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features me, Kevin, Alexandra Stravinsky,

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voice of Jessica Liak, Chloe Kunia,

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Hi! Sorry. You

1:00

gotta give me a sec. I

1:03

was excited. Good evening, Joshua. No

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one will let Kevin do his intro. No,

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you know what? You know what? That

1:18

is the intro. Good evening, Travelers. And now

1:20

you see what I have to deal with. Hi,

1:22

I'm Kevin. I wrote this thing. You all figure

1:24

your introductions out. I'm Carly.

1:27

I'm Chloe. I'm Alexander. I'm

1:29

Joshua. I

1:31

did not write this thing. I

1:33

wrote nothing. He will not

1:36

take the blame for this. I'll

1:39

blame false squarely on my shoulders, but

1:42

today we're going to talk about what blame

1:44

falls on your shoulders. This started off way

1:46

more hostile than I meant to. I'm going

1:48

to ask you questions about you, which is

1:50

sort of the commentary format. How

1:52

are you all doing today? Good. Pretty well.

1:55

Great. We just recorded a

1:58

good chunk Of an emotional. Slowly

2:00

trying Episode: Yes, But

2:03

it ends well so that's a nice. That's

2:06

a nice turn. It over.

2:08

Wow. Boiler. Business,

2:10

it's true. Yeah, you have your

2:12

nothing to the commentary before the

2:14

episode. Man, I don't have

2:16

Never lie, whatever you like yours for

2:18

the about the first became like that

2:21

of the I Agree with him as

2:23

a commentary before the episode Your Renegades

2:25

Yes and Center A Members A Real

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A Real Hot Gum Mississippi. So something

2:29

that I noticed while I was writing

2:31

this thing. I. How's that

2:33

for say way something that I that would just

2:35

don't do one I was an accident I noticed

2:37

and I was right in this thing? How

2:41

for like so many of the

2:43

characters that we haven't this, we've

2:45

had a massive amount of. Just.

2:48

Change between their first incarnation and now.

2:50

And it's not just because in Part

2:52

One, there are struggling we talked about

2:54

that will a bit on the part

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one commentary on. But. Like if you

2:59

think back to the first time that we

3:01

ever met Vesper the first time that we

3:03

ever met Jet back when he was jacket.

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I. I. And of of

3:08

course the first time we ever met.

3:10

You know, although that is is that

3:12

that sort of it's own hizbul Islam

3:14

him a pass many, many thousands of

3:16

years ago acknowledge wealth. And

3:18

although I start how dare you own

3:21

he says. I

3:24

want to see which is good. It

3:26

means that we're doing the right thing

3:28

I, but I wanted to know what

3:30

that at. How is that felt for

3:32

you all? Have there been moments when

3:34

sort of the character has grown all

3:36

at once. For. You when you've noticed

3:38

really big jumps or is it felt really

3:40

gradually. For. Each of you. Close

3:43

your you lose your camera on ass. I've

3:45

been a classroom teacher rules that means I

3:48

have to pick on so I love it!

3:51

Yeah, I mean honestly that this

3:53

might seem like a it kind

3:55

of and succeed censor, but I'm

3:57

certainly said is on the set.

4:01

You know I eat as. He.

4:04

Learned a lot about us

4:06

but in that episode and

4:08

so I did as well.

4:10

I'm. But. Yeah

4:12

but I mean I'd say it's a mixture of

4:14

the to read. I mean it's a. That.

4:17

You. I also

4:20

on the wedding vows is a something

4:22

that Six said to me that was

4:24

like a big oh big man lot.

4:26

yeah I think you learn a lot

4:28

of you know kind of vulnerability. To

4:30

this for doesn't always portray.

4:33

Ah, I'm. And. Or it

4:35

was interesting so I'm not and of I

4:38

learned so much as I felt I'm. Not

4:41

learning is are you know I just I

4:43

felt like I'm that you know yet a

4:45

earth. That. And a dish

4:47

even even more of a dimension right?

4:49

because I think when this characters. Are

4:52

when Vesper and Buddy or first

4:54

introduced? There's this sort. Of the

4:56

via the romance angle very

4:58

strongly and them. And.

5:01

That. Comes back very powerfully

5:03

in the wedding vows. obviously. It's

5:05

a very profound website for have

5:07

a healthy but. I yes, it's nice

5:10

to get back to that. I'm that

5:12

you know the central romance. And

5:15

the other way the I think it's own

5:17

little bits. I mean it. For example, this

5:20

the evolution was to know. I think it's

5:22

sort of a gradual thing, the evolution of

5:24

their. Relationship with each other. I mean,

5:26

I'm. I don't know

5:28

if I can think of a. Particular.

5:30

Moment between the two. Than that says the dynamic

5:33

off the top of my head, but it's certainly

5:35

something you. Notice, I think

5:37

I'm. Yes,

5:40

that's that's an example of. More

5:42

gradual shift. And

5:44

and. That's. Been one of the

5:47

great joys for me of writing Vesper.

5:49

I mean, I'll I'll say now that

5:51

Lewin when we first started with our.

5:54

Project. With the wrinkles we were sitting out on

5:56

season three mess, that was the one that I thought

5:58

I knew least about by. The Law. And

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so I've been like in in this

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episode in last couple, partially because we're

6:06

kind of veering into medical drama a

6:08

little bit. She

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really take sharks ends like I. I

6:13

did not expect how much fun I

6:15

was going to have writing her Dad's

6:17

fun. Of this fund, the kenner like. So

6:19

kisser it expertise a little bit you

6:21

know me even though I'm like I

6:23

can't out but stumble every single time

6:25

I saved and here of methamphetamine it

6:27

says if a lot of sold as

6:29

a lot of the last very long

6:31

were a set of like thrill Vesper

6:33

would not have as much trouble things

6:35

where it I think I'm. Let.

6:38

The yeah with the real stuff you

6:40

know cause there's a real vegetables that

6:42

are not until the purpose of the

6:44

but. Actually, I think law will The

6:47

other thing is like. There's.

6:49

A bit of discovering the catering and is a

6:51

maybe a bit of me putting myself in the

6:53

characters. Well I don't know, I don't

6:55

have you feel this way, but I.

6:57

I am a kind of it of silly person

6:59

and I think. One. Of

7:01

the as one things, well I really enjoy. As

7:04

when the gets to be kind of

7:06

funny if this is not always have

7:08

to funny. Sometimes like. From.

7:11

An outside perspective you know if she

7:13

doesn't realize is funny it going to

7:15

announce by i enjoy that for example

7:17

and I'm i wonder i like i

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dunno maybe they'd be less of that

7:21

if if if the sensitive this a

7:23

goofy for it's set to fit at

7:25

a low level oil or the controller

7:28

idea. Possible.

7:30

Absolutely as it would you

7:32

were. Wow How how's the

7:34

transformation of Jet over Lo

7:36

these many season so ah

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it's fill. All.

7:41

Those that at times so like hurry

7:43

up and wait almost. Ah he made

7:45

a good way because obviously with observed

7:47

like Jet. Where.

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You have. A. dictionary

7:51

gullible former president recover and relapse

7:54

what have you are as well

7:56

as the saline solution self control

7:58

or it becomes a

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matter of you know

8:03

I'm sure when writing it you could

8:05

do it as oh you know he's

8:07

sort of each episode he has maybe

8:09

a fun thing with Juno and

8:11

maybe oh he told Joker or whatever but with a character

8:13

like that who's dealt with what he's dealt with a lot

8:15

of the times it's like it has to be a big

8:18

thing so oh this thing that happened

8:20

with Intendre all these drugs all this other stuff he

8:22

just saw an alien who we thought was his best

8:24

friend and we went to a car. He

8:27

does have a lot going on now that you

8:29

say that. Yeah, because

8:32

there's you know I mean you both

8:34

heard it when I asked for a bit of direction

8:36

where I'm just like is this classic

8:39

jet or is this like you know more or

8:41

more relaxed jet or whatever because you know there's

8:43

times we're in a script it's like oh that

8:46

doesn't it's doesn't sound like old jet but at

8:48

the same time jet doesn't have a reason to

8:50

not be controlled jet so

8:53

a lot of it from an acting perspective

8:55

is working that out but yeah I can

8:57

I can definitely see just

9:00

from like the big thing with Intendre obviously there's a

9:02

huge change with that right now

9:05

he's going through a lot so there's there's a combination

9:07

of I'm in control but at the same time the

9:09

walls are broken down but at the same time they're

9:11

still there kind of it's just there's big holes in

9:13

them right now so I got to patch them up

9:16

and that intimacy that he has to have with Juno

9:19

and all that business and his family.

9:22

Something that I think that you all are fantastic

9:25

at which is one of my favorite things to

9:28

write but it's also a massive challenge is

9:30

the moment when you take a character from

9:32

not really

9:35

a flanderized version themselves from very broad

9:37

strokes and kind of funny and then

9:39

there the trapdoor opens up and you

9:41

see that there is a lot of

9:44

depth underneath there and

9:46

I think you all are very very good

9:48

at both presenting the very

9:51

broad strokes persona that like

9:53

really dominates and then

9:55

opening the trapdoor and

9:58

it's it's been awesome to

10:00

watch. I've really really loved writing

10:03

and adapting these characters to

10:05

you all over the dear god

10:07

years. Yeah, I

10:09

would say that is definitely, that

10:12

does speak to the,

10:16

I guess, quality of the writing and the

10:18

creation of the characters because they are multifaceted

10:20

when it comes down to it and that

10:22

really does help with characterization obviously. Because

10:25

Juno is, Juno, he's obviously got all this stuff,

10:27

he's the narrator, we know what's going on there

10:29

but it was like

10:31

what you were talking about earlier with

10:33

Vespa's expertise, for example, and the fact

10:36

that we have a comedian as a

10:38

voice actor that adds extra

10:40

layers no matter what. It

10:43

could very easily be like, oh she's just angry

10:45

and bitey and all that stuff but then it's just like, oh

10:47

hang on. She's doing something that's easy

10:49

to solve. And

10:52

it's a lot of stuff that you can just dive into and open up

10:54

if you need it. Joshua,

10:57

I'm curious about your answer for this one because

10:59

obviously in your case it's a slightly different question

11:02

because it's over a much broader

11:04

span of time. Has finding

11:08

Juno to where he is

11:10

now, right? Because he's doing better,

11:13

it seems like. It seems like you're having

11:15

a better time. Frankly

11:19

thriving in the scope

11:21

of Juno. Yeah. He's

11:24

on top. Has

11:27

it felt gradual? Have there been big

11:29

transformative moments for you? I

11:32

think, I

11:36

feel like this is a thing that we've kind of talked about a lot

11:38

but just based on what a bunch of

11:40

other people have said so far, the

11:42

thing that I'm thinking about right now is how, well

11:44

the Tao Te Ching says that

11:47

being creates not being. So for

11:49

some reason that's the way that I'm jumping into

11:51

the topic that I'm saying. So Juno opened up

11:53

as a noir PI, right? So we knew exactly

11:55

what he was going to do, we knew exactly

11:57

what he was going to give us. His

12:00

feelings didn't actually hit us that hard

12:02

because they are from a certain book.

12:05

And the world around him being the way that

12:07

it was didn't really affect us. You know, this

12:10

is a world of crime and death and bad

12:12

guys and none of that is a surprise. None

12:15

of that actually affects us emotionally. But as he

12:17

became more cartoony, it added a lot more depth.

12:19

And by showing us the fact that this whole

12:21

time that guy could have been cartoony and

12:25

wasn't, that

12:27

added a great deal of depth to the

12:29

character. And

12:33

I think that certainly changed the way that I

12:36

walk into it. But

12:39

it's much more

12:41

than that changed the way that I hear it. You

12:44

know, there's definitely two penumbras for

12:46

me. There's the one that we're doing right now and the one that I'm

12:48

going to listen to later. And

12:50

I'm aware very much

12:52

of that change in the one that I

12:55

listen to. The fact that, you know,

12:57

having listened to it a couple times now, that

12:59

as Juno becomes

13:01

more of a cartoon, the

13:04

times that he is a depressed PI

13:06

in a noir story are

13:09

actually depressing instead of just

13:11

being the thing you're getting. The times that he is.

13:13

And you know, since we have that noir thing to

13:15

look at, since that's the

13:17

canvas through which we are seeing Juno first, the

13:20

times that he is having a nice time and the times

13:22

that he is being a cartoon also are very

13:24

notable because this is

13:27

Dick Tracy getting hit in the face with a water balloon,

13:29

basically. That's

13:32

where I'm at with that answer. Yeah,

13:34

no. I mean, I still remember a very,

13:37

maybe at the very, very beginning when we

13:39

talked about the Batman to Groucho Marx spectrum

13:41

for Juno's voice. And

13:43

it feels as though he's kind of grown towards a

13:45

secret third option where neither of those completely

13:48

fits anymore. It's

13:52

Moe from Three Sages now. Wow. I

13:55

don't know what to say. And

14:01

Harley. Yeah. Oops,

14:04

you're not immune to this

14:06

question either. Because you've also

14:08

been around since episode one.

14:11

Yeah, that's true. Big

14:13

big transformation for Sasha, especially in this episode when

14:15

we finally find out some of what's been going

14:17

on with her. Yeah, I'm

14:19

happy with what we

14:23

figured out about her because I think

14:27

you and I knew a

14:30

direction that she was going in but had

14:32

trouble figuring out the specifics of it and

14:35

I think felt a lot

14:37

more settled once we decided to really try

14:39

to treat her like Juno's foil in

14:42

this way. And

14:44

then there was, gosh,

14:49

which episode is it? The

14:51

one where they go to her secret

14:55

base to break? Right.

14:57

Since this season that was stone unturned?

15:00

Oh yes, because that's also the

15:02

slip episode. Yeah. Yeah.

15:06

So we kind of, she's not there but

15:08

we're learning about what's been going on

15:10

with her and we find out that

15:12

she's been erasing herself and in this

15:14

episode we get the payoff of why

15:17

she did that and what

15:19

her point was. And

15:25

it's kind of interesting watching

15:27

her unhinge and having taken on

15:29

this impossible

15:36

job only to discover that it

15:38

is in fact impossible. And

15:42

there are parts of what she has going on

15:45

that I get

15:50

and I think that's important to me and

15:52

to us in writing a villain anyway that

15:54

you don't want it to be totally

15:56

unrelatable. And

16:00

she has this idea that

16:04

progress is kind of the

16:06

bane of humanity, that maybe things would

16:09

be okay if we could just stop

16:11

movement from happening, that

16:13

all bad things have happened because

16:15

people just wouldn't sit down.

16:21

Which I think is interesting and

16:23

like a tough thing to grapple

16:26

with. And it's interesting because I don't

16:28

think that Juno really

16:31

needs to say, that's not true,

16:33

here's the answer actually, I've solved

16:35

it. Basically

16:38

what he says is, well I did the line

16:40

that you wrote that I really loved, which was I did my

16:42

best and it was better than nothing. And

16:45

I'm very happy with that as his

16:47

smaller response to an impossibly

16:49

big problem that Sasha's downfall

16:51

is trying to tackle on

16:53

an impossibly big scale. And

16:59

you know honestly I'll

17:03

let you all in on a secret,

17:05

which I may have said before,

17:08

which is that I hate playing her. Yeah,

17:12

I hate it. That

17:14

has, it's

17:16

not because I think she's a bad character, it's

17:19

just for personal reasons because

17:21

we wrote her for me when I was a girl. And

17:25

she was so written for that

17:27

version of me. And

17:31

that's not who I am anymore and

17:33

it makes me incredibly uncomfortable to

17:36

inhabit that again

17:39

because her femininity

17:41

is for me tied to

17:44

so many other of her negative attributes. I'm not

17:46

saying that this is how women are, I'm saying

17:48

this is how I was. I

17:50

was a female and I'm

17:55

really uncomfortable going back to

17:57

that. So I

17:59

don't like it. The Like by. Yeah,

18:02

I mean we're a were very comfortably

18:04

at the end of this arc now.

18:07

Yeah. I've so indelible and the put that

18:09

out. it's been a running thing with

18:11

you that we don't it. I don't

18:13

actually don't know how clueless as to

18:15

the audience but the thing that happens

18:18

in a lot of seasons were hardly

18:20

to guy you can or becomes the

18:22

big bad is not intentional. I'm semi

18:24

of what else have to. Have

18:27

twice as. Big

18:31

as we had the we have the parana who

18:33

is supposed to be a bit villain until I

18:35

until I put the other ones the say. Oh

18:38

yeah, that's a good friend. right?

18:40

Yeah, neither of us were intentional, but

18:42

stroke. Read. The ad when when we came

18:45

up with saucer she was not. Ever going

18:47

to be the bell and and know them and then.

18:49

It. For. Me.

18:53

I mean I think of myself as

18:55

a villain but these is assume since

18:57

Camillo know pad I'm reading. That's what

18:59

I love. All the seventy eight just

19:02

kept on being the case. that like

19:04

we had set something up sorted by

19:06

accident. That. Was exactly what we

19:08

were looking for. And

19:10

each of those things that we had

19:12

set up where characters that you voice

19:15

as by complete coincidence. Yeah, I'm.

19:18

Not a get rid of him. And says

19:20

get of all out. Of

19:22

can I can ask a thing and of

19:25

curious would you want has would you wanna

19:27

play like l a not villainous characters. Physicists

19:29

of what I. I

19:32

could be a sudden change of thing on

19:34

this show or in her. Now I would

19:36

not like to play a character on this

19:38

show. Know that I know Hero Horlicks God

19:41

You Banner is. Now

19:45

I don't like it. I don't. I

19:47

used to like it and now I

19:49

do not like it. in part because

19:51

I can't direct myself, yell at, say

19:54

I just feel like I'm still learning

19:56

and a sub par performance. As

19:58

compared to the people who care. The directed and and also

20:01

just like the other actors are better than I am

20:03

so I don't really like to do and I'm like

20:05

I'm pretty and pretty dumb a that. Will

20:09

hopefully. hopefully it doesn't have any. I

20:11

don't even think we have any other

20:13

voices to of for to take a

20:16

villain turn for you to tears. As

20:18

I said, I think you mean I'm

20:20

able to threaten us, I think we

20:22

may be able to comfortably. God is

20:25

your retirement. A

20:29

specific. I'm. So.

20:31

The other thing that I wanted to talk

20:33

about the whole group since especially Catalan. The

20:36

recording we did today was about group dynamics.

20:38

we are in a new recording said it.

20:40

Yeah. Today we

20:42

are all online and first off hardly

20:44

do you want to talk about what

20:46

online recording has looked like before this

20:49

as Hires and Point I've mentioned it

20:51

before we it is starkly have to

20:53

stand at the assume and so we

20:55

would have group rehearsals and then individual

20:57

recordings. That's what we started doing in

20:59

the pandemic and as we get. Toward.

21:02

The end of both of these season,

21:04

it's become harder and harder to get

21:06

back to the studio even though we

21:09

do still have access to the studio

21:11

because. We. Have a tight

21:13

timeline. A lot of people

21:15

have moved. And.

21:20

That. Like it then they're recording studios. schedule

21:22

is itself what it is and so

21:24

we have to move more and more

21:26

of an online even though we theoretically

21:28

could do it in person sell were

21:30

using a new platform where we can

21:33

all be online at the same time

21:35

which has pros and cons. Pros: Because

21:37

it takes less long to do a

21:39

given singing, I don't have to do

21:41

it individually with each actor cards because

21:43

it's it's much harder to juggle. Public

21:45

Aztecs Adam the audio portion of it.

21:49

So of the hopefully a bit sounds like

21:51

the the real benefits come in the the

21:53

sound design. Portion. Of

21:55

the events. Of

21:57

other sound. As I and it's really the direct.

22:00

Like it's yeah, it's helpful to direct

22:02

everyone at once and to be able

22:04

for the actors to be able to

22:06

actually act opposite each other Yeah, I

22:08

like that. I'm not That's

22:12

a real benefit Definitely

22:14

better and that's something that's

22:16

been important to us for a long time because

22:18

and this is not knocking how other people Do

22:21

their stuff? It's just a matter of Kind

22:23

of individual creative style, but I know that a lot

22:25

of other I Shows

22:27

that are put together similarly to

22:30

ours will have all the actors

22:32

record completely solo That's

22:34

certainly how animation animators do

22:36

it, right? Right? And

22:41

I don't know and I think Harley it's been

22:43

really important to you from very early on to

22:45

get as much like well To bring in as

22:47

much as you can from the stage, which I

22:49

know is yeah. Yeah The

22:55

last thing that I wanted to talk about Was

22:58

the the gambit that? Seals

23:01

things at the end of this episode the Arinko's

23:03

big gambit and this

23:06

one I just wanted to talk about because it's really fun to do

23:08

a long setup And

23:10

this was a very very very long For

23:15

faking the Faking the

23:17

cure mother prime at the very end of

23:20

this episode, right? How

23:23

long have we been setting that up Harley Like

23:30

at least since the end of season three, yeah, I think

23:32

since the end of season three I

23:35

might not have anything more interesting to say about it I

23:41

didn't even want to brag about it part of it

23:43

is that there is like There

23:46

I guess I wanted to market because

23:48

there is a joy and there's a terror

23:50

in doing things like that And

23:53

it is always so relieving when

23:55

we get to parts like that

23:57

in like a rehearsal and

23:59

people aren't looking at me like

24:01

I have three heads right

24:03

like it appears to make

24:05

sense to everybody. Yeah I might

24:07

not have anything more interesting to say about that. I

24:10

mean it's interesting to hear it I was actually before you said

24:13

I was gonna be like oh yeah hey did you plan like

24:15

how long have you had the plan? Yeah I was curious

24:17

about that. Have you thought that since the

24:19

beginning of destroying the cure

24:21

mother? Yeah I think we've

24:23

had that idea since then right Yes

24:27

I think we did and that's why

24:29

it was very specifically

24:31

set up so that it exploded

24:34

onto Juno so that it would be

24:36

on his clothes still. So

24:40

has someone put a car inside the Ruby 7 and that's

24:42

how she knows how to be a car? Oh

24:47

little toy car. Okay

24:49

be a car. Wait

24:52

so here's I have so many questions

24:54

but does the

24:56

Ruby 7 like being a car?

24:58

Like is that? It

25:01

seems to. Yeah because it could

25:04

make any form. Yeah it's

25:06

car identifying. What color is the

25:08

Ruby 7 when it's not a car? I

25:17

hadn't thought about that. That is

25:19

a really good question. Can I

25:21

say something that might sound totally

25:24

bonkers but I

25:27

don't know what everybody else's picture of

25:29

the Ruby 7 is not as a

25:32

car but for me the total I

25:34

don't know why I can't shake the

25:36

image is have you all

25:38

seen Annihilation? I've read

25:40

the book I haven't seen it. You know at

25:42

the end well okay spoilers I guess there's

25:44

two Natalie Portmans it's the whole thing and

25:47

there's like this alien creature

25:49

that's like mimicking her

25:56

forms and that's what I picture but if

25:58

nobody else has seen that Vivid Analysis A

26:00

Look it up you. I think I know what

26:02

you're talking about. Maybe I don't really do like

26:05

and co. Like choreographed thing where

26:07

they're like. I. I

26:09

would like to. Oh yes everybody mobile.

26:11

It's like Smulders the metallic looking for

26:14

his metallic licking. I was my pleasure.

26:16

sorry sorta like that. like sort of

26:18

an alien me. Kind. Of

26:20

look in thing I and my head I'm

26:22

sort of meddling burden Lulu show. He.

26:24

Things from like Sonic Adventure to In

26:26

On only guys in a burn, money sitting

26:28

on his worse. In

26:32

terms of color, it turns out the scripts

26:35

does say I thought I ended up residence

26:37

described a sleek molten silver. One more thing,

26:39

I love one another. Glad he one thousand.

26:41

I'm sorry I have never read any one

26:43

of your scripts and thoughts on Sept. That's

26:45

not the only way out of the silver

26:48

metallic as I'm sure I read that on

26:50

the I Write Health or as know what

26:52

Her a harley like early got it on.

26:54

The nose we we are like we often

26:56

are. were thinking about the T one hell

26:58

of a girl Israel where they were thinking

27:00

and thinking about a. Yeah, I did.

27:02

My guess I'm just thinking of

27:05

Natalie Portman sitting. On

27:08

a lot I did. I think. That

27:10

as an multiple, multiple little and deadly portman,

27:12

a sausage suit threat. The so travelers sound

27:14

off in the comments: Are you thinking about

27:16

the T One thousand or him? Like, Worry

27:19

about that. Only part of this. Episode and

27:21

I were a courtesy briefly. I think

27:23

it's a it's such a nice because

27:25

I mean when the cure Mother Prime

27:28

does explode, it's really. Depressed. Well.

27:32

As other sites that so that remains in

27:34

that you know. That's how I got something out of it.

27:37

Is best for lot of people rights. I don't

27:39

get through the lot. In terms of

27:42

like. Changing. In

27:44

terms of like. A

27:46

whole world building or whatever. Has

27:48

a cure Mother Prime been fully release? That

27:50

would have been almost. May. Be

27:53

too big of a story. To really pizza

27:55

actually been radical right percent

27:57

of my sentences. That is because

27:59

that. Does fundamentally. jobs ashes

28:01

right from a storytelling arrive at

28:04

the we can't Learn java. Neither

28:06

does or says that. The implications

28:08

are so much that it's a little bit of. A

28:10

yeah I'm not had already have to

28:13

do that is primed with game breaker.

28:16

It right at that point the whole story becomes

28:18

of of the cure Mother Prime and it to

28:20

the at what else I mean yeah you know

28:22

as soon as I your but I i think

28:24

that are being able to have. Some benefit from

28:26

it is a really nice. As

28:29

great because it it does it is that

28:31

part before is so hopeless. From

28:36

some you know at says oh

28:38

as. A nice and the I liked it I

28:40

was is my surprise. So currently are leaving.

28:42

correct me if you disagree by thing

28:44

a very often the overarching over the.

28:47

Over. Seasons vibe that were

28:49

often going for sort of

28:51

grim but hopefully yeah, which. I

28:54

think out that is I think so. I think. Also,

28:56

this is an example of something I was

28:58

just talking about movies. In the last comedy that

29:00

we did, I don't remember, but I'm. But.

29:04

Ah, About this idea of

29:06

storytelling where I feel like. Sometimes.

29:09

It's looking for the correct answer even though

29:11

that sounds crazy. Yeah And so in this

29:13

case it was like, well, okay, it can't

29:15

get exactly as close as it can't be

29:18

fully released out into the world. This can't

29:20

just have a perfectly happy ending because that's

29:22

way too big and we just simply can't

29:24

do as less. Not the right answer, but

29:26

the right answer is also not. Well, it

29:29

gets blown up enough fat because then what

29:31

was the point of everything that we went

29:33

for early for any and all of season

29:35

raider So that's not the right answer? Slam

29:37

into the answer. Must. Be okay, some

29:40

portion oh that of it

29:42

is preserved We we. We.

29:45

the a rent goes and we the audience

29:47

games some same from everything that we went

29:49

through. yeah even if it wasn't everything that

29:51

we had hoped oh i to go to

29:53

been very and said specific against it would

29:55

have that it would have a soon i

29:57

think I think another thing the factors and.

30:00

for me, right, is even though we're

30:02

writing sci-fi, we're writing fantasy, we're writing

30:04

impossible things, like the

30:06

emotional impact of the problems and

30:08

the solutions needs to be relatable.

30:11

And I think something swooping in

30:13

and solving all problems forever, as

30:16

depressing as it is, is just not relatable. It's not

30:19

a thing that an audience can latch onto, and that

30:21

I can't latch onto. And if I can't care about the

30:23

story, then the story is not going to get written. It

30:27

reminds me of the Monty Python

30:29

bit that is an

30:32

America where everybody is a Superman. So

30:35

the biggest superhero is the guy who can fix a bicycle.

30:38

Bicycle repairman! Yeah, exactly. Right. Oh

30:40

my god. You need to adjust

30:43

your stakes to universal power. Yes.

30:45

Totally. Also, is the doggy dreaming? Yeah, she

30:47

is. I wanted everyone to see. Yeah, I... She's running

30:49

in her seat. I

30:52

was a little distracted. I could

30:54

see the little paws. Yeah. Well, what

30:56

you can't see is that

30:58

her eyes are like demonically rolling in

31:00

her head. Secret

31:03

pint place commentary appearance. Yeah.

31:06

Sorry that I couldn't show her to everyone

31:09

listening. I can't imagine it. All

31:12

right. I think that that

31:14

does it for us. Yeah. So

31:17

thank you all for joining

31:19

me here today. Mm-hmm. And

31:22

thank you travelers for joining us. Don't forget to

31:24

sound off in the comments about if you're thinking

31:26

about the T1000 Natalie Portman or

31:28

pint place sleeping piece sleep. I

31:31

would really... I would love to know. Thanks

31:34

everybody. Are there comments to sound off in? Yeah.

31:37

There are comments on Patreon. You started the whole

31:39

sound off in the comments. I wish I could

31:41

see the comments. I did invent that phrase. Well,

31:43

you started doing it in commentaries. Is there a

31:45

way for us to see the comments or no? Probably

31:48

not, right? I started to read it in the comments because

31:50

I thought there were not comments. There were

31:53

comments and people did it. Amazing.

31:56

Wow. Yeah. You

31:59

got what you wanted. I know, you'd have to get

32:01

into the Patreon, but we can screenshot them and send

32:03

them to you. Ah, I'm just

32:05

curious, I don't know, it's okay.

32:09

Thanks everybody, we'll see you all

32:11

later, bye bye. Bye.