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Hollywood makes a movie with

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some of its top stars in an election

0:58

year about a supposedly

1:00

tyrannical presidential figure and

1:02

the civil war that

1:04

ensues. Here we go.

1:07

Woke Hollywood again makes

1:11

actually a pretty good movie. I

1:25

will give you my formal,

1:27

proper review. The

1:30

number, based on a scale of 20 for

1:32

some reason, because my producer, Mr. Davies, took

1:35

Common Core math or something. I will give

1:37

you the precise review in just

1:40

a moment. First, though, I will tell you the story.

1:43

I'll set the stage. There's

1:46

a president. He's in his third

1:48

term. He has attacked

1:50

American citizens. There's an

1:52

insurrection. Two groups that

1:55

are insurrecting against the president. They're

1:57

the Western forces, the WF, a

2:00

group out of Florida as well. We

2:03

begin with some

2:05

war journalists, Kirsten Dunst

2:08

and a guy whose name I forget. And

2:11

they're taking photos, they

2:14

end up at a hotel, and

2:16

they hatch a plan. They are

2:18

going to get to Washington, D.C. to

2:21

interview the president and take his

2:23

picture. They are joined by their

2:26

old mentor, played by

2:28

Steven Henderson, who's a great actor. He was

2:30

in Fences. He kind of cut his

2:33

teeth doing August Wilson plays and

2:35

a lot of Broadway. A very, very good actor

2:37

and a young girl who wants to be Kirsten

2:39

Dunst. And she wants to be a photojournalist. Kirsten

2:42

Dunst, already amid the battle, is helping

2:44

her out. And you can

2:46

see the beginning of a mentor-type relationship. So

2:49

it was initially just going

2:51

to be Kirsten Dunst and that guy whose name I

2:53

forget, and they're going to drive to D.C.

2:55

But then the old guy

2:57

and the young girl tag along and

2:59

they set off. The movie is

3:02

not so much a

3:05

political harangue or... It's

3:10

not even really about any

3:12

particular issue. It's a road trip movie. It's not

3:14

even really a war movie. It's a road trip

3:16

movie, which are some of my favorite kinds of

3:18

movies. And so they're off. They take

3:20

off and immediately

3:23

you see in episode after

3:26

episode that this war is

3:31

spreading throughout the country, but you don't really know who's

3:33

who. So the Kirsten Dunst

3:35

character becomes famous for

3:38

her coverage of the Antifa

3:40

Massacre. But what

3:43

does the Antifa Massacre even mean? Is

3:46

it that Antifa massacred people? Is it

3:48

that Antifa was massacred? Remains

3:51

totally unclear. Presumably the

3:53

president is kind of

3:55

a Trump figure because the popular culture says

3:57

that Trump is tyrannical and blah blah blah.

3:59

blah blah, but he

4:02

doesn't really act like Trump. And

4:06

if he is a Trump guy, then are

4:08

the insurrectionists the good guys? They're kind of

4:11

portrayed as the bad guys. Didn't

4:13

the American right during the Obama administration

4:15

present Barack Obama as a tyrant? Is

4:17

it? Who's who? We just

4:19

don't know. There are

4:22

two elements of woke

4:24

in the movie. The first one

4:26

is that pretty much all the bad

4:28

guys are white guys pretty much kind

4:31

of and pretty

4:33

much all the good guys are not white guys.

4:35

There are the racial minorities are women that

4:38

guy Jesse Plemons I think his

4:40

name is who now plays just

4:42

every villainous white guy, middle American

4:45

character in every single shown movie.

4:47

He plays a really, really bad

4:49

guy who is just executing civilians

4:52

and who almost kills the

4:55

young girl journalist and some

4:59

other racial minority journalists who joined the fray.

5:01

That's kind of woke, you know, white

5:03

guy, bad, everyone else good. The

5:06

even woker element of the movie is

5:09

not pro Democrat or anti Republican.

5:13

The wokest element of the movie

5:15

is the pretense that journalists are

5:18

objective from the beginning. Kirsten

5:20

Dunst is teaching this young photo journalist

5:22

girl that in order to do

5:24

their jobs, they just need to go and

5:26

take the photos when

5:28

they stumble on a couple of guys being

5:31

tortured by white

5:33

guys at a gas station. The

5:35

young journalist feels an impulse to help the

5:37

guys that the people

5:40

being tortured and Kirsten Dunst says, no,

5:42

our job is not to help. Our job is

5:44

not to hurt. Our job is not to really

5:47

be involved in any way. We're just

5:49

there to document from we're totally neutral

5:51

observers. And that of course is what

5:53

the journalists think about themselves, but that's

5:56

not how journalism actually works. This

5:58

is what we hear from the Libs of the United States. all the time.

6:00

The journalists were the fourth estate.

6:03

We're under attack by the conservative

6:05

forces in America, but we're valiantly

6:07

speaking truth to power, but they

6:09

never do that, of course.

6:12

And journalists never really did that. I'm

6:15

not saying there's no such thing as a

6:17

war correspondent that shows some bravery. Of course

6:19

that exists, but journalism broadly does not exist

6:21

just to tell the story neutrally. Journalists

6:24

are mouthpieces and propagandists for

6:26

respective political sides. That's

6:29

really always what it had been in American history.

6:31

That's why you have newspapers like the Tennessee Democrat,

6:33

for instance. And then after the

6:35

Second World War, all the liberal journalists just

6:37

pretended to be neutral, even though you'd have

6:39

someone like Walter Cronkite. Mr.

6:41

Objectivity, Walter Cronkite was a world federalist.

6:44

He was a huge lib, and that's

6:46

true of so many of them. So

6:48

that part I felt was woke

6:50

and lib, but kind of unwittingly so,

6:53

in a way that most people

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probably on both sides of the aisle would

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Spoilers ahead. They

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move in on Washington DC. The

8:22

insurrectionist forces are there. The

8:24

president seems like he's fleeing, but that

8:27

smart journalist Kirsten Dunst, she knows he's

8:30

still in the White House. So they go

8:32

in, they find him. There's

8:35

a little creativity here in that the

8:37

White House press briefing room is

8:40

just in the White House, which

8:42

is not true. It's actually a little separate

8:44

building off to the side. But the forces

8:46

make it in there, they see the

8:48

White House spokesman, the press secretary, and

8:51

she's trying to negotiate the release. The insurrectionist

8:53

forces just shoot her, shoot her dead. And

8:55

even here, you're

8:57

wondering, okay, is

8:59

this a pro-Republican thing or a Trump

9:02

thing or this? But it's very unclear. The White House

9:04

press secretary is a black woman in

9:08

the liberal victim

9:11

hierarchy. This is a

9:13

very sympathetic character. And

9:15

she is being rebuffed and

9:18

interrogated by another black woman. And

9:21

then there's a man and it's just, it's

9:23

very unclear. Are these insurrectionists the

9:25

good guy? I thought insurrectionists were the bad

9:27

guys. But the president had a

9:30

third term and he was killing American citizens.

9:32

And it's just totally, totally

9:34

ambiguous which side is

9:36

which. They make it in and

9:38

they find the president. They

9:42

surround him. And

9:45

the journalist, the guy whose name I keep

9:47

forgetting, finally says,

9:50

stop, stop, don't shoot, stop.

9:52

And you're waiting here for

9:54

the journalist to say

9:57

it's wrong to kill the president. This is a wrong,

9:59

and he says. Before you

10:01

shoot him, I got to get a quote. Because

10:03

I drove all the way across the country and I need to

10:06

get a quote and I need to get a picture. And

10:09

the quote, another big spoiler here, says, Mr. President,

10:11

you have a quote? And he says, don't let

10:13

them shoot me. Don't stop them from

10:15

killing me. And he says, okay, that'll

10:17

do. They shoot him, he gets his

10:19

picture. As all

10:22

this is happening, the

10:24

increasingly aggressive young girl who wants

10:26

to be the curious to none's

10:28

character, she's being bolder and bolder

10:30

and bolder. She's taking photo after photo after

10:32

photo and she's in the line of fire

10:34

for the president's forces. Here's to none sees

10:37

this. She jumps in to push her out

10:39

of the way. Here's to none's get shot herself. And

10:42

as she falls dying, the young

10:44

photographer girl snaps her picture, snaps

10:47

her death, which is a call back to

10:49

a set up earlier on in the movie when

10:51

the young girl asks Kirsten Dunst,

10:53

if I were to be shot, would you

10:55

photograph my death? Kirsten

10:57

Dunst says, what do you think? Implying

11:00

that the job is

11:02

just about documenting. You got to kill your feelings.

11:05

You have to kill your desires. You

11:07

were just there to observe

11:09

and to snap that

11:12

camera. All

11:14

other desires have to go out

11:16

the window. And so you get this

11:18

lovely call back and inversion of that by

11:20

the end of the movie. That

11:23

part does not really speak so

11:25

well of journalists necessarily. It plays

11:27

into the mythology of journalism, but

11:30

it also portrays the journalists as

11:32

psychopaths who are just power

11:35

hungry, extremely ambitious and trying

11:37

to get clicks, trying to create the

11:41

kind of content that

11:43

will attract a lot of attention. They

11:46

would say perhaps they're doing it

11:48

for historical purposes. To

11:50

get the truth out there, a

11:53

more cynical viewer would say, you

11:55

know, you're doing it just so you get more eyeballs on

11:57

your pictures. That's a big

11:59

question here. That. The journalists are

12:01

supposed to be totally focused on the

12:03

truth. The truth a bubble fact we

12:05

see in the real world day. Despite

12:09

what they may say, Journalists.

12:12

increasingly mocking the idea of the truth. Just.

12:15

This week, just as the movie is coming out,

12:17

you have the new Ceo of Npr mocking the

12:19

very notion of truth and saying you know we

12:21

don't We don't want to be guided just by

12:23

the truth. Everyone has their own truths. Man, you

12:26

know we want to be guided by something other

12:28

than the truth. Which. Of course is

12:30

is true in the real life of

12:32

journalism. They. Kill the

12:35

President. And. Then it ends with pictures.

12:38

Of these insurrectionist standing around

12:40

the president's dead. Body.

12:45

The movie Overall pretty good

12:47

because of that. Nobody's.

12:51

Totally. A hero Kirsten Dunst is

12:53

probably the closest to at nobody's

12:55

totally the villain. It's

12:57

It's not a political harangue in any

12:59

way, it's just kind of of. Fun

13:02

thriller. The acting is excellent. Steven Henderson,

13:04

who plays the old Guy is really

13:06

an excellent character actor. They're all pretty

13:08

good. Even the young girl who's not

13:10

quite a season is the other one

13:12

streets you with in pretty good performance.

13:14

Do this All Go is actually A,

13:17

oddly enough, At. The time that

13:19

were all complaining about how Hollywood is

13:21

to woken bts over the head with

13:23

his politics. This movie which is. On

13:26

the surface, extremely political. Or

13:29

is a breath of fresh air because it's just kind of a

13:31

fun thriller. So on

13:33

a scale of lame to epic,

13:35

pure moviemaking, zero be blamed him

13:37

being epic, I'd give it a.

13:42

Seven. Seven

13:44

or eight. Maybe even a I'm You know

13:46

what? I'm feeling Generous Said I was given

13:48

an eighth of a seven and a half.

13:51

Seven of. My

13:53

lad to do have, I don't

13:55

care. My show of the other

13:57

tests them on the scale of

13:59

woke to Trap zero being work

14:01

ten, being trad. Or

14:06

if is almost totally note rights to

14:08

nice to journalists as the really the

14:10

only problem as a little tough on

14:13

white guys have been first foreign have

14:15

a foreign house so what does that

14:17

can be. Four

14:19

and a half. Plus seven

14:22

and a half. Their.

14:24

The for at a through. Who says? what?

14:26

about twelve? Twelve.

14:29

Out of twenty. The

14:33

Frigate. Now this stupid scale that my

14:35

producer Mr. Davies. Came

14:37

up with is really

14:39

a counterintuitive anything ten

14:41

and over. His.

14:44

Watchable. I is. Actually that's a pretty

14:46

good score. I would

14:48

recommend it because it is addressing

14:50

of oppressing anxiety. People.

14:53

On both sides of the aisle. Really? Do feel

14:55

like the country coming up there? And

14:57

the right about that they the country actually is

14:59

coming forth and that the civil society is free

15:02

at this was a way to deal with that.

15:04

That. Doesn't exacerbate the problem. Had

15:08

Hollywood come out with with a Civil War movie.

15:11

That. That were totally one side and said you

15:13

know, Republicans are tearing country Barton Trump is a

15:15

threat to democracy or whatever nonsense. I would say

15:17

that would have been pretty bad no matter how

15:19

good the movie was. A

15:21

But. That's not what they did. They.

15:24

They're tapping into a

15:26

cultural anxiety. Dealing

15:29

with it in a way that leaves

15:31

a lot of the interpretation up to

15:33

the audience. And ultimately discouraging

15:35

civil war there's some people who are really

15:37

gung ho for civil war on the left

15:39

on the rights I'm. Because if

15:41

there were to be a civil war that would entail me,

15:44

I don't know. Like shooting my cousins or something, right? I.

15:46

Call. Me a wallflower, but that doesn't

15:48

really interest me. And fierce

15:51

the has won a movie. she says I

15:53

covered these wars. Overseas.

15:55

And I thought the the one bit of activism

15:57

they could come out of it is just by

15:59

showing story. It when it more and

16:01

people not to do this year but here we

16:03

are. Another. Recurring theme that

16:06

their relatives they're just on the farm somewhere they're

16:08

just pretending this isn't happening there she walk into

16:10

a town this is pretending that it's not occupied.

16:12

The war is if the the civil society as

16:14

an unraveled is a shop owner to say me

16:17

I try to ignore I I try not to

16:19

watch the news too much. And

16:21

if it's very unclear if is warmer Forty is

16:23

doing anything. I mean they get to the end

16:25

They are the at the mentors died trying to

16:28

save them or he he ends up getting shot

16:30

and the same he gave his life for nothing.

16:33

Because they're taking all these pictures but was even

16:35

looking at them. Most of

16:37

the people that we encounter in the movies, they're not

16:39

even paying attention to the news. Who's.

16:42

Just. It oddly

16:44

enough for of just kind of

16:46

silly summer thriller. It. It

16:48

touches on his social questions. With.

16:51

A great deal of sophistication and it's a it's

16:53

a good movie. And then they get to

16:55

the guy from Parks and Rec to be the President. Look.

16:58

Offerman. And were funny little

17:00

little cameo performance. I

17:02

know I wanted to. I went in expecting to

17:04

hate it. It had all

17:06

the ingredients to be absolutely odious.

17:11

What? Can I say was pretty good. His. Prognosis:

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