing , a cockapoo , my

18:54

missus and

18:57

then my stepdad . My

19:01

friends and family are keeping this afloat here .

19:02

Yeah , I mean , I've

19:04

got that many , so that's pretty good because a couple

19:06

of celebrities on there , or one at least , oh yes

19:09

, there is .

19:09

Yeah , there's craig revel hallward he's on there um

19:12

ross williams , he's on there yeah

19:14

, there's another one yeah , who's

19:16

who's ruby renaissance ? I don't know

19:18

, you don't know I

19:20

don't know .

19:21

Sometimes people say add me on , I'm not sure

19:23

.

19:23

Wow , she is an up pop , future

19:25

funk person oh , no idea . Fucking

19:28

clue . She's got a picture of you on there , look at

19:30

that .

19:31

Oh yeah , what a ledge .

19:34

Yeah , brilliant . And then

19:36

Hologram , Slim Shady .

19:38

No idea , I don't know who these people are

19:40

, John I don't know .

19:41

Sometimes people say add me on , I might do .

19:44

You've only got 28 followers on the internet and

19:55

this is one of them . I don't know if I can show you that picture

19:57

. Yeah , okay , who's that ? Oh , that's liz's friend .

19:58

Oh , okay , fine that makes sense , then that makes sense . I just don't know her name , just know

20:00

her face , just know her as liz's friend . Yeah

20:02

, no idea , just liz's friend um why

20:04

?

20:05

yeah , it's funny , isn't it ? I love it though but yeah

20:07

, 28 is more than none , so so that's good , that's

20:09

true .

20:11

With no posts . I'm doing all right .

20:12

I think I've crossed over to 700 and I feel like I've made

20:14

it now and that's like whoa . How

20:16

many Instagram followers have you got for the

20:18

Daily Jools ?

20:20

We've got , let me check . Oh

20:23

well , you can check .

20:31

You check because you're ahead of me . It won't be many more than mine . I don't think . I

20:33

think so , holy fuck , uh , I mean . Also , I love the fact that you're following nobody

20:35

. That's . That's depressing . Uh

20:38

, 71.8

20:40

000 people , yeah , yeah that's

20:43

all right .

20:44

I can't get that in a week if I posted

20:46

something and so let me see , I'll show you .

20:48

Let me show you something . I don't know . I'd get that in a week if I posted

20:50

something . Hang on a second . Let me see , I'll show you . Let me show you something else . I don't know

20:52

if you can see this . That's my Facebook following as well .

20:54

Is that 121,000 , yeah ?

20:56

Yeah , yeah , yeah

20:58

. So it's like , but the thing is that's taken like

21:00

nine years to build . So the reason

21:02

I'm showing you that , because it's not like an

21:05

overnight success . I mean , we do go through

21:07

growth spurts , as you do , sort of any

21:09

sort of page or whatever , but

21:12

the thing , the thing is for anybody that's listening , that's interested

21:14

in the social media type of stuff , particularly if they're

21:16

getting into the influencer

21:18

thing , which I think is a .

21:19

Really I'm sorry , but I think it's yeah

21:22

. No sit and fucking listen .

21:29

The key is consistency . The key is consistency

21:31

, and and the challenge that I set myself was I'm

21:33

fucking doomed then that's

21:37

taken nine years of consistent daily

21:39

vlogs and blogs in posts and we're like

21:41

nine years and to get to

21:43

that and we're like , literally like we're lucky

21:45

if we do one a week yeah , but that's

21:47

the thing I mean that , that's the , because

21:50

that was a challenge I set myself and it's a blessing and a curse

21:52

because it means I have to . So for me it's

21:54

an ongoing journey , which is great because

21:56

the amount I've learned about the movie is is phenomenal

21:58

. But also , people have come along for

22:00

that journey as well , and if it's something of value

22:02

that people enjoy and they like , then

22:04

it's great . So , like for anybody that is , you

22:07

know , looking to set up their own page about whatever it

22:09

is that they want , play around , play around

22:11

and experiment with , with what you're doing , figure out

22:13

what your audience responds to , but also have your

22:15

own personal interest and stuff . Oh , you know what ? Because

22:17

I remember once I posted something that I thought was going

22:19

to do brilliantly . I thought it was going to blow up the internet and

22:22

it did absolute pants . It was dog shit . Honestly

22:24

. No one gave , no one cared , no one cared at all , and I was

22:26

like oh well , it's decided hey

22:28

, no , no , there's a picture

22:30

of yours . We've really zoomed in all right . Um

22:32

, unfortunately , just from a distance , it

22:35

just didn't zoom in enough , sadly . But

22:37

it's okay , don't worry . You know that's as close as he

22:39

could get because of the smell oh fucking

22:41

hell . Wow , um , yeah , so

22:43

it's um , so yeah , I don't

22:46

know how to wash

22:48

, so it's .

22:50

I don't know how to wash it . It's not my fault , no

22:52

, you don't . I don't know

22:54

how it pulls back . I've got no idea who's this fucking like .

22:56

Who's this mental case ? You're like mocking here

22:58

, so

23:03

let's move on . I don't know how to pull it back

23:05

, though I don't . Because

23:07

that's how we all speak , we don't know how to pull it back

23:09

though .

23:10

I don't , because that's how we all speak . We fucking just go down the

23:12

pub and get your whippet mushy peas and fuck off home , jesus Christ

23:14

.

23:14

You guys are too busy inbreeding where you're from .

23:20

So what is it ?

23:21

I'm going to ask a question yeah , they're

23:24

all fucked off . Yeah

23:30

, ross . Okay question what is

23:33

it about the film Jaws

23:35

specifically Like

23:37

? What is it that makes Because I like a lot of films ? Obviously

23:40

, john likes a lot of films and have I ever liked

23:42

one film enough to

23:45

where I don't like anything ? Enough , I think , to do what you're

23:47

doing . What was it , what is it about Jaws

23:49

that made you go ? You go , do you know what ?

23:51

I want to know more and I want to let people know more yeah

23:54

, well , I first saw

23:56

it uh , late one night , my

23:58

my mom was uh

24:00

up watching tv and I couldn't sleep . So I went downstairs

24:02

and uh watched it with her , and

24:05

I think she probably thought I was gonna fall asleep , and

24:07

at that time I'd sort of been watching films that

24:09

were , like you know , really designed for kids , and I

24:11

like superman and star wars

24:13

and the wizard of oz and all that kind of stuff . You know , bright

24:15

colors , happy , yeah

24:17

, those kind of things . You know those , those classics . The

24:19

sequel is awesome . I highly recommend it . Um

24:22

, but then jaws came on

24:24

the tv and straight

24:26

away I'm like , wow , this is my first grown-up film

24:29

. The tone is very , very different . And this was

24:31

a PG . This

24:35

is a PG movie which is nuts to think about , and I was just totally

24:37

and utterly swept up in it . My imagination was

24:39

dialed up to 11 . The shark , for example

24:41

, was in my mind from minute one , from

24:43

literally minute one , even

24:46

though you don't really see it that much

24:49

. But then what happened after that is , I started to

24:51

understand more about sharks

24:54

. Like as a kid I thought , oh , maybe I'll grow up to be a shark scientist

24:56

. But then actually , you know what , I'm

24:58

just not built that way scientifically . I mean , I speak

25:00

to shark scientists probably a couple of times a week

25:02

.

25:05

I thought you were going to say I speak

25:07

to sharks . I was like what ?

25:10

God , I was a shark whisperer . Oh , we're in a different podcast here . Yeah , hang

25:12

on a sec . Um , but for me it's and the

25:14

things I didn't even really see it as

25:16

a film that I was watching . I saw it as a world I was immersed

25:19

in and characters I was going on this adventure with , and

25:21

I think very few films do that

25:23

. I mean , like , I think so we're probably going to talk about a bit

25:25

a little bit later . But you know , movies of the 70s and the 80s

25:27

definitely knew how to do that and to

25:29

agree with some of the 80s , but , as in the 90s but I

25:31

think you know modern day movies now it's

25:34

more about spectacle and effects

25:37

and getting bums on seats rather

25:39

than character and story , although there

25:41

was a lot of good filmmakers fighting that corner , um

25:44

, but I think jaws did both . It kind of did the

25:46

spectacle , it did the effects , it did the big

25:48

box office . It was the first

25:50

movie to make $100 . Sorry , $100

25:52

million . It did it in 38 days

25:54

.

25:56

I thought it was more successful than that , I know $100?

25:58

.

25:58

Oh my God , stop the press $100? .

26:01

They managed to pay the cast and crew a dollar each

26:03

.

26:04

Oh wow they

26:09

rejoiced , but it played . It played into like people's deep-seated fears anyway of being in

26:11

the water against those apex predators that you just if a shark like that wanted

26:14

you in the water and you're in there . You got no chance

26:16

really and that plays into it this

26:18

is what's interesting .

26:19

I think you're right and it's . What's interesting , though

26:21

, is adults , when they watch george for the first

26:23

time particularly around that time in the 70s and 80s

26:25

yeah , absolutely freaked them out . Kids

26:27

loved it . Kids absolutely

26:29

were just like , oh my god , like for me . When I first

26:31

watched the movie , I was there watching it for

26:33

the blood and the guts and the gore and the shark

26:35

and all that kind of stuff . But then , as I've grown up

26:37

and got older , I'm like damn , this movie's

26:39

saying a hell of a lot more than that , and like

26:42

one of the famous quotes about jaws and I don't

26:44

know who said it , but it's not about

26:46

a shark . If you think it's about a shark , you've watched

26:48

the wrong movie . You know .

26:49

It's really not um , I remember

26:51

being a youngish kid and

26:53

my mum used to uh , she

26:55

had a job cleaning a farmhouse , like a working

26:57

farm , and she'd go in and clean and on certain

27:00

fridays I would go with her and bunk

27:02

off school . Um , it's quite

27:04

awkward because the farm was just literally across the

27:06

road from my school , so sometimes I'd be driving past in

27:08

a tractor , like in the back of a tractor

27:11

, past my school , going shit , I hate your face . Um

27:13

, but they had a in one of the rooms , like

27:15

in a sort of disused dining room

27:17

. They had a , an out of tune upright piano

27:19

and I used to go in there almost every week

27:22

and be like and

27:27

then make some kind of like noise and

27:29

that was like just that theme tune as well

27:32

. It just , it's so simple but it just gets

27:34

you . You're like , because it's the , the building

27:36

, the suspense and stuff . I almost , almost don't

27:38

like that tune when it actually develops . I just wanted to

27:40

sort of carry with the suspense

27:42

mate it's a good shot and the

27:44

like .

27:45

Uh , when spielberg talks about jaws he

27:47

says the music is probably 50 percent of

27:49

the success of the film , particularly in terms of the shark

27:51

, because it gave him the shark he didn't have . Because the shark

27:53

broke down , a lot didn't really work . Um

27:56

, and when john williams , the composer of the jaws theme

27:58

, first played it to spielberg , spielberg

28:00

laughed . He was like what the hell is this ? And he goes no , no , no , listen

28:02

. And they played around with it and he was like

28:04

okay , I think I get it . And you know it was

28:06

the academy award and and you know it just shows

28:08

again . It's like a lot of these movies

28:11

now that are made sort of , particularly the modern

28:13

movies , it's like almost they go

28:15

through the motions of what jaws set up

28:17

as the template . You know they're just kind of trying to get

28:19

to the end . And some movies , you know and it's not all you

28:21

know , and be unfair , to sort of paint all movies with the same

28:23

brush , but particularly the big blockbusters

28:26

and big summer ones designed to get bums on seats , they're

28:28

almost disposable . I mean , can

28:30

you name three movies that were playing

28:32

last summer ?

28:34

big blockbusters , probably not

28:36

probably not , and I and I watch a lot

28:38

of films . I own a lot of films and

28:40

when you look at , if I look at my collection , most

28:43

of the films I stopped regularly

28:46

buying films . I know that people don't . But even

28:48

watching new films probably

28:50

I don't know five , five

28:53

to ten years ago , I still watch

28:55

them but and I still like films . But I find myself

28:58

going back to like some of the classic films . They're

29:00

just so . The scripts are better , they

29:02

don't have the special effects they don't have like , so they're just

29:04

in the same way . So they're just in the same

29:06

way . So they're just . The stories are better . Everything's more developed . The

29:08

actors have more to do , not saying they're better actors

29:10

, they've just got more story to get their team

29:12

.

29:13

But I don't think it's about . I think maybe it's

29:15

because of our age . But I think you're right . I don't have

29:17

that inspiration very often to

29:19

want to go out and go to the cinema now , because it's

29:21

kind of like , I

29:30

know film , yeah , and you think , oh god , the cgi for me now almost makes it more unrealistic

29:32

, because you know that what they've been able to create so much like fantastical

29:34

stuff that it's almost too far-fetched and actually

29:37

the old kind of like um

29:39

, the star wars , the jim henson , all that

29:41

sort of stuff , it was quite obviously

29:43

like a puppet and this and this , that , but they were in

29:45

real locations or you know studio

29:47

lots of course as well , but it kind of had

29:49

a um a

29:51

tangible a tangible thing

29:53

that you could go almost like , almost like you get

29:55

when you go to theater . You kind of suspend

29:57

disbelief and you get drawn into that world and

30:00

it's like a thing you're sharing with the performers

30:02

and like that's what I love and that's why

30:04

my films like jaws and all those old 80s and 70s films which we'll get

30:06

to they , they spark the imagination . Now they're just kind of disposable . That's what I love and that's why I like films like Jaws and all those old eighties and seventies films

30:08

which we'll get to they , they spark the imagination . Now they're just kind

30:10

of disposable , veneered , kind

30:13

of like . Just you

30:15

know what it is . You know they kept going back to films

30:17

that have messages and stuff of course not the new Barbie

30:19

film and Oppenheim and all that sort of stuff

30:22

.

30:28

But I haven't watched either yet , so I can't comment on those . I haven't watched Barbie . I'm about as inspired

30:31

to watch Barbie as I am to jump into the water near

30:33

a load of fucking sharks .

30:35

It's about women's issues which you don't give a flying

30:37

shite about .

30:39

I do care about women's issues , actually , as

30:41

long as they don't talk to me .

30:43

Wow

30:47

, I tell you what the biggest irony

30:49

of the whole . I mean I've seen both Barbie and

30:51

Oppenheimer . I actually did the Barbenheimer thing . It

30:53

was a very interesting weekend . But

30:57

the biggest irony is that

31:01

Ryan Gosling got the Oscar nomination and the

31:03

director and Margot Robbie did

31:05

it . And it's just like how

31:07

fucked up is this ? I'm like , is this ? I'm like , is this ? You know

31:09

? But actually when you watch barbie , to be honest

31:11

with you , I mean again , I've got to watch it again , but I'm

31:14

not totally convinced by maybe not

31:16

necessarily the message , but the delivery of the message , put it that way

31:18

. Um , but , to be honest

31:20

, I was going to watch it again . It would be for ryan gosling , to

31:22

be honest .

31:23

Yeah , it was , it was fantastic there is

31:25

a thing like you know . You know , with

31:28

all these films there were definitely

31:30

like we talked before people have missed out on Oscars

31:32

that should have had them . Films have missed out on Oscars Steven

31:35

Spielberg , classic , so many films that could have

31:37

been nominated , could have been given Oscars and all the rest

31:39

of it , and actors as well . You

31:41

know people vote for these things . Maybe

31:45

they do vote with an agenda , but you

31:47

kind of go . They probably do on some level

31:49

, but sometimes someone else is just better . Someone

31:52

else is just giving a better performance , a performance that people

31:54

prefer .

31:55

It's like get over yourself , but this might

31:57

be too deep for this podcast , but I thought I had

31:59

this moment the other day where I was watching these awards

32:01

I think it might have been the Golden

32:03

Globes or whatever's just been on and

32:09

there's all these actors and actresses getting up for awards and we're part of that world

32:11

and we go . Okay , great , we'd all love to win an award , I'm sure , and we

32:13

wouldn't say no to going . But I was

32:15

thinking , and they make it so politicized . They're all like

32:17

, oh , you know , this woman didn't get this and this person

32:20

didn't get that , and and I'm thinking , yeah

32:22

, nor did any of the fucking nurses or police

32:24

officers or firemen that actually do fucking

32:26

really important jobs , work their ass

32:28

off , put themselves in danger every single day . No

32:30

one gives a fuck . They're not getting awards . It's the oh

32:32

, that celebrity didn't get an award for doing a , pretended

32:35

to be someone else , and they're putting a message and it's like I

32:38

think sometimes that just shows that actually the

32:40

society they're all fucking kicking off about is a bit fucking

32:42

upside down anyway , do you ?

32:43

know what I mean .

32:44

It's like we're celebrating someone pretending to be someone

32:46

else on a screen , with all that money that's wasted on it .

32:48

But then again , that is part and parcel of it , though , isn't it Like

32:50

? If you go into , like essentially

32:52

, if you go into like any of the things we talk about nursing

32:54

fire , the rest of it you are doing ? You know

32:57

it's like a background job in a sense . It's

33:02

a bit like working backstage in a theatre . It's massively

33:04

important , but you know you're not going to get applauded and you don't

33:06

do it for that . People go into

33:08

acting and like they do get that For

33:11

me . So I'm kind of a bit more on the fence now , what I

33:13

do , what I think I do

33:15

think we do complain about the wrong things

33:17

. So when , for example , going down

33:19

like I know we're not going to get into

33:21

this , but going down like the whole

33:23

, oh it's so unfair . That ex-actor

33:26

, she only got 15 million

33:28

and the guy got 25 , or that

33:30

guy got 25 and that other person got

33:32

40 . And you're like we're talking

33:34

in millions here . Why are we complaining

33:37

for the people at the top of the

33:39

tree , like don't worry about it , They'll be

33:41

all right . Like if they

33:43

got 15 million , I'll tell you what I'll swap . You

33:45

come and do my job and I'll do your job

33:48

, and then I will not complain one

33:50

iota , nothing . It's like

33:52

I understand why they complain about it , but

33:54

why do we join them Like

33:56

we don't need to join in their complaint

33:59

of their millions upon millions ?

34:01

Well , there is that argument that people that

34:03

are moaning about certain things like

34:06

the types of roles they can go for , they're actually

34:08

worried about getting up to the people in

34:10

charge management that sort of roles . They're not

34:12

. They're not fighting to be a chimney sweep , do you know

34:15

?

34:15

me , yeah , yeah , exactly , yeah , you know that and there could

34:17

be that .

34:17

I , I yeah , I see it , I do . I

34:19

see it slightly differently , but I think , yeah , I think I just

34:22

think it's weird that of course those

34:24

people doing those jobs are doing it selfishly and

34:26

and anything else . But like

34:28

we're there going , oh , my god , so and so didn't

34:30

get an oscar , and it's like , yeah , but also

34:32

, uh , barbara's just been up a fucking

34:35

burning building and saved a baby and a dog . I mean

34:37

that she's not getting a fucking award . So I mean

34:39

, I don't know who barbara is and I met her but I don't know .

34:41

I'll give her a clap . Well done barbara . Well done barbara

34:43

burning , burning .

34:45

Barbara , they call her burning .

34:47

Barbara , put the

34:49

baby back , get the other dog she's oh

34:51

, she's there , beautiful , burning

34:54

barbara burning . Barbara

34:56

, you can't look at the left side because

34:58

it's fucked to the right side looks great I

35:00

don't know two-face

35:03

, two-face barbara two-face

35:05

barbara new film . Fucking

35:07

hell we go . Who wants casting in that ? Well

35:14

yeah , who knows ? I thought John had just disappeared

35:16

in shame . Then for a second .

35:18

Well .

35:20

John's just quit the podcast .

35:22

John's ? Yeah , john's quit , he's gone , he's

35:24

out .

35:26

I pulled out the lead to the microphone

35:28

that's recording so I couldn't hear myself , and then I knocked my earpiece

35:30

out so I couldn't hear you . Absolute

35:34

calamity over here , anyway . So

35:36

back to you , ross . So yeah , so totally

35:39

agree with that , and so really really happy

35:41

for you that all of your adventures have taken off in

35:43

such a way that they have regardless

35:45

of the timescale .

35:48

I feel like we're very akin to you on this podcast .

35:50

Uh , we are definitely on the same trajectory , basically but while I'm

35:52

having a moan about that , it's the perfect time

35:54

for us to do our usual feature , uh , but

35:56

also including you this week , ross it's time

35:58

for you .

35:59

It's got a bit funny , john , your things come funny yeah

36:01

, was it hang on , all right there we go , there we go , we're back

36:04

there we go .

36:04

That's because , yeah , because I had , um

36:07

, yeah , so it's time

36:09

for the moment of the week . Brilliant

36:16

, well , let's start this . Uh , guests , first

36:18

, what's your moment of the week , ross ?

36:20

oh man , okay well

36:22

, I kind of have two , and why don't I have

36:24

two , oh ?

36:25

Libby's , libby's . It's like Juan , I

36:28

know .

36:29

Fine , okay , go for it .

36:31

Okay , so

36:33

what actually happened ? Today , which I was

36:35

in the local coffee shop with me and Juan

36:37

go for coffee and chats

36:40

, Chats .

36:41

Chats .

36:41

Yeah , we have little chats Play , play

36:44

GoldenEye . Play a bit of GoldenEye on the

36:46

Switch On the .

36:46

Switch . Yeah , oh , it's a chatting friend .

36:48

Oh , a chatting friend , you're

36:54

just bitter because you're sitting in a call centre listening to cunts on the phone . Yeah , I'm just bitter

36:56

because I'm in Wales , out of nowhere , talking to

36:58

sheep Talking to . I

37:01

did say talking to , before you start saying anything .

37:04

Yeah , but talking has a very different uh meaning

37:06

in wales and I know that's me the sheep and my velcro

37:08

gloves . Anyway , carry on and a mars

37:10

bar is

37:12

that deep pride ?

37:17

oh , jesus , okay , so anyway .

37:19

So , yeah , so I'm in my coffee shop and , um , I'm having

37:21

a , you know , just a chat with

37:24

one of the team over there and um , and

37:27

basically this , this woman with a baby decides

37:29

to just change the nappy if

37:31

the baby on one of the tables that wasn't

37:34

being used in the coffee shop . No

37:36

, and yep , and this wasn't

37:38

no , no , no , no yeah , and this wasn't the first time

37:40

that something like this . I'm not in this particular place

37:42

, but I've seen this kind of stuff happen before and it's just like what

37:45

? What makes that okay in any kind

37:47

of way ? And the thing is , I get it

37:50

, but it frustrates the out of me as well

37:52

at the same time , and I really felt for the lady , because it's just

37:54

like well , when the kids gotta go , the kids gotta go , but it's like

37:56

surely , surely this could wait till you get home

37:58

. It doesn't need to be done . There's facilities surely

38:00

in the there's

38:03

a toilet but I don't know if it had like one of the

38:05

pull downdown things where you can rest

38:07

the baby .

38:07

Hang on , though . Maybe she misheard someone

38:09

ordering a chocolate frappe and thought she said nappy .

38:12

Oh , that's what it was . That's exactly what happened .

38:14

Maybe she just thought that everyone in the coffee shop would

38:16

love to like taste shit with their coffee

38:18

.

38:18

Yeah , you know that

38:21

is a bit . I mean , if

38:23

the kid had shat himself or themselves

38:25

on the table and she had to clean it up

38:27

, that's , that's different . But because in a nappy

38:30

, go go somewhere that isn't

38:32

going to be opening . I mean just health and

38:34

safety . Why ?

38:34

surely that's not a fucking this

38:37

is the thing I , so it's like okay , so

38:40

yeah it was it was not a good experience

38:42

, but again , I get it . I get it , but it's like surely

38:45

there's a better way to do that . You don't need to do it right now . I mean , I used

38:47

to work for uh , oh , hang on , am I allowed

38:49

to say I used to work for a

38:51

technology company named after

38:53

a fruit ? That's all I can say . Ah , okay

38:56

, yeah , um , and I remember

38:58

we had at least two occasions of

39:01

that actually happening in the premises

39:03

in public , where people just come in and change

39:05

their nappies or that okay not their

39:07

own nappies to all the products and

39:09

all the yeah , yeah , that

39:11

could be a very expensive nappy change

39:13

.

39:14

That could be that could be .

39:15

Yeah , the iPhone's flat , it's not , it's not nice , but

39:17

anyway , um so yeah

39:19

. So I mean I get it , I feel for these people

39:21

, um , but it's like sure

39:23

, surely you know saying

39:26

that feel for these people , like everybody's been

39:28

having babies for millennia . Yeah

39:31

.

39:32

And if you can't fucking wait and just

39:34

take your kid around outside , I mean , where

39:37

is it In Surbiton ?

39:38

yeah , yeah , is that where ?

39:39

Starbucks or . No

39:41

it's in the corner , it's a little coffee shop

39:43

in the corner .

39:44

Yeah , it's in Surbiton .

39:46

Yeah .

39:51

Is it the corner ? Yeah , it's just , it's in . So , yeah , yeah , did you near the station or not ? No , no , okay

39:53

, fine anyway . What I'm talking about , though , is in in surbiton , or any given

39:55

town there's . There's plenty of facilities

39:57

that you should go and find in other places loads

39:59

of them around .

40:00

There's a big old sainsbury's like there's

40:02

a big old sainsbury's .

40:04

There's a . We're just gonna

40:06

to mow you all down to the big old Sainsbury's

40:08

, get yourself down to the big old Sainsbury's , get myself

40:10

some dirty nappers .

40:12

Yeah , yeah , yeah

40:17

. But sometimes I can't be arsed to walk to the toilet

40:19

, but I don't just sit on the table no

40:21

, you just shit yourself , but that's

40:23

the thing I just shit myself but

40:27

it's like a nuclear bomb that's got to be disarmed at that

40:29

moment .

40:29

It's like no , it's what

40:34

was everyone else's ? Reaction , though surely I think

40:37

a few people didn't actually know what was going on . And

40:39

then I think the person that I was speaking to was actually

40:41

the manager , and I think they could cast them a look , and

40:44

I think they kind of just either wrapped up the baby quickly

40:46

and moved out or they stopped halfway

40:48

through it and then , but it's just like just the fact that you're going

40:50

to do this , I'm just like you , just just please

40:53

mind you .

40:53

Having said that , years ago I was on tour

40:55

in bristol I think it was when I was doing billy and

40:58

we outside

41:01

the coffee shop in bristol I

41:03

presume she was homeless or definitely

41:05

a drug addict uh , just walked up to the window

41:07

, dropped her trousers and her knickers and

41:10

shat outside the coffee shop there's

41:12

a costa as well . It was just the most

41:14

disgusting thing I've ever seen . Put

41:16

up her pants and off she walked and I was like wow

41:19

, there's people sitting next to

41:21

her and everything . Oh my God .

41:22

She must have had a really bad coffee from there or something that

41:24

was her .

41:26

Yeah , that's a revenge dump , isn't it ?

41:28

That's what that is , yeah , do you know what you do the

41:30

next time that happens in the coffee shop start

41:42

taking there so quickly .

41:42

You've no idea .

41:43

You know , yeah , but um oh yeah , no , I'm totally with you on that one that's fucking bullshit .

41:45

Yeah , that's not . Well , it's baby shit technically . Yeah , it's baby shit , that's

41:47

fucking baby also .

41:48

It stinks as well , doesn't it ? It's like it's

41:51

just it's potent it's

41:53

so bad as well . It's not like it , you know

41:55

. Oh no , it's not contained at all .

41:57

It just doesn't make any sense why you would do

41:59

it there on the tape . It's not like , like

42:02

you can understand breastfeeding . That's a completely

42:04

different thing . You go well , you know , get over it . The

42:06

baby needs to eat and that's what he's eating

42:08

on , but

42:11

you don't have to . Oh man

42:13

, no way .

42:13

Anyway , what's your second ? Do you know what ? It was probably autopilot

42:15

. They probably just started doing it without thinking I'm

42:18

trying to be nice to them .

42:24

No , they're probably

42:26

just twats .

42:27

Oh God , second moment of the week Ross .

42:28

Give me the second , one Second moment of the week , okay

42:33

. So this is something that comes up quite a bit and it's more specific to the social

42:35

media world that I live in , and it's something I have to do every

42:37

now and again . I live in it as well , ross . Oh

42:39

yeah , massively huge .

42:41

I mean we'll go through posting on instagram when you've got a couple

42:43

of hours , don't worry it's very complex um

42:46

cool , so every now and again you let me

42:48

know when you have those , so he can't bullshit and says he doesn't

42:50

know anymore yeah , absolutely yeah .

42:51

I'll drop you a message , I'll let you know we have gone through the course

42:55

, can you have a certificate and everything .

42:57

Yeah , stage

43:01

one install Instagram yeah

43:03

, I've completed the foundation course

43:05

in posting on Instagram . The point is , you've been

43:07

telling us before .

43:07

I have two Instagram accounts , oh yeah , and the

43:09

other one's flourishing , is it ? Yeah , the other one's got

43:12

zero on it . I just forgot I had it what

43:16

is the point ?

43:17

you know everyone , so yeah so right .

43:18

So every I had it . What is the point in having one ? So yeah

43:20

, so right . So every now and again , we will post stuff

43:22

on Instagram or Facebook or wherever it is

43:24

, and what will happen is

43:27

we'll be . We'll try to be as clear as we possibly

43:29

can in our captions to describe what's happening

43:31

. There are times when we get it wrong and

43:33

people will correct us and then we'll correct it . So , thank

43:36

you , community . However , most of the time , we're

43:38

absolutely on it , but there are times

43:40

when you'll post something and then

43:42

people will just go oh , but you forgot

43:44

this or you didn't say this , so we'll actually

43:46

read the caption . That's exactly what

43:48

the caption says . The problem

43:50

with it is I think we've probably all been guilty of it

43:53

when we've been half asleep , we've not had our coffee

43:55

in the morning or whatever , and we just assume we've kind

43:57

of seen what we think we've read and then we just have to comment

43:59

about it . It's like , rather than just taking a moment and actually

44:01

just rereading it to make sure you're right , because the problem

44:03

is particularly with an audience of my size

44:05

and also my passion as well , because

44:07

it's not just me , it's a lot of followers who absolutely

44:09

love this movie as soon as you go . Well

44:12

, you forgot this or you forgot that , even though it is in

44:14

the caption for everybody to read . The

44:17

community then jumps in and go are you difficult

44:19

, are you special ? Do you have , do you have the needed to read

44:21

? Can you not handle , can you not handle text

44:24

, all this kind of stuff ? And it's just like , oh man , now this

44:26

guy's gonna get a whole heap of abuse . And it's just like do

44:28

I then have to jump in and hide his

44:30

comments ? No , do I have

44:32

to correct him ? Maybe do I have to get into a big

44:34

, long dm battle with this guy

44:36

or whatever . And you know what it's just like , oh

44:38

my god . And this happens once or twice a week . So my

44:41

moan of the week basically is people just please

44:43

read captions before you start posting about stuff

44:45

, because you can make yourself but they're already right , there's jaws

44:47

fans they're like , exactly

44:49

, exactly , it's just like , oh , but the thing

44:51

is . But the thing is , though , to be

44:54

fair , this happens , it's not just jaws pages , it happens

44:56

all over the place , and I I'm sure I've

44:58

done it from time to time about realizing it , but it's

45:00

just like just just step away from the internet before

45:02

you commit to a post , because you can really

45:04

make yourself like an absolute .

45:05

It's just an extension that is the internet

45:07

, though , isn't it ? I've so many things . I see

45:09

videos and stuff . If you ever just look at the comments

45:12

, you can guarantee there's gonna be so much

45:14

like stuff where they're just attacking and

45:16

taking and saying stuff . It's

45:18

like that's what they live for . I can't be bothered . I'd just rather

45:20

not put a comment on or just say , well , no , but it's an extension

45:23

of everyday life , though , isn't it ?

45:24

Because it's like people like I've

45:26

had it before in other jobs People start

45:28

moaning at you for something Excuse me , I

45:30

ordered this or I did this , excuse me , blah

45:32

, blah . There looking for a second , and you say no

45:35

, you didn't yesterday . And say no , you asked

45:37

for this . Yeah , yeah , that's

45:39

not what that is . Oh well , uh

45:41

. And then they have to back down very quickly . So

45:44

if you had enough people standing around , they'd all be shouting

45:46

that's not what you said . You twat , blah , blah , blah . It's

45:48

just the same thing , isn't it ? It's just that people have a bit

45:50

more time to look at it and fucking write it down , is

45:53

it right ? Remember you tell me this ? R't know if I

45:55

said this to you , john , that

45:58

when you on the Daily Jaws and

46:00

when you do interviews with people , that you don't use

46:02

swear words any harsher

46:04

than are in the films ? Yeah , is that right ?

46:07

That's one of our rules . Yeah , absolutely , because

46:10

we're aware of our audience and we need to be aligned

46:12

with that and

46:23

it's a decision that we make . I mean , can I take this opportunity to apologize to any of ross's audience

46:25

that are listening to this podcast then , because I'm sorry , um , but yeah , but I just think , like you

46:27

know what , at the end of the day , you know it is kind of what it is , um , you know , we just

46:29

try to be , we're just aware that it's a family movie

46:31

. And just to go right back to something you

46:33

said , john , about you know these disposable

46:36

nature of movies at the moment two

46:39

years ago , jaws replayed in

46:41

3d and imax and

46:43

I was at the imax showing in kingston

46:45

, my local cinema , and jaws played

46:48

exactly the same way . I would imagine it would have played

46:50

back in 75 with a brand new audience . People were

46:52

bringing their families and that kind of stuff and these kids were

46:54

jumping at the right places , they were being

46:56

scared the right places , they were laughing at the right places , they were absolutely

46:58

blown away by the finale . So , um

47:01

, just to sort of finish off that

47:03

little bit of that conversation that we had about sort of three days

47:05

ago , and it was just , you

47:07

know , it just plays the same way , and that's the beauty about these

47:09

, these movies , I think , um , so

47:12

yeah , so anyway , I just wanted to say that there you go , you're

47:14

welcome the

47:16

more we , the more we record on this podcast , the

47:18

more I think we should do a spin-off podcast of the

47:20

three of us , because it's fucking hilarious , oh

47:26

man , um , why ?

47:28

yeah , like I just I can't believe . I mean

47:30

I can't believe it because I've seen the film and stuff , but it's

47:32

, it's amazing just how much people are invested

47:35

in it . But then again , if you go to anything

47:37

like a comic-con or anything like

47:39

that , you're a fucking loser no , I mean no

47:41

, if you go to anything like that

47:45

which I have been recently um

47:47

people are so invested

47:49

and I went . So I went to

47:52

uh comic-con , at the place

47:54

that my uh partner works , and it's

47:56

the first one I've ever been to , and it was . You know , it's cool , there's lots

47:58

of cool merchandise and all that my partner works and it's the first one I've ever been to , and it was . You know , it's cool , there's lots

48:00

of cool merchandise and all that sort of stuff . And then we

48:02

watched this performance of different

48:05

people coming on dressed up as different characters and

48:07

doing some kind of dance routine

48:09

or performance piece around that

48:11

character , or some of it very , very skillful

48:14

, some of it , you know , not quite

48:16

as skillful , let's say , and I

48:18

was guilty for a while

48:20

of sitting there going what

48:23

the fuck is this man ? This is not . And

48:25

then , no sooner had I thought it , I started

48:27

to see it for what it was . I started thinking , well , hang on

48:29

, this is them , like you

48:31

know , expressing themselves , but also like

48:34

doing what we do , like we love certain films , as

48:36

it takes you away to a different world . And

48:38

it's it's not this fucking world which actually

48:40

, for a lot of people and I must , I can imagine

48:43

quite a few of the people that decided to do that performance

48:45

their world , in the real world

48:47

, is probably not that happy at times , you know

48:49

, because you know they're not what

48:53

would be the status quo . They're all seen as the norm

48:55

and therefore they get fucking all

48:57

sorts of shit and all sorts of challenges and they've got all sorts

48:59

of things going on and that allows them

49:01

to be someone else , like we do as

49:03

actors , but also to be part

49:05

of something . And and I think it's

49:08

pretty cool and I actually started to buy into it

49:10

, I started thinking this is actually quite , quite good

49:12

and they , you know , they make their costumes , they do this and do

49:14

that at the same time , it

49:16

doesn't stop them looking like knobs , or

49:18

does it when they do it like .

49:21

You know what I'm saying like here's the thing if I pretend

49:23

to be a superhero jerry springer's final thought

49:25

, and then one fucking waded in and just like

49:27

, if you're trying to be a

49:29

superhero , right , and you're like cool , here

49:31

we go , and then your routine revolves around

49:34

you , kind of like flailing your arms around

49:36

, doing a forward roll and then collapsing

49:38

on the floor .

49:40

It's not exactly a superhero move , is it ? That's

49:42

like a fucking heart

49:44

attack kind of move . Jerry Springer's showing be like take

49:47

care of yourself and each other . And then his head pops

49:49

on the screen Cunts .

49:52

Yeah , it would have been so much better . I

49:54

see what you're saying , but , like you know , it's

49:57

like doing an X Factor audition and no one's telling you . You

49:59

look like a prick , isn't it ? Oh , you can sing . No

50:01

, you fucking can't mate . You can barely speak or talk .

50:03

Some of the people that are attempting to do that don't

50:06

necessarily have the resources

50:08

of trying to say

50:10

this carefully .

50:15

They can't see themselves . Some of them .

50:16

Don't have the Coming on and waving

50:18

their arms about , and doing a forward roll is probably a massive

50:20

achievement for them , because they're not

50:22

able to do certain things .

50:23

Oh , don't put me in that fucking . Come on , you know what I'm talking

50:25

about .

50:26

No , I'm just saying you shouldn't be attacking the disabled and

50:28

the less fortunate than yourself . One , that's all I'm saying .

50:30

What are you on about ? They

50:38

get all the disabled parking in all the

50:40

supermarkets , so he could park it's always empty in

50:42

it . Saving parking is always empty . It's

50:44

always empty .

50:45

There's just not enough disabled yeah because they're all at comic-con

50:47

dancing around doing forward rolls

50:50

now , I didn't say that you know , I wasn't

50:52

talking about this .

50:58

I just think you know . You know what I'm saying . Sometimes

51:01

I'm like it's cool that you want to dress that way

51:03

. Well , it's not , but you want to dress that way , whatever

51:05

, and you go to these things , but just keep

51:07

it there .

51:08

But this is coming from the guy who's literally got

51:10

a wardrobe full of T-shirts with fucking

51:12

the Hulk on and different fucking cartoon

51:14

characters .

51:15

A room full of memorabilia . Dresses

51:19

up as the whole thing sees , the hulk don't think wishes

51:21

he could be the hulk to flip cars I do

51:23

, yeah , I do wish I could be the hulk , though , just so . When I

51:25

got angry it was like people

51:27

just went , oh shit , we've made a mistake . And

51:30

then , like I could flip cars , like rip buildings , I'll be

51:32

great . That would be for the grace of god

51:34

goes one .

51:35

Yeah

51:39

, um , so yeah , no

51:41

, that's . Uh , yeah , totally , I

51:44

can't remember what the what the moment of week was about that one

51:46

. If we get on .

51:46

I think it was uh assholes

51:49

in media . Oh yeah , the comments , the comments and stuff

51:51

.

51:51

Yeah , yeah , fair fair

51:53

, you know no , yeah , wow , there we go . Very good

51:55

, this is some good content . I'm loving it . I

51:58

agree with both of those . My moment

52:00

of the week this week is we've

52:02

probably touched on this sort of thing . What did

52:04

you say ?

52:05

The what ? No one asked you . I'm kidding

52:07

, no one asked me .

52:11

But yeah , it's kind of linked to the cost of living thing we're going

52:13

through . But I put this on Instagram earlier

52:16

this week because

52:18

I post on it and , uh , it

52:20

was the the price of

52:22

the , the shock I had at the price

52:24

of stamps . and that was the start of

52:26

my moan . Like I went into the shop

52:29

and I was going to send my stepdad

52:31

a birthday card and another card and

52:33

I thought to myself , oh , I've got no

52:35

stamps left , I'll go and grab a book of six . Firstly

52:37

, they don't a book of six . Firstly , they don't do books of six now , apparently

52:40

or not , in this shop anyway , they only have books of eight . I

52:42

said that's fine . So he starts going into the till

52:45

to get the book out . I

52:48

got my little wallet out and I'm getting the coin . I had like five or six

52:50

pounds in coins in my hand , thinking that'll do it

52:52

, and he rang it up . He said it'll

52:54

be £10 , please . I went sorry

52:57

, he's like £10 , please , £10?

53:00

. He said yeah , they're £1.25 a stamp

53:02

. Now I was like what

53:05

are you talking about ? So I

53:07

remember them . I mean I'm stuck in the 90s . I remember

53:09

them in the year 1999

53:11

. I looked this up they were 26p a stamp

53:13

.

53:14

Yeah , that's how I remember . We all remember that expense , yeah

53:16

.

53:16

So I thought , oh , it's just me being out of touch . But no

53:18

, it isn't . Because four years ago stamps

53:21

were in the region of uh

53:24

think

53:31

, uh , what are they ? 40 , 50 , something like that . And then the last year and a

53:33

half to two years they've gone up from 60p to 125

53:35

. They've doubled in price in a year or two years . Fuck

53:37

off , what a joke like . And I know that you know

53:40

their costs are going up , but they're not going up because they're ripping

53:42

off all the postmasters that we just found out about

53:44

. So what are they talking about ? And

53:46

then I went um , I've been taking

53:48

this second course of antibiotics and I've discovered

53:50

the best way for me to take things out to crush up the pill , and

53:52

it was a rancid within a fridge

53:54

, uh milkshake , so I could just down it and not have

53:56

to think about it . I tried it in yogurt and it's it's

53:59

too harsh , uh . So I went to buy a

54:01

fridge milkshake thinking , oh , that'd be good . They're

54:03

now 330 mils and

54:05

more money than they were when they were 500 mils

54:07

. And my partner said that apparently they've come out and said

54:09

, oh , it's because their costs are so high . They're

54:11

trying to keep the cost the same for the customer , so

54:13

they have to sell them in smaller quantities

54:16

.

54:17

What a load of shit they're just making more profit , shrinkflation

54:20

yeah , that's what they call it , shrinkflation

54:22

.

54:22

Yeah , it's ridiculous . And then they're

54:24

trying to do what the government do and actually palm us

54:27

off with this bullshit and going yeah

54:29

well , our costs are high , so

54:31

in order to make sure you don't have to pay so much more

54:33

we're

54:42

paying the same .

54:42

We're getting less for our money . Oh , thank you so much , fuller , you're so fucking lovely

54:44

. The best one was um , the toberone . Do you remember that , when they actually yeah , yeah , they took out what every other triangle

54:47

out of the toberone bar , and it was just like this is bullshit . And a friend

54:49

of mine this was very recent she , um

54:51

, she has a certain medication I'm sure she won't mind me talking

54:53

about it but she has a certain level of medication

54:56

or a certain type of medication that comes with the form of a cream and

54:58

, uh , she normally gets a

55:00

prescription for I think it's like 100 grams , or whatever

55:03

it is , of this particular cream that she needs to use . She

55:05

paid the same price and she got 30 grams

55:07

this time and it's just like what the hell ? It's just like

55:10

that's gone down by 70% , but it's like so why aren't

55:12

I paying 70% of the price ? No , it's

55:14

enough to pay the same price . It's just like , yeah

55:16

, this is , this is beyond ridiculous . Now

55:18

, so , but yeah , you're right , people

55:20

, and like at the moment , like with my business , I'm trying

55:22

to we're working on a few bits and pieces , like

55:24

we did a calendar earlier , this for christmas , and it was

55:26

super successful . But the thing that killed it for

55:28

us , or came close to killing the whole project

55:30

, was shipping , and we got very lucky with shipping . But

55:32

again , we have to pass , we have to try to

55:34

split the cost between us and the customer

55:36

, otherwise it's financially it's just not feasible

55:39

.

55:39

It's just this is the problem , though people that actually

55:41

have an ethical approach to it , or a or an

55:43

integral approach to this sort of thing , they

55:46

actually think about the customer . These big companies are trying

55:48

to pass it off as if they are doing

55:50

us the favor , so I've just done panto

55:52

with that . Um , wink and wendy , you have theo

55:54

the mouse , and they used to sell theo

55:57

the mouse uh , cuddly teddies

55:59

for the kids , and they were really popular and

56:01

they were able to get them in from abroad

56:03

, pay a certain amount per unit , ship

56:06

them out at a profit , since since brexit

56:08

, the cost per unit

56:10

has gone up so much that they'd only make like a pound

56:12

profit if that , or

56:16

they'd have to charge , maybe double , for the toys

56:18

, and his decision , or their decision , was that we're

56:20

not going to sell them because it's not fair to

56:22

put the pressure on the parents not to buy those kids

56:25

that toy where they were for that amount of money . So

56:27

they actually were thinking of the audience . They could just be raking

56:29

in there because they still probably buy them so

56:32

that's what I mean , those smaller companies and people like that

56:34

was going okay , that's too much . That's price

56:36

is . That was a big company's going . Oh no , we want

56:38

to make sure you're paying the same . So here's

56:40

less of what you're paying for originally . Don't

56:42

fucking pull the wool over eyes , don't be fucking

56:44

stupid . Yeah , one pound 25

56:47

for a stamp .

56:48

Oh my god yeah , so everyone's getting emails that's

56:50

it now I am . That

56:52

leads very nicely onto my moan of the week no

56:55

one asked you hey there

56:58

. You know what ? I don't give a shit , it's my

57:00

moan of the week . So my

57:02

moan of the week is people

57:04

talking about politics . Oh

57:07

, here we go , because I

57:09

just sometimes sit there and then I hit

57:11

, I become part of a conversation . I don't

57:13

really want to be part of my . My views are always a

57:15

bit like meh . People get really

57:18

sort of like fucking really

57:20

hardcore in whichever way they're going , and they

57:22

get really angry about it . I'm

57:25

just like nothing fucking changes . Shut up

57:27

, Just go sort out your own

57:29

shit . Nothing's changed . Nothing changes

57:31

. It's all the same old shit for all . Is it going to do

57:33

whatever they want to do anyway ? Who are you voting

57:35

? I ? They're going to do whatever they want to do anyway . Who are you voting ? I'm like , oh , fuck

57:37

off . And then when I tell people who I'm voting , they get really

57:39

angry .

57:41

So , huh , who

57:44

are you ?

57:44

voting for .

57:45

Well , I've never voted in my life .

57:50

I've never , ever voted .

57:50

Therefore you don't have a voice Shut up

57:52

. No , but that's the point . But

58:01

like , I was always like , what's the point ? People say when you can't complain ? I'm like , well , if I was , like

58:03

, if I was in a company that made millions and half a percent made a difference

58:05

, I'd be thinking about who was in . I

58:08

think local elections , sure , fine , but

58:10

like , for me , I was just like , ah , but , and

58:12

people can do what you want . Anyone can do what they want . Everyone's

58:20

got their own opinions and all the rest of it . But it was like the just people

58:22

when they try and drag you into political conversations I'm just like please don't .

58:24

No , I don't , my partner would agree with you . She , she wouldn't , she would , does not

58:26

get into political conversations with people because

58:29

it's it's a dead end thing

58:31

with most people especially nowadays , because nowadays

58:34

there isn't a discussion . There's a there's a right polarized

58:36

opinions like bang bang bang I sort

58:38

of agree with you to a point that you

58:41

know , if you look back at like people

58:43

, people are very quick to forget and new people that

58:45

have been born don't know , but if you look

58:47

back to the 70s , the 80s

58:49

, the 60s , the whatever , whatever decade

58:51

, there's people protesting , there's people going

58:54

on strike , there's people , there's wars , there's poverty

58:56

, there's famine , there's all sorts of everything we're dealing

58:58

with now is there in different ways

59:00

, different times , so not a lot does change

59:03

ultimately , um , however

59:05

, having said that , I do think this current period

59:07

you're in , definitely post covid as well , is

59:09

the most I've ever noticed it in terms of the

59:12

cost and the against the what you're

59:14

in and the outright

59:16

unbelievable corruption and

59:18

bullshit that is going on , you go

59:20

like what do you think ? we're fucking

59:22

stupid ? And but we're not

59:24

stupid , but there's not a lot we can do about it , by the way

59:26

, it's all set up so yeah . So I

59:28

agree , though I do think that you know one

59:31

person's vote doesn't make a difference , but then if everyone

59:33

says that nobody votes , so it's all the

59:35

it's the silent majority that actually ruin the

59:37

elections .

59:38

But it is all the same shit , isn't it ? Here

59:40

we go , we're on it . See , this is what I mean . We're on it . It's true

59:42

, though , isn't it ? It's true ? Okay , here's

59:44

the thing .

59:45

If everyone that says it's like you , I had

59:47

no point in voting voted and

59:51

they might have a different person in power .

59:53

So this is what I always get . I'll give you the answer I

59:55

always get . That's disgusting People

59:57

died for the right to vote and I say

59:59

, yes , that's true . That's not my point the

1:00:02

right to vote , I also have the right

1:00:04

to not vote .

1:00:05

No , I agree , I don't think you should have to vote . I'm

1:00:07

not one person . I wouldn't

1:00:09

sit here and go . You should have

1:00:11

to vote . No one's noticed your right to , or you're not saying

1:00:13

you're moaning , you're not . But there are people that don't vote and moan

1:00:15

. It's like yeah , but you can't . If you

1:00:17

don't vote , then you can't really

1:00:20

moan that much because you know , you

1:00:22

can moan if you vote . You know people who voted for brexit

1:00:24

or not , or to remain . They

1:00:27

can moan because they it was . So it was a

1:00:29

fucking bullshit campaign and everything else . But you

1:00:31

can't , really . You can't say

1:00:33

oh my life , shit and stuff . Well then you have to vote and you

1:00:35

might . It probably will do nothing , but if everyone

1:00:37

that's like you does it , they might do .

1:00:39

If I could see , like if I could look at something

1:00:41

and say I believe in what you're saying

1:00:43

and I believe you will follow it through anyone

1:00:45

at all , I would vote . That's the

1:00:47

problem , though , isn't it ?

1:00:48

that's the problem , because what we're

1:00:51

being told they pick their , they

1:00:53

pick their stall and they go for it and it's not

1:00:55

. They're not actually dealing with any issues . All

1:00:57

these promises they can just turn back on anyway . They're

1:01:00

not really held to account , they're not held to the law

1:01:02

. So I agree

1:01:04

with you in that sense . It's like who

1:01:06

do you fucking vote for ? And

1:01:08

that's linked to Jaws , because Because

1:01:12

Jaws is running for president , I'd

1:01:15

vote . I would vote .

1:01:16

I would vote . I

1:01:19

would vote if a great white shark was running for prime minister or president , do you know

1:01:22

what was funny ?

1:01:22

there was actually a poll . What was it

1:01:24

? I think I think this was actually

1:01:26

just before donald trump got in the

1:01:28

first . You know , first time around he , uh

1:01:31

, I think they made a poll who would you , who would you rather

1:01:33

vote for ? And darth vader and the shark

1:01:35

from jaws came higher than donald trump

1:01:40

. Absolutely , and I'll tell you why . I think

1:01:42

because I think I know where you were going with with the

1:01:44

whole jaws thing , quite . Yeah , I mean , like one of the

1:01:46

things that I started to when you , when

1:01:48

you watch jaws is with any movie

1:01:50

or anything , you kind of get . You know you guys are actors

1:01:52

, so you , you understand , when you read a play , obviously you're looking

1:01:54

at through the lens of your specific character . But if you take

1:01:56

a top-down view over it and you

1:01:58

sort of pick a lens to watch it through , jaws

1:02:01

is a great lesson in politics and actually how the world

1:02:03

really works , because you know the mayor is trying

1:02:05

to keep the beaches open and I had one of the greatest

1:02:07

lessons in politics from my school . I mean my

1:02:10

dad as well , because he used to work for trade unions and he

1:02:12

did some amazing work and

1:02:19

dad , amazing work and , dad , if you're listening . One , I apologize for what I've said .

1:02:21

And second , um I I'm really valuing and I'm really proud of the work

1:02:23

you've done . Anyway , here we go . Anything that's got to be precursored

1:02:25

, like that , it's gonna be coming no , no , no

1:02:27

, no , it's not .

1:02:27

It's not that bad , but I remember we um this

1:02:30

is when I was at my high school right , and we had a competition

1:02:33

to name , to rename the school because I used

1:02:35

to go to a high school . It used to be called garth

1:02:37

high school and the problem was it was getting

1:02:39

associated with garth garth high

1:02:41

school nothing like garth and wayne's

1:02:43

world garth . Well , actually it was getting

1:02:46

mixed up with garth road dump , which was

1:02:48

about a quarter of a mile away , and so

1:02:50

basically we had this really horrible reputation

1:02:52

just by being named the same as a

1:02:54

dump , a local dump . So

1:02:56

they decided to rename the school right , and

1:02:59

they sort of all the kids were involved like guys , you

1:03:01

can just throw in your , your ideas or whatever

1:03:03

, and then we'll whittle it down to say our favorite five , and then

1:03:05

we'll take a final vote and everyone's like , oh , this is great

1:03:07

, we're going to be involved . And then what did ? What

1:03:09

did they do when they announced the winner ? They picked a name that wasn't

1:03:11

even on the list . They picked their

1:03:13

own name , standard and I and welcome

1:03:16

to auditions exactly , exactly

1:03:19

, and I'm like , and I'm sitting there scratching

1:03:21

my chin , going , okay , so this is how the world works . And

1:03:23

then , um , I've heard many , many years later

1:03:25

from it from a teacher uh , that that decision

1:03:27

had been pre-made before the thing even happened

1:03:30

, before even the name , before the whole kids

1:03:32

are getting involved , was even the thing .

1:03:33

Yeah , the name had already been chosen , isn't it ?

1:03:35

exactly exactly the illusion of democracy .

1:03:37

That's my point this is how the world works . I'm like

1:03:39

okay , cool , fair enough . So it's your point one

1:03:41

. It's like why , why get ? Why engage in

1:03:43

a process when a lot of the decisions may

1:03:46

?

1:03:46

have already . That's why people like

1:03:49

trump that , whether you like him or not and there's there's

1:03:51

arguments on both sides people like him

1:03:53

, who are seen as quite divisive , get in power . For

1:03:55

that very reason , they set their stall out

1:03:57

and they go . Here's something controversial . I'm

1:03:59

going to just say this , and a lot of people are almost

1:04:01

refreshed by the fact that he's going . These

1:04:04

are my opinions and these are my things and these are

1:04:06

my policies , whereas the other politicians they're

1:04:08

so slippery they don't really answer and they sort of

1:04:10

like no real facts to it and people

1:04:13

just tune out . If you just go in there and go , I'm going to

1:04:15

build a war and I'm going to hate all foreigners or whatever

1:04:17

you say . People go yeah , okay

1:04:19

, yeah , yeah , yeah or whatever you know , and they pop down

1:04:21

to all things .

1:04:21

At least it's a decision . Right , it's

1:04:24

a viewpoint . It's actually a viewpoint . Yeah , it's

1:04:26

something tangible .

1:04:27

They can go . Okay , I can get on board with that . Whether you

1:04:30

think it's right or wrong , that's favourite

1:04:33

films , by the way , just checking . I

1:04:35

think we're going to have to do a two part episode of this

1:04:37

. We're already at an hour this might have to be .

1:04:39

Let's make it a two part .

1:04:41

Ross part two .

1:04:42

I love it this is like Jaws 2 .