0:14

Up little food

0:16

for yourself.

0:18

Oh it's pretty, but hey, it's pretty beautiful,

0:22

beautiful that for a.

0:23

Little more than it's exciting,

0:27

said he your kicking

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with four with

0:32

Amy Brown. Happy Thursday, four Things. My

0:34

guest today is actress, singer,

0:37

songwriter, mom wife

0:39

so many things. McKenzie Porter. Hello,

0:42

I feel like the last time I saw you. I'm sure maybe

0:44

there's been other things here or there, but I remember

0:46

specifically a couple of years

0:49

ago. It was Valentine's Night. We

0:51

were in l A and you were there with Dustin

0:53

Lynch singing thinking about you.

0:55

Yeah, I forget what that was that event was for.

0:58

It must have been Dustin's album released, Yes

1:00

it was, I think, and you showed up as a

1:02

surprise, like performing with him,

1:04

and everybody freaked out. And

1:07

that was also a night where I had these huge

1:09

clip on earrings in and as I'm

1:11

on stage interviewing Dustin, the

1:14

left one, which was the only one facing the audience,

1:16

decided to fall down. But

1:19

somehow, while I'm talking to

1:21

him and on stage, I magically

1:23

like I don't even know how I caught it. It's almost

1:25

one of those things where it just kind of happened,

1:28

and I feel like for you right now, at this stage

1:30

in your life, you probably have a lot of these reflexesh

1:34

like I don't even know how I did that, because how

1:36

old is your baby at this point, like six

1:38

weeks?

1:38

She's like, well, Thursday, she'll be seven.

1:40

Yeah, I don't even know how I get up in

1:42

the morning like most days, you know, like

1:45

managing kids and schedule.

1:47

Well, I mean, you did decide to put

1:50

out an album, like right at the exact same

1:52

time, I did.

1:53

Not realize the workload of being

1:55

a mom. Other people would be like, it's really

1:57

intense, like are you sure you want to do it at the same time, and I was like,

1:59

I got it.

2:00

It's not a big deal. And now I'm

2:02

like.

2:02

Oh, this is a little bit more than I

2:04

thought it would be, but in the best way.

2:07

Did you ever have thoughts that you couldn't have

2:09

the type of career that you have and

2:11

be a mom?

2:12

Of course, I mean I definitely

2:15

had that like stigma like the second or a

2:17

mom like things slow down. And that's

2:19

my mission is to prove that wrong.

2:22

And I've had so many of my girlfriends

2:24

who are artists, be like, I want to have a baby

2:26

so bad and I'm secured my label or I'm scared

2:28

my managers are going to.

2:29

Like lose their passion for me.

2:32

And that's just something I want to like

2:34

show all the women behind

2:36

me, hopefully that you can try to do both at the same

2:38

time.

2:39

Yeah, there's a Shonda Rhyme's quote

2:41

that I think is really awesome for

2:44

anyone that is trying to quote unquote

2:46

do it all. And she shared it originally

2:48

at a commencement speech, but I've

2:50

seen it a few other places here and there.

2:52

But she said, whenever you see her somewhere

2:55

she's talking about herself, whenever you see me somewhere succeeding

2:57

in an area of my life, that almost certainly

3:00

means I'm failing in another area

3:02

of my life. And her point in sharing

3:04

that was like, there really is no

3:06

balance. There's you know, sacrifices

3:09

you're making here and there, there's no happening

3:11

at all. Perfection is

3:14

impossible, But wherever you

3:16

are in that moment, just give it

3:18

your best and do what

3:20

you can with it.

3:21

Totally.

3:22

I kind of said that the other day too, is like I feel

3:24

like I'm kind of feeling as a mom and as

3:26

an artist because you're so pulled in either

3:28

and if I'm here, I'm you

3:30

know, doing something cool for my career, but I'm not home

3:32

with my baby, and there is a lot of like guilt

3:34

of how do I show up for all of these things

3:37

at the same time.

3:38

Yeah, And I think what Shonda was even

3:40

saying too is, yeah, look at all my accolades,

3:42

my success. And I think she was probably tired of people

3:44

asking her like how do you juggle it all?

3:47

And She's like, I don't because I'm here with

3:49

you right now, or if Gray's Anatomy is winning some award,

3:51

or I'm watching this, or or if I'm at my child's

3:53

recital, like I'm missing Sandra's

3:56

last scene ever on the

3:58

show, Like there's there's sacrifices have

4:00

to make, but I mean, I think you just have to prioritize

4:03

it and then have grace and then relieve

4:06

yourself of any guilt because

4:08

you're doing the best you can to also show

4:11

your daughter as she grows up. That

4:13

like being a mom. A lot of people

4:16

call it like a job, but it doesn't

4:18

define you. That's not your only totally

4:20

passion. You have so many passions.

4:22

I mean, and you're someone who's been at this

4:25

or at least, it seems like you're very talented

4:27

from a very young age. Like I was thinking

4:29

the other day at forty three, I'm thinking

4:31

about starting piano again.

4:33

You should.

4:34

I want to because I took lessons

4:36

when I was eight, but I didn't really

4:39

like them, so I didn't take them seriously. But I saw that

4:41

you were learning piano, violin,

4:44

singing all the things at four years old.

4:47

I know. It's like my mom was crazy.

4:49

She wanted us to I

4:52

think, just like be well versed in a

4:54

lot of things. And so we did all those instruments,

4:57

dance, gymnastics, skating, soccer,

4:59

like just so many activities.

5:01

It was definitely a lot.

5:02

But I'm so glad, Like I well,

5:04

a, I obviously went into the as a career.

5:07

But also just to have like the skills to

5:09

be at a.

5:09

Party and be able to play an instrument and join

5:11

the band that's like at the party like that. That I

5:13

think was my parents' goal, is like they

5:15

just wanted me to be able to do that, and they probably didn't

5:17

think I would do it as a full career.

5:19

Yeah, they were looking out for you because that's definitely a fun

5:22

party trick.

5:22

It's obviously for it's harder as an adult.

5:24

I think, don't you think to like learn something

5:26

new or the time as a kid, it feels less

5:29

hard, even like a second language or something.

5:31

But you could do it.

5:32

Which do you speak any other language? No?

5:34

I wish.

5:35

I wouldn't be surprised if you like, yes, four, which

5:38

you grew up on a bison

5:41

and cattle ranch in

5:43

Alberta.

5:44

Yes.

5:44

And I was curious

5:47

being that that's the case if you're familiar

5:49

with the bison storm analogy. No

5:51

as like a way to live.

5:53

No.

5:53

So my sister taught it to me because she

5:55

has a necklace that has a bison

5:58

on it, and I

6:00

said, where did you get that? It's so cute? And she was

6:02

talking about this jewelry shop in Colorado

6:04

where she got it. But then afterwards she learned

6:07

that bison go

6:09

directly into the storm and

6:12

cows huddle up together and

6:14

walk away from the storm. So

6:17

it's two different ways of looking at how to approach

6:19

something. The bison are aware

6:21

that like, hey, I'm going to face this head on and I'm

6:23

going to get out of this storm faster, whereas

6:26

the cows, like they don't know that they're

6:28

going to end up being in the storm longer. But they

6:30

turn and go the other direction trying to get

6:32

away from the storm, but the storm catches up

6:34

with them eventually, and then they're in

6:37

it longer. And so it's

6:39

just an analogy of like how

6:41

to face hard things when they happen

6:43

or different challenges of just be like

6:45

a Bison and forge ahead.

6:47

Yeah, I feel like that is probably

6:50

how I go about life, or that's

6:52

how definitely how I want to I'm sure

6:55

sometimes like you.

6:56

Huddle with your people and you're just like brace

6:58

yourself.

6:59

But you know, a lot of times in this career there

7:02

are a lot of things that you kind of have to like that

7:04

you have to do that you're scared to do, like

7:06

even you know, performances in front of big

7:08

people or like a big audience, or

7:11

putting out like this record like that

7:13

that to me is like scary, especially

7:15

like coming off of a

7:18

song with Dustin that was really successful,

7:20

Like this record has to do well, and

7:22

so for me, like putting it out is kind of like that little

7:24

Bison, I'm just put my head down and running

7:26

into the storm.

7:27

Well, and you were very vulnerable on

7:29

the record and sharing things and

7:32

as a writer, I'm not a

7:34

talented writer like you. I'd have no skill or

7:36

talent at it and at all whatsoever. But in the

7:39

last few years writing has been so therapeutic.

7:41

And by writing, I just mean journaling, free

7:44

flow, just wake up and just start

7:46

writing. So for you having

7:48

it as a career, but also it's

7:51

likely a therapeutic outlet for

7:53

you.

7:53

I do that too, though, like I'll wake up and just start

7:56

writing. And obviously the goals.

7:58

I hope I find a song in that, but if I don't, I don't

8:00

then it also just did something good for

8:02

myself, just to put my feelings out.

8:04

And so what song on the album,

8:06

Like if someone were to go check it out

8:08

right now, which one would you want them to listen to

8:11

first?

8:12

I mean, there's so many, but the one off the top of

8:14

my head is a song called Nightingale, and

8:16

it's just about like when I first came to town,

8:19

I was so innocently naive

8:22

and confident because I hadn't heard no

8:24

like eight hundred million times like I have now,

8:27

and you know, after being in town

8:29

for close to ten years, like you do,

8:31

get like a little burnt.

8:33

And that song is about like how

8:35

I want.

8:35

To approach situations

8:38

again like that girl, the one that first came to

8:40

town.

8:40

You have this confidence, but you're innocent, you don't know.

8:43

Yeah, it's likes so naive, but it like it

8:45

works for you too.

8:46

At the same time, like I was gonna ask, like,

8:48

yeah, did you come to town like this?

8:50

I'm experienced and confident and I'm ready

8:52

for it. Or I'm innocent and I'm

8:54

naive and confident and I'm ready for

8:56

it, because you can still go after it either way.

8:58

But I think that I think I like I thought.

9:00

It was the shit when I first came to

9:02

down I mean I literally asked one

9:04

of the owners of Bigloud, my record label. I

9:07

just said to him the first time I met him, I'm like, you

9:09

should sign me to a deal. I'm awesome, my

9:11

music's awesome. And I

9:13

probably wouldn't do that now because I now, I know that's

9:15

not cool and it doesn't work like that, and you

9:17

know that could be perceived in a

9:19

certain way, but it.

9:20

Did work that time.

9:21

That confidence I feel like you moving from Canada

9:24

to Nashville is that you sort of being like a Okay,

9:26

this is what I want to do. You're kind of being a Bison

9:29

in the moment, I'm just gonna head straight on.

9:31

Absolutely.

9:31

I'm a big believer in like, if you don't ask, you can't get

9:33

it. And then sometimes we ask, you don't get

9:35

it too, But you definitely have to

9:38

like ask for what you want.

9:39

You know, when I look at you on social media because

9:42

I follow it, to me, you're killing it. But I

9:44

know that social media isn't always reality,

9:46

and there's this grass is Greener

9:48

mentality, especially when we get wrapped

9:51

up in that on socials and we think like, why is

9:53

everybody else's life working out for us and

9:55

it's not really working out for me? Which your

9:57

song Coming Home to You is part

9:59

of that message as well.

10:01

Yeap.

10:01

Do you ever have to remind yourself like,

10:03

Okay, hey, I don't want to fall into this grass is Greener

10:06

trap?

10:06

Oh all the time? I mean, social

10:08

media is so hard and I always think it's

10:10

crazy.

10:11

Like you and I are like grown women, and

10:13

hopefully we have the skills to like know that social

10:15

media is fake, but I still fall

10:18

into the trap of thinking like her

10:20

career looks like it's moving faster, or her

10:22

marriage looks better, or their house is nicer, or

10:25

she dresses cooler like always.

10:27

I think that's really natural. And for the

10:29

record, you do dress cooler.

10:32

And I am very I'm very

10:34

jealous of it's very crue.

10:35

No we mad jacket, so okay.

10:38

Right, yes, So while I can be I'll

10:40

be inspired by you. Well, I think it's another way to

10:42

look at it instead of you know, I

10:44

use the word jealous jokingly, but you

10:46

can be inspired and motivated

10:48

by seeing other people that are having

10:51

successes instead of feeling like, oh, woe

10:53

is me? Why is it happening to them and not me?

10:55

Totally?

10:55

And I do feel like every time I've reached

10:58

out too, Like even I was texting my

11:00

girlfriend Lauren Lee the other day and I was like, how do

11:02

you like literally manage your

11:04

kids and your clean house and like because I'm

11:07

like drowning and she's like, oh, we

11:09

don't. Our house is just like clean for social

11:11

media or like that picture was just clean or we

11:13

have a cleaner or whatever. And it's so

11:16

nice to hear the reality of people's

11:18

lives instead of what they just post online.

11:20

Because I do it too.

11:21

I mean, I post my best stuff, and you know, I

11:23

don't post when I look like crap or feel a

11:25

crap.

11:25

Is there something around the house that like, if it is done,

11:28

you just feel better. I'm talking nobody else

11:30

is going to see it, but like, are you a bed maker every

11:32

day? Do you have to have clean countertops?

11:34

Or I have vacuum lines?

11:36

I'm all of it. This is my problem. I need

11:38

the bed maid, the dishes done.

11:40

And I realized with a baby that's

11:43

just not as doable right now.

11:45

Somebody said, like, your kid's not gonna remember if your

11:47

house is.

11:47

Clean, They're gonna remember if you spent time with her, and

11:49

so I always try to keep that in my mind, but also

11:52

I really want my house.

11:52

To be clean. So I'm still trying to figure

11:54

it out and balance it off.

11:55

There's a quote that we literally talked about. On

11:58

Tuesday of this week. I

12:00

co host a bonus episode of this podcast with my friend

12:03

Kat, she's a therapist, and you know,

12:05

we'll answer listener emails and different things. We

12:07

always start the episode off with a quote, and

12:09

this week's and it's unknown, I don't know who it's from, but

12:11

this week's quote was literally, twenty years

12:13

from now, the only people that

12:15

are going to remember how hard you

12:17

worked or how much you worked are your kids

12:20

and so yes, do good to your job, do

12:22

well, but at the cost of what and

12:25

make sure that you have that Back to the Shonda rhymes,

12:27

you're not going to always be there for your kids, but you're

12:29

not going to always be able to do every single work

12:31

thing. You have to just accept

12:34

that can be two places at once, yeah, or

12:36

five.

12:37

I think you like probably, you know, as

12:39

your kids get older, like learn the balance better and

12:41

learn how to say no. Like I'm still

12:43

like I feel guilty if I say no to a work thing,

12:46

but at the same time, it's like she needs me,

12:48

So I'm figuring that out every day.

12:50

Have you always been a bed maker or

12:52

is that something new?

12:53

Okay?

12:53

My mom was like very very OCD

12:56

clean with their house, like we our house isot

12:58

was very put together. My husband I was last

13:00

She's like, I want it to look like nobody lives there,

13:02

you know what I mean, Like everything's just put away and organized.

13:05

I think there is something too waking up and making

13:07

your bed though, and research shows that

13:09

that it's like the first thing you can do at

13:12

the start of the day to feel like, oh,

13:14

look at me, I can accomplish things. And then

13:16

at night when you go get into your bed.

13:18

There's something different about crawling

13:20

into a clean bed, and it's just very comforting.

13:24

So I think I kay to want to take

13:26

the time, but I get like every single thing is not going

13:28

to be in order. But sometimes if I'm

13:30

feeling wonky, like

13:33

oh, maybe I should just go make my bed because

13:35

I didn't make it this morning. And I haven't always been a bed maker.

13:37

I didn't grow up that way, but my sister

13:40

sort of did. Like she is ocd

13:43

about certain things like that, like she'll measure

13:46

her curtains, Like if she's close to her curtains for the

13:48

day and she's opening them up, and like,

13:50

say there's a chair or a couch, she'll

13:52

measure to make sure that it's seven inches from

13:54

the really because she just wants

13:56

it to look a certain way. And she always made

13:58

her bed, and I was like, what, you're wasting

14:01

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14:03

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14:05

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14:09

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My next question would be, do you snooze

15:33

or no snooze?

15:34

Oh, I snooze like crazy, which is

15:36

kind of weird.

15:37

But I have now been

15:39

so bad at snoozing that I now have to set

15:41

my alarm like an extra hour early to

15:44

snooze it to actually.

15:45

Get out of bed on the right.

15:46

Now, that's when you know you have a problem that can.

15:48

I know, how many times will you snooze it?

15:50

Oh? Well I don't anymore? Okay, but I

15:52

had to kick it. I kicked it well. Actually there was a challenge

15:55

on The Bobby Bone Show where Bobby

15:57

wanted me to try to quit, and then a listener

16:00

and said, I've been trying to quit snoozing too. What if I'm

16:02

Amy's accountability partner and we do it

16:04

together? And so I had a listener

16:06

and so if you have someone that is checking

16:08

in, they're trying to do it too. And then we're talking

16:11

about it on air. And I really did want

16:13

to kick the habit because, similar to you, it gotten to

16:15

the point where I was doing that and I'm like, this seems counterproductive.

16:18

You're literally and I learned about sleep

16:20

inertia, which is what

16:23

you're doing to yourself when

16:25

you press snows like we think, oh, I'm getting

16:27

my nine more minutes or whatever, but

16:30

you're not able to go back into a full sleep

16:32

cycle, so you're sort of tricking your body

16:35

and then it actually makes you more tired throughout

16:37

the day, and so we're not setting

16:39

ourselves up for success.

16:41

It makes sense.

16:41

And also, just like the last

16:44

hour you're in bed, it's so miserable because

16:46

it's going off every ten minutes. That's

16:48

just like you're kind of in a grumpy mood.

16:50

To start your day too.

16:52

Yeah, so sleep inertia.

16:53

Okay, maybe it'll be my partner to keep

16:55

me accountable.

16:56

I can be your accountability partner, like, okay, make

16:58

your bed. But also you don't have to have

17:00

your house to such a pristine state

17:02

where you know your husband's like it looks

17:04

like nobody lives here, you know, which

17:06

what is married life and light because that's only been a few

17:09

years too. Huh.

17:09

Yeah, we've been together for over ten

17:12

years but married for the last

17:14

five years. But he is the best. He is

17:16

like the best dad. Like he's so

17:18

good and he's very patient.

17:21

Like sometimes I get little stress, like if the crying is happening

17:23

or if she's not eating well, that like

17:25

stresses me out a little bit.

17:26

And he's just calm. He's the opposite

17:28

of me, the ying to your yang. Yeah, he really

17:31

is. And everybody, like all our friends, they're like,

17:33

we don't know how.

17:33

You guys work, but you guys work really well because

17:36

he's really truly opposite.

17:38

Which how did y'all meet?

17:39

We met songwriting with his ex girlfriend.

17:42

Uh, they were not dating anymore, but she

17:44

introduced us and then we started

17:47

hanging.

17:48

So his ex girlfriend introduced y'all

17:50

to songwright or potentially to.

17:52

Songwriter day so I wrote with her

17:54

and then she's like, I think you and Jake

17:56

would write really well together. They were already broken up, she was

17:58

with somebody else, but they were still friends and

18:01

we all wrote together, and then he called his

18:03

mom that night and was like, I'm gonna marry this girl.

18:06

I was still had a boyfriend, I didn't live here, but

18:08

we became friends and then two

18:10

years later we started dating.

18:12

And so when did he tell you that? He called his mom that

18:14

night and said that.

18:15

He told me like pretty fast that he was in love with me,

18:17

and I was like, I have a boyfriend, Like

18:20

I can't talk to you now because this is weird and

18:22

I feel like I'm doing something wrong. So we

18:24

kind of like stopped talking because it felt

18:27

weird. And then he would

18:29

text me every Monday and be like, I

18:31

just want to remind you that, like I'm still in love

18:33

with you, and I won't text you for the rest week, but I'm still in love

18:35

with you.

18:36

And he'd did that for like a long time.

18:38

Yeah, he was very persistent, like if it didn't

18:40

work out, it would have been creepy. But because

18:42

it worked out, it's sweet.

18:43

I know, isn't that the thing? Like it's like,

18:46

well, if a guy's treating you a

18:48

certain way and you don't like him, then it's sort of

18:50

stalkerish or weird or whatever.

18:52

But if you like them, they're like, oh my gosh,

18:54

she's so sweet. He keeps

18:57

showing up outside my window.

19:00

I literally did. He knows like I'm a big gum toour.

19:02

He would drop like packs of gum, like on

19:04

my front step or just like little things,

19:06

like sweet little things, which is a little stockery

19:09

when you tell them to not do that.

19:11

But so then you broke up with your

19:14

boyfriend naturally, just.

19:15

Like that just happened. And then

19:17

at that point Jake was like, hey, I'm

19:19

here, I'm here. I've always

19:21

been here.

19:22

Outside your windows, on your porch or the box of

19:24

gum like ready and waiting.

19:26

So since y'all are both creatives and writers,

19:29

like how is it with your latest

19:31

album putting that out? And is so much going

19:33

on in your life? Is does he have a

19:35

lot of input or say or do you go to him? Or is

19:37

it sort of like you'll have to create that separation

19:39

because it can be too much.

19:40

We don't work together.

19:42

But he does have a lot of opinions of like I'll

19:44

ask him, like, you know, do you like this video

19:47

or this song or do you think this song should go on the record.

19:50

The thing that's kind of nice is like he is not in country

19:52

music. He is more in like folk Americana

19:55

singer songwriter world. So our past don't

19:57

really cross with business other than

19:59

just supporting.

20:01

Well and seeking a business. You're not just in the

20:04

singer songwriter business. I first saw

20:06

you on Travelers.

20:08

I remember the first time I came in here and you said.

20:10

Yeah, when you were on the Bobby Bone Shaw, I was like, whoa

20:12

wait, you're from the Netflix show

20:14

with that guy from Will and Grace. I

20:16

was bummed when that show didn't come back, Like it was a really

20:18

I remember watching that.

20:20

So are you a sci fi fan?

20:21

I'm not huge into sci fi, but for whatever

20:24

reason, which I'm no longer

20:26

married to him, but my husband is at the time

20:28

is the one that found it. And I wouldn't

20:30

say he's too super sci fi either, but you

20:32

know, it was a good balance of this as time travel

20:35

but also doesn't feel too weird

20:38

yep in that or in that lane, because yeah,

20:40

I would say generally, we're not.

20:41

Totally they did rise that line nicely.

20:43

I think they totally did because we were

20:45

into it and like we were ready for the next season

20:47

to come out and then the next one. So anyway,

20:50

that was That was when I was first introduced

20:52

to you. I heard on the Bobby Cast

20:54

to a couple of years ago that you auditioned

20:56

for Shit's Creek.

20:57

I did.

20:58

I did with Dan.

20:59

I'd like tested with him, Dan Levy,

21:01

and I mean the girl who got I can't

21:03

remember what her name is in real life, but sister, yes,

21:06

so you were liked or

21:08

like a little bit, a little bit Alexit whatever

21:10

her name is, I can't remember, but I auditioned

21:12

and read with him in LA comedy

21:15

is like harder for me. I'm definitely lean more

21:17

in the drama lane. But it was pretty cool and

21:19

he was hilarious and I was like, oh, you were

21:21

a comedian obviously.

21:23

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Him and his dad, they're

21:25

like geniuses in that department. Back

21:27

to the Travelers one though, do you believe

21:29

in time travel or different dimensions?

21:32

Working on a show like that, does it.

21:33

Make you be like, I don't think I

21:35

do. I like to like think about

21:37

it when I'm acting like that's a fun thing, but

21:39

I don't think I do, and really lift.

21:40

You when it comes to time travel, I don't know.

21:43

Bobby likes to believe

21:45

in it. We talk about it a lot on the show,

21:47

but he feels like if it existed, he would have come back

21:50

to tell himself and

21:52

I don't know exactly how it all

21:54

works. But he also

21:56

thinks we're a simulation, so it was Jake,

21:59

Oh really Ye.

22:00

Yes, he's definitely like the sci fi nerd

22:02

kind of thing. Do you ever get like the Dajahoo

22:05

feeling? Yes, that I feel like

22:07

is maybe oh I'm feeling

22:09

this because that's happened in another life. Oh,

22:11

I don't know, that's what I've heard. That feeling is, Yeah.

22:14

I don't wonder what I would have done in a different life,

22:16

for if I was somebody else, was I a

22:18

human or a bird?

22:20

I don't I feel it'd be fun to be a bird,

22:22

right?

22:23

I know you like yes, because

22:25

sometimes I just want to fly far far away from

22:27

a lot less stress, everything, fly away

22:29

from everything. Something that we do

22:32

on the show is gratitude,

22:34

and so we'll list four things,

22:36

and it's a way for people to get to

22:38

know, yeah, what you're thankful for, but also get to know you

22:41

on a different level, like if you share

22:44

specifically something you're thankful for today,

22:46

like when you woke up today, in this moment, whatever

22:49

you have going on, and then a food

22:51

or drink that you're thankful for, a show

22:54

or a movie or even a documentary which

22:56

I'm sure you've got some good stuff being that you work in

22:58

that lane too, And then book that you're

23:00

thankful for, or maybe even a

23:02

song. Let's start with what you're thankful for today?

23:05

Okay today, It's funny you say that because didn't

23:07

get a lot of sleep last night, was a little stress,

23:09

have a very busy day, and I just woke up

23:12

and thought, like I'm so lucky

23:14

that I get to do something

23:16

I love for work, you know, and support myself

23:18

and my family. And I have a healthy

23:20

little baby, and like when you have it, you

23:23

kind of take it for granted. I'm and a

23:25

husband who's supportive and an extended family

23:27

who is supportive, and I'm really

23:29

tight with.

23:30

What about a show

23:32

or a movie that you're thankful for in

23:34

your life?

23:35

Have you read about The Jinks? You like documentaries?

23:37

I do?

23:37

Okay, so The Jinx is wild.

23:40

You know, when you get to a documentary and it's like the ending,

23:42

you're like, they didn't even tell us what happened or

23:44

there's no ending, it's just kind of like left unknown.

23:47

The Jinks has an ending.

23:49

And it is the most satisfying

23:51

ending you'll ever experience in documentary.

23:54

And they just released a new like

23:56

extended part two that I'm watching.

23:58

Without giving it away because now I feel like a lot of people

24:00

we're gonna want to see it. What's it about.

24:02

It's about a guy who murders, or

24:05

they think he maybe murders three people, his wife,

24:07

his friend, and another person.

24:08

I think. But the ending is just

24:11

so satisfying.

24:12

And this really happened.

24:13

Yes, And so the documentary is called The Jinks,

24:15

and I'm just grateful of that because I love murder

24:18

documentaries.

24:19

Have you listened to the podcast Something

24:21

Was Wrong? No, it's not murder,

24:24

Okay, well actually, well maybe

24:26

I haven't listened to all nineteen seasons, so there

24:28

might be a murder mixed in. But I

24:31

just listened to the episode now of This

24:34

Friend. It would be like you and I are sitting here, we're

24:36

friends, but I met this guy online and

24:39

I think he's real, but you are

24:41

pretending to be him and you're my friend,

24:44

and you're like texting me and you

24:46

know, We're like you've set up this fake profile

24:48

online so that we would meet and people

24:51

are crazy. And I was

24:53

listening to it earlier today and I'm just in disbelief.

24:56

It's called Something Was Wrong, and I don't remember

24:58

which season this was, but it's

25:00

that gut feeling you get about like

25:03

something was just off, Like when you were

25:05

either dating somebody or you're had

25:07

a friendship with somebody and you

25:09

didn't listen to your gut,

25:12

Like have you had a time We're like, oh, I

25:15

should have listened to my gut on that.

25:16

Oh all the time.

25:17

I do feel like lucky that I've been in person

25:20

that has had friendships throughout life

25:22

that have lasted. But there's been a couple that

25:24

other people have been like, I don't know about that person. And

25:27

I've always been the type that's like, I'll figure it out, Like

25:29

if they're crazy, I'll figure it out. And I have figured

25:31

out that a few people are crazy, not

25:34

that they're like creating a fake person and

25:36

texting me if that's bizarre.

25:38

But your gut always kind of like tells you,

25:40

yeah.

25:40

The just sometimes you don't see it, Tilly, and you're like, oh,

25:43

come to think of it, I did have this weird feeling

25:45

that I don't really listen to it just

25:47

you know, sometimes wanting to believe the best in people,

25:50

or if you've been slowly

25:52

manipulated and groomed in a way,

25:54

then you don't see what other people see.

25:58

So JINX is the show? What about

26:00

a book? Are you a big Okay?

26:02

So I'm not the biggest reader. But well

26:05

then let's do a song.

26:06

Okay, a song that I'm really grateful

26:08

for that I've listened to over and over again. Next

26:11

thing, you know, Jordan Davis, and I feel like that song

26:14

once I had my daughter was

26:16

like a different song for me the one

26:18

line about like when he says, uh,

26:21

how you doing their dad? And nobody's ever called you that

26:23

that part just like hits me in the heart so hard.

26:26

That song has a line about

26:28

his child like being seventeen. It

26:30

was seventeen specifically, and I don't think i'd

26:33

ever caught the seventeen part until the other day.

26:35

And that's because last week my daughter turned seventeen.

26:38

And you realize how quickly things

26:40

life goes, you go by, because

26:42

when you're in the moment and there's so much going on, and

26:45

then.

26:45

You're probably like, how do I have a seventeen year old?

26:47

Right? My ex husban and I adopted

26:49

them six years ago. So when

26:51

she got here she was eleven. She's from Haiti, and

26:54

it seemed like just yesterday she

26:56

was eleven and we were celebrating her first birthday

26:58

here in America. And then now she is

27:00

like driving to her birthday

27:02

dinner for seventeen, which is so

27:04

bizarre. Yeah, So that's my encouragement

27:07

to you as a mom, and you'll know, and speaking of

27:09

listening to your guts, what work projects

27:11

should you take on, what meetings should

27:13

you say yes to? And then what moments

27:16

do you need to be, you know, with your family.

27:18

It's at all too like I know it's probably been

27:20

you know, even like traveling when you were in LA

27:22

Like all those little things were decisions that you have to make

27:24

to leave your kids or whatever, or

27:27

take your kids.

27:28

But it is early my husband on Valentine's Day,

27:31

see all that worked out, you

27:34

know, I mean so, I mean that was a thing

27:36

where sometimes it would come up, like work got

27:39

in the way of our relationship a lot.

27:41

But I think that that's because early in our marriage,

27:44

I was used to being alone because he was in the Air

27:46

Force and he would deploy sixty

27:48

days at a time. So I

27:51

became very independent in our

27:53

relationship. And I take

27:56

responsibility for sometimes probably being

27:58

a little too independent because I would sort of had

28:00

this inner dialogue with myself of

28:02

like, oh, well, I was just here by myself

28:04

and doing all this stuff. Of course, I mean I'm building it up, and

28:06

you kind of get in that routine and you're

28:08

trying to take care of yourself and distract yourself. That

28:10

even when he would come home, I would sort

28:13

of continue that and sort

28:15

of shut myself off so that way it wasn't as hard

28:17

for when he would leave the next time for

28:19

six or seven years, like he was going to war

28:22

every two months, And that's hard, and

28:24

so I take responsibility for

28:26

my part in that. But you're

28:28

still in a young marriage

28:31

too, and especially adding the kids. So

28:34

I don't think I could have acknowledged that early on. I

28:36

can see it now. But if

28:38

you dip into any patterns, just being

28:40

able to recognize them or at least receive them

28:42

and communicating about them, like, Hey, is

28:45

there anything you're noticing that I'm doing that we

28:47

could work on, and then you have an opportunity

28:49

in a safe space where it's like I'm asking,

28:52

like I want to know what you're

28:54

perceiving from our relationship, and

28:56

then you can both share and

28:59

then try to move together instead

29:01

of just brushing it under the rug. How

29:03

do y'all stay connected and make sure you're

29:05

on top of things?

29:17

How do y'all stay connected and make sure

29:19

you're on top of things?

29:21

He is very good at

29:23

like communicating better than I am. I'm the

29:25

kind of person I think that like I

29:27

can kind of sweep a little under the rug

29:29

too, maybe or just like think like, oh, this

29:31

doesn't bother me, Like I'll deal with it later. And

29:33

then it really is bothering me, or I

29:35

don't like love to talk through like a situation like I feeluncomfortable

29:38

a little bit in conflict and he is

29:40

like, let's talk through it right now. That always

29:42

makes me feel uncomfortable, but it always

29:45

is better. So I don't know how he got to

29:47

be really good at that, but he would be our

29:49

strong suit in that aspect.

29:52

Yeah. I think sometimes when you're

29:54

encounter relationships with people where they

29:56

are and I don't know what you are either way,

29:58

but just thinking of anxious avoidant

30:01

or like secure people, and sometimes when

30:03

they're you're in a relationship whether it's a friend

30:06

or a romantic one where it's like they're secure, You're

30:08

like, well, I don't know what to do with this. I'm

30:10

used to a little more drama than this, like what's

30:12

up?

30:12

Little dramas like spicy in a good way,

30:14

right, But relationship with experts will say like, hey,

30:16

if sometimes it seems a little bit boring, that's okay.

30:19

It just means you potentially, I guess

30:22

speaking particularly to attachment

30:24

styles not other things, but it may

30:26

be okay, and you actually should

30:29

pay attention to that and embrace it because

30:31

you might be with a secure person,

30:34

which is good. We're just not used to that.

30:36

And I think it depends how you grew up, too, Like if you grew

30:38

up having like a little bit more conflict or like

30:41

you said, like sweeping things another rug, you naturally

30:43

just do that because that's how you're comfortable.

30:46

Avoid avoid avoid. Yeah, my parents

30:48

were very they avoided a lot and not very emotionally

30:50

available. Just weird because I let all my

30:52

emotions out. I never saw my mom cry once,

30:55

and I mean she went through some really hard things that I never

30:57

saw it. Are you a crier?

30:58

I am a private crier,

31:01

if that makes sense.

31:02

Yes, I don't want my mom too.

31:03

Yeah, like cry in front of people, I will, though, I

31:05

mean sometimes it just happens. But

31:08

like a big thing for me is like when people go to

31:10

the airport, Like I hate going to the airport because

31:12

I just cry because.

31:14

I hate like when people leave.

31:16

We don't have any family here, and so for

31:18

me, like everyone comes to town, it's always like a little bit

31:20

intense because they're either in the house or whatever,

31:22

and they leave, and I feel like I don't know

31:24

when the next time I'm going to see them is I don't know that's like always

31:26

a hard place for me. The older I

31:29

get, the more I'm feeling comfortable crying in

31:31

front of people, and the more I'm.

31:32

Crying in front of people.

31:33

Is there a song on your new record that brings

31:35

up emotion or tears?

31:37

The song Confessionals like makes me feel

31:39

emotional. I wrote it during COVID and

31:42

my first relationship. I

31:45

really struggled getting over it when of my friends

31:47

started dating him, and so I had to like hang with

31:50

them, and I was like trying to be mature,

31:52

like it didn't work out with us, might work out with them.

31:54

I'm not going to stop to people from being in love if they're in

31:56

love whatever. But it was hard, and so that

31:59

song is like confessing that you're still not with

32:01

somebody that you're not with anymore.

32:03

So it's obmitting. Yeah, I think we all

32:05

have our cry songs, at least I do. Or

32:07

if I put it on, I know I'm guaranteed to cry and you

32:09

get in my car. Well, ironically,

32:11

it's a great day to be alive. I was in college

32:14

and it was probably my sophomore year,

32:17

and my boyfriend broke up with me,

32:19

and I just remember being in the shower

32:22

listening to that song on repeat, like on the shower

32:24

floor crying. And so now anytime

32:26

I hear it, it evokes that emotion,

32:29

not because I miss him. So this is

32:31

probably over twenty years ago, but

32:33

to this day, when I hear that song, like I feel

32:36

the emotion, Like that's one where I could

32:38

get in the car. I don't just like start

32:40

crying right away when I hear it, but.

32:42

But you can feel like the emotion come out.

32:43

I feel the emotion, and if I needed to cry, I can go

32:46

get in my car and go for a drive and put on

32:48

It's a great day to be you know.

32:49

It's crazy, is like for when I'm acting all

32:51

sometimes I like listen to a song because like it's hard

32:53

to just cry on command on a set or.

32:55

Like in front of a bunch of people.

32:56

But like music or like pictures

32:59

or whatever, like I feel like that really can like take your

33:01

emotions up and take you back to that place.

33:03

So I'll use like songs to try to

33:05

get emotional on purpose on set.

33:08

Have you ever had to do a take multiple

33:10

times and you're like, what, I just got

33:12

the tears and now I have to do it again?

33:15

Yes, or like the thing that always is

33:17

funny to me, is like you're getting emotional

33:20

and somebody on set.

33:20

Will be like are you good? You good, and you're like,

33:23

yes, I'm acting, and you're wrecking it because

33:25

you're like taking me out of it. I'm

33:28

like, sing, it is part of my job. I

33:30

always think that's like so funnier.

33:31

Makeup will come up and like try to fix it and you're like

33:33

no, like the tears are I want the tears

33:35

this time.

33:37

Have you seen Roman Holiday with Audrey Hepburn, No,

33:39

I haven't, Okay, we had to watch it on the show. It's

33:41

like an assignment. We have this like movie Cinema

33:43

club where everybody submits movies and

33:46

we spin it on a wheel and whatever lands

33:48

and we have to watch. And Eddie on our show

33:50

he always submits old movies, like he loves

33:52

black and white film, and so we're always dreading it.

33:54

Roman Holiday was one where I thought, oh, this is

33:56

actually really good, and I started reading about

33:59

the movie afterwards because I was very

34:01

drawn to Audrey Hepburn and

34:03

her character and there's this scene

34:06

where she needed to cry and

34:08

when I was reading about it later, like

34:10

she couldn't get it down and

34:13

the director was so mad at her,

34:15

like he screamed her face off, but

34:17

then ultimately that's what made her cry,

34:20

and then she was able to nail the scene. I

34:22

mean, he basically said to her. I'm paraphrasing,

34:24

but she was like wasting everybody's time, and

34:27

then she felt bad for wasting everybody's time, and

34:29

he made her feel so horrible. I don't know if that was his

34:31

plan all along. It kind of seemed like I'm sure so

34:34

I'm not quite sure his methods, but

34:36

that's how they eventually got to take.

34:39

Sometimes, like doing a crying scene

34:41

fifty times, it's like I

34:43

can't cry fifty times.

34:45

In a row.

34:46

I've always wondered dating an

34:48

actor would be hard, because if you can cry

34:50

on command, then I wonder

34:53

sometimes you know something's happening,

34:55

and they're like, well if I just cry right now, that'll

34:58

helpful of this, and then maybe they make them helse cry.

35:00

Like if someone's just really like that's their party trick,

35:02

you know, like your party trick is playing an instrument,

35:05

yeh, and like shocking people like, oh yeah,

35:07

I can do the violin two or whatever, but crying

35:09

on command, like that's their thing, then I just don't know

35:12

that I could ever be able to trust when they're crying or

35:14

not, or dating any actor for that matter.

35:16

Have you being an actress, have you dated

35:18

actors? My ex before

35:20

this was an actor, Okay, did you ever wonder if he was like

35:22

acting?

35:23

I feel like I could tell. I could tell the difference.

35:25

But when I first started dating Jake, it was very hard

35:28

for him to date an actor, just like with kissing scenes

35:30

and all that kind of stuff. So his

35:33

perspective, I think, was it was pretty hard

35:35

to date somebody who he didn't know that world at

35:37

all.

35:37

I kind of grew up in it.

35:38

So it's like if my ex had to

35:40

kiss somebody's I felt comfortable with it,

35:42

which is very odd.

35:43

To say, but I did.

35:44

What is a kissing scene like with someone

35:47

that you're not I've dating?

35:49

I mean, I've done kissing scenes in sex scenes

35:51

and it's wild, but like you get comfy

35:53

with it. The thing is like there's so many people in

35:56

the room, so it's there's nothing romantic

35:58

about it at all. I did a kissing scene

36:00

like where I was on a Western and the guy had

36:03

chewing tobacco in his mouth, and I was just like, really,

36:06

yeah, he was in character, but I'm like, can you be a little

36:08

lessing character? But they're

36:10

not my favorite scenes to film. I feel a little uncomfortable,

36:13

just like having sixty usually

36:16

men, like with cameras in your face, like

36:18

while you're doing that. Yeah.

36:20

N Hathaway was in the news the other day because she was

36:22

talking about how for one audition for something

36:24

like she had already been cast as a character, but they were auditioning

36:26

whoever's gonna play the part, and

36:29

I think it was like ten different guys came in

36:31

and they expected her to kiss every single

36:33

guy and she's like, mom, that

36:35

would be very difficult.

36:37

And another thing that's really weird. And I was listening

36:39

to do you ever listen to the SmartLess podcast?

36:41

They talk about like they don't tell

36:43

you if you're supposed to like kiss with

36:46

tongue or not, which is so weird, Like some people do,

36:48

some people don't, And it's like this weird thing

36:50

that nobody talks about in acting. And

36:53

for me, it's like I never do, but some

36:55

people do. And it's always

36:57

scary to know, like are we doing

36:59

this?

37:00

So even with your your co host that you're having

37:02

the kissing scene with, like beforehand you're

37:04

not like, hey, so are

37:07

you tongue?

37:09

Like it's like so.

37:10

Weird, or you just go for it.

37:12

You just like see what happens, See what happens.

37:14

And like the first time Jake did, he

37:16

was on Nashville and he had a kissing scene. He's like,

37:18

so like do we do tongue or like no tongue? And

37:21

I was like, I think for a guy, lean

37:24

towards no tongue. If the girl decides

37:26

that's what she's going to introduce, then whatever.

37:29

Which is a weird conversation to have with your husband about

37:31

doing that with somebody else. But it's just like this unspoken

37:33

thing that everyone feels so weird.

37:35

About, but it seems simple to me, like you

37:37

could speak about it like before it happens,

37:40

just like what are we going to do?

37:42

But it's weird, like you say, like are we using

37:44

tongue? Like I don't know, it's just so weird.

37:47

Or when you're reading your lines or you're

37:49

doing a table read or something, are you like

37:51

okay, and here's the kissing part, So how are we going to

37:53

do this? Yeah? I

37:55

feel like the director.

37:56

Usually is like a little bit more passion guys, And

37:58

then you're like, oh tongue, I.

38:00

Would be nervous if I was an

38:02

actor for some scenes like

38:04

kissing. Okay, fine, but like you said, some scenes

38:07

are far more intimate than that, and be

38:09

thinking about my parents seeing it.

38:10

So do you ever think that I've my parents

38:13

or specifically my in laws. I don't love

38:15

that when they watch it. My parents are like,

38:17

I think they just like joke about it. They don't really care.

38:20

But I always feel like bad if my husband's

38:22

mom is watching it, and like, I don't

38:24

know, this is a weird feeling, especially

38:26

the sex scenes.

38:27

Yeah.

38:28

Well, speaking of partnerships like that, something

38:30

fun that you have coming up later this year is you're

38:32

co hosting the Canada CMAS

38:35

with Thomas Rhett.

38:36

Yes, I'm so excited. I've only met him a couple

38:38

of times, but he has always been super, super

38:40

sweet and supportive.

38:42

When it comes to people that you have worked with,

38:44

like it's their one person

38:47

or artists with it. Like maybe you've even worked just on a video

38:49

like you did Jacoen's videos.

38:51

Plural right, just the one video. Oh just

38:54

Jack and Dianne, Oh Jack and Diane.

38:55

Okay, so you did the video with Jaco

38:57

and you obviously have the song with Dustin Lynch

39:00

during this time. It's right, you have other experiences

39:02

where you've worked with a lot of other people, Like do you have a favorite

39:04

moment or person that you've enjoyed working alongside?

39:07

Oh my gosh.

39:07

Well, obviously Dustin and I had a huge history

39:10

with the song, but I went on tour

39:12

with Walker Hayes and he

39:14

has been such like a supportive

39:17

person in my life and his family. That

39:19

tour was kind of cool how that like came

39:22

to be because I just again texted

39:24

him and was like, hey, I heard you were going on tour,

39:26

Like if you need an opening act, like I'm your girl with

39:28

a joke like winky face. And

39:30

he three days later called me and he's like, hey,

39:33

nobody else texted me direct and like

39:35

you should always ask for what you want because sometimes

39:38

you get it, and like come on tour with me, because.

39:40

That was cool that you like just asked for.

39:42

It, And for me, that was like a really special

39:44

moment and like a good learning lesson for me to be like

39:46

again, if you put yourself out

39:49

there and ask, then something cool could happen.

39:51

Shoot your shot, Yeah might as well. I mean it's

39:53

not gonna happen if you don't and be okay

39:55

if the answers no, but.

39:57

And answer is mostly no, but

40:00

the yes could change things big

40:02

time. People know unless you go for it. Which Walker

40:05

is amazing. He actually he sings the theme song

40:07

for my podcast.

40:08

He's such a great guy

40:10

and like I texted in pictures of my daughter

40:12

and I don't know, he's just really really kind.

40:14

Well, we'll close with the final piece

40:16

of gratitude. We never got to the fourth thing, which

40:19

would be food or drink that you're thankful

40:21

for.

40:21

Right now wine because I don't like get

40:23

to have that that often because I'm breastfeeding

40:26

and because I was pregnant, so like the odd

40:28

sip of wine I get.

40:29

I'm just like praise and coffee.

40:31

Have you done a pump and dump yet?

40:33

I did the like test.

40:34

Strips and it did come back

40:36

showing alcohol and when I did

40:38

it, so I had to dump that. But no,

40:40

I had just been like, I need to figure that out.

40:42

I need to dump and pump more.

40:45

Red or white?

40:46

Red?

40:46

Red?

40:46

What are you are you?

40:47

Oh?

40:48

Red? Red?

40:48

Yeah? Yeh. I used to be white in my late

40:51

twenties. I feel like now

40:53

when I drink like pino grigio

40:55

is what I used to get all the time, and I actually tried

40:57

to do that recently and I did not feel good

41:00

the next day. I feel like anytime I

41:02

do drink, I have to take an unbooze

41:04

pillow. You'll need these, Okay.

41:07

So Ray who works on the Bobby

41:09

Bone Show, he has a code. I think it's like Susan

41:13

Pray or something. I get that. I use

41:15

his code, but he saves ten percent. But

41:17

it's used to be called undo the Booze,

41:20

but they just rebranded to I think, just unbooze.

41:23

And it's these herbal supplements

41:25

that you take after you drink,

41:28

so at the end of the night you would pop

41:30

your supplements and then supposedly

41:32

when you wake up the next day.

41:34

Oh okay, you feel better.

41:36

My supplements are usually like pop a couple time and

41:38

all, but right prefer to do something natural.

41:41

And this isn't even for me. It's not like I've had

41:43

a lot to drink. Like it's like one marguerite and I'm

41:45

like, unbooze it. I don't want to do

41:47

everything to be as proactive as possible

41:50

to not feel Why.

41:51

Does it get harder when we get older, Like.

41:53

When we get older, everything gets more difficult.

41:56

So but you know you

41:58

still have some time. I'm you

42:00

know, you've got a lot of things going on right now

42:03

to keep you motivated, to keep you moving

42:05

and going. And I think one day you're going to like

42:07

sit back and be like, wow, I did a lot of

42:09

things which is really inspiring. And I

42:11

think to a lot of people, and I know you have a

42:13

lot of fans, especially young women that

42:15

are looking up to you. So I just wanted

42:17

to encourage you to keep being the amazing role

42:19

model that you are and keep shooting your shot with

42:21

things and be a bison, which

42:24

I means perfect representation. You don't have to ask your

42:26

family. Are they still in the bison cattle business?

42:28

Yep, yep, so that so they do for a living.

42:30

You'll have to yeah, see if your parents

42:33

know that.

42:33

And I've never heard it, but I love it, like I love the

42:35

idea of walking into the storm

42:38

instead of waiting for it to pass, because I

42:40

do feel like it.

42:41

Yeah, it lasts longer if you don't

42:43

face it on.

42:44

Yeah, you a suck at the time, but you'll

42:46

eventually you'll get through it like a lot faster. So

42:49

I encourage y'all to check out McKenzie's

42:51

new Apple and it's called Nobody's Born with a

42:54

Broken Heart. And then on Instagram you're just at

42:56

McKenzie Porter, mackenzie P Music, McKenzie

42:58

P Music. Okay, well, we're super

43:01

excited for this new music and

43:03

for all that you have in store, and I can't wait

43:05

to see you back again when you maybe have

43:08

other projects, other babies, same

43:10

husband, all the other things. Okay,

43:12

thank you again, Thank you so much.