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Coming up... There's

1:03

something so wicked going on right now

1:05

in this small town. There's

1:10

a barrel up in the woods. And

1:14

I think there's some bones in there. This

1:17

is not good. A

1:20

mother and a young child. Who

1:22

are you? Where did you

1:25

come from? Where did you come from? This

1:29

is just the tip of the iceberg. Fast

1:31

forward 15 years. Two

1:34

more victims. So what

1:37

was an adult female and a little girl

1:39

is now an adult female and three little

1:41

children. Somebody was

1:43

dumping their victims. You're

1:47

not going to believe this. We're dealing with

1:49

a serial killer. I

1:52

was like, oh my God. This

1:55

is it. This is it. We

1:58

knew that this man went by. four

2:00

different names. The chameleon.

2:03

My father is a serial

2:05

killer. That's

2:12

the first time I've said that. I'm

2:21

John Quinones. It's a mystery that

2:23

has played out for some 40 years. Two stories

2:26

intertwining, each slow to reveal

2:28

its dark secrets. First,

2:31

a drifter moving from place to

2:33

place, picking up new names and

2:35

new women along the way, again

2:38

and again vanishing into thin air.

2:41

Then the bodies of a woman and three

2:43

young girls discovered in the woods of New

2:46

England. Their identities unknown and

2:48

police haunted by the thought that

2:51

someone somewhere was looking for them.

2:54

As we first reported in 2020,

2:56

it would take decades for DNA

2:59

and genealogy to unravel the

3:01

connection between the victims and

3:03

the man authorities call the chameleon. That

3:06

connection would reveal shocking family

3:08

ties and bring this story

3:10

back to where it all

3:12

began. Check,

3:28

check, check. In

3:34

the middle of New Hampshire, there's this

3:37

state park, Bearbrook Stone Park.

3:40

It's huge. It's covered in thick

3:42

forests. It's full of nooks

3:44

and crannies to get lost in. It's

3:47

the type of place where you can find

3:49

some of the last remaining rattlesnakes in New

3:51

England, where

3:54

kids play hide and seek on four-wheelers and

3:57

where in 1985 a horrible discovery

4:00

was made. 10,000

4:03

acres means you do have over 40 miles

4:05

of trails. It's a very large park and

4:07

there's parts of the park that people did

4:09

not explore or get out to. I

4:12

would think that anyone without a familiarity with the park

4:14

wouldn't want to go wandering very far into the

4:16

woods. There's just a lot of undeveloped area out

4:18

there. There's just nothing but woods. If

4:20

someone wanted to hide a body,

4:23

that would unfortunately be

4:25

the place to do it. If

4:29

you tried to write this as a

4:32

fictional story, I think people would say it's

4:34

too unbelievable. What began as

4:36

one story for me turned

4:38

into like four that

4:40

spanned the country, spanned

4:43

30 or 40 years, and all

4:45

connected in a way that

4:49

couldn't be believed at first. I

4:53

grew up in Beverly Gardens in

4:56

Hounstown, New Hampshire. It's a small

4:58

trailer park of maybe

5:00

100 trailers, which

5:03

is surrounded by Babbrook State Park.

5:07

When we were kids, we created a

5:09

game that was basically hide and seek

5:11

with a four wheeler. You would just

5:13

ride the four wheeler around looking for

5:16

the kids that were hiding in the woods.

5:19

We did it pretty much all summer long. Once

5:22

I was approached by one of

5:26

the kids in the group that he

5:28

had come upon a barrel out

5:30

in the middle of the woods, which was off

5:32

the trail. We drove up that

5:34

trail, off the trail a little bit. We

5:37

found a barrel standing up. It

5:39

was just odd that the barrel

5:41

was out there. It was a

5:45

slightly rusted, dark blue barrel.

5:48

It's a blue 55 gallon steel

5:50

drum. It's just kind of sitting out in

5:52

the woods. The brother that found

5:54

the barrel went over to

5:56

it and tried to lift the top of

5:58

the barrel. And when he did

6:00

that, we were hit with a smell

6:03

that was absolutely putrid.

6:06

One of the brothers just pushed the

6:08

barrel over and we watched the barrel

6:11

fall on its side. I

6:13

do recall seeing a little bit of

6:15

like gray, whitish fluid ooze out of

6:17

the bottom of the barrel, which

6:20

I thought at the time at 11 years

6:22

old was rotting milk. The

6:25

guys jumped on my four wheeler and we

6:27

booted out of there and that was the

6:29

last time that we saw

6:31

the barrel. Several

6:36

months after the kids had kicked it over, a

6:38

police officer gets a call about a

6:40

hunter. I was working the day shift.

6:43

It was overcast, pulled, and

6:46

I received a call from dispatch to meet a

6:48

hunter in the Baybrook Gardens

6:50

mobile home park. He

6:53

was very, very white, very

6:55

pale, and he said to me,

6:57

there's a barrel up in the

6:59

woods and I think there's some bones

7:01

in there. So I told

7:03

him to stay by my patrol car. And

7:05

he heads into the woods, pretty

7:08

skeptical that there is anything amiss.

7:11

And I walked approximately 300 yards. I

7:15

could see the barrel. It

7:17

was laying on its side. And as I got closer,

7:20

I saw that something had

7:22

fallen out of the barrel. It looked

7:24

like a plastic rug and

7:27

it was all rolled up. I

7:29

kneeled down and I opened up

7:32

the plastic. As I opened

7:34

the bag, the face is

7:36

looking right at me. I said to

7:39

myself, this is not good. He

7:41

said, to dispatch, buy one. He

7:44

advised I have a 1050. And she

7:46

said, could you repeat that? He

7:49

alerted the state authorities, the attorney general's

7:51

office, state police, and it

7:53

sort of set in motion an investigation. The

7:56

bodies were found not far from this sandpit

7:58

just behind the bear. Brook Gardens Mobile Home

8:01

Park. Two decomposed bodies were found

8:03

inside what appeared to be an adult female

8:05

and then a younger female child. They have

8:07

been able to determine that both victims were

8:09

female, one an adult in her early 20s

8:12

to early 30s, the other a young girl

8:14

between the ages of 8 and 10. There's

8:18

no identification, there's no purse,

8:20

there's nothing inside the barrel.

8:23

And the victims had been wrapped

8:25

in material, principally garbage bags, and

8:28

there was some electrical wire that had been wrapped

8:30

around the remains. Both of

8:32

those victims died from a blunt object striking

8:34

their heads and crushing their skulls. It

8:38

usually means that the killer is up close

8:40

and right next to the victims. If

8:42

I knew who the victim was, if

8:45

everybody knew everybody in town, I

8:47

could start connecting the dots. When

8:50

you don't know who the person is, when you don't know

8:52

who the victim is, it makes it

8:54

a hell of a lot harder to solve the crime.

8:59

In New Hampshire, we have very few

9:01

murders that involve complete strangers. Most

9:03

of the murders occur amongst people who know

9:05

each other. A close family member, maybe a

9:07

friend, maybe a co-worker. The next day I

9:09

cold canvassed the town, I went

9:12

to approximately 200 residences

9:15

asking. Notice anything different,

9:18

anybody missing, maybe

9:20

a mother, child. Nobody

9:22

knew nothing. And that was odd

9:24

because the population was 5,000 and

9:27

everybody knew everything in that town.

9:31

Right from the start, we really were in

9:33

the dark in this case. We had very

9:35

little physical evidence, we had no witnesses, and

9:38

we couldn't tell who our victims were, so we couldn't go

9:40

back through their history to try to find the killer or

9:42

a connection that would lead us to the killer. The

9:44

hope was that there would be a missing

9:46

persons case from somewhere that

9:48

matched the description of a family unit. It is

9:50

going to take a great deal of time for

9:52

them to be identified. We have run them through

9:54

all of the computers both at the state level

9:56

and from Washington, D.C., and they are simply not

9:58

in that computer. Who

10:01

are these victims? And are they local people or

10:03

are they from a distance away? Maybe a truck

10:05

driver from Canada came down and was looking for

10:07

a spot to dump his victims. Was

10:09

it somebody who was passing through, a

10:11

tourist, something like that? Somewhere, somehow, somebody

10:13

must know, you know, who these people

10:16

are. We have a mother and a

10:18

young child. It's like,

10:20

it just didn't disappear off the face of the

10:22

earth without a name or an identity. Two

10:29

years after the barrel was discovered,

10:31

authorities released their remains so that

10:33

they could be buried. These

10:36

victims deserve the dignity of

10:38

having a proper burial and we're

10:40

going to give them a proper

10:42

burial. Chief Connor arranged in the

10:45

church to give him a plot

10:47

in the cemetery. A local

10:49

gravestone company donated a headstone.

10:52

The headstone did not have the

10:54

names. There's an inscription to

10:57

the fact that they were found in 1985. It

11:00

reads, Here lies the mortal remains

11:02

known only to God of a woman aged 23

11:04

to 33 and a girl child aged 8 to

11:06

10. Their

11:10

slain bodies were found on

11:12

November 10th, 1985 in Bearbrook

11:14

State Park. May

11:16

their souls find peace in God's

11:18

loving care. And with

11:20

the burial of the two victims,

11:23

that was kind of it. The

11:25

case was pretty well cold and it

11:28

would stay that way for almost 15 years. When

11:33

I would patrol, I would

11:35

go into the cemetery, I would stop and

11:38

look at the gravestone and I would

11:40

just say to myself, Where are you?

11:42

Where did you come from? Police

12:07

say the hunter discovered the bodies

12:09

wrapped in plastic in a barrel.

12:11

The mystery bothers residents today. Who

12:16

are the victims? Law

12:22

enforcement investigators were working so hard

12:24

to try to get a

12:26

name. And

12:29

nothing was working. Because

12:33

you can't connect the dots unless you know who the

12:35

victims are. So

12:39

while the investigation in New Hampshire

12:41

is going cold, little

12:43

did anyone know that across the

12:45

country a five-year-old

12:48

girl could be

12:50

the key to cracking this case. So

12:54

it's 1986 at an RV

12:56

park in Scotts Valley, California. A guy by

12:58

the name of Gordon Jensen was

13:00

staying at the Holiday Host RV

13:02

park with his daughter, Lisa. She

13:07

was

13:09

about

13:11

five

13:14

years

13:16

old. He was living as the

13:18

kind of fix-it-up guy, handyman guy

13:20

at this park. And

13:22

he had a camper on a pickup

13:24

truck that he was living in with

13:27

Lisa. She was little, so she was

13:29

like always running around the campground, playing

13:31

with other kids, you know, bike riding.

13:37

He ends up befriending a couple,

13:39

Catherine and Richard Decker. The

13:41

Deckers are there temporarily for a few months.

13:43

They begin to talk to Gordon Jensen a

13:45

little bit more, get to know him a

13:47

little bit more. And he

13:49

starts to confide in them. He

13:52

says that he's having a

13:54

really hard time raising Lisa on his

13:57

own. something

14:00

was wrong. They heard Lisa

14:02

crying at night, her clothes weren't in

14:04

the best shape. She looks a

14:06

little thin, she looks a little

14:09

dirty. He tells various

14:11

stories about what happened to her mother. I

14:13

think maybe she died of cancer, he said.

14:15

Another story was they were

14:17

in a restaurant, it was robbed, she panicked, ran

14:19

out in the street and got run over in

14:22

traffic. He actually broke down and

14:24

cried. And he was incredibly convincing about

14:27

his grief and about him wanting Lisa to

14:29

have a better life. And

14:34

Mrs. Decker told him, you're

14:36

so lucky, she's so beautiful

14:38

and cutie pie.

14:40

And the couple starts thinking, well,

14:43

we have a daughter who has wanted

14:45

a little girl for a really long

14:47

time, maybe something

14:50

could happen. Gordon Jensen

14:52

eventually presented the idea of them

14:55

taking Lisa on a trial adoption basis.

14:57

And so they take Lisa with them

15:00

down to Southern California where their daughter

15:02

lives and have a

15:04

sort of two week trial period. An

15:10

attorney basically told them, have him sign here,

15:12

here and here, have that notarized and we'll

15:14

file it in the court and then she

15:16

could be yours. You know what I mean?

15:18

Your daughter can adopt her. Once

15:22

the Deckers take Lisa with them down to

15:24

Southern California, she starts to show signs that

15:26

she's been a victim of abuse. And the

15:28

Deckers contacted the authorities and

15:31

she was interviewed. She

15:33

was just an innocent child. She

15:35

was just an innocent child.

15:37

It breaks your heart to see a

15:40

child like that, be traumatized by an adult. And

15:42

they reach out to try to contact Gordon Jensen

15:45

back at the RV park. Presumably in the hopes

15:48

that they could get this adoption.

16:01

When they went back up to

16:03

have him sign the papers, he'd

16:05

quit his job and left. He

16:08

was gone. He was nowhere to be

16:10

found. The

16:14

next day, I started meeting folks

16:17

at the mobile home park, trying to

16:19

find out where he was. There's

16:23

no Gordon Jensen. You know, there's nothing. We

16:26

just knew that we had a guy

16:28

and he abandoned the kid. That's

16:30

all we had. The San Bernardino

16:32

detectives talked to the owner,

16:34

proprietor of the business, and actually

16:36

asked him, is there anything in here that only

16:39

that guy touched? And he goes,

16:41

yeah, he went out to the store, I gave him money,

16:43

and he bought that, you know, VCR

16:45

surveillance system for the campground. We

16:48

went in the game room, and he said he installed all

16:50

this stuff in here. I said, I

16:52

wonder if he's got some prints on that

16:55

panel. We took the first plate off,

16:57

and sure enough, it was wiped clean.

17:01

You could see where he had taken a cloth and

17:03

wiped on the inside. We took the second

17:05

plate off, and

17:08

lo and behold, on

17:11

the inside of that second plate, there

17:15

were eight fingers. We

17:17

hit the jackpot. Once he

17:20

got those fingerprints back, it came back

17:22

to another name. Curtis Kimball. Curtis

17:25

Kimball. Gordon Jensen is

17:27

Curtis Kimball. It

17:29

turned out that he had

17:31

been in a drunk driving

17:33

accident with Lisa in the car in

17:36

Orange County in the mid-80s. Once

17:39

he made bail, he immediately absconded. And

17:42

then two years after he flees

17:44

the RV park, Curtis Kimball is pulled

17:46

over driving a stolen vehicle. When

17:49

he's arrested, he gives the name

17:51

Gerald Mokerman, along with a matching

17:53

social security number and date of

17:55

birth. I'm going to confirm that

17:57

he is. Humbold,

18:00

Gerald Mokerman, Gordon Jensen, and

18:03

at that point he's taken into custody for

18:05

the charges of child abandonment. He served a

18:07

year and a half in prison and

18:10

was released on parole. The

18:12

day he was released on parole, he

18:14

fled and became a fugitive. And

18:17

it's gonna be almost 10 years before

18:20

police see him again. And

18:30

because her father

18:33

had absconded and

18:35

purportedly the mother was deceased, the

18:37

Deckers couldn't keep her. And

18:40

so she went into child protective

18:43

services. It was heartbreaking for the

18:45

Deckers. She'd really become a part

18:47

of their family. They'd become

18:49

close, very close. I

18:52

think it must have been hard for the

18:54

Deckers to rescue Lisa from this horrible situation,

18:57

only to then have to turn around and

18:59

give her away again. I

19:01

went to her home, picked the child

19:04

up, and took her

19:06

into protective custody. No

19:10

one realizes it yet, but the story of

19:13

Lisa is gonna be the

19:15

beginning of so many things. It's gonna be

19:17

the beginning of forensic genealogy as a technique.

19:21

It's gonna be the beginning of how the

19:24

Bear Brook murders get solved. This

19:27

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can start the story in New Hampshire. You can

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start the story in California. It

21:41

is a sprawling interconnected web

21:43

of anecdotes that sort of

21:45

unbelievably connect. Police say

21:47

the hunter discovered the bodies wrapped in

21:49

plastic in a barrel. If

21:53

you tried to write this as a

21:55

fictional story, I think people would say it's too

21:57

unbelievable. But it's the

21:59

way it's going. happened. Police

22:03

were 15 years into the case

22:06

and still very much at step one.

22:10

Police had a few initial theories but they really

22:12

didn't pan out. No one in the community seemed

22:14

to know anything about who these people might have

22:16

been. No one seemed to be missing. Who are

22:19

you? Who are the victims?

22:23

And who's responsible for this? Tips

22:25

would come in or people would have ideas,

22:28

you exploit those until

22:30

they just simply ended and

22:32

then the case would essentially go back on the

22:34

shelf again. No one has been able to identify

22:37

the bodies. The mystery bothers residents today. It's

22:39

cult. This is the definition of a cult

22:41

case. Cult

22:50

changes in the year 2000. A state

22:57

trooper by the name of John

22:59

Cody is sort of informally assigned

23:01

the Allen's 10 case to look

23:04

into. The first thing that I

23:06

did was actually go to the evidence repository

23:09

to see exactly what

23:12

the barrel looked like. The

23:16

barrel was dark in color on

23:18

the inside and rusted on the

23:21

outside. It was very surreal that

23:23

a mother and daughter were actually

23:25

inside the barrel itself, disposed

23:27

of like common trash. And

23:31

those things don't happen in New Hampshire. I

23:36

made the decision to go out and try

23:38

to locate the actual area that this barrel

23:40

was found in Bearbrook State Park. You're

23:45

torn between the beauty that you're

23:47

seeing as you're walking and the

23:49

knowledge that this

23:52

area is actually where two

23:54

victims were disposed of. In 1985, this is

23:57

the area that's The

24:00

hunter found the barrel. As

24:06

I came back out, I

24:08

noticed just the terrain difference here off to

24:10

the left, and it kind of drew

24:13

my attention, so I started to walk out towards

24:15

that area. I

24:22

was just about to wrap it up for the

24:24

day, and there was like a hump in the

24:26

terrain. It wasn't something that was

24:28

natural. As

24:33

I'm walking towards it, you're trying to

24:35

talk yourself out of it. It's probably

24:38

nothing. I saw the

24:40

black plastic, and

24:43

that's when my heart started to race a

24:45

little bit. I

24:48

peeled back a little of the plastic, and

24:51

there was a bright white substance inside. I

24:54

lit it up with my flashlight, and I

24:56

remember distinctly seeing the outline of a bone.

24:59

I started to think this doesn't look good, and

25:02

then when I peeled back the plastic a little

25:04

more and illuminated it with my flashlight, it

25:06

was very evident that this was a human bone. There

25:11

was a million things going through my mind. Was

25:14

this an area that somebody was dumping their

25:16

victims? Did we have a serial

25:18

killer? So

25:24

what John Cody finds in this second

25:26

barrel are two more victims. Two more

25:28

children were found in another barrel. All

25:30

were victims of homicide. Two little girls.

25:33

One estimated to be between the ages of one

25:35

and three, the other between the

25:37

ages of two and four. Like the

25:40

other victims, they were killed with blunt

25:42

force trauma to the head and

25:44

stuffed in these barrels and wrapped in

25:46

plastic. So what was an

25:49

adult female and a little girl is now

25:51

an adult female and three little children. And

25:54

the obvious place that that takes investigators

25:56

is to imagine that this was a

25:58

family. It certainly was. was

26:00

a big turning point in the case. There had to

26:02

be a missing person's report out there similar. Unfortunately,

26:06

they quickly ran out of leads, and

26:08

somewhat surprisingly, were not finding any missing

26:10

person's case that matched. How

26:13

can you have a mother and three daughters,

26:16

a whole family, just disappear? Who

26:18

else there is looking for them, and where

26:20

are they? There is a neighbor.

26:23

There is a sibling. There is

26:25

an aunt. There is a pediatrician. Somebody

26:28

knows who these kids are. If

26:30

this could happen to these people, it could

26:32

happen to somebody else around here. There's something

26:34

so wicked going on right now in

26:36

this small town. To

26:41

understand how this case is going to

26:43

get solved, we have to go

26:45

back to California. There,

26:48

a woman named Eun-sun Jun is

26:50

introducing her new boyfriend to her

26:53

family. Eun-sun

27:02

is probably the closest friend I've maybe

27:04

ever had. We

27:06

met in a ceramics class at

27:08

a community center in Richmond, California.

27:12

Eun-sun was in her mid 40s. She

27:15

worked as a chemist. She

27:18

was an immigrant from Korea. Eun-sun

27:21

was a free spirit. We

27:24

always said she was like a bohemian. She

27:27

loved to explore religions,

27:29

explore people, different cultures.

27:33

This woman went around

27:35

the whole world by

27:37

herself. But

27:39

she was like full of

27:42

almost opposite contrasts. She

27:45

was real uneasy about

27:47

trying to meet guys. She

27:50

was lonely. She didn't

27:52

find the love of her life. And

27:55

I think that opened her up to be

27:58

vulnerable to people who would take advantage. When

28:04

there was this new boyfriend, a guy

28:07

by the name of Larry Vannar, she

28:11

wants to introduce him to the family, but

28:14

right away it doesn't go well. I

28:18

opened the door and saw his face.

28:21

I had a chill run down my back that

28:24

I've never in my life ever

28:26

had before. And he stuck out

28:28

his hand to shake my hand and I

28:30

saw the long dirty fingernails

28:32

that just

28:34

creeped me out. Larry

28:38

would just grab and gobble up everything on

28:40

the table and belch and eat

28:42

more and then he'd go sit on the

28:44

couch and I'd just shake

28:46

my head. Just

28:49

a few months later, Bunsen was becoming

28:51

more and more estranged from her family

28:53

and also her friends. Rose

29:04

would call the house and Larry

29:06

would make a different excuse each time

29:08

for why Bunsen wasn't there. She

29:13

was busy taking care of

29:15

her mother. She

29:17

was going to get some therapeutic help. She

29:23

decided she didn't like me anymore and didn't want

29:25

me in her life. Rose

29:32

ultimately grew quite suspicious of that,

29:34

that she issued an ultimatum to

29:36

Larry. I

29:40

want to ensue to tell me

29:42

that she's done with our relationship or

29:45

I'm going to get the sheriff involved.

29:49

And what she did was call the police. A

30:20

chemist living in California has a new

30:22

man in her life. Friends

30:24

and families say she's become

30:26

more distant since meeting Larry

30:28

Vannner. Now one friend says

30:30

Unsoon isn't taking any of

30:32

her calls. And that friend

30:35

is about to take action. In

30:42

May of 2002, Unsoon's friend Renee

30:44

Rose kept calling. Each

30:46

time, Larry Vannner's explanation for why she

30:49

couldn't talk to Unsoon was different. Finally,

30:51

after several weeks, Rose gave Vannner

30:54

an ultimatum. She was leaving

30:56

on vacation for 10 days and she said

30:58

she wanted to hear Unsoon's voice on her

31:00

answering machine when she got back. If

31:03

she didn't, she would call the police. And

31:06

in the end, that's what she did. Roxanne

31:12

Gruenheide, she is working in

31:15

Contra Costa County when this call about

31:17

a missing person comes in. I

31:19

was a homicide detective for the Contra Costa

31:21

County Office of the Sheriff. Someone

31:24

who earlier in her career was

31:26

told by superiors that her reports

31:28

were too detailed. Occasionally I did

31:30

write a little bit too much.

31:33

I think just loves a mystery

31:35

who really thrives on searching for

31:37

the smallest details that can unlock

31:39

the biggest mysteries. The case originally

31:41

came in as a missing persons

31:43

report. Where is Unsoon, June? The

31:46

obvious first place to start is with

31:48

the live-in boyfriend Larry Vannner. So police

31:51

bring Larry Vannner in for questioning. frankly,

32:02

you're not my priest and you're

32:04

not my doctor. I watched from

32:06

this special room where the video

32:08

link is. He was

32:10

polite and soft-spoken and

32:13

very smart and with

32:15

his twinkly blue eyes he could, you know,

32:17

get somebody to maybe to trust him. I've

32:20

always tried to live by the model that there's

32:22

no defense against the truth but

32:25

sometimes it's hard to find out what the truth is.

32:28

All we were really trying to do was

32:30

to determine where Unsoon was and if she

32:32

was okay and he

32:34

wasn't being cooperative with that at all.

32:37

When the Southern fire was

32:39

roaring last month, I

32:42

don't know if you've ever lived in a rural area but

32:45

most people were signed up for the fire fire crew.

32:48

He's just telling stories. He's just trying

32:50

to bide his time and not anything

32:53

about like Unsoon and where she is

32:55

and why you're here in

32:57

this police station. God's

33:00

a passive place in society

33:02

sometimes but I'm just

33:04

not going to say any more about Unsoon or

33:06

myself right now. Larry is

33:08

offering a whole slew of different reasons

33:11

for why Unsoon is unavailable. At first

33:13

he said she was up in Oregon,

33:16

taking care of one of my properties. And then

33:18

at some point he changed

33:20

the story into that she had had

33:22

some sort of a nervous breakdown. If

33:24

she were to get a call from

33:26

authorities that might trigger an anxiety attack.

33:29

And when somebody's story keeps changing, it

33:31

means that they're either made something up, can't

33:34

remember what they told you the first time, or that

33:37

they're lying to you. They

33:40

decide they want to fingerprint Larry Vanner to

33:43

learn more about him. And

33:45

he agreed. He walked into the

33:47

records bureau and allowed us to fingerprint him.

33:49

And we

33:53

very quickly got a phone call from

33:55

the records bureau that they had identified

33:57

him as a paroleat

33:59

lawyer. large by

34:02

the name of Curtis Mayo Kimball. Curtis

34:05

Kimball. Curtis Kimball. He's

34:07

a man who had been convicted of child

34:10

abandonment. All right, Larry,

34:12

your praise came back. You

34:16

know you're in the name, right? Curtis Kimball. Curtis

34:18

Kimball. Ring a bell. No.

34:21

Yeah, that's who you are, man. So what's the deal?

34:24

Who really are you? And

34:26

more importantly, where is Unsoon? By

34:29

the way, he's under arrest. He was

34:31

read his Miranda rights and he declined

34:34

to make any additional statements. What

34:36

the detectives don't realize is how much of a monster

34:38

this guy is. So

34:43

Roxanne and a colleague go over to the

34:46

house to try to find us and see

34:48

where she is. As

34:51

myself and my partner approached the front

34:53

door, we didn't know what we were

34:55

walking into. I

34:57

mean, you always hope that the person

35:00

is okay and that they're alive

35:02

and well. It

35:05

was kind of dirty and just messy,

35:07

but not anything particular that was

35:10

out of place. There's

35:13

no obvious sense of foul play,

35:15

of struggle of any kind. We

35:18

did note that there was an

35:20

apparent lack of women's clothing, property,

35:23

like there were no purses, there were no

35:25

women's shoes. There was only his stuff in

35:27

the house. It was odd. One

35:30

of the interesting things I noted was

35:33

that there were actually some photographs of

35:35

Unsoon on the refrigerator. She

35:37

was smiling and she looked like she was happy.

35:42

And they worked their way around the house

35:44

and around to the garage and

35:46

they opened up the garage door from the

35:49

outside. It

35:53

was packed with stuff. Unsoon

35:58

was an avid potter. and

36:00

she had pottery in various

36:02

stages of being fired and

36:05

glazed. And

36:07

then my partner walked into

36:09

a smallish door at the

36:12

very back, and

36:14

he said something to the effect like, you're

36:16

not going to believe this, like you've got

36:18

to come see this. Roxanne

36:21

takes a few steps down to the crawl space, and

36:24

what she sees is an enormous

36:27

pile of cat litter. Big,

36:32

like four or five feet around, probably

36:34

two or three feet high, and I

36:37

stood there for just a few seconds.

36:41

There was no odor. I

36:43

remember seeing an axe leaned up there.

36:46

There was a lot of blood spatter in the room. They

36:49

bring in the crime scene investigators, look

36:51

into that pile, and they start brushing it

36:54

away. First

36:59

thing that was revealed was a human foot.

37:02

And it's wearing a flip-flop. But

37:04

it was completely mummified. Ultimately,

37:08

the body was positively

37:10

identified as in-sun-jun. The

37:13

cause of death was a blunt force trauma

37:15

to the head. It seemed obvious

37:17

that she was either killed there or

37:20

trying to dismember her there, and

37:22

then just bought the kitty litter to buy

37:24

himself some time until he could dispose of

37:26

her. So

37:34

that night, I don't

37:36

think I slept a wink, and it was

37:39

like the world had turned

37:41

dark and gray. When I

37:43

got up in the morning, I pulled

37:46

my shades back. There was clouds

37:48

and a beautiful blue sky. And

37:53

there was seagulls circling in the sky.

37:55

They were beautiful. And I went,

37:58

this can't be. I

38:03

should close the blinds back up. How

38:06

could it be bright and sunny when Eun-soon's

38:09

dead? Within

38:12

the couple of weeks after discovery

38:14

of the body, Larry Vanner, aka

38:16

Curtis Mayo Kimball was charged with

38:18

the murder of Eun-soon Jun. Investigators

38:22

have not yet proven that any of

38:24

the tools found at the residence were

38:26

used by Vanner to kill Eun-soon. The

38:28

prosecutor in the case, he

38:31

wanted to find some piece of evidence

38:33

that somehow tied Larry Vanner

38:35

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prosecutor in the case, he wanted

39:50

to find some piece of evidence, you

39:53

know, a murder weapon, a print that

39:55

somehow tied Larry Vanner to the act

39:58

of murdering Unsen Jin. What

40:00

they came up with, the

40:02

cat litter. There

40:05

was a huge pile of kitty litter on

40:07

top of Unsen's body. 10

40:10

bags worth of kitty litter. If

40:13

we can find out where he bought all this cat

40:15

litter, there might be a store

40:17

employee who actually remembers it. It'd

40:20

be like a needle in a haystack to

40:22

try to locate the store where he bought

40:24

the cat litter. It's just so many pet

40:26

stores, it would be nearly impossible. And

40:29

so Roxanne sort of

40:31

takes on that challenge and spots

40:33

a detail. I had

40:35

been notified by the bank that there

40:37

was some video of him at an

40:40

ATM using Unsen's credit card. I

40:44

remembered that where that bank was, in

40:46

that little shopping center, there was this really

40:48

cool little pet store, and based on nothing more

40:51

than that, she takes a ride out to the

40:53

pet store. I walked in

40:55

and I said, did this happen, maybe,

40:57

that somebody came in and bought a

40:59

significant quantity of cat litter out of

41:01

the blue? And he goes, yes, there

41:04

was this guy that came in, and he bought 10 of them.

41:07

And they described him to a

41:09

tee. Older guy, gray hair, mustache,

41:11

beard, scruffy beard, bright blue eyes,

41:13

you know. And he goes,

41:15

yeah, he paid cash. Ultimately, the cat

41:17

litter was the key. The

41:21

pre-trial hearings for Larry's murder trial

41:23

begin. And he pleads guilty. He

41:26

doesn't fight it at all. He

41:29

just says, I'm done, send

41:31

me to jail. I don't want to

41:33

talk about anything anymore. He was a huge shock

41:35

to everyone, the judge, the prosecutor, Vanner's

41:38

own lawyer. Roxanne has a hunch

41:40

that Larry Vanner is hiding something,

41:43

that he had this little girl that he

41:45

said was his daughter, and he gave her

41:48

away. Like,

41:50

what was this charge of abandoning a

41:52

child about? I

41:57

think he believed if he... I

42:01

would stop investigating that aspect

42:03

of his past. He

42:05

goes to jail thinking it's done, but

42:08

the case haunts Roxanne, and she keeps digging and

42:10

keeps digging. I'm like, this isn't adding up. Something's

42:14

just not right about all

42:16

of this. So over the

42:18

next months, I

42:20

just absorbed everything that I could about

42:23

his previous crime. I

42:28

was really centered on the little girl,

42:30

on Lisa. There were like little fingerprint

42:32

cards, like with these little tiny little

42:34

hands, and they had their

42:36

little footprints on the back of them

42:38

and little tiny fingerprints, and it

42:41

just made me angry and

42:44

curious. Like, was

42:46

this really his daughter? It's not his daughter. Where

42:48

did he get her? Who did he get her

42:51

from? I

42:53

put in a request to do

42:55

a definitive paternity test.

42:59

She got the blood sample from... Vanner,

43:01

who's now in prison, and she tested it

43:03

against the sample they took from Fiverr or

43:06

Lisa. He

43:10

was not biologically related to Lisa. Mary

43:14

Vanner is... Not. Curtis

43:18

Kimball was not Lisa's father. Gordon Jensen,

43:21

Gerald Mochermans, it

43:23

wasn't her father. Maybe

43:25

Lisa's not Lisa. Once

43:28

Roxanne saw the result of the

43:30

paternity test, she called the

43:32

San Bernardino Sheriff's Office. They

43:35

had handled Lisa's case 17

43:37

years ago, and she was

43:39

about to drop shocking news on them. Here

43:42

I am, years and years later, showing

43:44

up and going, Hey, you have a

43:46

found Jane Doe, I believe. Initially, they

43:48

were like, we don't have a case

43:50

like that, and I'm like, yeah,

43:52

you do. Roxanne basically tells them

43:54

you have a missing person, an

43:57

unidentified victim, who's alive, and

44:00

still has a family after her to me. It

44:04

just made me determined to

44:06

do everything that I could possibly do to try

44:08

to find out who she was. In

44:13

2003, when the San Bernardino Sheriff's

44:15

Department opened a new investigation aimed

44:17

at finding her true identity, Lisa

44:20

was 22 years old. I

44:24

called Lisa and talked to her. She

44:26

really wanted to know who she was. By

44:29

this time, Lisa's an adult she had grown up.

44:32

So this rocks her world even more. Lisa

44:34

learns that her father is not her father. She

44:37

still has no idea where her mother is. She

44:39

didn't even know what her given birth name

44:41

may have been. With

44:47

the realization that he was

44:49

not Lisa's father, we

44:52

started investigating who she was, where he took

44:55

her from. So

44:57

then the mystery becomes whose daughter

45:00

is she and who's her mother

45:02

and where is her mother? Because we

45:04

know this guy kills people. We

45:08

might be dealing not just with someone that

45:10

killed one person, but who is dealing with a

45:12

serial killer. That

45:14

was the genesis of the investigation

45:17

that would ultimately lead back to

45:20

New Hampshire and to the Bear Brick State Park. Please

45:23

have still not identified the bodies of

45:25

one woman and three young girls found

45:27

in 1985 and 2000 in those drums.

45:34

In my Judeo-Christian heritage, there's

45:37

this sentiment around murder that the blood of

45:39

the innocent will call out from the ground

45:41

to God. And

45:43

it's going to find justice because its

45:45

DNA is going to a

45:47

point at perpetrators. And

45:50

how amazing is it that

45:53

it was blood of the

45:55

innocent, it was blood of little Lisa that

45:57

would go on to solve this mystery. It's

46:06

been more than 30 years since the

46:09

discovery of the first barrel in Allenstown,

46:11

New Hampshire. State police

46:13

begin to work with the National

46:15

Center for Missing and Exploited Children

46:17

to revive the case. And

46:20

they come up with new composite

46:22

images of the victims, more high-tech

46:24

reconstructions of what the victims might

46:26

have looked like in life. This

46:28

is the skull, the CT scan

46:30

brought into our software of the

46:32

oldest child. You can see the

46:34

blunt force trauma, the fracture lines

46:36

here. You can sculpt the

46:38

muscles back on the skull and then

46:40

slowly start to work on each individual

46:42

feature to

46:45

come up with the final rendering of the face. Investigators

46:50

revealed the new images of a

46:52

woman and three children whose identities

46:54

remain a mystery. They

46:56

gave some measure of

46:58

humanity to the victims and just

47:00

helped to remind everybody that these

47:03

were real people. So

47:06

in addition to constructing facial

47:08

recognition of the victims, they

47:11

also did DNA testing to determine

47:13

are they possibly related. Forensics

47:16

show the woman is related to two

47:18

of the children, most likely a mother

47:20

and two daughters, but one girl is

47:22

from a different family. So

47:25

who was the middle child became even more of a

47:27

question. The goal was to not

47:29

only report what we found but to engender interest

47:32

in the case because it was constant discussion about

47:34

the fact how can an entire family be wiped

47:36

out and no one come forward. We

47:39

hope that maybe somebody would remember something out

47:41

there and make a phone call, but that

47:43

didn't happen. So

47:45

as the New Hampshire investigators are falling

47:47

flat in their case, Lisa

47:49

in California is still trying to

47:52

figure out her identity. Around

47:54

2015, more than a decade

47:57

After Lisa found out that. Guy

48:00

that it abandoned her wasn't for

48:02

real father. She comes up with

48:04

an idea. See here's that there

48:06

are people using Dna web sites

48:08

to find long lost relatives. My

48:10

could network for her as a

48:12

database as a grown tremendously saw

48:14

recently so up on Ancestry initially

48:17

and we started getting some distant

48:19

cousins. yes. They.

48:21

Are fourth cousins and system And

48:23

it's not simple to find out

48:26

someone's identity based on the identity

48:28

of a relative his back distantly

48:30

related. I

48:33

emailed Dna Adoption and I asked

48:35

if the techniques I use for

48:37

finding for bio families of adoptees

48:39

could also work for looser old

48:42

daughter Barbara resent her That responded,

48:45

So genealogy itself is is doing

48:47

family history research. Genetic genealogy is

48:50

when you then couple that was

48:52

dna. The least

48:54

case was actually kind of difficult because

48:56

normally when you was he was adoptees

48:58

you have some information you know where

49:01

the a boon to give. Him a

49:03

first date and Elisa's case. We had

49:05

no idea where she was from are

49:07

we have was her dna we had

49:09

from her. Dental development when she was

49:11

first recovered. Back in Nineteen Eighty Six

49:13

arm and been estimated that she comes

49:16

with boon about Nineteen Eighty One. At

49:19

the time that I started working on this case,

49:21

Please Who was about thirty five years old? So

49:25

and Barbara got involved. She started

49:27

on this project site on family

49:30

tree Dna and sorry correlating all

49:32

the maps has there. Is

49:36

people. Were. Contacted a

49:38

contact with the relatives also as

49:40

encouraging them to test and sure

49:42

their dna. Barbara spans thousands and

49:44

thousands of hours trying to figure

49:47

out who Lisa is related to.

49:49

She builds a family tree and

49:51

ultimately it leads to a man.

49:54

In New Hampshire, who was leases

49:56

grandfather. How's.

50:01

My jacket one day. I

50:03

my nephew. And

50:05

he was working with a

50:08

sheriff's department out in California

50:10

and day requests is v

50:12

Enjoy Dna. And

50:15

I discovered that I was the

50:17

actual grandfather and Barbary Center or

50:19

is from him. That he had

50:21

a daughter named a Nice Bowden

50:24

and a Nice Is Leases Mothers.

50:27

Or coldly so to let her know that

50:30

we knew who she was. Should

50:33

have very quiet ouster do you

50:35

wanna know your name is is

50:37

very quietly suggests. And

50:40

turns out and and Fat leases first

50:43

name has been don't badass. Dawn

50:47

was voice and Nineteen Eighty One

50:49

issue is only five months old,

50:51

my nose or as Manchester. The

50:54

last time we says grandfather and

50:56

seen Lisa and her mother was

50:58

in Nineteen Eighty One around Thanksgiving

51:00

and Manchester, New Hampshire with a

51:02

mother's boyfriend, a guy by the

51:04

name of Bob Evans. Bob Evans

51:07

had apparently told family members at

51:09

Thanksgiving that they were going to

51:11

be leaving town or that they

51:13

are people money And ah, so

51:15

they would be leaving. A

51:17

week later on a person's hammer

51:19

I went away to invite i'm

51:22

here for Christmas and fall down

51:24

and they were already gone. Their

51:26

neighbors saw me that to has picked up

51:29

in this mess. And

51:31

I never saw her as as as as

51:33

that. We

51:36

had no idea what to do or where

51:38

to go away tests which way to turn

51:40

the presumption was of they're just going off

51:42

to make a new start elsewhere. So when

51:44

they left the area of her family to

51:46

not violence have a missing persons report in

51:49

no real inquiries or or follow ups or

51:51

communications beyond that were had with her family.

51:54

One of the first questions for investigators

51:56

is who is this Bob Evans guy.

52:00

He's a guy who was a plumber, an electrician. He

52:03

would do trade work. Kind

52:05

of a tall, heavy-set man. Kind

52:08

of rough-looking, like, you know? I

52:10

didn't really take to him too much. He

52:13

looked kind of shady. So

52:15

here you have the last person who's seen

52:17

with Lisa in New Hampshire, Bob Evans. Next

52:20

time we see her as in California with Gordon

52:22

Johnson, maybe it's the same person. I

52:25

sent Manchester PD pictures of the guy

52:28

we knew as Curtis Kimball and Gordon

52:30

Johnson. Authorities go to Lisa's grandfather. They

52:32

bring a bunch of Gordon Jensen, the

52:35

guy that had abandoned Lisa in California,

52:37

and they show it to him. And

52:40

right away, he recognizes him

52:42

and confirms what investigators had

52:44

feared, that Gordon Jensen was

52:47

also Bob Evans. Detective

52:52

Peter Headley called Bob Evans an

52:54

incredibly good con man. New

52:57

Hampshire prosecutor Jeff Strelzen had another name for

52:59

him, the Chameleon. He

53:02

clearly had the ability to ingratiate himself

53:05

to other people, to mold himself to

53:07

the situation to get what he wanted.

53:10

By this point, investigators had connected three

53:12

of the four mysteries with each other.

53:15

Unsenjung's murder, the identity of

53:17

Lisa, and the disappearance and

53:19

presumed murder of Denise Bogan. After

53:22

30 years, in 2016, police

53:25

opened a missing persons case with

53:27

Denise Bogan. She'd now

53:29

been with you to missing persons. Then

53:33

a case manager at the National Center for

53:35

Missing and Exploited Children looked at a map,

53:38

Manchester, where Denise Bogan was last seen,

53:41

was only about 25 minutes

53:43

from Bear Brookstone. Denise

53:46

went missing in 1981. The

53:49

first barrel was discovered in 1985. We

53:52

started to look at the time frame and

53:55

the proximity and we're like, wow. There

53:57

is a potential that these two cases could

53:59

be. related. So investigators

54:02

wondered, is Denise the adult victim from

54:04

the first barrel? It's

54:30

been more than 30 years since Denise

54:32

Bode was last seen by her family

54:34

and that launches a new investigation as

54:37

to what happened to her. Where is she?

54:40

Circumstantially, we were able to

54:43

connect the man that abandoned Lisa that

54:45

left with Denise also had connections to

54:47

the crime scene up in Allentown where

54:50

the four bodies were found. As

54:53

far as investigators can tell, Bob Evans showed

54:55

up in New Hampshire in the late 70s.

54:57

He found work as an electrician,

55:00

as a handyman. We knew

55:02

that Bob Evans actually spent a good amount

55:04

of time on that property where the barrels

55:06

were found because he used to fix up

55:08

and do some electrical work at a camp

55:11

store that was right there on the property. We

55:14

started trying to look for any kind of linkage that

55:16

we could between him and the Allentown kids because it

55:18

was clear he was associated with Denise Bode and disappearing.

55:21

And detectives are wondering, is

55:23

Denise Bode the woman found in the barrel?

55:26

The victims from the first barrel that was discovered

55:29

in 1985 were buried and eventually they

55:31

were exhumed, dug up again so that we could

55:33

try to do additional DNA testing on them. They

55:36

take Lisa's DNA sample, Denise's daughter, and

55:39

test it against that victim to see

55:41

if it's her mother. She's

55:43

not the adult victim. It's a big letdown. This

55:46

is a big setback for the police. They

55:48

thought that this mystery was going to finally be

55:51

over and it was just beginning. It

55:54

certainly seems highly likely that Denise Bode was

55:56

murdered by Bob Evans. I think the questions

55:58

are, when? where and

56:00

how was she murdered between New Hampshire and California

56:02

that doesn't really narrow it down. I

56:05

don't think anyone's going to find her. There's

56:07

always that hope, but

56:10

nothing's definite. We

56:13

knew that Bob Evans was the same

56:16

man that abandoned Lisa. We wanted to

56:18

see how, if at all, may he

56:20

be related to the four Allentown victims.

56:23

Remember they know Bob Evans is Gordon

56:25

Jensen slash Larry Vannner. They have his

56:27

DNA. So they test the DNA

56:29

from the bodies and the barrels in New Hampshire

56:31

against the DNA that he left in

56:34

California. And

56:36

what they got back from that result was

56:40

something nobody expected. It

56:42

turned out that the middle child victim,

56:44

the child who was not related to

56:46

the other three victims, she

56:48

was actually the daughter of Bob Evans.

56:53

This now ties Bob Evans to

56:56

the crime scene in Bearbrook State Park. A

56:58

man with multiple aliases who was known as

57:00

Robert Bob Evans during his time in New

57:02

Hampshire. They say DNA shows one of the

57:04

girl victims was Evans' daughter. And there was

57:06

just a moment of, wow, we got it.

57:08

This is definitely him. And we got a

57:10

lot of work to do from here to

57:12

try to figure out who this guy is

57:14

and what the rest of the story is.

57:17

He conjures up all sorts of questions as

57:19

to who is the mother. Is

57:22

she alive? Is she dead? Because

57:25

let's face it, there's a lot of dead people

57:27

in this case tied to

57:29

Evans. And we do fear that

57:32

his daughter's mother is probably another

57:34

victim somewhere. It's

57:37

extremely rare to know who the killer is, but

57:39

not know who the victims are. Usually

57:42

when that happens, that's serial killer territory. The

57:45

whole idea that he actually

57:47

would kill and

57:49

dismember his own child,

57:51

I think it's beyond comprehensive. But the

57:54

important thing to understand with serial killers

57:56

is they have no empathy

57:58

or feeling. or

58:01

caring about anyone. So now

58:03

we knew that this man went by four

58:05

different names, but we still didn't

58:07

know what his true identity was.

58:11

Several months after we learned about

58:13

Bob Evans' connection to the Bear

58:15

Brook murders, Barbara

58:17

Ray Venter, the genealogist who had

58:19

identified Lisa, is called upon to

58:22

do the same thing. Law

58:25

enforcement suspected that there were probably other victims,

58:28

and so they really wanted to know who this guy was and where

58:30

he was from. And so she

58:32

begins to build out a family

58:34

tree of this mystery killer. And

58:37

then using exactly the same technique that

58:39

I used to identify Lisa's parents,

58:42

I determined that he and that was

58:44

Terry Rasmussen from Colorado. Finally,

58:50

investigators have this guy's actual

58:52

identity, and that's Terry Rasmussen.

58:56

Finding out his real name, Terry Rasmussen, now

58:58

we have something to go on to track

59:01

him further back and

59:03

try to find more victims. He

59:05

uses new investigators have just released

59:07

new details about the suspect and the murder

59:10

of four people found in barrels in Allenstown.

59:15

During his time here in New Hampshire, he

59:17

was known as Bob Evans, but his true

59:19

identity is Terry Peter Rasmussen. He

59:23

has been across the country under many different names,

59:26

and while his ties to certain people and

59:28

places have been confirmed, there's

59:30

a lot investigators don't know. His

59:36

original identity was thought to be Curtis Kimball

59:38

because that's what his identity was when he

59:40

was arrested back in 1985. Then

59:44

in 1986, we had Gordon Jensen.

59:48

He would either commit a crime or had committed

59:50

a murder, and he'd change his name and off

59:52

he'd go again. In

59:57

putting together a timeline in a life

59:59

story, of who Terry Rasmussen was, we

1:00:02

learned that he was a husband at

1:00:04

one point and a father of four

1:00:06

children. He

1:00:10

actually got married, he'd had children, but

1:00:12

unlike these victims from Bear Brook, he

1:00:14

had killed them. A family now

1:00:16

coming to terms with the fact that the

1:00:18

man they've been looking for for decades is

1:00:20

a convicted killer. My

1:00:26

name is Diane Kloepfer and Terry Rasmussen is

1:00:28

my father. My

1:00:31

father's real full name is Terry

1:00:34

Peter Rasmussen and he was born

1:00:36

December 23rd of 1943. One

1:00:41

of Terry's children, Diane, gets a

1:00:43

call with this news from New

1:00:45

Hampshire State Police. Just

1:00:49

imagine that State Police from a different

1:00:52

state give you a call and say

1:00:54

they want to talk to you about

1:00:56

something that pertains to your father. Remember,

1:00:58

the last time they saw him was

1:01:01

decades ago. His children were very

1:01:03

young when he left. I'm

1:01:09

at work, plugging away, and I see these two

1:01:11

people from the New Hampshire Cold Case Unit come

1:01:14

into the lobby. They

1:01:16

laid this story out for me

1:01:18

that was what had

1:01:20

happened to my father. He

1:01:25

did all these other pictures from all the times that he'd

1:01:27

been arrested under all these different names. And

1:01:31

these state troopers just unfurl this

1:01:34

sprawling tale and at

1:01:37

the end of the story, the guy at the center

1:01:39

of it who did all of that is

1:01:41

your father. It was

1:01:43

him. The last time

1:01:45

they saw him was decades ago. My

1:01:48

father's been out of my life since I was like six

1:01:51

or seven. My

1:01:56

mother and my father got married in 1968.

1:02:00

in Hawaii. She just told

1:02:02

me that he was the most handsome man that she

1:02:04

had ever seen. And he was charming. And

1:02:07

he swept her off her feet. We

1:02:11

have his eyes. I do.

1:02:13

My sister does. And my brother does. They

1:02:18

feel that they're responsible.

1:02:20

That they're embarrassed about

1:02:22

Terry Rasmussen being their

1:02:24

father. My

1:02:26

father has killed

1:02:31

many people repeatedly. So he

1:02:33

does fall into the definition of a

1:02:35

serial killer. So

1:02:38

he's a serial killer. Oh

1:02:42

my god. You,

1:02:53

that's the first time I've said that. Really?

1:02:58

I do know that my mother tells me, my

1:03:00

father burned my brother with cigarettes. Normal

1:03:03

people don't do that. It's

1:03:05

very hard on Diane, as it would

1:03:07

be on anybody, to learn something like

1:03:10

this. I don't know if my mother

1:03:12

knew his capacity for violence, but I

1:03:14

don't believe that she knew about this.

1:03:18

You said this, but. His

1:03:21

ability to kill women and children. If

1:03:26

my mother wouldn't have left, my father could

1:03:29

have been me. Would

1:03:34

have been me. You

1:03:42

want evil to look evil. And

1:03:44

when I saw his face, he didn't look evil

1:03:47

at all. He just looked in

1:03:49

that picture like any other. Bearded.

1:03:51

No, I'm sure what's. Authority

1:03:56

say they now know Raspy's son was

1:03:58

born in Denver, He

1:04:04

dropped out of high school after his sophomore year in

1:04:06

doing the Navy in 1961. He was

1:04:09

trained as an electrician, served for six

1:04:11

years at bases around the West Coast and

1:04:13

at Okinawa. Terry

1:04:19

Rasmussen got the title of the Chameleon

1:04:21

Killer. When he certainly does

1:04:23

have different looks. The

1:04:26

way that he repeatedly changed his name,

1:04:29

moved on to the next counter state. When

1:04:31

he showed up in a new location he was

1:04:33

usually clean shaven and then he'd grow a beard.

1:04:37

Chameleon is a word that fits. He

1:04:39

didn't even look healthy. His face

1:04:41

was gray. He smokes

1:04:43

constantly. Here's

1:04:47

the type of serial killer Terry

1:04:49

Rasmussen wants. He

1:04:51

would go after vulnerable women with

1:04:54

young children. He would

1:04:56

separate vulnerable women. He

1:05:01

was able to insert himself into families,

1:05:04

tear those families apart, kill the

1:05:06

members that came with him and

1:05:08

then do it all

1:05:10

over again in a couple years with

1:05:12

a different name and a different family. These

1:05:15

weren't just random strangers he crossed paths with at a

1:05:17

truck stop and picked up and killed. These

1:05:20

are people he lived with. This was his own child

1:05:22

in one case. Rasmussen's

1:05:24

victims were intimately known to him and

1:05:26

he spent months or years with them

1:05:29

at times before murdering

1:05:31

them. My

1:05:33

guess is they never realized who he was or

1:05:35

what he was capable of and Thomas grew too

1:05:37

late. So

1:05:45

now we have the identity

1:05:47

of the killer. We still don't

1:05:49

know the identities of the four victims.

1:05:54

It was around mid-October that

1:05:56

I received information that we

1:05:58

had a credible take. tip

1:06:00

that may be able to identify at

1:06:03

least three of the victims of the

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then to the right of that. That is the barrel that we

1:08:00

found in 2000. No

1:08:05

one has been able to identify the bodies

1:08:07

of mystery fathers residents today. The

1:08:10

one thing in this case that will always

1:08:12

stick in my mind until the day I

1:08:14

die is we

1:08:17

don't have Terry Rasmussen around today to

1:08:19

talk to. Rasmussen

1:08:21

died in prison in 2010 where

1:08:23

he was serving time for killing his common-law

1:08:26

wife in California. I

1:08:28

guess dying serves him right. I

1:08:31

wish he'd lived longer so he would have suffered longer

1:08:33

in prison. A

1:08:35

lot of people ask that question. You find out who your

1:08:37

killer is, your killer's dead, and you're used to working on

1:08:39

the case. We knew who he

1:08:41

was, but who are these victims?

1:08:45

We still, first and foremost, do not

1:08:47

know the identities of the four Barabrook

1:08:49

victims. Sometimes

1:08:56

when people go missing, it's obvious.

1:09:00

There's another way that people go missing where

1:09:02

they fade slowly from the lives of

1:09:04

the people around them. One

1:09:08

of the interesting dynamics of this case as

1:09:10

we went along was private citizens taking an

1:09:13

intense interest in this one case. When

1:09:15

citizens get involved in a law

1:09:18

enforcement investigation, it can often hinder

1:09:20

the case. In this case,

1:09:23

the outside influences here made

1:09:25

the difference in this case. It's

1:09:28

not a good thing to do that. It's

1:09:30

a good thing to do that. Becky Heese

1:09:32

is a librarian. She's

1:09:35

also someone who loves

1:09:37

to investigate things. Each

1:09:44

night I would get home and

1:09:46

go onto these message boards

1:09:49

and go through them. Looking

1:09:52

for my brothers Curtis and Dale. I'm

1:09:54

looking for Elsa De Jesus. Looking for

1:09:56

half brother Jason Wayne Hill. Was

1:10:00

looking through. they sort of

1:10:02

exist in this were becky

1:10:04

called and in between space

1:10:06

where people are looking for

1:10:08

people but it's not necessarily

1:10:10

an official missing persons report

1:10:13

says pouring through searching for

1:10:15

any body that has been

1:10:17

looking for a missing woman

1:10:19

and two children. And

1:10:22

she stumbles upon something. And

1:10:28

he thinks it could potentially be the

1:10:30

bearer of victims. There

1:10:34

was a bunch of different

1:10:36

family members that were all

1:10:38

looking for this woman and

1:10:41

her to till then the

1:10:43

ages sitting and then the

1:10:45

locations also fittings. And

1:10:48

as you know what lay a think that

1:10:50

this could be that. Decade

1:10:54

Sense a text message. Has

1:10:57

been trying to track down

1:10:59

this see ill and seems

1:11:02

to me. You

1:11:05

have heart pounding. And

1:11:08

she starts to ask them. You know, when's the

1:11:10

last time we saw this person. Who

1:11:13

see last west and the message she

1:11:15

gets back is killing. She.

1:11:17

Just those and own. By the way,

1:11:19

she married a guy with the last

1:11:22

thing. Whereas nice and. I

1:11:26

stuff. And my responses, oh

1:11:28

My. God. This is Real.

1:11:38

Meanwhile, Barbara resent her genetic

1:11:40

genealogist had also been honing

1:11:43

in on the identities of

1:11:45

the victor. See

1:11:47

reason article about a new

1:11:49

forensic techniques that's able to

1:11:51

extract are some will dna

1:11:54

from rootless hair quite often

1:11:56

one of the things that

1:11:58

is found a crime. his

1:12:01

hair. A criminal may have been very

1:12:05

difficult to wear gloves or whatever, but you

1:12:07

shed hair all the time. Light

1:12:10

bulb goes on. I had the folks

1:12:12

in New Hampshire send hair from

1:12:14

the victims to Dr. Green. I'm

1:12:18

Ed Green. I'm an associate professor of

1:12:20

biomolecular engineering here at UC Santa Cruz

1:12:22

and we do DNA

1:12:25

technology development. They're using

1:12:27

a new technique to extract DNA

1:12:29

from a strand of hair that

1:12:31

no longer has the DNA rich

1:12:34

root attached. He

1:12:37

was able to extract autosomal DNA from

1:12:39

the hair shaft. She

1:12:43

was able to get a profile

1:12:45

to put into the databases and

1:12:47

actually helped confirm through genealogy

1:12:50

research. All

1:12:52

of a sudden you have two people are

1:12:54

solving the Baraboo case at almost the exact

1:12:57

same moment. It's unbelievable,

1:12:59

but that's what happened. After

1:13:05

decades of silence and mystery, officials

1:13:07

announced today that they've identified three

1:13:09

murder victims found in metal barrels

1:13:11

in the woods of Allentown. Good

1:13:16

afternoon. In

1:13:18

2017, we knew the identity of the

1:13:20

Allentown killer, but his victims' identities remained

1:13:22

a mystery. We heard

1:13:24

a report that for three of the

1:13:26

four Allentown victims, that's now changed. Specifically,

1:13:31

we've identified the victims we referred to over

1:13:33

the years as the mother, the

1:13:35

oldest child, and the youngest child. And

1:13:38

here they are. We learned

1:13:42

that the adult victim's name

1:13:44

is Marlise Honeychurch, that

1:13:49

the oldest child who was

1:13:51

found in the first barrel with her, her name

1:13:53

is Marie Vaughan. And

1:13:58

we learned that the name of the child

1:14:00

victim. Her name was

1:14:02

Sarah McWaters. At

1:14:06

the time this woman and her two children went

1:14:08

missing, she had a boyfriend named Carrie

1:14:11

Rasmussen. The same man

1:14:13

we eventually learned was in fact a killer.

1:14:18

Today we return the identities and

1:14:20

the dignity to Mary Elise,

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Honey Church, Marie Vaughan, and Sarah

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McWaters. The

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fourth victim

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found in those barrels remains

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unidentified, but Rasmussen is that

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child's biological father. People

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ask me why I do these interviews.

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There's still one victim out

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there. There's one

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girl who we don't know who she

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is. That's

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why I do these, to

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get her identified and so

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that there's

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closure for the families involved

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here. That's the only reason. Can

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you introduce who you are, how you

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are part of this story? I

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am Paula Marles' sister. I'm

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the brother of Marles and the

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uncle of Sarah and Marie. Through

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the years my mother always said, something's

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not right. Where is she? They

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named three of the four people found in

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those Allentown barrels in 1985 and 2000 as

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a mother and her two children. They

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found information from the woman's family and the work

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of a researcher, as well as

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DNA testing and genealogical research. We've

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identified three of the Allentown murder victims.

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The woman was Marlise Honeychurch. Two

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of the three girls were identified

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as her daughters, Marie and Sarah,

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last seen in California in 1978.

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Investigators say they may have moved

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to New Hampshire with serial killer

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Terri Rasmussen, who went by the

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name Bob Evans here. She

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was bubbly and quirky.

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Yeah, she had a good sense of humor.

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Marlise was born in Stamford, Connecticut in 1954.

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She later married and

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gave birth to her daughter, Marie,

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in 1971. After

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Marlise married her second husband,

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she gave birth to her daughter,

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Sarah, in We

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were at the hospital when she had Sarah. She

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was excited because she had another baby. Marlise

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was excited to be a mom. She

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loved her kids dearly. Marlise

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and her second husband separated in 1978

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and ultimately divorced. Marlise

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Honeychurch is in

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her early 20s, in the late

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70s, when she meets Terri Rasmussen.

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The most chilling aspect is that her boyfriend at

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the time was Terri Rasmussen. The

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person we learned was Bob Evans, the person we

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know is a serial killer. Marlise was last seen

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around Thanksgiving in 1978, and she was with Terri.

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She came to our mothers in

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La Puente. She came

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with this man and

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introduced him as Terri. I

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don't remember exactly what happened.

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and I've just heard that they had

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an argument, Marlies and my mom. There

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was a fight and

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Marlies just said, I'm leaving with Terry. I'll

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see you guys later. And we don't know what the

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argument was about? No. My mom might have said something

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to her as, he's too old for you, why are

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you with him? Or something like that. I made

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her mad and she might have just took off. Our

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mom was very outspoken. We don't know.

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She went with Terry and they left. Never

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called, never contacted nobody,

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just disappeared. You almost know

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what's going to happen. You almost expect it because

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that is what Rasmussen was doing

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in all these cases, was finding

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a way to wedge himself in between

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a single mom in many cases and

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her family. If

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I had always said, one day they're going

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to come walking through the door or my

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nieces and they'll come looking for their grandmother

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or something. And

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that never happened. But

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it's all my mom. She took

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the blame for leaving. It

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just hurts that she doesn't know that

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it wasn't her fault. That she left

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with somebody that was going to be born. We

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know that Marlee's and the girls left

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California during this time and somehow, some

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way, sometime made their way up to

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New Hampshire. We don't know why

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he killed her. One of the theories is

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that he's been sexually assaulting the children. It's

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possible their mother found out about it and

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confronted him. One of the just

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troubling and lingering questions of the case

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is how did the victim's absence go

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unreported for so long? How did they

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just fall off the radar? It

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really makes you think

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about Denise Bowden's leaving Manchester, New

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Hampshire in late 1981,

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some three years after. that Perry was

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with Marlies and in both cases

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no missing persons report was

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filed and years

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would go by and I think the families just

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assumed that they were out there

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somewhere. We did search. We

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did search and we searched a lot.

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It was just a situation where

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every time we searched came

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to a dead end, came to a dead end,

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came to a dead end. I remember seeing

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a photograph. A birthday

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photograph of Marie Vaughan blowing

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out some birthday candles. We

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believe it could be just a few months before

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Marlies went missing with her two children. One

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of the sad things about that photograph is

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it possibly could have been the last

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birthday that Marie Vaughan had. To

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finally put a human

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face and a human story to

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see the real people behind that story was

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very moving. Together we've been able to uncover

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the identity of the Allenstown killer, a

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murderer who tried to erase his victims and

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hide in the process. We know what he

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was, we know what he did and

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now we know who is the one who spoke.

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It felt good to be a part of giving

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them that measure of justice and giving the families

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some answers. A big lesson

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and takeaway in this case is that people

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are never truly forgotten. Just because somebody goes

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missing and maybe because of whatever issues in

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the family they aren't immediately reported missing. Doesn't

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mean that they were loved and are missed.

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Luckily this case was big enough that a lot

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of people never

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gave up on them either. The

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community there just never gave up hope. Because

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if they would have gave up and not followed the case

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and not pursued it, we would still not know

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where my sister and nieces were. So

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that's what we truly need to thank is

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those people. It's kind of bittersweet, you know

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they do have their names back. Everybody

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knows who they are now. names

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on the gravestone, the

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dignity of

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providing these

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victims with a name and have

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them rest in peace. So

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November of 2019, we finally

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get an actual funeral. They

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are laying Marlice

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and Marie to rest. And

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I feel it's my responsibility to be

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here. Here

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you have the family members

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of the murder victims and

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the daughter of the murderer. It's just

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a really powerful moment. My

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father killed your sister and your

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nieces. Why on earth would you want to talk to me?

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We're here today to bury my sister and my nieces.

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The community has offered

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to put them to rest and

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we're fortunate enough to be here for it. I

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don't know that I ever could make up for my father's sins.

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How do you ever make up for something like that? I don't know. My

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father killed your sister and your

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nieces. Why on earth would you want to talk to me?

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I'm sure. They

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all said the same thing. That it

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wasn't my fault. But...

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Because of my father, they lost their sister.

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And their nieces. I'm

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sorry, my dear. Thank

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you. It

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is also a day of great joy. What

1:24:59

was lost has now been found. The

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fact that you have, you

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know, sitting around the gravesite, the members of

1:25:07

the Honey Church family sitting next to the

1:25:10

daughter of the man who murdered them.

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I think it's a powerful... moment.

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The thing that binds us together is this

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horrible thing that has happened here. But

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they treated me... just

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like... just like I was their sister. We

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as a family would like to thank

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the community for caring and loving our sister

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Marlies and our nieces, Marie, Sarah,

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they can rest in peace. Thank you all from

1:25:43

the bottom of our hearts. There

1:25:50

are still, of course, loose ends with

1:25:52

this case. Not every question has been answered

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yet. Thank you. There's

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still one victim out there.

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There's one girl who we don't know

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who she is. I'm

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hopeful that we'll be able to identify who the fourth

1:26:14

victim is fairly soon, but with these

1:26:16

kind of cases it's difficult to predict

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how long it's going to take. It

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seems very hard. I

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hope that I can make comparisons. Because

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my sister is her name. I

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cannot let that just be

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okay to never find out

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what her name is and where's the

1:26:38

rest of her family. We call

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that other little child, we

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named her Angel. And

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the focus from this day

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forward should

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be to find the

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family of that little girl. Diane,

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the Honey churches, they're all

1:27:00

victims of Terry Rasmussen in one way or

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another. And the fact that

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they could share that moment in Allentown

1:27:07

back where it began, it was

1:27:09

a special moment. The

1:27:12

funeral was held so close to

1:27:14

Bearbrook State Park, it really did

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feel like we were back at

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the beginning. This

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is Deborah Roberts. The

1:27:24

search continues for the identity of the middle

1:27:26

child known as Angel. Using

1:27:30

modern DNA technology, authorities have

1:27:32

found that Angel and her mother

1:27:34

are likely descendants of a family

1:27:36

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