0:00

Elliot. A little bit later on the

0:02

podcast will talk about all the hockey

0:04

from Thursday night and all the news

0:06

and the games from Wednesday as well.

0:09

and talk about the weekend. But the

0:11

big story the day is Bob Cole

0:13

or who we lost passed away the

0:15

age of ninety, began his career it

0:18

Cbc Radio in eighteen, Sixty Nine, Transition,

0:20

a television and nineteen Seventy Three and

0:22

wrapped up in two thousand and Nineteen.

0:24

And between those years there about a

0:27

million memories. Elliott, You and I are

0:29

basically the same vintage. We're born right

0:31

around the same time we grew up

0:33

listening to Bob Cole. All of our

0:36

early memories of hockey involve that voice.

0:38

Am I a chance on the radio

0:40

show today? It's harder to a number

0:42

of people. Harry Neil, Dick Irvin, Cassie

0:45

Campbell, Pascual Run Maclean, John Davidson Mark

0:47

Our Skin I'm sure you've talked to

0:49

a plenty of people as of one

0:51

shares their stories and memories of Bob

0:54

Cole. but I'll just open the floor

0:56

to you. And by the way, great

0:58

piece You are Sportsnet.say about Bob. Call

1:00

your thoughts on the legend or

1:02

is Mark asking cause I'm the

1:04

goat. While. He is

1:07

the go that's a the true and

1:09

the great nickname. He is the goats

1:11

very emotional day. Jeff As you can

1:13

imagine for a lot of people and

1:15

I think the great thing about Bob

1:17

Cole. Was. That it didn't

1:19

matter if you knew him like some of

1:21

us in the business did. You.

1:23

Felt like you knew him. Bob

1:26

Cole was either a friend or

1:28

coworker. Or. He was somebody

1:31

that. Was. The voice of

1:33

your lifetime. He described hockey to

1:35

you. And. Even if you didn't

1:38

know him personally, you felt you knew

1:40

him because you knew one of his

1:42

calls are you knew everything is app

1:44

adding or there was some catchphrase of

1:47

is that you loved are there was

1:49

some great hockey moment. That. He

1:51

described to you. So everyone felt

1:54

like they knew him regardless of

1:56

if they did. Or. They

1:58

didn't. Ah, I'm. Gotta

2:01

node in the morning from someone saying.

2:03

That. They were hearing things. Ah,

2:06

Asked around not too much but it

2:08

was more like I wanted to make

2:10

sure that people at our place who

2:13

needed to know new. As.

2:15

So they could be prepared for it in

2:17

case it was true. I

2:20

thought Jeff Worthy of Motion really

2:22

hit me. was. When. We

2:24

do our shows. Any. Of

2:26

the features that are done in advance, I

2:28

never want to look at them. I

2:30

want to react to them live.

2:33

Now. Not everyone's life me tell he likes

2:35

to watch them in advance run the plane.

2:38

Likes. To watch The move. Vance. everybody

2:40

has different rules but for this one,

2:42

I wish I had watched it in

2:44

advance because when we came on air

2:47

at seven o'clock for Lightning Panthers, I

2:49

saw that thing for the first time.

2:52

And. At the end it came up.

2:54

Bob Cole Nineteen Thirty Three To Two

2:56

Thousand and Twenty Four I almost lost

2:59

it. It was A. I wasn't. Prepared.

3:02

For it and just and or of

3:04

seeing it and you're in My family

3:06

Jeff We've been through a lot with

3:08

death. And I was

3:10

introduced to it out of very

3:12

young age so my skin got

3:15

sicker. At a very young age.

3:17

Via professionally.

3:19

Fortunately, He.

3:22

Oh, we haven't had to deal with that

3:24

a lot with the people that we've worked

3:26

with. so this was very new. And.

3:29

Adjust site there were some text teens. That

3:32

went around. On. Thursday.

3:35

Just. Heard people talking about how hard

3:38

it had some one because like a

3:40

lot of people, we love Bob. But

3:42

also you think about your work

3:44

group. And. Now could

3:46

be affected. I think you

3:49

was. I think it was a very emotional day.

3:51

There were some. Tax. Reminiscing like

3:53

to thing for me about Bob

3:55

is. The. Times with him because

3:58

the time. Of. my life

4:00

it was, those were some of the greatest days of

4:02

my life. I arrived to hockey in Canada,

4:04

I was 33 years old.

4:06

You know, it's

4:10

such a, as you know, it's such an honor

4:12

to work here, to help

4:14

broadcast hockey to

4:17

fans. It's

4:19

the biggest stage in the sport

4:23

and Bob was a big part of that because

4:26

we worked on the same broadcast teams quite

4:28

a bit together and like

4:30

I said I think for a lot of

4:32

people who were part of

4:34

this group it was, it was

4:39

very emotional, very emotional and I

4:41

would also say Jeff there were

4:43

people who kept closer with

4:46

Bob than I did and for

4:48

them it was especially difficult.

4:51

You know, I share your your feeling

4:53

about experiencing death quite young in your

4:55

family. I went through the same thing

4:57

when my mother passed, when

4:59

I was quite young and just some hockey

5:03

hung in there with me at the

5:05

darkest time of my life and Bob

5:07

Cole was that voice and I was

5:09

glad that on the panel on Thursday

5:12

Kelly talked about his experiences

5:14

as a player and brought

5:16

up the Easter epic and it's one of

5:18

those where were you when. I can

5:20

still remember exactly where I was, my

5:23

friend's house party and baby point in

5:25

the west end of Toronto, everyone was

5:27

downstairs partying and I was up in

5:29

the top floor watching that game listening

5:31

to the great call and Kelly

5:33

was recounting it on Thursday with you guys on

5:35

the panel and one of

5:37

the things that really struck me

5:39

was how lucky

5:42

a lot of these hockey players

5:45

have been. You know, as I

5:47

mentioned Bob started at Hockey Night in 1973, before that

5:49

he was at CBC Radio,

5:52

had a great call of 72 by

5:55

the way the Henderson goal with

5:57

respect to Foster Hewitt and Bob's

5:59

call. was better

6:01

than Foster Hewitt's. But

6:04

I thought about all the players and all those

6:06

great moments. And one of the things that we

6:08

tend to overlook or not think about is in

6:11

these great moments that these players have,

6:15

they had someone who was

6:17

just as great making that

6:19

moment. You can have the

6:21

greatest play in the world and you just

6:23

hope as a player that whoever's

6:26

calling it makes it even

6:28

bigger than it is. And

6:30

I think all of us thought back to some

6:32

of the great plays and the great calls and

6:35

on Thursday on the show you mentioned the

6:37

76th game between the Red Army and the

6:40

Philadelphia Flyers. Yes. That was

6:42

a great booth with Bob Cole and

6:44

Dick Erv and Danny Potts. That's basically

6:46

my first memory watching hockey. Yeah, you

6:48

mentioned that. I thought that was so

6:50

beautiful the way you talked about that.

6:52

And I thought about, you know, in

6:55

what we presented on Thursday there was, you know,

6:57

smiling Joe Sakhic and how many great, and we

6:59

think of 2002, how

7:01

many great Joe Sakhic moments Bob

7:04

Cole called. And I go back

7:06

to the Mario

7:09

Lemieux goal on the Minnesota Nurse Stars

7:11

where he dances, Sean Chambers and Neil

7:13

Wilkinson. And he's just consumed with

7:15

emotion and a perfect call comes

7:18

out of it. Like that made

7:20

that moment for Mario Lemieux and

7:22

hockey even bigger because the

7:24

call was so brilliant. But I'll tell you, Elliot,

7:27

there's one that I came back to

7:29

today and I've watched, I can't remember,

7:31

more than a dozen times because

7:34

the call is so perfect and it's one

7:36

of the most emotional moments that

7:38

we've seen in this past generation of hockey. It's 2014.

7:40

It is the New York Rangers

7:45

and the Pittsburgh Penguins. It's on

7:47

Mother's Day. It's Marty St.

7:49

Louis after his mother had passed away. And

7:52

he scores that goal and

7:54

Bob Cole is, you know, overcome with

7:56

emotion. And then

7:59

he says... you've come through

8:01

big time and Elliott

8:04

is so perfect

8:07

wrapping in hockey

8:09

and family and tragedy

8:13

and grace and understanding

8:16

and pride and

8:18

it all comes in like six

8:21

words from the

8:23

obstacle he was so economical

8:25

and so perfect and I

8:28

think that Sometimes because I've

8:30

worked booth a few times and it's very

8:32

very hard And I

8:34

have a lot of respect for everybody that does it

8:37

the thing that I loved about Bob

8:39

was that he spoke to the emotion of

8:41

the game at the time and Didn't

8:44

get bogged down in Names

8:47

and numbers and trying to cram everything

8:49

in the game Breathe

8:51

the game was allowed to have a

8:54

breath when Bob called the Iran McLean

8:57

Always talked about how Bob didn't call the

8:59

game. He sang the game I mean Bob

9:01

was a symphony Bob was melodies rising and

9:04

melodies falling and rising again And like

9:06

that was that was Bob Cole and I

9:08

keep coming back to the players at

9:11

how lucky all these players were from

9:13

1973 to 2019

9:16

that for all their great moments They

9:19

had someone who made their moments even

9:21

greater They all

9:23

true Jeff great stuff Nobody

9:25

read the crowd and rode the

9:27

emotion of the crowd better and

9:30

I would also say God

9:32

help you if you did one of two things Number

9:36

one gave him the wrong pronunciation of

9:38

a player's name You

9:40

were doomed and if the players said I

9:42

didn't care Bob would say how do your

9:45

parents say it and? Or

9:48

if you talked during play That

9:51

was a whistle to whistle

9:53

that was Bob's time You

9:56

could do whatever you wanted outside

9:59

of that But whistle to

10:01

whistle was Bob's time. And I never

10:03

worked as an analyst sitting next to

10:05

Bob, but those that did, they

10:08

knew that if they

10:10

started talking during play, they

10:12

were getting the Heisman. He would

10:14

put his hand up in their face and

10:17

say, not now. Didn't

10:20

say it, but you knew what he meant.

10:22

Just, you know, it's just,

10:25

you know, I really like to think

10:27

of these days I

10:30

remember when when Joe Louis, the famous

10:32

boxer died, I

10:36

believe whoever was doing the eulogy

10:38

asked the audience to clap because

10:41

he wanted everyone

10:44

to think about Joe Louis positively.

10:46

I've always remembered that story. And

10:50

so today when I

10:52

think of Bob Cole, I

10:54

smile and I laugh. And I

10:56

think of all his great calls and all the fun

10:58

moments. But like I said earlier, I think

11:00

it was a heavy day for

11:03

a lot of his coworkers, including, as I said,

11:05

people who were closer than I was because

11:08

he was such

11:10

a massive, massive presence on

11:12

the show. And it's just a reminder that

11:15

all of us are getting older. He

11:19

made hockey better. Condonces to

11:21

the family and friends of Bob

11:23

Cole. He's

11:30

got 180 pounds of his own fall. And

11:32

he's got the softball tag. He's

11:35

got the power of the powerhouse.

11:49

Okay, welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast

11:51

presented by the GMC Sierra elevation, Jeff

11:53

Merrick, Elliot Friedman, Dom Shramati, along with

11:55

you. And Elliot, two teams have their

11:57

backs against the wall. leave

12:01

it all on the ice, no tomorrow

12:03

for the Tampa Bay Lightning and New

12:05

York Islanders. Florida beats the Tampa Bay

12:07

Lightning 5-3 on Matthew Kachuk's

12:09

empty net goal and

12:12

the Carolina Hurricanes have the Islanders back up

12:14

against the wall courtesy of a tremendous game

12:16

by Fredrik Anderson. We're gonna get there in

12:18

a second. They grab a 3-0

12:20

series lead and have a take

12:25

a good dent and take a good chunk out

12:27

of the Islanders net minding in the process. Meanwhile

12:29

we'll start with the Battle of Florida

12:31

and we are close to seeing a

12:33

changing of that state's guard. The four

12:36

Panthers with a 3-0 series lead.

12:40

Holy smokes Elliott, could the Tampa

12:42

Bay Lightning actually get swept here?

12:46

I never would have imagined it. There was

12:48

a note from one of our producers after

12:50

the two games were over on Thursday night.

12:52

He said the Eastern Conference playoffs could be

12:54

over by Tuesday. What

12:57

a sobering thought that

12:59

is. Sobering. I

13:02

wouldn't have believed it Jeff. I didn't I

13:04

don't think that any I never go into

13:06

the playoffs thinking there's gonna be a sweep.

13:08

Never. No matter how many points

13:10

there are between say a one

13:12

seed and eight seed or anything like that.

13:15

I never believe there's gonna be a sweep

13:17

in the playoffs and we could get three

13:19

of them in the Eastern Conference. This

13:22

series Bobrovsky has

13:25

been huge. He made another

13:27

10-bell save in

13:29

game number three on Matt

13:31

Dumba. Matt Dumba is

13:34

gonna be having nightmares of this guy

13:36

all summer. All summer. And

13:41

again it's kind of like we've talked about

13:43

a couple of these other series like Carolina

13:45

Islanders in the sense that

13:47

Florida is just a little bit better.

13:50

And you know the guys who I'm

13:52

really happy for after game number three

13:54

are Kyle Pozzo And

13:57

Stephen Lorentz. These

14:00

guys are only in the line up

14:02

because one. Ryan. Lomborg is

14:04

sick and to Sam Bennett is

14:06

hurt. And. I majored it

14:09

on the broadcast. there was a Raptors

14:11

head coach Daryl Walker. he was the

14:13

second, had goats and Raptors history and

14:15

we did not get along but he

14:17

always had one saying. And. That

14:19

is. one man's injury is another

14:21

man's opportunity. He was. He always

14:23

said that. Every time there

14:26

was an injury that would be as

14:28

light as a matter of fact was

14:30

after one voice we started just asking

14:32

him about injuries. to get him say

14:34

that line by. such as those two

14:37

guys Lawrence and a poser light singapore

14:39

of Pozo, it's pretty incredible when you

14:41

really put it to your head. He

14:44

leaves the islanders. Is. In

14:46

the Plows in two Thousand and Sixteen. Second

14:48

last playoff game that year which was against

14:50

Tampa. he has a goal. A

14:52

signs a seven year deal in Buffalo. When.

14:55

You sign that deal, There

14:57

is no way there's anything

14:59

in your mind. Jeff. That.

15:02

You're not gonna be in the playoffs

15:04

for eight years. Is. Taken all

15:07

of this is gonna be great up

15:09

and coming teens, new home. The a

15:11

up to when you sign a contract

15:13

like that. That. It's gonna be

15:15

eight years until you make the plows.

15:17

It is completely foreign to you and

15:19

he gets in and he gets an

15:21

assist and. You. Know Lorenz had a

15:23

huge game as well. your could suck scores

15:26

twice for Brodsky makes the big save but

15:28

deadline that was A That was a huge

15:30

difference maker. It's in game three and you

15:32

know when you go on the road. You're

15:35

not going to get the favorable matchups. You know

15:37

there's going to be times over there sir where

15:39

your fourth lines going be caught out there. Against

15:42

players they shouldn't be playing against and

15:44

wherever they get off and like that,

15:46

it's a bonus. It's a bonus. Arguments

15:48

that Buffalo Sabres and unites October this

15:51

on the radio show on Thursday. Tyler

15:53

Myers The only active player in the

15:55

Nhl who played in a playoff game

15:57

for the Buffalo Sabres. If you're looking

16:00

for sobering thought Elliott now my joy.

16:02

I'm stand or I'd get yeah I

16:04

know wilde raid Tyler Myers The only

16:06

active players who have played in a

16:09

playoff game with the Buffalo Sabres. I'm

16:11

okay. You. Gotta come clean with

16:13

me. Year began to I'll admit it. I'm.

16:16

Willing to bet that anybody who

16:18

watched the game probably thought it

16:21

to. When. Matthew

16:23

to chalk scored the empty net Goal was

16:25

are not a party you the said

16:27

who's comments. I'd

16:29

I did think about that and I

16:32

actually thought the end of that game

16:34

would turn into a much bigger gong

16:36

show I had. I'll is so how

16:38

did I really did you know I

16:40

I I have to see also to

16:42

that I know but Roski made a

16:44

good mayday a good save. But.

16:46

The best goaltender in the games Had

16:49

to sickly was Steven Stamkos close? I

16:51

disagree enough. I. Didn't think it was gonna an

16:53

estate in the plaza. Iger

17:04

said i'm I don't know what's gonna happen year.

17:07

I don't know a it's still

17:09

too soon, but you you watch

17:11

that play. It's still weird to

17:13

me. beyond weird to me to

17:16

think about the possibility of a

17:18

lightning team without Stamkos and. Feel.

17:22

It. As shows how much

17:24

he cares. You know he goes down.

17:26

makes that that's road oxy. That's. A

17:28

load our yard sales and road Augie.

17:32

Iron own. The guys got a big heart

17:34

I mean we already knew that and we

17:36

were reminder that in game three. That.

17:39

Was a hard shot from flood tourists and

17:41

Co vs and I'll or when he ate

17:43

that and when he when he finally did

17:45

get up did you not think he was

17:47

going to the bench? He went in the

17:49

offensive zone I know. I

17:52

know it was. It was incredible.

17:54

easily. I feel that one tomorrow

17:56

Man, males and I the I'm

17:58

sure you've played. The guys before.

18:02

And. I know there's a lot of

18:04

players out there, men and women who kind

18:06

of think this way that if. A

18:09

non goalie goes down to blockers shot

18:11

especially with empty net. You're.

18:13

Supposed to drive it right through them. Or.

18:16

Yeah, he'd even even more am

18:18

I am people do this effort

18:20

is ridiculous and Beer League for

18:22

people to do that. It's a

18:24

joke vice, You know that? There.

18:27

Are players and I don't know of terrorists ankles

18:29

thinking this or not but I would understand if

18:31

he was. They. Think you're going

18:33

to try to block this. You're

18:36

going to regret it. Said a

18:38

bull have a shot to be as my eyes

18:40

I think you'll find that you look at the

18:42

way he was moving in changing his play the

18:44

he's trying to score see as try and he's

18:46

trying i sat game I'll the he's like oh

18:48

free shouted stamkos here. For

18:51

the Panthers, killed off for Tampa Bay

18:53

Powerplays. I was a huge story here.

18:55

but the big story three nothing series

18:57

lead for the Cats. Steven

19:00

Stamkos me only have one remaining games

19:02

that I don't see it on my

19:04

side to finance as even like know

19:06

i classy tampa going. Down for straight, especially

19:08

at home. But I glass I am. I

19:10

a lot on my predictions this year could

19:12

turn out to be very wrong. I just

19:14

I don't see it. I just don't see

19:16

as if I would have told you Florida

19:18

was gonna go up three Nothing would you

19:20

have said? I wouldn't believe that either. Like

19:23

a Cylon are, my predictions this year are

19:25

atrocious. Okay Carolina Hurricanes

19:27

three the New York Islanders to

19:29

and the star of the show

19:31

was Freddie and since early of

19:33

completely rob know a Dobson and

19:35

you think wow he can do

19:38

better than that and then the

19:40

third Alexander Romanov gets robbed by

19:42

Fred he Anderson as well and

19:44

in between Anderson awesome the Hurricanes

19:46

chasing Ilya Sorokin three goals and

19:48

thirteen shots income Semyon Varlamov again

19:51

doesn't matter Three to was the

19:53

final score and now the Islanders

19:55

with. Their backs against the wall for

19:57

each. I would say the most shocking thing

19:59

for me about this game was Sorokin. There's.

20:03

A really good goaltender their a

20:05

potentially gray gotten her? They're totally.

20:08

But. This is now a summer project for

20:10

the Islanders. This. Is

20:12

now a player that.

20:15

And. He's gotta one of

20:17

the best teachers of all time. You

20:19

couldn't get a better teacher than batch

20:21

of was but this is now a

20:23

goaltender who you have to say Ilya.

20:26

Ah, This is Varlamov Net

20:28

for as long as we're gonna go

20:31

here and you're going to work on

20:33

your game in practice. And.

20:35

That's all you can do or even

20:37

before practice he bought their with no

20:40

box and and work on your net

20:42

to those goals the second goal in

20:44

particular the third goal. Were

20:46

rough. You can have

20:48

any issue with while pulling him. When

20:51

they did, By. It's been

20:53

shocking to me. And. The

20:55

O two months ago when I said I

20:57

thought the others were gonna make the plows

21:00

Glad they're bet the best goaltending of all

21:02

the teams on that bubble I didn't think

21:04

that was one predicted that worked out. Without

21:06

even intending it to work out because

21:08

I was talking about not i'm sorry

21:11

what him and not Varlamov fights over

21:13

lamb of came in he settled them

21:15

down the a chance to win. Or.

21:17

Least high and as you said

21:20

or Anderson who's been fantastic in

21:22

these players are shut them down.

21:24

I'm a less surprised of a

21:26

three nothing lead in this series

21:29

that I am in the Tampa

21:31

Florida Series, but again I still

21:33

don't see the Islanders going down

21:35

without a fight. And.

21:38

But this one is been more

21:40

predictable. Carolina is just a little

21:43

bit better even without to a

21:45

key players Now Tashi and Fost.

21:48

Ah, there's still. A little

21:50

bit better and this series has shown that.

21:53

could sign on for the anderson here

21:55

he was tremendous again three the eyes

21:57

he's he's he's been phenomenal i'm it

22:00

in the sense that I think

22:02

people were expecting to see Kachetkov

22:04

at some point. Just because

22:06

Anderson missed a lot of the year and

22:09

he's you know you're always very protective

22:11

of him but you

22:14

know I I think now you're going for

22:16

your sweep and then you can just give him the

22:18

time off if you have to. I

22:21

I don't see why you'd make that

22:23

switch now. We should also mention Fost.

22:25

Yeah. You know I watched

22:28

the Bally's interview in the pregame and

22:30

Trip Tracy is doing the

22:32

interview with with Brynden Moore and when Brynden

22:34

Moore says that Fost could

22:36

be out for the year you know you

22:38

could tell Trip was not expecting that answer.

22:40

The look on his face. He was stunned

22:42

and it because if you go back to

22:46

right before the playoffs Don

22:48

Waddell in his regular season ending

22:50

address you know he indicated that

22:53

they didn't think it was that bad

22:56

but obviously they found something

22:58

between then and now that

23:01

indicated he's he's going to

23:03

be out for the year. Pesci they're much

23:05

more optimistic. I don't

23:08

think his situation is anywhere near as

23:11

dire. It was I think it's kind

23:13

of like a frustrating injury in

23:15

the sense that it just takes a little bit

23:17

of time but

23:20

the Fost thing it really blew people

23:22

away. Not only Trip Tracy you heard

23:24

it live and was like are

23:26

you serious? Okay

23:29

we'll park the games here for a couple of moments

23:31

but I want to start with the

23:33

story of a player that everybody has wondered about

23:36

that you wrote about at sportsnet.ca and

23:39

sure made some enemies about at sportsnet.ca

23:41

in the process. William

23:43

Melander and the phantom injury keeping

23:45

him out of the lineup. Well

23:48

it's not a phantom injury it's a

23:50

it's it's a very real injury and

23:52

you know there were a

23:54

lot of people who are unhappy with me on Thursday

23:57

and you know what that's life in the

23:59

big city. You accept the consequences

24:01

of your actions. I knew there was a chance

24:03

that was going to be the case and I

24:05

accept any reactions that are negative.

24:10

I'll be honest. I don't like I don't

24:13

like talking about injuries around the

24:15

playoff because unlike people

24:17

who think that injuries don't get

24:19

targeted. I do think

24:21

injuries get targeted. I

24:24

think it's naive to assume anything different.

24:27

Although I'd like to think that concussions

24:29

are treated differently. This

24:34

one just got out of control. It just

24:37

got out of control and and

24:43

I just think that the amount of

24:46

scrutiny on this particular

24:48

situation squeezed

24:50

it out. And

24:53

you know the thing about Nylander is I

24:55

don't fortunately, I don't have

24:58

a migraine issue but

25:00

there were a lot of people that do. Like

25:03

I do think one thing that happened on

25:05

Thursday is after the story came out. It

25:09

definitely changed a lot of people's

25:11

perception on what was going on.

25:14

Whether or not the Maple Leafs intended for this

25:16

to happen, and I'm pretty sure they didn't, the

25:19

way it was handled turned

25:21

it into a much more clumsy

25:25

story than it needed

25:27

to be and I think now

25:31

that there's some clarity on what he's dealing

25:33

with I think

25:36

there's much more understanding of what the situation

25:38

is. Now, let me just say that I

25:41

still don't think as I wrote it

25:43

that the Maple Leafs were exactly sure

25:46

what the cause of it was but

25:49

everybody kind of knew what the outcome is and

25:51

that was he was dealing with migraines. So we'll

25:54

see if he's able to play on Saturday

25:56

for game number four. I know

25:58

there's a lot of hope he will be. But

26:00

like I said, it's been difficult for

26:02

them to get a handle on what

26:05

they're dealing with. But I

26:07

think at the very least, people

26:09

have a better understanding of this now.

26:11

And it's I

26:14

just think there was a lot of skepticism and it

26:16

was undeserved whether people

26:18

thought he was suspended or

26:21

people thought he was more interested in

26:23

going for 100 points than playing

26:25

in the playoffs, which to me is quite

26:28

frankly ridiculous. I

26:31

just think there's a better understanding of what he's dealing with

26:33

now. Okay, so

26:36

we'll stand by and we'll get to the Boston Toronto

26:38

series here coming up in a couple of moments. Elsewhere

26:41

around the NHL. David

26:43

Quinn fired as head coach of the San

26:45

Jose Sharks. My career general

26:47

manager firing him two days ago. Your

26:50

thoughts on this one? So far, the

26:53

assistants, Elliot still remain. So Ryan

26:55

Wierzowski, Brian Wiseman, Scott Gordon still

26:58

remain with the team. This

27:00

is look,

27:03

look, Jeff, I think everybody has

27:05

kind of a unanimous reaction to

27:08

this. And

27:10

that is that what

27:13

did you expected anyone to do

27:16

better? Yeah. And

27:18

I think Mike Greer acknowledge

27:21

that. I think

27:23

the biggest surprise about

27:26

this situation was

27:28

that when Mike Greer

27:30

came out last Saturday and

27:32

said, you know, hey, we're

27:35

still evaluating the coaching staff and

27:37

indicated that they might not be

27:39

back. I think it caught

27:41

people in that staff by

27:43

surprise. I haven't spoken

27:45

to anyone there yet. I tend

27:48

to try to give people like a little bit

27:50

of room before reaching out and wishing

27:52

the best or asking for comment

27:54

or anything like that. But

27:56

I have heard that that was a thing.

28:00

kind of caught them a bit by surprise, but

28:02

I have heard it caught them a bit by surprise.

28:06

I'm still trying to figure out

28:08

where this is going. One thing

28:10

I absolutely believe, Jeff, is that

28:13

this year, the

28:15

San Jose Sharks went

28:17

from we're in a

28:19

retool to we're in a rebuild. I

28:23

kind of wondered if that resetting

28:25

the clock put

28:29

Quinn in a bad spot. And

28:32

that's one of the things I wonder here. They

28:34

were just like, no, we've got to start all

28:37

over again. I also

28:39

wondered if there's someone specific

28:41

they're talking about. I

28:44

know some people have wondered if they're

28:46

looking about someone young like David Carle.

28:50

Other people thought that maybe they'd

28:52

go to a because of the

28:54

way they didn't defend well this year,

28:56

which also is very much down to

28:58

personnel. They could be

29:00

talking about like a Todd McClellan

29:02

reunion, someone who teaches a strict

29:04

131 that

29:07

maybe teaches them how to play. I

29:09

had some other people who said to me,

29:11

Jeff, they wondered if Ryan Worsofsky, who you

29:13

mentioned a couple of minutes ago and

29:16

was a hot young coaching prospect a

29:18

couple of years ago, could

29:20

be in line for this. So

29:23

I'll admit, I'm still wrapping my head

29:25

around it and trying to figure out

29:27

where the sharks are going here. But

29:30

there's no question that people

29:32

were surprised because A, Quinn

29:35

didn't seem to indicate that they were thinking

29:37

that way. And B,

29:40

people looked at it and said, Scotty

29:43

Bowman wasn't winning this year. So we'll

29:45

see. One

29:47

of the things I also wonder here, and this is

29:49

just my own feeling is, I

29:52

wonder if they're waiting to find out do

29:56

we win the lottery, see

29:58

if we get Macklin-Celabrian. pick

30:01

our coach then. Interesting. So

30:04

the lottery is supposed to be I think

30:06

May 6th or 7th so

30:09

part of me wonders if if

30:12

this is gonna be let's

30:15

see if we get Celibrini and if the

30:17

answer is yes is there a

30:19

kind of coach we're gonna need to help

30:22

bring him to the NHL. You

30:24

know one thing really quietly like I know

30:26

a lot of people checked out on the

30:29

San Jose Sharks this year when it became

30:31

obvious that this was gonna be the the

30:33

Celibrini Bowl for them but if

30:35

you try to look for some types of

30:37

positives and you know I

30:40

mentioned the assistant coaches a second ago.

30:42

San Jose's power play technically

30:45

was 20 I think 21st in the

30:48

NHL and when you consider the

30:50

personnel that's remarkable but if

30:53

you look from February on

30:56

starting February 1st they

30:58

were at 25% which when you consider

31:01

that person about that's Brian Wiseman

31:04

he handles the power play here again

31:07

it hasn't got a lot of attention because

31:09

a lot of people kind of checked out

31:12

but even considering the personnel

31:14

and you know that sometimes they

31:16

had to run you know five forwards on their

31:18

power play because you know bluntly they didn't have

31:20

a defenseman to handle the power

31:22

play up high but

31:24

Wiseman did a really good job with that

31:27

power play if we're looking for some types

31:29

of positives here from the San Jose Sharks.

31:31

Well you're a positive guy. Oh

31:34

yeah you know me Sunshine Lollipops that's all me.

31:37

Elliott speaking of coaches Ottawa. Yeah

31:41

I have people just telling me to watch

31:43

Craig Barube there. Bruce

31:46

Gariak reported Dean Eveson had been

31:48

interviewed which makes perfect sense but

31:51

I've had a couple of teams

31:53

tell me they think

31:55

that Ottawa really likes

31:57

Barube and they believe They

32:00

believe I can't prove it.

32:02

Nobody's saying anything, but they

32:04

believe they've already interviewed him. So

32:08

We'll see where that goes You

32:10

know who I you know, I can see really liking Brube.

32:12

Who's that? Brady Kachok Well,

32:16

there's a lot of history there, right? Yes It's

32:20

the St. Louis Mafia Totally.

32:22

All right. Well, we'll see where that

32:24

decision heads. I also think David

32:27

Carl has had Maybe

32:29

two already. I Louis

32:32

I suspect one. Yeah, but I

32:34

think there's others. I think

32:36

well He said if you're gonna make it worth my while

32:38

you got to really make it worth my while If

32:41

you catch my drift because he's got a great spot

32:43

right now Okay

32:45

question for you Does

32:47

this sound like someone who's going

32:49

to stay where he is quote?

32:53

This past year gave us memories.

32:55

We'll never forget That

32:58

Patrick King signing off from the

33:00

Tret Red Wings thanking teammates

33:03

and coaches and fans

33:05

and then saying quote this

33:07

past year gave us memories will never

33:09

forget Yeah,

33:14

I Understand why everybody is

33:16

saying this especially when you

33:19

combine that with his exit interview with

33:21

the media in Detroit. I Had

33:24

people tell me do not Read

33:26

too much into this But

33:29

I understand why it's hard not to Look

33:34

I had one Red Wings fan they sent me

33:36

a DM I've been

33:38

reading my DMS a lot more this week Which

33:42

is not always a good thing because you know, some

33:44

of you are just you know, very nasty but

33:51

The one person said to me like are

33:53

you drunk talking about Steve Eisenman in

33:55

term? Dylan Larkin got eight

33:57

years. Well Dylan Larkin's your captain like

34:00

He'll give Raymond eight years. He'll give Sider eight

34:02

years if they have to. And

34:04

he goes, yeah, well, he gave Cobb,

34:07

I can't remember, four or five years,

34:09

Cobb for five years gave

34:14

Sherrod four years. I said all of this

34:17

is true, but, you

34:19

know, Debrinket got four years in the prime of

34:22

his career. You could,

34:24

Iserman is careful with term. He just

34:26

is. And Patrick King said

34:29

it out loud term is important

34:31

to him. And we've talked about how

34:33

he wants this last 12 months

34:36

of a whirlwind to end.

34:39

He wants some stability. I

34:43

can see Iserman just being

34:45

very careful with that. And

34:49

again, I was just

34:51

told not to jump to

34:54

any conclusions yet. Now,

34:57

I recognize what

34:59

is true tomorrow might not be

35:01

true today. And all of

35:03

this can change. But again,

35:05

I was told don't jump to

35:08

conclusions yet. Well,

35:10

that's no fun. Like

35:14

I said, Jeff, it's hard not to. It's

35:16

based on the answer in the tweet. I

35:19

get it. The other thing too

35:21

is like King was good. He

35:23

was really good. Think of all the

35:25

big moments he had for the Red Wings this

35:28

year. I mean, a lot of this and

35:30

the night in Chicago was just brilliant. But

35:33

think of the moments down the stretch.

35:35

He was fantastic. Maybe this is the

35:37

world's greatest pressure tactic.

35:40

We are going to find out if the

35:43

mob can get to Steve

35:45

Iserman. I

35:48

mentioned Chicago a second ago, Alex Vlasic.

35:51

We've both gushed about him. Yeah, it's a really

35:53

good defense in six years, 27.6 million, 4.6 on

35:55

the AAV for the. 22

36:01

year old six foot six defender. Someone

36:04

said to me I didn't see the contract, the eight

36:06

and a half million in bonus money in the first

36:08

12 months. It's a good structure. It's

36:12

always hard to figure out what the

36:14

sweet spot is for defenders. You know,

36:16

he had 16 points this year in 79 games. Yeah.

36:20

So he's got, he doesn't, yeah, he doesn't get the

36:22

counting stats. Like, but I mean, that's irrelevant to me.

36:24

He's still a good player, but those

36:27

contracts are always harder to figure out

36:29

because without the numbers, it's hard to

36:31

make comparables. I look at it this

36:33

way. I think it's a great deal

36:35

for Chicago because it's not a ridiculous

36:37

number, but it's a great deal for

36:39

Vlasic because did you see that tweet

36:41

that went around with his email? I'm

36:43

sorry. I won't be able to

36:46

finish my team

36:48

project at BU because I'm going pro

36:50

and they're like, oh, good luck with

36:52

that. Good luck with your hockey career.

36:54

It was fantastic. You

36:56

know, I bet like a couple of years ago, he's not sure

36:59

if he's going to be signing for $27 million. So

37:01

it's a, it's a win, win, win. And

37:05

he's a good player and I'm happy for Chicago and

37:07

I'm happy for the player. A couple

37:09

more things quick here. I don't know how much of

37:11

a peak you had at the, at

37:13

the Delta Center in Salt Lake City

37:15

in Utah, the NHL hockey in Utah

37:17

event where Liam O'Brien

37:20

became a cult hero to the surprise of no

37:22

one. I liked a lot of

37:24

stuff about this. I thought it was really well done.

37:28

You know, I feel that, you know,

37:30

just think about a week ago, how

37:32

upset some of these Arizona players were

37:35

and how uncertain that some of these

37:37

Arizona players were. And

37:39

you know, we had Ryan Smith on the

37:41

pod and he talked about meeting them and

37:43

taking them for golf. And

37:46

then they went to Utah this week, like

37:48

just a different feeling in that team in

37:50

a week. Like if you, Jeff,

37:52

it's been a week since this happened. And

37:55

how much of a different feeling is

37:57

there around the league? I

38:00

knew we were really going somewhere when Betman

38:03

was making jokes at the Utah Media

38:05

Conference about how much nicer it is

38:08

to have a solid arena situation, right?

38:11

He has hit an early home run. One

38:14

of the things I've tried to do here is the

38:17

players, sort of the agents met

38:19

in Toronto this week on Tuesday

38:21

and I asked them, are

38:23

you guys aware of any situations where any

38:25

of these Arizona players are

38:28

still unhappy? And they said

38:30

no. And I checked

38:32

again after the trip to Utah on

38:34

Wednesday and they

38:36

said, and people told me no. And

38:40

you know, there obviously could be someone.

38:42

I don't speak to everyone and you're at

38:44

the mercy of the information you get,

38:47

but it seems as if he's answered all

38:49

the questions. I love the event.

38:51

I thought it was really cool. I

38:53

thought the fans of Utah came across

38:55

extremely well. I thought

38:57

each player individually introducing themselves,

38:59

including Liam O'Brien, Spicy Tuna

39:01

was a very nice touch.

39:05

You know, it reminded me of a college

39:07

pep rally. Oh, we're playing our

39:09

homecoming game tomorrow, big game against State.

39:12

Like that scene in Revenge of the

39:14

Nerds before they were playing their

39:16

big game at the end of the movie. You

39:20

know, it was excellent. And

39:23

you know, at the end of the day, a lot

39:26

of this is supposed to be fun. And

39:28

that looked, that looked fun.

39:33

It did. And you go back

39:36

to Liam O'Brien as well. I thought

39:38

that was a great bit of business

39:40

for Liam O'Brien, who is an unrestricted

39:42

free agent come July

39:44

1st. And he

39:47

just became the early darling for

39:49

NHL Utah. Well,

39:52

Don Liam, he

39:55

could sell Bitcoin after this. He

39:57

should be a Bitcoin salesman. People would buy.

40:00

Bitcoin off of Liam. You know I don't know

40:02

if someone told him to do that or he

40:04

just said you know what I better Ingratiate

40:06

to my myself to a love them

40:09

this crowd quickly they love whatever it

40:11

was Liam. You're the smartest guy there

40:13

mission accomplished Yes Well

40:16

done that makes things Easier

40:18

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40:21

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41:18

we will start Elliot's with

41:21

Bruce Toronto born Willow

41:24

Dale raised now lives in

41:26

Henderson, Nevada I like

41:29

this guy. Yeah, I know I like them

41:31

already. I'm Toronto born I was Willow Dale

41:33

raised and I would like to live in

41:35

Henderson, Nevada And once a year at the

41:37

NHL players tour we get to hang out

41:39

in Henderson, Nevada, and there's a lovely lovely

41:41

place Okay, knowing how

41:43

much Jeff likes conspiracy theories and

41:46

controversy Here's a question for

41:48

you I know the original Stanley

41:50

Cup is in the bank vault at the

41:52

Hall of Fame actually the original cup itself

41:55

Is in the Hall of Fame. We're gonna get there

41:57

in a couple of second the original Bowl was retired.

42:00

making such. The. That is in

42:02

Lord Stanley's vault at the Great

42:04

Hall the Whole Saints. But it

42:06

appears there are Stanley Cups in

42:08

both the E S, P N

42:10

and T N T studios. Unfortunately,

42:12

I can't get sports their broadcasts

42:14

down here so I don't know

42:16

if there's one in your studios

42:18

as well. So just how many

42:20

Stanley Cups are there I say

42:22

I know of to one that

42:24

has mistakes in the spelling of

42:26

names and a copy were corrections

42:28

were made. First of all, I'm

42:30

out on breakfast. Television last week and

42:33

the cop was there and I was

42:35

disappointed to find out and happened some

42:37

time ago. So maybe I should pay

42:39

attention that the ring that has Jacques

42:41

Plots name spelled incorrectly five times is

42:43

now off the Stanley Cup and is

42:46

on the wall at the Great Hall.

42:48

so no longer can we point all

42:50

those Montreal can it be kids winds

42:52

were plots name is is spelled incorrectly

42:54

five times. There

42:57

are two and when I

42:59

I read this question, I'd.

43:01

Taxes. So pressure from the

43:04

Hockey Hall of Fame and

43:06

he said they were at

43:08

yes Pn to day which

43:11

would be Thursday and Tnt

43:13

the day before. Sports

43:16

that last week New York earlier

43:18

this week. I'm only one that

43:20

is on the road. The one

43:22

the you're seeing is on the

43:24

road. That's the one the players

43:26

when I'm pretty sure it is

43:28

right now. I believe in Nashville

43:30

going next to Chicago and then

43:32

Montreal next week. So when the

43:34

cup travels there's another cop on

43:36

display at the Hockey Hall of

43:38

Fame. Or but the ones you

43:40

see on the Sats. the Sports

43:42

That one Ah G N T

43:44

E S P. N that's

43:46

the one the players

43:49

when says with and

43:51

at times elliott. Dance

43:54

Battalion So barks case.

43:57

Take. a parts the system

44:00

was Screwdriver So

44:03

there's a there's a couple of them Here's

44:06

what that's a good question. That is a very

44:08

very good question Lincoln

44:12

from Miami, Manitoba Hi

44:15

everyone fairly recent listener to the podcast, but now

44:17

I can't get enough love the content you guys

44:19

put out keep up the great work Thank you

44:22

Lincoln. Thank you for joining. Oh, yes. Glad to

44:24

have you aboard The Lindy

44:26

rough hiring by the Sabres got me thinking

44:29

Okay, the new coach has a

44:31

new coach ever kept the previous

44:33

head coach on staff Presumably

44:36

as an assistant coach, maybe

44:38

they've worked really well together in the past

44:40

for some example Thank you

44:42

for your time and go Jets

44:44

go We

44:47

have an example of that in the NHL right now

44:50

We do we do But

44:53

it's kind of a technicality Oh

44:56

my god I was gonna say how did

44:58

I not realize that there was something like

45:00

this right now? I thought I

45:02

was like I'm the dumbest guy alive if there's

45:04

something here. I'm missing. Okay, what's the technicality? Derek

45:07

King was interim and then Luke Richardson got

45:10

the job and kept him on as an

45:12

assistant. Ah Okay, you

45:14

know what? That's pretty good. I

45:16

have to say Jeff. I wouldn't have thought of

45:18

that because Yeah, King

45:20

was interim and not the head guy I'm

45:22

like practically insulting Derek King this is unintentional

45:25

I don't want it to come out as

45:27

bad as it's sounding but I wouldn't

45:29

have guessed that one I really wouldn't have

45:32

so that one's right under our nose hiding in plain

45:34

sight Very good. The

45:36

the other couple and maybe you can you can

45:38

fill in the blanks here, too Wayne

45:42

Cashman with the Philadelphia Flyers. Okay,

45:44

I was the head coach for

45:46

one year This

45:49

would have been I think 96 97 I

45:53

think even by his own admission talked about

45:55

how he was overwhelmed by it. Yes I

45:57

remember this now now you're mentioning it demote

46:00

The to an assistant while I'll use the

46:02

months not immortal I go are punishing you.

46:04

I think he wanted to get demoted to

46:06

be out. His lover Roger Nelson came in

46:09

in Ninety Seven Ninety Eight. So they use

46:11

only the coach for one year. With the

46:13

flood of the head coach, you do some

46:15

good research. Sure, there's two more that I

46:18

saw. I'm sure they do more to more.

46:20

Do. More with every Lancer here I

46:22

am looking dumber and dumber know there's

46:24

the there's one that again technically is

46:26

true and not who had the same

46:29

time we're going to get their arm

46:31

but the other one and want to

46:33

get sued is Lauren Moloch in with

46:35

the Blackhawks you are a member was

46:37

to me was controversial to say the

46:39

least. Ah yes and god you know

46:41

got punched oh by George Mcphee in

46:43

order to face it's exhibitions him he

46:45

ah he was died motor when Bob

46:47

Pulford took over as the head coach

46:49

of the Chicago Blackhawks. I would have

46:52

been Ninety Ninety Nine Two thousand Now

46:54

the other one. The. Other one,

46:56

Elliott let me know if this qualifies.

46:59

For. When Larry Robinson stepped down as

47:01

head coach of the New Jersey Devils,

47:03

I. Do and then he took a

47:05

break any came back as an assistant.

47:08

Under. Lou Lamoriello. He wanted him

47:10

to come back to live. That caused

47:13

by, yeah, I did. that accounts. he

47:15

added five hour sailor the house if

47:17

that counts. And by my. Ten

47:21

minutes some research on this one

47:23

systems go or of got for.

47:26

I. Wouldn't have gotten any of these I'd never

47:28

only were know you would a gotten rhino

47:30

you love their Robinson's I know you would

47:32

Ago I wouldn't have remember when I wouldn't

47:34

have I remembered it. Ah,

47:36

I would have chided you into getting it

47:39

as such. I think you'd have to ruin

47:41

of heads one of the of ones where

47:43

you get it's ninety seven hands and then

47:45

you get it right. The I knew it

47:47

all on now I would their I know

47:50

if there are more I'm sure. Ah so

47:52

if you want to send it along please

47:54

were only too happy to add thirty two

47:56

thoughts. It's for said.c A is the way

47:58

to get in by. They also send

48:01

us some other corrections or I'm

48:03

more of these examples as put

48:05

forward by Lincoln in Miami, Manitoba,

48:07

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48:09

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48:14

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48:21

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48:23

I've been a Us based Leafs fan

48:25

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48:27

In love with the sport

48:29

after of all things, the

48:32

Carolina Hurricanes beating beliefs on

48:34

that fateful day years ago

48:36

with their own zamboni driver?

48:38

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48:40

and he saw a war. or Roman

48:42

I ever saw it. There's there's a

48:45

an oral history to be done here

48:47

about you becoming a hockey fan on

48:49

that day. But also becoming

48:51

a fan of the team at

48:53

a loss that to yes yes.

48:55

impressive silver legacy of David Ayer's

48:58

grows, David Ayer's growing the game

49:00

design of the assess in non

49:02

traditional markets and now so it's

49:04

that the idea Where to go?

49:06

David Ayer's I'm I've been basically

49:08

what we just learned is without

49:10

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49:12

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49:14

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49:16

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49:18

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49:20

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49:22

excited to have an Nhl team a

49:25

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49:27

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49:29

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49:38

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good PSA there everybody um it'll

51:58

be a really busy Friday The

52:00

night it'll be a very busy Saturday

52:02

day before we get there and will

52:04

sort of wink as some of the

52:07

games coming up here with Pete backwards,

52:09

the Boston Bruins and the Toronto Maple

52:11

Leafs. we talked about how awesome Matthews

52:14

was. The story in Game Two Man

52:16

the story. Game Three was Brad Marchand

52:18

was what a command performance by Sixty

52:21

Three on Boston. The. I

52:23

I I had some buddies of mine

52:25

who are bigley fans who are pretty

52:27

pretty mad just gizzard. Leading up to

52:29

that. Game at the

52:31

right before park drop. We all have one

52:34

thing we all say Kevin Kelly a

52:36

ice as said marsh and said three A

52:38

says pretty really as an. Impose

52:40

his will on the series yet. and then he

52:43

went out. To do it. Ah,

52:45

I'm and. To:

52:47

There's been some interesting coaching commentary

52:49

in the series. First, your montgomery

52:51

upset that they're spreading too many

52:53

days in Toronto? Which.

52:55

Like to me as like. Someone's

52:58

like does that. Who. Which to

53:00

me was like wild. I mean it's

53:02

the playoffs. The. Old. A

53:05

web. Somewhere. Was a wound

53:07

which he like. I was like. Battle.

53:10

Were complaining about now. Okay, I'm

53:13

not wasting any time without was it's

53:15

and then. You can tell Now

53:17

I know the leave fans are mad

53:19

about the officiating in this game. Number.

53:22

One, they got more power plays. Number

53:24

two: they're gonna fix their own special

53:26

teams. The only

53:28

thing I thought was really egregious was

53:31

I thought in the last minute. That

53:34

Tavares. Family. I didn't

53:36

think was a great call. And Marcel

53:39

could have gotten apparently right before

53:41

the empty netter. And. It's

53:43

obvious would Chief is doing here. He's trying

53:45

to get some calls on Marsh and. He's

53:48

a great player. he impose his will

53:50

on the game your rights came to

53:53

was the Matthews game. And.

53:55

I think there was some reports

53:57

the I've food poisoning which I

53:59

believe is true. It's the night

54:01

the for game three game three

54:03

is was the martian game and

54:05

you're obviously deemed for on Saturday

54:07

night is a huge game. As

54:10

you know: Powerplay, Penalty Kill.

54:13

The. Goal is to be at

54:15

or hundred the best teams

54:18

are at a hundred. Toronto.

54:20

Is at fifty nine. Ah,

54:23

the only teams that are worse

54:26

are the Kings there at forty

54:28

three, but they're even in their

54:30

series and Dallas has close their

54:32

at sixty six and obviously they're

54:35

in trouble. Toronto has to get

54:37

a special teams together. The other

54:39

thing that Toronto's going to have

54:42

to deal with here. Is

54:45

seldom chief in game three

54:47

and obvious strategy and that

54:49

strategy was get much smarter

54:51

going. He played i'm

54:53

eight minutes in the first period which is more

54:55

than anyone else. And. I understand

54:57

what he was trying to do. He.

55:01

Was. Saying we have to get this

55:03

guy going. We. Can't win

55:06

the series. Without. This

55:08

guy. I

55:10

understand why you tried it. I.

55:13

Completely get it. By

55:15

what it does do is it throws

55:17

off your rhythm. Was. Some of

55:19

the other lines. And.

55:22

You. Could do that, I think in game three.

55:24

I. Don't think you can do that now and

55:26

deemed for. And.

55:29

Again, I. Know not

55:31

everyone liked it. And

55:33

I know not everybody was crazy about how

55:35

worked out. By. Understood it.

55:38

He can't do that again. You. Have to

55:40

go with your hot hands down. And by

55:43

the way Jeff the of your coaching the

55:45

Bruins. Yes, Who's.

55:47

Playing goes raymond, swam and. But.

55:50

Okay, the hallmark. of

55:52

little didn't say why but i've developed

55:55

a game one way and and way

55:57

mileage base as a good should be

55:59

so But it's gonna be all

56:01

mark Montgomery said one very interesting thing

56:04

though on on the off day Thursday

56:07

He was asked does the extra day off

56:09

there's two days off between games three and

56:11

four. Yeah, you can play so it influences

56:14

Well, this one wasn't a complaint.

56:16

He complained the other day. This was more

56:18

about Does it make

56:20

your decision? Easier to bring back

56:22

say swimming. I knew what the question was

56:24

about and he said yes It

56:27

could really do that but then he basically said

56:29

I don't know that that still means we're gonna

56:31

go back with swimming I

56:33

am with you. I would go back

56:35

with swimming, but I'm expecting a Walmart

56:39

Okay Los Angeles

56:41

and Edmonton if I told you the

56:43

Kings were going to win game two

56:45

you probably would have said yourself Hmm,

56:47

that's interesting. I wonder if the

56:49

score was 1-0 or maybe even 2 to 1 5

56:55

to 4 overtime

56:57

on J copitar I

57:00

didn't think the LA Kings could win a track

57:02

meet with Edmonton, but there it was. I there

57:05

it was Neither

57:08

did I I said a couple times. I'm not

57:10

sure they can win a 5-4 game someone tweeted

57:12

at me Oh really going into overtime is we're

57:14

about to find out if the Kings can win

57:16

a 5-4 game and the answer was yes Let

57:19

me just amend that too. I wouldn't recommend they

57:22

try to do that four times, but

57:25

Number one they went back with camp

57:27

a copitar and by field and

57:29

that made a huge difference Don't

57:33

break that line up again don't break

57:35

that line up again I

57:37

thought I thought Mikey Anderson was

57:39

a lot better in game two than he was

57:42

in game one I thought he had a really

57:44

rough game one, but you'll remember

57:46

like doubt. He's a constant. It's a given

57:48

He's gonna play well, but you'll

57:50

remember when LA has looked good against

57:55

The Oilers especially in the playoffs Anderson's

57:57

been a very big part of that and I thought

58:00

he was a lot better in game

58:02

two. Skinner struggled, that was

58:04

a big deal. Talbot battled, he

58:06

gave them one more save

58:09

than Edmonton's goalies and that's all you

58:11

can ask for from Talbot. You

58:13

know I still think there's a lot of people who

58:16

can arrive in this series. I hesitate

58:18

to say this because it

58:20

sounds ridiculous. I thought game

58:22

two, Conor McDavid was

58:24

really quiet, really quiet.

58:27

So you know what that means Jeff? He's

58:29

not going to be quiet on Friday night. That

58:31

was a game the elders will regret. Whoever

58:34

was losing that game, game two was going

58:36

to regret it and in this case

58:38

it was Edmonton. Don't

58:41

look now but Vegas, even though it's only

58:43

2-0, it feels like

58:45

they have Dallas' back up

58:47

against the wall going back

58:49

to T-Mobile Arena. Mark Stone

58:51

continues to be a story.

58:53

It looks like him and

58:55

Hurdle have played together forever.

58:57

This is

59:00

a team. Just when we thought we

59:02

were comfortable saying you can't just turn

59:04

it on and off, you

59:06

need time to gel, the

59:09

Vegas Golden Knights have flipped the switch, Elliot. They

59:11

sure have. My worst

59:13

prediction this year could turn

59:16

out to be the Stars if they go out in the

59:18

first round and I know I'm going to hear

59:20

it. Look, I thought there

59:22

was a chance Vegas could win this series.

59:24

I did not see it unfolding like this.

59:27

There's no way I would have predicted

59:29

this and nobody

59:31

out there would have predicted

59:33

this unless you are paid by the Golden

59:36

Knights and I'm not even sure

59:38

they really predicted it. The

59:40

one thing here, Jeff, is that defense

59:43

is your constant. It's your

59:45

effort and Vegas does

59:48

not cheat on defense. That

59:52

is a team that is locked down, understands

59:54

how it has to play in the postseason

59:56

and they are committed to it. They

59:59

did not. Give. The

1:00:01

stars a lot in game

1:00:03

number two. That. Was a

1:00:05

really mean nasty game. It.

1:00:07

Was big boy Aki I am perfectly

1:00:10

fine with that. But. The thing

1:00:12

that I see is the Golden Knights

1:00:14

are committed and they are dialed in

1:00:16

defensively. And they are

1:00:19

confident. Confidence. Comes

1:00:21

with believe in yourself. When it comes

1:00:23

with results, they had the believe in

1:00:25

themselves. They're getting results. They're.

1:00:27

Sending a message to the league, See.

1:00:30

Health Dallas to twenty one shots of the

1:00:33

Up. Like Logan Thompson's played

1:00:35

well. Me to see the head making game

1:00:37

too. but. He only had. To.

1:00:40

Face Twenty One Shots. You know I I

1:00:42

like to talk a lot about sounds Big

1:00:44

mess, a resounding Hockey's cross bar by And

1:00:46

Rosberg. Love that. I'll always love that sound.

1:00:49

I'll take it all day long. I

1:00:52

also like hearing hard passes

1:00:54

on blades and when your.

1:00:58

A. Team playing at home

1:01:00

soon and you can hear.

1:01:02

The. Sound of Hard Passes Hidden

1:01:05

Blades What does that tell

1:01:07

you? The. Road

1:01:10

team has taken the crowd

1:01:12

of as game the alley.

1:01:14

It. Sack. He

1:01:17

was so quiet vs. I.

1:01:20

Was stein like it was a i'm listen

1:01:22

I'm used to go on a Maple Leafs

1:01:24

games. It was so

1:01:26

gore you wire in their success. It

1:01:29

was so quiet in there for each

1:01:31

egg Vegas to smother them. Took the

1:01:33

players out of the games of the

1:01:36

fans out of the game to get

1:01:38

everybody out of the game. It was

1:01:40

incredible Cbs masses. You could hear passes.

1:01:43

Even thing that would also concerned me

1:01:46

a little bit. for Dallas's remember last

1:01:48

year Jason Robards in was really struggling

1:01:50

as bout against Vegas. Now he's looked

1:01:52

really good at. And. He of

1:01:54

the only guy that looks. Really

1:01:56

good. The rest of their offense is

1:01:58

really struggling. I. And. They

1:02:01

didn't do it in our Maverick Bork

1:02:03

was named H L. Mvp. Yes, fine.

1:02:06

On. Thursday night. First. Of

1:02:08

all, congratulations Damn very. Very

1:02:11

impressive season. I

1:02:13

wonder? I wonder? Well

1:02:15

I want hundred. They got a

1:02:17

couple of walking wounded here. Yes,

1:02:19

marshment got hurt. A

1:02:22

fox or got hurt. they didn't update them.

1:02:24

Hand by huge all and you

1:02:26

can't wait! Oh.

1:02:28

No, can't wait a few years of

1:02:31

your down to nothing. you're going in

1:02:33

the one of the toughest buildings in

1:02:35

the league. You can't wait if you're

1:02:37

doing it. I think you have to

1:02:39

do it now. Okay so a couple

1:02:41

games of we're going to see on

1:02:43

Friday Elliot's I'll serve the Washington Capitals

1:02:45

and the New York Rangers. Luck I'll

1:02:47

be as one of the big stories

1:02:50

that exactly a secret for the Washington

1:02:52

Capitals has been what's up with Alex

1:02:54

Ovechkin? I didn't think that the capital's

1:02:56

like when you broke down goaltending blue

1:02:58

line forwards. All of it and

1:03:00

Washington had much of a chance

1:03:02

in this series And it's gonna

1:03:04

be even harder if the not

1:03:06

going to get anything from Alexander

1:03:08

of Ask in game three Rangers

1:03:11

up to nothing Friday the venue

1:03:13

cysts. A look

1:03:15

at a seated there they've game plan for

1:03:17

him and there was a time that it

1:03:19

didn't even matter if you game plan fro

1:03:21

that Skyn. He would you

1:03:23

score? It's it's. different now.

1:03:26

That they do A Capitals are obviously

1:03:29

not a high flying capitals of five

1:03:31

ten fifteen years ago. So it's not

1:03:33

that it's easier to shut him down.

1:03:36

But if you are really good defensive

1:03:38

team and I think the Rangers are

1:03:40

really good defensive teams, there are one

1:03:43

three one team. After all they can

1:03:45

do it. They've done a great job

1:03:47

with it's I am really curious to

1:03:50

see this game. On

1:03:52

Game three because.

1:03:55

one thing that very rarely happens to

1:03:57

the capital's is they lose the physical

1:03:59

battle Panarin delivered the

1:04:01

big hit the other day. Yeah, again,

1:04:03

I submit was the right call the

1:04:05

way it was done But the

1:04:08

Capitals are going to be riled

1:04:10

up like a team with TJ

1:04:12

Oh she and Tom Wilson on it and

1:04:15

even Ovechkin who's a it was a beast

1:04:17

They do not get pushed around very often

1:04:20

and look they're losing They're

1:04:22

at home game three. Yeah, they're they

1:04:25

have their best chance to get themselves

1:04:27

back into the series They're

1:04:29

gonna be wired to play. I would expect

1:04:31

the game three That

1:04:34

Spencer Carver is gonna say hey guys, we

1:04:36

were supposed to be the physically

1:04:38

dominant team maybe we're not as

1:04:41

offensive as we used to be but

1:04:43

we're still we still don't get pushed around and

1:04:45

we don't get bullied and I Wonder

1:04:49

how the Capitals are gonna come out if

1:04:51

they're gonna try to come out and assert

1:04:53

some physical dominance here now That's not easy

1:04:56

when you're playing a team. That's got

1:04:58

Matt Rempe and Jacob Truba But

1:05:00

that doesn't mean you don't try and Barkley Goodrow.

1:05:03

It's a true embark Lee Goodrow. Yes Okay,

1:05:06

Winnipeg Jets in Colorado Avalanche the venue

1:05:08

shifts to Denver this series nodded at

1:05:10

ones after game one We had all

1:05:12

kinds of questions about your year of

1:05:15

after game two. We have all kinds

1:05:17

of questions about Connor Hellebuch What

1:05:20

are your questions going into this one for game

1:05:22

three for each? I think the

1:05:24

the main questions we have Jeff is after

1:05:27

game one we kind of expected that

1:05:29

the goaltender under the most heat would

1:05:31

be your give and You

1:05:35

would have thought going in if there was a

1:05:37

goaltender in this series who was under

1:05:40

some heat he would be the guy well

1:05:42

now after game two your give recovers

1:05:45

with an excellent performance and The

1:05:48

guy who's under heat is the Vesna trophy

1:05:50

winner and I don't

1:05:52

think anybody was expecting

1:05:54

that I

1:05:56

really thought that I

1:06:01

really thought that Colorado

1:06:05

in this series has

1:06:08

done whatever it's kind of

1:06:10

wanted to do in the offensive zone. Whether

1:06:13

it was the way they enter, whether

1:06:16

the way they you know

1:06:18

move the puck around or cycle, I think

1:06:22

they've had their own way out

1:06:24

there. And one,

1:06:27

Hallibach has to make more saves but

1:06:30

two, his team has got to

1:06:33

be a lot better whether it's in the

1:06:35

neutral zone or the defensive zone because

1:06:37

those Colorado guys are doing whatever they want.

1:06:40

That to me is the big focus. Can

1:06:43

Winnipeg slow down

1:06:45

that fast-moving powerful machine?

1:06:49

And finally we'll finish up with the

1:06:51

Vancouver Canucks and the Nashville Predators. Now

1:06:54

the great money quote from Andrew

1:06:56

Burnett after game two was commit

1:06:59

to the pain and

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we saw that in game two. I commit to

1:07:03

the pain every time I could do this podcast.

1:07:06

Every time I get out of bed as I get older I

1:07:08

commit to the pain to try to get through a day. Andrew

1:07:12

Burnett we committed

1:07:14

to the pain. Now I have

1:07:16

been led to believe that

1:07:19

Nashville has a commit to the

1:07:21

pain t-shirt in the

1:07:23

works. So if that is true,

1:07:25

sign me up for a dozen

1:07:27

of them because I love that.

1:07:29

Now as we mentioned last podcast,

1:07:32

that's a great way and albeit a

1:07:34

painful way to win a game blocking

1:07:36

as many shots as Nashville did. I'm

1:07:38

not sure if you can do that

1:07:40

three more times to win this series

1:07:42

but we're gonna find out starting

1:07:45

tonight game three Nashville and

1:07:47

Vancouver. So there was a

1:07:49

report on Thursday night that

1:07:51

Thatcher Demko was

1:07:53

out for the year which caught me

1:07:56

by surprise because I had heard earlier

1:07:59

on Thursday there was some optimism

1:08:01

about Demko's situation. I think Rick

1:08:03

Dallowell reported the same. I

1:08:06

mean at this time of year crazy stuff flies

1:08:08

around we'll have to see but initially

1:08:11

I was told with Demko don't guess. Just

1:08:13

don't guess and again I heard on Thursday there

1:08:15

was potentially some optimism

1:08:18

and the other thing was he traveled with

1:08:21

the team as Dan Murphy reported and

1:08:23

the thing about that is you

1:08:25

don't travel with the team if

1:08:29

you're gonna be out a long time because

1:08:31

then your distraction or

1:08:34

you need either you've had a procedure

1:08:36

done which we're not expecting or

1:08:38

you're so badly bedridden or whatever that you

1:08:40

just can't go. To be

1:08:42

able to go with the team that's actually

1:08:45

a significant and good thing.

1:08:47

So we'll see how this

1:08:49

all plays out but I'll just say that one

1:08:51

caught me by surprise because like

1:08:54

I said I'd heard that there was actually

1:08:57

some positivity there. But

1:09:01

look I mean as you

1:09:03

said Nashville played a desperate

1:09:05

desperate desperate game too. Vancouver

1:09:08

has to match that and

1:09:10

Pederson has to produce. You

1:09:13

know my there

1:09:15

were some people who didn't like the way

1:09:18

I kind of defended Pederson in the last

1:09:20

pod. I don't think it's so much of

1:09:22

as a defense as I don't

1:09:25

I just don't like the fact that people

1:09:27

say he doesn't care. He cares but

1:09:29

he has to produce you know and

1:09:33

the thing that I would be hammering

1:09:35

if I was Rick

1:09:37

Tockett is you have to

1:09:39

be more aggressive. This is not the

1:09:42

time of the year to be unselfish

1:09:44

to a fault. You have to

1:09:47

be aggressive. You have to be

1:09:49

more selfish. You have to say

1:09:51

I've got puck. There is net.

1:09:53

I am not being stopped going

1:09:56

to the net. There were some things that happened

1:09:58

in the last game. I just don't think

1:10:00

will happen again. I think a lot of

1:10:02

those guys were trying to do 10 to 15% more

1:10:05

than they needed to do because Demko

1:10:07

got hurt. You know, go

1:10:09

back to your identity, be who you are and

1:10:12

let the chips fall where they may.

1:10:14

I really think that's

1:10:17

one of the reasons that Vancouver

1:10:19

lost that last game. This will

1:10:21

be a crazy building. The

1:10:23

Predators fans will be fired up. It'll

1:10:25

be wild in there. Oh

1:10:28

yeah. Canucks stay off

1:10:30

Broadway and you know

1:10:32

we'll see where this goes. This is gonna

1:10:34

be a long series. Hopefully

1:10:37

so. This one's gonna be a lot of fun.

1:10:39

We've already had two great games. Alright,

1:10:41

enjoyed the action all weekend. Hope

1:10:43

you enjoyed the podcast. Take a

1:10:45

moment. Think about Bob

1:10:48

Cole. Maybe go back and listen to

1:10:50

some of the great calls. He

1:10:52

made the game better for all of us

1:10:54

and again this whole podcast dedicated

1:10:57

to the memory of the great Bob

1:10:59

Cole. We'll talk to you again in

1:11:01

a moment.