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folks, drop in. Good

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to see you man. Thank you. We first

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met, what was it like at least 20 years ago

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right? 22 years ago. Was it 22? Mhmm.

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Wow. So, I had seen

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your movie and I don't even remember how I

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got in touch with you. Because this is before

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my podcast. I don't even remember. You emailed me.

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Okay. So did I email you off your website? Is that

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what it was? I think so. And then you said if

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you're ever in LA, let's meet. And I

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happened to be in LA when you

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sent me the email. Ahh. Synchronicity. Yes.

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Yeah. So, let's

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take everybody on this journey with you. So

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you were a young man. You

0:52

were fascinated by NASA. You

0:54

were a NASA fan. You had NASA

0:56

photos on the wall of your room.

1:01

What happened? What happened

1:03

to you that you, you're essentially

1:06

you're known worldwide as

1:08

the leading proponent of the moon

1:10

hoax theory? You're the guy who's researched

1:12

it the most. You're the guy who can

1:15

auto recall the most

1:17

information. And you're

1:19

the guy that the people that believed the moon

1:22

landing was real hate the most. So

1:25

how'd this all happen? Well,

1:28

let me start by saying a comment

1:31

about what you said. Theory. You

1:33

know, it's not a theory. They

1:35

did fake the moon landing. That's a fact.

1:38

Whether people realize it or not. Okay. But

1:40

we weren't there. So let's

1:42

just go on what we know in terms of facts.

1:45

And I'm going to call

1:47

it a theory. Okay. You're so polite.

1:49

Just for fun. I'm just trying to – well,

1:51

I'm going to have to steel man some of

1:53

the arguments against you. You know,

1:55

obviously. I mean, this

1:57

is a fascinating but yet very challenging.

2:00

challenging subject. I

2:02

think today more

2:05

people are aware of

2:07

the insanely widespread

2:09

deception that the government

2:11

was involved in during

2:14

the same time as the moon

2:16

landing. I think this is important.

2:18

And I know a lot of

2:20

people who get very angry

2:22

when you question the moon landing, they

2:24

use terms like patriotism, they –

2:27

national pride, like we did this incredible thing, the

2:30

scientists that we have, I understand

2:32

what they're saying. I understand where they're coming

2:34

from entirely. But

2:37

we have to look at

2:39

things realistically if we're ever

2:41

going to get an accurate

2:43

picture of how the world

2:45

works. And

2:47

I think if we look at the time that

2:49

we're talking about, the Nixon

2:51

administration, we talk about the Gulf of Tonkin

2:53

incident where they got us into Vietnam, where

2:55

there was a bullshit false flag that wound

2:58

up killing how many people? Was it like

3:00

a million people dead because of that? Three

3:02

million people, including 58,220 Americans. Okay,

3:06

there's that. There's Operation Northwoods during

3:08

the same time period. Operation Northwoods

3:11

was a plan

3:13

that was signed by the Joint Chiefs of

3:15

Staff where they were going to initiate false

3:17

flags to try to get us into a war

3:19

with Cuba. They were going to blow up a

3:22

drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba.

3:24

They were going to arm Cuban friendlies

3:26

and attack Guantanamo Bay. So

3:30

there's the Bay of Pigs. There's all

3:32

these things – there's the Kennedy assassination

3:34

itself, which they still won't release the

3:36

files. There's

3:38

the moon landing. The

3:40

moon landing – and then there's Nixon, getting Nixon

3:42

removed from the White House, which I didn't know

3:44

was a giant government operation too. Tuck

3:47

across and laid that all out and I was like, what? And

3:49

then I read a bunch about it. What

3:52

he's saying is totally true. This

3:55

One's the one that people hold onto the most

3:57

because it's a source of national pride. and it

3:59

is also – Though what the accomplishments

4:01

of Nasa, the Commerce went to

4:03

the scientific community Accomplishments of these

4:05

people that are able to make

4:07

things like the stealth bomber and

4:09

all the wild shit the we

4:11

know that is absolutely real. A

4:14

Space Shuttle, Spacex, all the amazing

4:16

engineers and scientists he seems to

4:18

a lot of people that by

4:20

calling the moon landing sake, you're

4:22

discounting that work. you're discounting that

4:24

amazing accomplishment. From. Humans.

4:27

What I want people to do. Is

4:30

to say, what did they tell the

4:32

truth about? If. You if this

4:34

is the one saying that you're willing to

4:36

hang your hat on this. I know the

4:38

lot about everything. They lied about. Everything they

4:41

would the lied about Mk Ultra. They were

4:43

dosing up jobs and brothels with acid in

4:45

monitoring them. They'd they'd Oh, stop Charles Manson.

4:47

They probably trained him how to be a

4:50

cult leader in prisons. The whole Mk Ultra

4:52

thing is one hundred percent legit. Verified this,

4:54

plenty documents on and. They

4:57

dig spear Minimum people with acid didn't

4:59

mind control experiments on people. What? What

5:01

did they tell the truth about? What

5:03

did they one what they said? You

5:05

know what I know where liars and

5:07

we get people killed and where you

5:09

know funneling money here in their book

5:12

lists. we can't lie on the moon

5:14

landing guys everybody agreed. Never really great.

5:16

This one. this one we're going to

5:18

be. This is just what it is.

5:20

what it is. And. We're

5:22

going to give the scientific community access

5:24

to all the data as everybody knows,

5:26

verified or enough. third party people test

5:28

everything to make sure it's verified. Well.

5:32

We. Brought up a bunch of good points. My

5:36

opinion is really the opinion of

5:38

the exits. For example, Robert Kennedy

5:40

Jr. is one hundred percent certain

5:42

he has more access to the

5:44

Jfk files and Oliver Stone does.

5:46

He's one hundred percent certain that

5:48

his uncle President Kennedy was killed

5:50

by the Cia. Then, as you

5:52

mentioned, the Gulf of Tonkin, Robert

5:54

Mcnamara before he died. Got.

5:56

it off his chest said that

5:58

the gulf of tonkin incident the

6:00

Pearl Harbor incident that got America

6:03

behind the Vietnam War never happened.

6:05

He and the CIA completely fabricated

6:07

it. Congress passed a law,

6:10

the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, that led

6:12

to the death of 3 million people

6:14

and 58,220 American

6:17

soldiers without cost. So

6:20

if the corrupt federal government is willing

6:22

to kill their own duly elected president,

6:25

if they're willing to needlessly kill 58,220

6:29

of their own soldiers, I don't think

6:31

they have a problem faking an image

6:34

of the moon on television. The problem

6:36

is it's a positive lie. You see

6:38

whoever killed JFK, you're just changing who

6:40

did it and why. He's still dead,

6:43

it's still a tragedy. Or 9-11. You

6:45

can change who did it and why,

6:47

but all those people are still dead.

6:50

This is a positive lie and

6:53

people don't want to give up that

6:55

candy and I come along and say, wake

6:58

up and smell the manure. Some

7:00

people are like, well I know America

7:02

has gotten bad, but at

7:04

least we went to the moon.

7:07

And people need to realize the

7:09

sheer arrogance of the

7:11

federal government to pull off the

7:13

moon landing fraud when there's virtually

7:15

no eyewitnesses except three government

7:17

employees and a picture we have to

7:19

trust is on the moon from

7:21

the federal government. So it was

7:23

actually very easy to fake and in answer

7:25

to your first question, I

7:28

was more than a supporter. I was

7:30

gaga idolizing the moon landings

7:32

with my father in the Air Force

7:35

and giving me a packet of pictures

7:37

of Apollo 11 and as I moved every

7:39

two years from house to house,

7:41

they were a prominent place of

7:43

glory on every bedroom wall from city

7:46

to city. What changed? Well,

7:48

what changed is having an open mind.

7:50

And when, but was there a moment? Yeah,

7:53

there, well the first moment was I'm, so

7:55

from the age of, I was asleep in bed when

7:57

it happened, but at age

8:00

four, I got those pictures, saw

8:02

them, I mean even if I

8:04

saw them once a day, that's 3,650 times

8:07

over the next 10 years, probably saw them

8:09

three times a day. So I see these

8:11

pictures over 10,000 times

8:14

believing they're on the moon and being

8:16

thinking it's the greatest thing. And then I'm 14 years

8:19

old and I see

8:21

Bill Kaysing, a former Rocketdyne employee

8:23

who worked for NASA for six

8:25

years on the Apollo program with

8:27

high security clearance only second to

8:29

von Braun who says, look I

8:31

edited a memo from von Braun

8:33

to the Pentagon warning them they

8:36

are not going to make the goal. There's

8:38

only a one in 10,000 chance they can go to the

8:41

moon on the first attempt. And what year was this? That

8:43

was back in 1966 I think.

8:46

And so three years later they went to the moon. Is

8:49

it possible that they were able

8:51

to overcome whatever challenges that got

8:53

him to 10,000 to one?

8:56

Well no, because I mean, so we're gonna

8:58

go over many proofs. Yeah, this is important

9:01

but I mean I need to every step

9:03

of the way. Here's how you can prove

9:05

that's not the case. Okay. Okay just so

9:08

the number one proof that we have is

9:11

simply deductive reasoning because

9:13

today with 54 year

9:16

better rocket designs and

9:18

computer designs, the farthest

9:20

that NASA can send a rocket

9:22

with an astronaut into space is

9:25

one thousandth the distance

9:27

to the moon. That's why they're

9:29

sending mannequins to orbit the moon

9:31

that can't even land because they

9:34

would die from the radiation. So

9:36

what they're really claiming is back

9:38

in 1969 ahead of schedule

9:41

on the first attempt when all

9:43

of NASA's computers had one millionth

9:46

the computing power cell phone, they

9:49

sent astronauts a thousand times

9:51

farther into space than they

9:53

can send it today with 54 year better

9:55

technology. So what they're really claiming is

9:58

they had a thousand times better

10:00

technology in 1969

10:02

than they do today. Not necessarily.

10:05

Well but that is because you

10:07

can't have better technology in the

10:09

past and in the future. That's

10:11

impossible. But they haven't done a

10:13

moon landing program today. So

10:15

if they started a moon landing

10:17

program today, the technology is vastly

10:19

superior. So it would take less time

10:21

to return to the moon. But

10:26

it's taking more time. Right but they're not doing it.

10:30

Like during the Apollo. Because they can't do it. Okay

10:32

that's what you're saying. And I'm with you. But

10:35

the Apollo program doesn't exist today. The

10:38

Apollo program was a massive program to try to

10:40

beat Russia to get the first person on the

10:42

moon. And it was a concerted

10:44

effort by how many scientists, how many

10:46

people were involved, how many employees, how

10:48

many like overall, I mean very compartmentalized

10:50

right. But how many people overall were

10:53

involved in the Apollo moon landing? Well

10:55

a couple hundred thousand. Okay. That's a

10:57

lot of people to organize and to

10:59

mode to focus on one very specific

11:01

goal. That's not happening today. So to

11:03

say that we can't do it today,

11:06

it's like people would say if I was steel

11:08

landing their position. I would say no we're not

11:10

trying to do it today. If we wanted to

11:13

do it today, we could do it today. Well

11:15

actually they are. 400,000 it says. At the peak

11:17

Apollo program employed 400,000 people and required

11:19

the support of over 20,000 industrial

11:21

firms and universities. So here's

11:24

the argument against that it would

11:26

be fake. Everyone would

11:28

know and everyone would tell and

11:30

it would get out. Well let me

11:33

show you how that's not true. First of

11:35

all Eugene Krantz flight director,

11:37

he said out of his

11:39

own mouth that a person in

11:41

the command center in Houston during a

11:44

launch to the moon can

11:46

tell no difference whatsoever between a

11:48

computer simulated flight and a real

11:50

flight. They can't tell the difference.

11:52

It's just a bunch of numbers

11:54

going by on a screen. So

11:56

if a person in the command

11:58

center cannot tell a different And

12:00

how could we as a 10 year old watch it in

12:02

our living room at home? And

12:05

then do you really think the CIA is

12:07

so stupid to tell the person making the

12:09

glove or the boot or the door handle?

12:11

Hey, we're really not going to the moonpeacher

12:13

not to tell anybody and then

12:16

That's wouldn't be the question the question be that

12:18

too many people would have to know but that's

12:20

and it would get out No, it wouldn't if

12:22

someone in the command center doesn't know then the

12:25

command center people can be fooled Once

12:27

the rocket is up. There's only three

12:29

eyewitnesses to it It's actually much easier

12:32

to fake then we realize a bank

12:34

teller and how many bank tellers are

12:36

at Wells Fargo? hundreds of

12:38

thousands 400,000 bank

12:40

tellers probably but do they know what

12:42

the CEO knows about corruption in the

12:44

bank? I don't think so You

12:47

see there's a big difference and then

12:49

we have no independent press coverage World

12:52

War two had a billion or

12:54

more eyewitnesses in Europe, but there's

12:56

no independent press coverage Only

12:59

three people it's much easier to fake

13:01

than people realize and then people wanted

13:03

to believe it I also want to

13:05

put people in the mindset of humans

13:07

that lived in 1969 with an incredibly

13:10

limited access to information I

13:12

think we become incredibly spoiled by the

13:14

internet and by the ability to search

13:16

things and just read debunkings

13:19

scientific papers all these different things that are available

13:21

that you could read today that just we're not

13:24

available back then and You

13:26

knew either what you learned at school

13:28

or what the government or your employees

13:30

told you your employers told you and

13:32

that was it That's that's all

13:34

you had access to so these

13:36

people that were working for NASA

13:38

to think that they had the

13:41

kind of understanding of

13:44

The way things are manipulated that we

13:46

have today There's

13:48

no way they did there's no way they didn't know

13:50

about the Gulf of Tonkin then they didn't know about

13:52

Operation Northwood They didn't know about so many things that

13:54

we know that the government has done The

13:57

Kennedy assassination hadn't happened yet or

13:59

it would happened but they still didn't know who

14:01

had done it. They had wrapped it up

14:03

and said Lee Harvey Oswald asked him, without

14:06

the Zapruder film, without the subsequent investigations of

14:08

it where people said wait a minute, this

14:10

guy kept going back and forth to Russia.

14:13

Jack Ruby was in the mob. What the fuck

14:15

really happened here? Back in

14:18

1969 when the moon landings

14:20

were happening, this is an innocent country.

14:22

People had a much different way of

14:26

looking at things. Well the people were innocent

14:28

but the government weren't. They just killed their

14:30

own president, they just faked the beginning of

14:33

the Vietnam War and they were emboldened to

14:35

fake the moon landing because they had complete

14:37

control over the media and a public who

14:39

wanted to believe it and even people at

14:42

NASA and Command Center couldn't tell the difference

14:44

between the simulation and the real flight. They

14:46

also had a history of faking things.

14:49

They had a history of deception. It was a

14:52

part of the fabric of the organization.

14:54

They were deceiving people all the time.

14:56

They were deceiving United States citizens all

14:59

the time. And they still are. That's

15:01

the thing about the moon landing and why it's

15:03

so significant. I mean let's take

15:06

a look at the two possibilities. Even though they

15:08

went to the moon on the first attempt, had

15:10

a schedule with one millionth of computing power cell

15:12

phone but today they can only

15:14

send astronauts one thousandth the distance. Let's

15:16

say they did that, came back whoop-de-doo

15:19

or they

15:21

lied to the world. They lied

15:23

to their own people. They embezzled

15:26

the modern equivalent of two hundred

15:28

billion dollars. They gave

15:30

them medals of honor for being

15:32

such good liars. They printed it

15:34

on stamps and coins. It's taught

15:36

in university. If that's true, which

15:38

it is, that's

15:40

so much more profound an event than

15:42

had they actually gone. So one of

15:44

the greatest events in human history is

15:47

actually the faking of the

15:49

moon landing. And we have to

15:51

understand these people are still at large. You

15:54

don't say, oh well there's

15:56

a child kidnapper in the neighborhood and

15:59

one child disappears. every month for the

16:01

last 30-40 years. Oh well, what can you do?

16:04

These people are in charge right now. They

16:06

did fake the moon landing. Don't believe me?

16:08

Go to sibrel.com. Watch 17 clips

16:11

for free that prove it. Have you had

16:13

any debates with people that think we definitely

16:15

went to the moon and what you're doing

16:17

is dangerous and ridiculous? Well, the

16:19

most interesting comment I got as I

16:21

showed all this proof to a college

16:23

professor of a major university. All

16:26

this proof. I mean like I

16:28

said shadows intersecting at 90 degrees which you

16:30

can't duplicate in sunlight which means it's electrical

16:32

light which means they didn't go to the

16:34

moon. All this proof. The footage we uncovered.

16:36

Tell me something there. That doesn't mean they

16:38

didn't go to the moon. That means that

16:40

photograph is fixed. Okay, okay. Well why would

16:42

the pictures be fake if they really went?

16:44

Well, you could make the argument that the

16:46

radiation damaged the cameras and they weren't able

16:48

to get real photographs and so they made

16:50

a conscious decision to use fake photographs. Well,

16:53

I think if you were really going to

16:55

the moon you wouldn't dare fake any of

16:57

it. I'd be accused of that. I think

16:59

they had a lot more hubris back then.

17:01

They faked a lot of photographs back then.

17:03

It was pretty common. I mean

17:05

you know the the famous one of the Gemini

17:08

15 where you see Michael Collins in

17:11

a simulation where he's doing a drill and

17:13

he's attached to wires and then they just

17:16

use the same image and blacked it out

17:18

and reversed it. Yeah, so you're saying NASA

17:20

has a track record of faking space or

17:22

lights before then. Yeah, you're right. Or publicity

17:25

firms that work for NASA had a limited

17:27

amount of photos to work with and they

17:29

decided to manipulate some so that they could

17:31

have photos that they didn't have of an

17:34

actual event which really took place. Well, the

17:36

space walk. But what we have is them

17:38

faking being halfway to the moon. Right, but

17:40

they do do things like space walk. They

17:43

do do things like the space center. Yeah,

17:45

that's where it gets confusing. Well, they can't

17:48

leave the Earth orbit. That's where it gets

17:50

confusing. So, the real

17:52

problem, the question is the Van

17:54

Allen radiation belts. Now,

17:58

Operation Starfish Prime. That

18:01

was the operation where they detonated

18:03

a nuke in the

18:05

radiation belts, right? Didn't

18:07

they do something like that? Something kooky? They're

18:09

trying to blow a hole through the radiation

18:11

belts? I've heard that. It's not confirmed. I

18:13

don't know. Yeah, it's secret squirrel stuff. But

18:16

what is operations? Google that. What is operations

18:18

to Starfish Prime? I remember reading that going,

18:20

they did. What? They shot a

18:22

nuke into space? Starfish

18:24

Prime is a high altitude nuclear test conducted

18:27

by the United States, a joint effort of

18:29

the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic

18:31

Support Agency. It was launched from Johnson

18:34

et al. on July 9, 1962. It

18:36

was the largest nuclear test conducted in

18:38

outer space and one of the five

18:40

conducted by the US in space. A

18:43

Thor rocket carrying a W-49 thermonuclear

18:46

warhead designed

18:48

at Lothalamo scientific laboratory and

18:51

a MK-2 reentry vehicle was launched from

18:53

Johnson et al. in the Pacific Ocean

18:56

about 900 miles west-southwest of

18:58

Hawaii. The explosion took place in the

19:00

altitude of 250 miles.

19:02

So is that essentially like where the space station

19:04

is and all that stuff is? That's right. Okay.

19:08

Above a point 19 miles southwest of

19:10

Johnson et al. at a yield of 1.4 megatons,

19:13

the explosion was about 10 degrees

19:15

above the horizon as seen from

19:17

Hawaii at 11 p.m. Hawaiian time.

19:19

So what was the goal behind

19:22

this or at least what was

19:24

the publicly stated goal behind blowing

19:26

up a fucking thermonuke in

19:29

space? Well I guess they were trying to

19:31

see if they could open up the radiation in

19:33

order to go to the moon. They

19:35

knew that the radiation was connected though.

19:38

Was this program connected to NASA

19:40

officially? I think they

19:42

were trying to see if they could

19:44

open away for astronaut to go through

19:47

it. Look at it says there Starfish

19:49

Prime and this always happens cause an

19:51

electromagnetic pulse that was far larger than

19:54

expected. So much larger that it drove

19:56

much of the instrumentation off scale causing

19:58

great difficulty in getting getting accurate

20:00

measurements. The starfish prime electromagnetic

20:02

pulse also made those effects

20:05

known to public by causing electrical

20:07

damage in Hawaii about 900 miles

20:09

away from the

20:11

detonation point, knocking out about 300

20:14

street lights, holy shit, setting

20:16

off numerous burglar alarms and

20:18

damaging a telephone company microwave

20:21

link. These boys were wild.

20:23

They just experimented with a

20:25

nuclear bomb in space and

20:27

it blew out 300 street

20:30

lights in Hawaii. Shout out,

20:32

imagine your burglar alarm goes off because

20:34

the fucking government launched a nuke into

20:36

space. Holy

20:39

shit. The EMP damage to the microwave

20:41

link shut down telephone calls from Kauai

20:43

to the other Hawaiian islands. A total

20:46

of 27 small rockets were launched from

20:48

Johnson et al. to obtain

20:50

experimental data from the starfish

20:52

prime detonation. In addition a

20:55

larger number of rocket born

20:57

instruments were launched from Barking

20:59

Sands, Kauai in the Hawaiian islands. A

21:01

large number of United States military ships and

21:03

aircrafts were operating in support of starfish prime

21:05

in the Johnson et al. area and across

21:07

the nearby North Pacific region a few military

21:09

ships and aircrafts were also positioned in the

21:12

region of the South Pacific Ocean near Samoan

21:14

islands. The location was at the

21:16

southern end of the magnetic field line of

21:18

the earth's magnetic field from the position of

21:20

the nuclear detonation. An area

21:24

known as the Southern Conjecture region

21:26

for the test. So

21:28

does it say why they were

21:30

doing it though? Yeah. I'm

21:33

interested to see like why did you guys do that? Give

21:36

me some sort of a

21:38

logical explanation why you just took a

21:40

fucking chance and launched a nuke

21:43

250 miles into the sky. Okay,

21:46

what did they say they were doing?

21:48

Okay, they began a response the Soviet's

21:51

announcement on August 30th of 1961 that

21:53

they would end a three year moratorium

21:55

on testing began

21:57

in response, right? But why did they do it in I

22:01

understand that they might have did

22:03

nuclear tests back then because the

22:05

moratorium was over. Aliens. Aliens.

22:09

Killed aliens with nukes? That's probably why the aliens

22:11

started showing up more. Well,

22:13

that's all the folklore, the folklore about Fat

22:15

Man and Little Boy, when they dropped those

22:17

bombs. Listen, the aliens started showing up like,

22:19

hey, hey, hey, what are you

22:22

doing? Which I would do. If I was an

22:24

alien, that's around the time I would start landing.

22:26

Like, as soon as they

22:28

start dropping bombs on cities, like, Jesus Christ. So

22:30

we know they did that. That's

22:33

a real thing. Why'd they do it? The

22:37

speculation is that they were trying to open up a

22:39

portal to make passage through the Van Allen radiation belts

22:41

possible. Now,

22:44

the people that say that it's easy to go through the Van

22:46

Allen radiation belts will tell you that it's a donut. It's

22:48

not a full – it's not like covering

22:50

the entire sphere of Earth evenly, that there's

22:52

openings at the top of the planet. There's

22:54

openings at the top and the bottom. Is

22:56

this correct? Well, yeah, but then they would

22:58

have to launch at the North Pole or

23:00

South Pole, where it's not possible to launch

23:02

because of the temperatures. That's the only

23:05

way you could do it, to get through those holes? That's

23:07

right. According to NASA's own flight plan, they

23:09

went directly through the center. That's

23:11

why they launched in southern Florida, to be

23:13

close to the equator. Okay, so what they

23:15

would say is that it's not that dangerous,

23:17

and it's just like being exposed to a

23:20

few X-rays, and that the people

23:22

were shielded. Well, go to sabrel.com and

23:24

watch a latest clip about it. Well, I'm just

23:26

clear right there, but you're right there, so I

23:28

just don't want to give you the opportunity. Yeah,

23:30

I've been saying what they would say to you.

23:32

The clip there is of Kelly Smith. He's an

23:34

employee at NASA explaining something that

23:36

most people don't know, which is above

23:39

the Earth, starting at about 1,000 miles

23:41

and extending about 30,000 miles. There's a

23:44

huge band of radiation that

23:47

astronauts would have to go through

23:49

to the Moon and through again

23:51

back. First he says it's dangerous,

23:53

meaning deadly, and then he says

23:55

that the technology for an

23:57

astronaut to go through it to the Moon

23:59

and back answers. survive has yet

24:01

to be invented. Let's listen to

24:03

him say that. And when

24:05

did he say this? I think he said that in 2014. Okay.

24:10

All right. Jamie will find that. We'll pull

24:12

that up. But

24:14

that would be the argument against

24:17

the moon landing be a hoax. Let's

24:20

go. Navigation and guidance for Orion. We

24:22

are headed 3,600 miles above Earth. 15

24:27

times higher from the planet than the International

24:29

Space Station. As

24:35

we get further away from Earth, we'll pass

24:37

through the Van Allen Belt, an area of

24:39

dangerous radiation. Radiation

24:45

like this can harm the guidance systems,

24:47

onboard computers, or other electronics on Orion. Naturally,

24:51

we have to pass through this dangerous zone twice, once

24:54

up, and once back. We

24:59

must solve these challenges before we send people through

25:01

this region of space. We

25:04

must solve these challenges before we send people through

25:06

this region of space. We

25:09

must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space.

25:11

Okay. Did you just say that over and over again? Yeah.

25:14

Okay. He said it was for Orion though.

25:16

Excuse me? He said it was for Orion.

25:18

You think he was talking about a different time period. He

25:20

said you would have to solve it for when Orion was

25:22

traveling. When was Orion? He

25:24

said you must solve these challenges before

25:26

we send people through this

25:28

region of space. What was he talking about

25:30

though? He was talking about sending people beyond

25:32

Earth orbit through the radiation belt. What's

25:35

this video from? What's that? What's

25:37

this video from? Yeah.

25:40

What is it? He said 2014. Yeah,

25:42

I think so. And what was

25:44

this? The Orion Project was to

25:47

have a step toward going to the moon. And what

25:49

year was this? I think he said that in 2014.

25:52

So the Orion Project was a

25:54

new project to go to the

25:56

moon in 2014, just not its focus. Correct.

25:59

They were using part of that space. craft on the

26:01

Artemis mission when they send mannequins

26:03

through the radiation belt. He says

26:06

we must first solve these challenges

26:08

of radiation protection before

26:11

we send people through this region of

26:13

space. Meaning the technology to

26:15

send an astronaut through the radiation and survive has

26:17

not been invented. Well that's not exactly what he's

26:19

saying. I see where you're going with this but

26:22

what he did say that was it was dangerous

26:24

radiation. You wrote deadly in all capital letters but

26:27

what he was just saying it was dangerous

26:29

and he specifically talking about instrumentation. He

26:32

didn't say dangerous in terms of like to

26:34

people. Right because that would be more of

26:36

a clue that they didn't go to the moon

26:38

so he didn't mention that. It would be

26:40

a thing that you would go but hey

26:43

how did they do it and then

26:45

you would open up a can of

26:47

worms. Right he says we must solve

26:49

these challenges of protecting the astronauts before

26:52

we send people right through this region

26:54

of space. Meaning people cannot

26:56

go through it until the radiation shielding

26:58

is developed and it has not yet

27:00

been developed a way to

27:02

send astronauts through it and survive in 2014.

27:06

So if it's not been

27:08

invented in 2014 yet then

27:10

it wasn't invented in 1969.

27:13

Well I think another thing that's important to

27:15

say that if you're saying that radiation is

27:17

dangerous to instrumentation and it's going to be

27:20

dangerous to bodies. But

27:22

I'm saying even if you don't say that

27:24

even if you're not people. Yeah he did

27:26

say people before he sent people but he

27:28

could you could say imply not saying this

27:30

is true but by what he's saying that

27:32

what he's saying is instrumentation would be damaged

27:34

and that would be dangerous. Well

27:36

and he also included people before we send people

27:38

through this region of space. But it could be

27:40

because they would lose their instrumentation. You could interpret

27:43

that. I'm just trying to be as generous as

27:45

possible. We're overly generous. They're trying to be. So

27:47

what does this say? This is from Reddit. Someone

27:49

says this is the full context of what he

27:52

says in that clip. Okay here it is. My

27:54

name is Kelly Smith and I work on navigation

27:56

guidance for Orion. Before we can send astronauts in

27:58

space on Orion. We have

28:00

to test all the systems only one way to know

28:03

if we got it right fly it into space

28:05

For Orion's first flight no astronauts will

28:07

be aboard the spacecraft is loaded with

28:09

sensors to record and measure all aspects

28:12

of the flight In every detail we're

28:14

headed three thousand six hundred miles above

28:16

Earth 15 times higher

28:18

from the planet than the International Space

28:20

Station as we get further away from

28:22

Earth We'll pass through the Van Allen

28:24

belt and anger an area of dangerous

28:26

radiation Radiation like this can harm the

28:28

guidance systems onboard computers or other electronics

28:30

on Orion Naturally, we have to

28:32

pass through this danger zone twice once up and

28:35

once back But Orion has protection

28:37

shielding will be put to the test as

28:39

the vehicle cuts through the waves of radiation

28:42

Sensors aboard will record radiation levels

28:44

for scientists to study We must

28:46

solve these challenges before we

28:49

send people through this region of space

28:51

So the challenges have not been solved

28:53

in 2014. So how could they have

28:55

been solved in 1969? Well,

28:57

the thing is even if they

28:59

did solve it back then If

29:05

What how did they do it? This is

29:07

the question. This is what we know about

29:10

the spaceship The what we know

29:12

about the Apollo 11 what we

29:14

know about the shielding that it had They had

29:16

one eighth of an inch of aluminum now when

29:18

you get a dental x-ray

29:21

They use one quarter

29:23

inch lead and

29:25

so that's for one 24th

29:28

of a second they would be in that for

29:30

an hour to an hour and a half going to the moon

29:32

and an hour to An hour and a half coming back So

29:35

what would that be the equivalent to roughly

29:38

in terms of like x-rays? It would be

29:40

100 times more than a

29:42

lethal dose according to their own reports

29:44

Which are documented at sabrelle.com all for

29:46

free you go on there and watch

29:48

the videos and read the Okay,

29:51

and to be clear and to be

29:53

clear how many people have gone through

29:55

that supposedly Well, what was

29:57

the first ones the first one there was an orbit

30:00

of the moon, manned orbit of the moon

30:02

before there was a land. Yeah, there were

30:04

allegedly 24 people who have allegedly gone through

30:07

it to the moon and back, but the

30:09

footage we uncovered shows them faking being halfway

30:11

to the moon from Earth orbit. So

30:14

it proves that they could

30:16

not even go halfway to the moon because

30:18

they're faking being halfway to the moon. But

30:21

whatever that footage was, though, in all

30:23

fairness, that footage wasn't released, right? That

30:26

footage was found footage, correct? That

30:28

was outtakes of them faking being

30:30

halfway to the moon, which even

30:32

my greatest critic agrees that is

30:34

them faking being halfway to the moon.

30:37

And they're doing it from Earth orbit and it's

30:39

dated two days into the flight where

30:41

they're supposed to be halfway to the moon. We'll show the

30:43

video, but if I was going to steel man it, what

30:46

I would say is if I'm training these

30:48

guys to film things and they're training all

30:50

day long to do a bunch of different

30:52

things, one of the things I would

30:54

do is to train them how to film the Earth

30:57

from the moon. And to

30:59

stimulate or to simulate that, I would say what

31:01

you can do is black out all the light

31:03

when you're in low Earth orbit, focus

31:05

on one of those circular windows, put the

31:07

transparency or whatever it is in front of

31:09

the window and practice that way. That

31:12

way we make sure you get it right. Except

31:14

it's dated two days and three days into the

31:16

flight when they're supposed to be halfway

31:18

to the moon. Damn, my steel man is not working. Yeah.

31:21

Okay. I'm just trying. I'm

31:24

just giving ... You have to though, right? Here's something about

31:26

... Don't you think I have to? No, you don't. No,

31:28

you don't. And here's why. Because

31:30

we've heard their side of the story for 54

31:32

years. Right by far. Everybody hasn't. This

31:35

is where you're wrong. No, their side of the story. We've heard

31:37

that the moon landings are real for 54 years. You've

31:40

heard that. But they don't need extra time. But it's

31:42

not they. The truth needs extra time. It's the people

31:45

today that are in the scientific community that believe the

31:47

moon landing's real. You have

31:49

to approach it from the perspective of how they're

31:51

going to debunk your debunk. Okay, well let me

31:53

tell you something else about the radiation. Let's look

31:55

at the footage first, because I think we're just

31:57

... We're beating around the bush. that

32:01

you immediately go, okay, what

32:04

is this? Like, what is this?

32:06

I just want to know what logically

32:08

could this be? The only

32:10

thing that I could think of that

32:12

was logically would be that they're practicing.

32:16

I'm asking though, is this the video I should be

32:18

showing here or not? Yeah.

32:22

Oh, so this is one when you compare

32:24

back and forth, right? Correct. Isn't

32:27

there one of just the actual video that we can

32:29

watch? Well, you could go

32:31

to sabrel.com, click on a

32:34

funny thing happened on the way to

32:36

the moon, or go to the Moon

32:38

Man video link at sabrel.com and pull

32:40

this up, Smoking Gun. I just gave

32:42

you the time cues on the most

32:44

significant part where you could do the

32:46

side-by-side comparison. And the side-by-side comparison is

32:48

for... Well, on the left, Neil Armstrong

32:50

claims this is 130,000 miles out. He

32:54

claims that the camera lens is at

32:57

the glass, and that's the Earth

32:59

floating in space. What's on the right-hand side

33:02

are the outtakes that we got

33:04

an unedited reel of the special

33:06

effect shot by accident. And

33:08

the lights come up and you see... Okay, so

33:11

this is the exact same size image. Correct.

33:14

So roughly the same distance they were really out

33:16

there. So on the left, he claims, and this

33:18

is the part they showed to the public, that

33:20

that's the Earth floating in space, halfway

33:23

to the moon, looking back. Okay. And

33:25

then on the right is the outtakes

33:27

where the lights come up, and you

33:29

see that the camera's really at the

33:31

back of the spacecraft, and that's part of

33:34

the Earth, outside of a circular window, with

33:36

a little crescent piece molded in front of

33:38

it. And that's the take

33:41

on the left-hand side. You're about to

33:43

see Michael Collins break down part

33:45

of the special effect. So

33:48

this is where... This is what I want everybody to look at. Okay,

33:51

hold on a second. This is where it gets really weird. So

33:53

they're saying they're 130,000 miles away, so they're in deep space.

33:57

So that proves it's the window. You see

33:59

that? People standing in front

34:01

of the you we used to think that

34:03

we're looking out into space at the earth

34:05

But now we realize there's people standing in

34:07

front of it. So there's other stuff going

34:09

on So something that there's

34:11

you're filming a room and then that's

34:13

what I leave the window. That's an

34:15

arm Yeah, that's an arm getting

34:17

in front of the window. That's an outtake They

34:19

never showed because it shows that it's a fake

34:21

shot Okay, do you think that that is just

34:23

a piece of the earth in a circular window?

34:25

Well, I mean you think they put something over

34:27

the window the represent the earth Another

34:31

photographer believes it's part. It's like a

34:33

transparency of the there's a circular window

34:35

play out Let's let this play out.

34:37

So that's the window. The point is

34:39

it's the window it back it up

34:41

a little They're using the window to

34:44

create a one-foot model of the earth

34:46

Then they're using the darkness of the cabin

34:49

by blocking out all the windows and it

34:51

looks like it's space Exactly. It makes it

34:53

look like the earth is floating in space.

34:55

So we have them faking being

34:57

halfway to the moon Which means they cannot

34:59

go halfway to the moon and here we

35:01

are 54 years

35:04

later and they still cannot

35:06

go halfway to the moon. That's

35:08

why there's mannequins orbiting the moon

35:10

They said in 2014 and 2018

35:12

they would have people orbiting the moon. They

35:15

were a hundred percent behind schedule Yeah, but

35:17

that's politicians Did they lie

35:19

about everything and they may it might have had

35:21

grand plans and didn't get the funding but this

35:23

is shocking weird stuff Because it's

35:25

hard to explain. It's hard to come up with

35:27

a rational explanation of what this could be Well,

35:30

that's because if they are being being way to

35:32

the moon, right what it is in there But

35:34

we should play the audio so they

35:36

tell and they say in the audio were

35:38

a hundred and thousand 130,000

35:41

miles away right and then they also say which

35:43

is another lie that there's only one window that

35:46

faces the earth and it's filled Up with the

35:48

TV camera meaning rice the lens would have to

35:50

be right up against the window to do that

35:52

But the camera's really at the back of the

35:54

spacecraft with all the lights on let's play that

35:57

being part of the earth outside Of the window.

35:59

It's very ingenious Let's play that so we can

36:01

hear the words. Okay. We can hear

36:03

them say that because it's even more interesting. So

36:05

if you see the footage and then you hear the

36:07

words, you go, what could they possibly be doing here?

36:10

Go to the moon. They're faking being happy. This

36:12

is you. Yeah. Where can we find

36:14

the raw video? The raw video is in a funny

36:17

thing happened on the way to the moon. Go to

36:19

sabral.com. It's on the homepage. That's

36:24

his YouTube channel. Yeah, that's not my

36:27

film. That's another... How is this

36:29

not the video? No, go to sabral.com. He's got

36:31

links up there. Let

36:34

me add one thing about the radiation. So after

36:37

Kelly Smith put his foot in his mouth, I

36:40

called up NASA. I said, I'm a journalist.

36:42

Can I talk to the guy? No, we

36:44

don't allow him to talk to reporters anymore.

36:47

I said, well, you sent up two Geiger

36:49

counters on a civilian mission with

36:52

tax dollars to specifically

36:54

measure the radiation and the radiation belt,

36:56

which they should have had 50

36:59

years ago anyway. Right. And then

37:01

I said, can I please have those radiation readings? And

37:03

then they said this, Joe. They said

37:05

it's a classified military secret. I said, oh,

37:07

wait a minute. When

37:10

you set probes to the sun to measure

37:12

the temperature of the sun, the temperature of

37:14

the sun isn't a military secret. When you

37:16

set probes to Jupiter to find out how

37:19

much helium is in Jupiter's atmosphere, the amount

37:21

of helium is in a

37:23

military secret. So why would the amount

37:25

of radiation surrounding the Earth and the

37:27

radiation belt that most people don't know

37:29

about, why would that amount of radiation

37:31

be a secret? Because if they

37:34

reveal it, it would prove that they couldn't go through

37:36

it to the moon. Or we

37:39

spent a lot of money to get that

37:41

data. And that data is very important

37:43

if there's manned warfare

37:47

in space. Like we have a space

37:50

force now. There's an anticipation that we

37:52

could live in a future where there's

37:54

space wars. This

37:56

is a real thought. The space program is real.

38:00

Space Force is a real organization.

38:03

Is it? Yeah, it really is. I have a

38:05

t-shirt, Tim Dillon gave it to me. Oh, that must prove

38:07

that it's real, a t-shirt. It's real, to have a t-shirt,

38:09

an actual t-shirt. Okay, please, you can mention it. But no,

38:11

there is the Space Force. I think it was Trump's idea,

38:13

right? Yeah, Trump started a Space Force, which is awesome. Anyway,

38:17

that's data you wouldn't want Russia to have. So if

38:20

the Van Allen Radiation Belt, if there's a way to

38:22

get through them, because you know exactly how much radiation

38:24

it is, and you know that you need this amount

38:26

of shielding, you don't want Russia to know

38:28

that. Spend your

38:30

own money, bitch. You can't have our fucking data.

38:33

That's what I would say. I would say that's

38:35

an American secret. That's national security. In

38:39

that regard, right? Because if we're gonna be doing

38:41

space wars, they're gonna be flying around through, but

38:43

they don't know how to get through the radiation

38:45

belts, but we do, then they're gonna

38:48

rely on espionage. They're gonna rely on providing

38:50

people. They sent probes to the moon, so

38:52

they would probably have Geiger cameras on there.

38:54

Right, but as time goes on, they would

38:56

know the radiation readings on the web. They

38:58

sent probes to the moon a long time

39:00

ago. As time goes on, the instrumentation is

39:02

far more efficient. It's much better, more accurate.

39:05

So the stuff that they get, the data

39:07

they get now, we would both agree, right?

39:09

It would be way better data than you got in 1963. That's

39:12

the argument people are making about now,

39:14

is that the instrumentation now is more

39:16

susceptible than it was then because of

39:18

transistors are smaller. Yeah, makes sense. More

39:20

susceptible molecules are actually getting in there.

39:22

Yeah, it's more complex. You

39:24

can start the clip if you want. Whatever, exactly.

39:26

That does make sense about the radiation belts when

39:28

they were talking about instrumentation. Start at 34. My

39:31

point is, don't we recognize that

39:35

the amount of instrumentation that would be dangerous

39:38

to radiation would also be dangerous to

39:40

biological human beings? Well, of

39:42

course, that's why there's mannequins orbiting the moon instead

39:44

of people. That's why you have to wear a

39:46

lead shield when you get an X-ray, and that's

39:48

why, if you've ever seen those horrific images of

39:50

people that used to test X-ray machines back in

39:52

the day, when they would first start

39:55

using X-ray machines in the doctor's offices, the

39:57

technician would put his hand under it, an

39:59

X-ray. and they didn't know that you were fucking

40:01

your hand up really bad. They had

40:04

horrible cancer all over their hands. And that's

40:06

from 1, 24th of a second, not something

40:09

that's 100 times more lethal going on

40:11

continuously for 90 minutes. So the point

40:13

is, regardless of whether or

40:15

not it is dangerous to the instrumentation, that

40:17

was their primary concern, which could be accurate,

40:19

especially since the first one was unmanned, it's

40:23

also that kind of radiation is probably

40:25

bad for people. Unless

40:28

you're the Fantastic Four, right? You

40:30

go through it and you get superpowers, right? Is that what

40:32

happened to them? Well yeah, I mean,

40:35

let's get back to the technology issue. When

40:38

they first exploded the first atomic bomb, 1945, just

40:40

10 years later, atomic bombs were

40:45

1,000 times more powerful. So

40:48

if they could go to the moon on the

40:50

first attempt with 1 millionth the

40:53

computing power cell phone, we would have

40:55

been on Mars 10 years later, we'd

40:57

be in another solar system by now,

40:59

and there would be bases all over

41:01

the moon. It's the only interesting, one

41:03

of the facts, that there's

41:05

no other technology from 1969 that's

41:09

not easier, cheaper, and faster to

41:11

reproduce today. Except

41:13

going to the moon. Except power. Because

41:15

it was a bluff like in poker.

41:17

Okay, so let's play the video where

41:20

you get to hear the audio. So

41:22

the audio is really strange. So this

41:24

audio is, this is Buzz Aldrin, Neil

41:26

Armstrong, and Michael Collins in

41:29

the spacecraft, and they are supposedly 130,000

41:31

miles away, and they're talking to NASA.

41:36

Yeah, let me describe it a little bit

41:38

before you hit play. So basically, if they

41:40

are, which they are not, halfway to the

41:42

moon, they estimated with radio

41:44

delay and going through the analog

41:46

computers, it would be two seconds

41:49

out for them to hear

41:51

the transmission and two seconds back. So

41:54

this particular reel we uncovered, the unedited reel

41:56

of this special effect shot of them faking

41:58

being halfway to the moon. the moon, there's

42:01

a third track of audio, who I believe

42:03

is the CIA. So first

42:05

you'll hear, why do you believe it's the CIA? What's

42:08

whoever's helping them fake the moon mission. And you

42:10

think it was the CIA? I would

42:12

presume it would be. And so,

42:14

just in precision. NASA says the TV

42:16

picture looks great. The person

42:18

who he has an earpiece in counts off

42:20

four seconds, thousand and one, two, three,

42:23

four. Then we hear a

42:25

third track of audio, not NASA, not the

42:27

astronauts, which has this kind of walkie talkie,

42:30

you know, radio type of sound. He says, talk.

42:34

And then Neil Armstrong speaks. They're creating a

42:36

fake four second radio delay to make it

42:38

appear they're beyond Earth orbit, which they are

42:40

really not. Okay, let's play it. And

42:44

Alan radiation based. Understand

42:47

too, that only about 20 seconds

42:49

of this raw footage was ever broadcast

42:51

to the public. And these

42:53

conversations discussing their deception were believed

42:56

to be private. And

42:58

now here they

43:01

discuss that these television transmissions were

43:03

in fact not broadcast live as

43:05

everyone believed. They were

43:07

so screened and edited for

43:09

playback later. All

43:11

right, you know, we just wanted a weekend when

43:13

we get to playback. We can sort of correlate

43:15

what we're saying. Thank you very much. Here

43:19

they discuss the fact that they have turned

43:21

out the light and have blocked out some

43:23

lights and entering the space park through the

43:25

other windows as to not cause any reflected

43:27

light. So that's really the window

43:30

of the spacecraft. Right. Let

43:32

it talk. Well, we shut out the

43:34

sun coming in. So it's looking through a number

43:36

one window under any reflected light. The

43:44

reason this was done is so that the truth

43:47

of the matter would not be revealed. It

43:49

is this, though the federal

43:52

government would have you believe that this is a

43:54

view of Earth from a distance out of the

43:56

spacecraft's window as it nears the moon. It

43:59

is not. What they have

44:01

ingeniously then is placed the camera

44:03

at the back of the spacecraft and

44:05

centered the lens on a circular window in

44:08

the foreground, outside of which

44:10

it is completely filled with the Earth

44:12

in low orbit. The

44:14

circumference of the window then appears to

44:16

be the diameter of the Earth at

44:18

a distance, with the darkened

44:20

walls of the spacecraft appearing to be

44:22

the blackness of space around it. That

44:24

is why they wanted the interior dark

44:26

and blocked out the sun from entering

44:28

through the other windows. Here

44:32

you can see the excluded window,

44:34

probably two inches thick at the bottom. This

44:37

is because the Earth's shine is coming in

44:39

at a downward angle. It also

44:42

causes the Earth to appear to be an

44:44

irregularly shaped circle, for you are seeing the

44:46

outside of the window at the bottom and

44:48

the inside of the window at the top,

44:51

which together form two different sized halves

44:53

of a circle. Subsequently,

44:56

this take was never used. As

44:59

they perfected the shot, a crescent

45:01

shaped piece of black material was

45:03

inset slightly into the window to

45:05

create the illusion of the Earth's

45:07

terminator line dividing night and day.

45:11

It is uncannily convincing. During

45:15

this segment, intended to be edited and

45:17

played back later for the worldwide television

45:19

audience, dated July 18th,

45:21

1969, Neil

45:24

Armstrong condemns himself as he states that

45:26

he is 130,000 miles

45:29

out or halfway to the moon,

45:32

as the NASA flight log also states on

45:34

this date, when he

45:36

is in reality in low Earth orbit

45:38

of a few hundred miles. Hi,

45:41

Roger, Houston, Apollo 11. Calling

45:45

in from about 137 miles out. Here,

45:48

during another segment, also intended

45:50

to air after review, Neil

45:53

Armstrong falsely explains to the viewers how

45:55

the shot is attained by putting the

45:58

camera's lens to the window's glass. as

46:01

it would have to be if they were the claimed

46:03

distance away from the Earth. We

46:05

only have one window that has

46:08

a view of the Earth and it's filled up

46:10

with a TV camera. If

46:12

the window was completely filled up with

46:14

a TV camera, as he stated, then an

46:17

astronaut's arm would not be able to get

46:19

between the camera and the window, as

46:21

it obviously does here in this outtake. South

46:25

America becomes invisible just both beyond

46:28

the Terminator or inside the shadows.

46:32

You can also notice how the

46:34

astronaut operating the camera reacted to

46:36

the mistake by attempting to pan away

46:39

from it. White

46:42

bands of major cloud formations

46:44

across the Earth. This

46:49

is a segment that they believed wasn't

46:51

even being recorded. Keep

46:53

going. Much less suitable for broadcast,

46:56

for the lens was being zoomed out and

46:58

the scene was being changed to that of

47:00

an interior of the astronauts at work and

47:03

apparently the stop button popped back

47:05

up on the recorder without notice.

47:09

Here is the diffused work light that they

47:11

used to see camera controls but

47:13

not throw light onto the spacecraft's wall.

47:17

Here they remove part of the crescent

47:19

insert. Finally,

47:29

the iris is opened up and you can

47:31

see the real location of the camera and

47:34

the very bright and near Earth

47:36

out the window. Here

47:40

is the slate for the 19th of July. Okay.

47:44

Yeah, so here's what I would say if I

47:46

was trying to count on what you're saying. The

47:50

Earth at 130,000 miles out is halfway to the moon. The

47:55

moon is one quarter the size of

47:57

Earth. The moon, on a full moon, is about a quarter

47:59

of the size of Earth. is fairly bright. I mean

48:01

you could walk it's

48:04

pretty amazing how bright it is when it's a full

48:06

moon. Imagine that

48:08

four times greater and twice

48:10

as close. So

48:13

the earth which has blue reflective

48:15

light because of the oceans and

48:17

it's glorious, it glows in the

48:19

sky. You would imagine that

48:22

if you were filming earth from 130,000 miles out you

48:24

would have to black

48:27

in the insides of the walls and

48:29

you would you probably couldn't get the

48:32

camera any closer to that window in

48:34

reality even by saying it's

48:36

in front of the window, it's covering

48:38

the window. You're talking, I mean

48:40

it probably doesn't even fit any closer than that

48:42

with all the instrumentation. If you

48:45

were filming it specifically to try to get an

48:47

image of the earth and what it looked like

48:49

at 130,000 miles out would it

48:52

even look that small? I don't think

48:54

it would. It would probably look a lot larger.

48:56

So if they're shooting it through this window and

48:58

the light is probably pretty intense it might

49:01

be the only way to film the earth

49:03

for the kind of cameras they had back

49:05

then would be to do it that way.

49:07

To block out everything in the room and

49:09

to film through that circular window as close

49:11

as they can get that camera to and

49:13

it's just shitty footage of something that they

49:15

eventually figured out how to do right so

49:17

that it wasn't deception. Well

49:19

the camera's at the back of the spacecraft and

49:22

that's the circular window and it's filled with the

49:24

earth. If they were halfway to the moon and

49:26

the earth was at the window the earth would

49:28

be a tiny dot. It wouldn't be that small.

49:30

But stop, it wouldn't be that small because the

49:33

moon's not that small. You got to think about

49:35

how big the moon is okay and the moon

49:37

is one quarter the size of earth. Think about

49:39

how close the moon is. So the

49:41

moon is a big-ass fucking thing right?

49:43

So let me ask you this, John. Do

49:46

you think the moon landings are real or not?

49:48

I'm not saying that. I just want to know

49:50

what you think.

49:52

I'm gonna go at this and

49:54

I'm just gonna try to ask

49:56

the most logical questions to refute

49:58

what you're saying. without giving an opinion.

50:01

I'll give you an opinion eventually. But

50:03

this right now is if

50:05

you were going to film the earth from 130,000 miles out and

50:07

the earth

50:11

is four times larger than the moon

50:13

and you're halfway to the moon, I

50:15

would imagine it would fill up that

50:17

window. You wouldn't, you even, the

50:21

difference between that and low earth orbit, I'm sure

50:23

there's a difference but I still

50:25

think from that small window it might be

50:27

the whole window filled with earth. That

50:30

might be what you get. Well that's not

50:32

the opinion of myself as a filmmaker and

50:34

three other filmmakers who for a living our

50:36

job is to make fake scenes look real.

50:39

And so we all conclude that that's

50:42

the window that they have made a

50:44

mock-up of a one-foot model to pretend.

50:46

But is there an image of that

50:48

mock-up? I never saw a mock-up, I

50:50

didn't, there's all you saw them fiddle

50:52

around in the window.

50:55

You definitely didn't fiddle around in the window.

50:57

But in the camera they lied about the

50:59

camera being up against the glass. The camera

51:01

is obviously at the back of the spacecraft

51:03

to create that illusion. They said the window

51:05

is filled with the camera, that's what they

51:07

said. But it's not, it's at the very

51:09

back of the spacecraft. The lights come up

51:11

on the part they didn't intend on showing

51:14

and the camera has been at the back

51:16

of the spacecraft all the time. Right. They

51:18

had to lie. If they really were halfway

51:20

to the moon, the only way they could

51:23

film this shot would be to put the

51:25

lens at the glass of the window. But

51:27

it's a fake shot and part of the

51:29

faking is the camera is really at the

51:31

back of the spacecraft, all the lights

51:33

are off, part of the Earth is

51:35

outside of a circular window and it

51:37

looks cleverly like the Earth floating in

51:39

space. But that's really the window from

51:41

Earth orbit. Jamie, go

51:44

ahead. In the video it says that this

51:46

line here, which is like the Terminator line

51:48

correct? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's a tape? No,

51:51

like a transparency or something? That's like, I don't

51:53

know, some sort of crescent insert they put into

51:55

the window to make it look like the Terminator

51:57

line between an eye and day. I think it's

51:59

It looks very good. The video said tape

52:01

multiple times and then said they

52:04

removed the tape. Could have

52:06

been a transparency I suppose, but that line is

52:09

very, that's a very nice gradient

52:11

which is what it would look like if it

52:13

was like the sunset not

52:16

tape or... Well, it's

52:18

less clear, right? It's less clear than like the

52:20

top edge. And if it was a transparency sitting

52:22

on a glass or something, that line would be

52:24

moving. It would have to be hard set to

52:27

circle. So just go back to the segment with

52:29

the little yellow circle around the window and you

52:31

can see they're fiddling around with the window breaking

52:33

down the model. Jamie, they only showed 20 seconds.

52:35

No, no, I know. I was

52:37

going to say if that's what I thought it

52:39

was, why not just recreate the fake scene I

52:41

guess with a giant picture of the Earth outside

52:44

of a window? Well, I think the point is

52:46

that they had to represent the terminator line because

52:48

of where they were in orbit. So if

52:50

they're flying away from Earth and they're going

52:52

towards the moon at a very specific time,

52:54

you'd be able to know like

52:56

where, you know, what part of the Earth was

52:58

dark at what point in the flight,

53:01

right? I would think

53:03

so. I mean, they had to have known. They

53:06

knew the calculation. But the public would do it. Yeah,

53:08

but I mean, they would do it the right way

53:10

if they were going to fake it. Not necessarily. They

53:12

made lots of mistakes. Yeah. Okay. So

53:15

yeah, man. Well, this one's a weird one. And

53:17

to me, this is like the only thing that I could say

53:20

if I was going to steel man it would be what I

53:22

said was that maybe he misspoke

53:24

by saying it's covering the window.

53:27

Maybe what he meant was that the camera was

53:29

pointed at the window. It was covering the window.

53:32

And if you're going to film something that's incredibly

53:35

bright, that's coming into a bright environment, it's going

53:37

to be obscured by all the light. You know

53:39

that, right? So the way to film

53:41

it correctly would be to adjust the aperture correctly,

53:44

darken the room and then point towards that

53:46

window. And you would be saying that the

53:48

camera is covering the window because it is

53:50

covering the window. That's what it's

53:52

covering. When you're filming something, you're covering something. So

53:54

it's covering the window. It's looking out the window.

53:56

You blacked out the cabin so that you could

53:58

actually see what bright coming out

54:00

of that window, which is incredibly bright because it's

54:03

four times bigger than the moon and twice as

54:05

close because they're halfway there. Well

54:07

the shot where Neil Armstrong lies and says he's 130,000

54:09

miles out, we see a little

54:13

blue earth with a bunch of black

54:15

space around it. But that's not

54:18

the earth floating in space, that's the

54:20

circular window of the spacecraft that

54:23

has part of the earth outside of it. That's

54:25

what it is. The lights come up and you

54:27

see that's what it is. For sure if

54:30

you're saying that blackness is space that's

54:32

deceptive. But that's what they are

54:34

saying. But it doesn't mean they

54:36

were in 130,000 miles out. Well why

54:38

would they fake being 130,000 miles out if they were really? Because

54:42

they had a policy of deception in terms of imagery,

54:47

which it seems that they did. Even

54:50

though they did that, I'm just steelmanning it.

54:52

It doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing

54:54

was fake, right? Well

54:56

if I were to... I was trying to understand. So it's

54:58

not that they're 130,000 miles

55:00

up but it's that they're in space faking the shot?

55:03

Yes, they're faking being halfway

55:05

to the moon from Earth or right. The reason

55:07

why it's so bright is because they're just like

55:09

the space station. That doesn't, I don't know, I'm

55:12

getting more confused on all of these pieces because I

55:14

thought that they didn't even go to space. No,

55:17

no, no, no, no, nobody thinks that. Nobody thinks that. They

55:19

did go to space. Jamie you need to catch the fuck

55:21

up on Reddit. Well look

55:23

at this part here. She's playing

55:25

this part, Jamie. And

55:27

you'll see that this is the window.

55:29

Here's the work light inside of the

55:31

spacecraft. Either that or it's a giant

55:33

UFO. No, it's obviously a work light.

55:37

Okay and then here is Michael

55:39

Collins breaking down part of the

55:41

special effect shot using the window.

55:43

You're gonna see them. Okay, well let's

55:45

be honest

55:48

about what we're seeing. What we're seeing is motion

55:50

in front of the window. That's right. So that's

55:53

the window of the spacecraft. That's true.

55:55

Not the Earth floating in space like

55:57

they claimed a minute earlier. That's true.

56:00

They're faking right right right a minute stop

56:02

you saying like make the transparency all these

56:04

different things you're saying There's no evidence of

56:06

that you just see movement in front of

56:09

it I understand your assumption, but there's

56:11

no evidence of a transparency. Well. It's

56:13

not an assumption It's that's a moving

56:15

you see just dark shadows. Let's see

56:17

it one more time You

56:19

see dark shadows moving well the point

56:21

is that's the window of the space

56:23

100% I'm agreeing with you.

56:25

It's not a disaster there if that's the

56:28

window of the spacecraft And that's not the

56:30

earth floating in space correct a claim Which

56:32

means they're faking being halfway to the moon

56:34

not necessarily They would never know if they

56:36

really went halfway to necessarily it could mean

56:38

that they went halfway to the moon But

56:40

they faked it anyway faking this Footage because

56:42

this is the best footage they can get with

56:45

equipment they have looking through that window and they

56:47

came to a conclusion The

56:49

best way to do it is to back

56:51

the camera up block everything out and just

56:53

film that circular window And that's the earth

56:55

and that's the only thing and we'll pretend

56:57

that it's the earth with space But we

56:59

really can't get that because of the positioning

57:01

of the camera the amount of room if

57:03

you look at the thing goes Bright this

57:05

is my question to you. I

57:08

think this is compelling and it's bizarre

57:11

But when you say they remove

57:13

the transparency well, there's no transparency.

57:15

You don't see it You're literally

57:17

just seeing black figures in motion

57:19

now in clarity now you see

57:21

clarity So now you see the

57:23

amount of distance very small

57:25

space They're working in amount of distance where the

57:28

the circular window is where the earth is and

57:30

then where the camera is So the camera is

57:32

still just a few feet from the window. It's

57:35

not like it's in a giant room

57:37

It's just a few three-foot-in-a-way. They're three-foot-in-a-ground are

57:39

coupled together, so it's quite deep right, but

57:42

it's still not that big where they are

57:44

But where they are right ten feet away

57:46

from the wind that's pretty small. Yeah, this

57:48

whole room is pretty small, right? It's basically

57:50

smaller than here to the where our screen

57:52

is that we're looking at but the point

57:54

is it's not the earth floating in space

57:56

It's the wind is definitely not made up

57:58

look like they Earth floating

58:00

in space. The blacked out environment if

58:02

they're trying to pretend that that space

58:04

that's deception. Exactly. So wait a minute.

58:06

One thing at a time. So we

58:08

concluded. Yes they are faking being halfway

58:10

to the moon. No no no that's

58:12

not what we concluded. We concluded that

58:14

they are faking that the blackness around

58:16

that image of the Earth is space.

58:19

That's all we're confirming. That's why I'm confused.

58:22

But hold on Jamie. Hold on Jamie. So

58:24

we're confirming that they

58:26

definitely were if they were saying

58:28

that that blackness which is clearly

58:30

the inside of the cockpit. Right

58:32

clearly. What they're saying that that

58:34

blackness is space and that circular image is the

58:36

Earth looking at the Earth through space. That's

58:39

clearly deception. Okay. Apollo 11 is being

58:41

deceptive with their photography. Why would they

58:43

do that if they really went to

58:45

the moon? Okay the steel man. I

58:47

know this is annoying to people. Steel

58:49

man means devil's advocate. Is that what

58:51

you're saying? Yeah yeah yeah. I'm taking the

58:53

other sides position. Why? Because it's interesting to

58:55

see how how it lines up. You

58:58

would say this they wanted good

59:00

footage. They couldn't get good footage any

59:02

other way. They couldn't get through where

59:04

the camera is and how big the

59:06

camera is and how small the window

59:08

is the amount of space they're working

59:10

with. They couldn't get real clear footage

59:12

of the Earth in space in the

59:14

distance. So they decided to film it

59:16

this way. Film it through that circular

59:18

window will black out everything. It'll look like

59:21

space but you will see the Earth from where we

59:23

are which is 130,000 miles. You know there's

59:25

a film coming out in July and

59:27

I don't know I've only seen the trailer

59:30

but they talk about shooting

59:32

a fake moon landing as a

59:34

backup. Now they

59:37

don't care why you believe the moon landings

59:39

are real as long as you do. If

59:41

you believe they're communing with aliens with a

59:43

secret crew or Neil Armstrong does it. They

59:45

don't care. This the same thing if

59:48

they really went to the moon they wouldn't

59:50

have to fake any of it because they

59:52

showed so little of the mission anyway. Right.

59:54

They really went to the moon.

59:56

They wouldn't dare fake. They wouldn't dare. fake

1:00:00

any of it because there were people at

1:00:02

the time already saying it was fake. They

1:00:04

wouldn't dare fake any of it if it

1:00:07

was real. Even during the landing, they showed

1:00:09

computer animation and then all of a sudden

1:00:11

you see that black and white image of

1:00:13

it. They wouldn't dare fake it if it

1:00:15

was real. See this is where we disagree

1:00:18

because I think if it's very difficult to

1:00:20

go there, it's even more difficult to go

1:00:22

there and document it, right? And

1:00:24

specifically when you're talking about camera

1:00:26

equipment. If you take camera equipment,

1:00:28

the old-school film and you

1:00:30

run it through old-school radar detectors at the airport,

1:00:33

those metal detectors, it fucks up your camera equipment,

1:00:35

right? Doesn't it fuck up your film? Well,

1:00:37

isn't that correct? It wasn't difficult for

1:00:40

them to go to the moon. They

1:00:42

went six times in three years. They

1:00:44

drove cars on the moon, played golf

1:00:46

on the moon. And yet

1:00:48

for some reason today, they can only send mannequins to

1:00:51

orbit the moon. Listen, we're in agreement on this.

1:00:53

This is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is

1:00:55

what you could say is that

1:00:57

the real pro- maybe they went and they faked

1:00:59

the footage. And the reason they faked the footage

1:01:02

because the footage got all fucked up because they

1:01:04

went through radiation. I'm sure they would love the

1:01:06

public to believe that because many filmmakers

1:01:08

like myself agree that the footage

1:01:10

is fake. So how can we

1:01:12

possibly trick the public into thinking

1:01:14

the moon landings are real even

1:01:17

though the pictures are fake? Why don't we

1:01:19

create a feature film saying, well, we just

1:01:21

only did it as backup and some of

1:01:23

that footage got leaked into the real footage.

1:01:26

They showed so little

1:01:28

real footage to begin with. Why didn't

1:01:30

they just have a camera on the

1:01:32

side of the rocket showing live pictures

1:01:34

during the descent instead of a little

1:01:36

Atari computer animation and then suddenly a

1:01:38

picture of them stable and coming out of

1:01:41

the spacecraft? Because they

1:01:43

faked it. As you know from my

1:01:45

book, we have an eyewitness who saw

1:01:47

them film Apollo 11 at

1:01:49

Cannon Air Force Base, June 1st, 2nd,

1:01:51

and 3rd, 1968. Yeah,

1:01:54

but I have eyewitnesses that were raped by

1:01:56

Bigfoot. You can find those. Well-

1:02:00

Like if it wasn't here, his son, if the guy wasn't

1:02:02

here, his son cooperates

1:02:05

it. We have a video that we can show.

1:02:08

The point is, and it's not even in

1:02:10

my book, okay, the first thing

1:02:12

the guy says as he's dying about to

1:02:14

meet his maker, fearing

1:02:16

not being on the right side of judgment,

1:02:19

is that he's a murderer. He

1:02:21

killed somebody. His

1:02:23

son, who you can go to

1:02:25

sabrel.com, watch his son's testimony, who

1:02:27

saw his father's deathbed confession. He

1:02:30

said, who did you kill? He said, I

1:02:33

killed a co-worker at Cannon Air Force Base

1:02:35

where he was the Chief of Security. The

1:02:37

military police came in and

1:02:39

they interrogated him as he's dying, wanted

1:02:42

to notify the relatives of the person who

1:02:45

we killed. Who did you kill? Such-and-such a

1:02:47

person. A fellow employee at Cannon Air Force

1:02:49

Base in 1968. Why did you

1:02:52

kill him? We

1:02:54

both eyewitnessed the filming of the

1:02:57

fake moon landing, June 1st, 2nd,

1:02:59

and 3rd of 1968. My friend thought it was morally wrong.

1:03:04

He was going to tell a reporter, and

1:03:07

I killed him to cover it up. His

1:03:09

son confirmed he was Chief of Security at

1:03:11

Cannon Air Force Base. He lived right across

1:03:14

the street from it. He stood

1:03:16

beside President Johnson, who was there for

1:03:18

the first of three days of filming.

1:03:20

He gave him a list of 15

1:03:22

people that were

1:03:24

there who were allowed in the VIP entrance

1:03:27

to eyewitness it. Neil Armstrong's on the list,

1:03:29

Basauldron is on the list, and several people

1:03:31

I never heard of. We got

1:03:33

that list. We published it in my book. And

1:03:37

this is real. His son, after telling

1:03:39

me this information and confirming it, his

1:03:42

house was broken into a few days later.

1:03:45

Everything about his father was confiscated.

1:03:48

Days after that, two

1:03:50

agents show up from the government. This

1:03:53

is less than two years ago, threatened to kill

1:03:55

him and his family if he

1:03:57

ever talks to me again about his father's

1:03:59

participation. and the moon landing

1:04:01

fraud. The White House was involved

1:04:04

in investigating this. The FBI was,

1:04:06

and the United States Senate Intelligence

1:04:08

Committee investigated this, and that man,

1:04:12

and those reports are sealed because

1:04:14

it's a great embarrassment to the

1:04:16

federal government that they did actually

1:04:18

fake the moon landing. I

1:04:20

was the biggest fan. If I

1:04:22

can go from being the biggest fan to

1:04:24

having to accept the sad fact that

1:04:27

our government is that arrogant. Not

1:04:30

only that, I interviewed

1:04:32

the widow of Gus

1:04:34

Grissom, who was going

1:04:36

to be the first man to walk

1:04:38

on the moon. We should explain one

1:04:41

of the things that Gus Grissom did

1:04:43

that got people very angry. He hung

1:04:45

a lemon. That's right. Explain that. Basically,

1:04:47

he was totally confused how

1:04:49

they could possibly think they're going to the moon

1:04:51

in two years. He thought it was at least

1:04:53

10 years away, and

1:04:56

still we can't even go now, right, because

1:04:58

of the radiation. He

1:05:00

was preparing reports to give to Congress

1:05:02

and the Senate that his wife told

1:05:04

me were confiscated from his

1:05:06

house by CIA agents before

1:05:09

they even informed her that he was dead,

1:05:11

which he had died a few minutes earlier.

1:05:14

She told me I interviewed her for four

1:05:16

hours. This is the man who was going

1:05:18

to be the first man to walk on

1:05:20

the moon. He was the most beloved of

1:05:22

the press corps. He was

1:05:25

so frustrated. He kept

1:05:27

complaining up the chain of command they

1:05:29

wouldn't fix anything, because the higher-ups knew

1:05:31

they weren't going to go and hadn't

1:05:33

committed yet to faking it, and therefore

1:05:35

hadn't told the astronauts yet. That's why

1:05:37

they weren't fixing anything. That's your belief.

1:05:40

That's her conclusion as

1:05:42

well. In his fury, without

1:05:46

permission, he held a press conference. He

1:05:48

invited a bunch of reporters to the

1:05:50

top of the rocket where he has

1:05:52

fixed a lemon the size of a

1:05:54

grapefruit on a coat hanger. He

1:05:56

said this thing is a lemon, a piece of

1:05:58

junk made the evening news. And

1:06:00

a few days later, he dies. His wife told me

1:06:03

that on January 26, 1967,

1:06:06

he came home from work and said the following. Hun,

1:06:09

for some strange reason, the CIA is

1:06:12

all over the launch pad today. I

1:06:15

wonder why they're here inspecting the equipment.

1:06:17

Never seen him here before. He's

1:06:19

dead the very next day from

1:06:22

faulty equipment. His widow told me

1:06:24

he was murdered by the CIA. The

1:06:27

man who was going to be the first man to

1:06:29

walk on his moon, his son,

1:06:32

747 pilot, said

1:06:34

the same thing who I interviewed for three

1:06:36

hours. That his father was murdered by the

1:06:38

CIA. So it's one thing if

1:06:40

they faked the moon landing and didn't kill

1:06:42

anybody. Maybe I'll confess my

1:06:45

devious nature. I kind of admire

1:06:47

their ingenuity. You know, like the people

1:06:49

who tunnel from the drag cleaner into

1:06:52

the bank. But not if you kill

1:06:54

three guards, slit their throats, who

1:06:56

have wives and children. And the

1:06:58

first- What three guards? Well, I'm just saying,

1:07:00

for example, you know, if they

1:07:03

faked the moon landing and didn't kill

1:07:05

anybody, that's one thing. But that's not the

1:07:07

case, you see. And I know the

1:07:09

type of person you are and the type of guest

1:07:11

you have on your show. We

1:07:13

are true patriots. And patriots have to

1:07:15

face facts that when people take an

1:07:18

oath to this country, it's

1:07:21

to protect it against all enemies, foreign

1:07:23

and domestic. They always

1:07:26

want misdirection, the boogeyman to be

1:07:28

in some other country, where the

1:07:30

biggest traitors to our country are

1:07:33

Americans and high office, right? That's

1:07:35

what's going on. And the first

1:07:38

document of our country isn't the

1:07:40

Constitution. It's the Declaration

1:07:42

of Independence, where it says, when

1:07:45

any government becomes destructive of

1:07:47

life, liberty and the pursuit of

1:07:49

happiness, it is the right of

1:07:51

the people to alter or abolish it. Where

1:07:53

according to Betty Grissom, they took away

1:07:55

his life. They take a third

1:07:58

of our income. They discourage

1:08:00

it. receive us to a moon landing and

1:08:02

then they use that money to pay

1:08:04

the salaries of the CIA agents who

1:08:06

killed Gus Grissom. Okay, let's go

1:08:08

to Gus Grissom's death. So Gus Grissom died

1:08:11

in an accident, right? He died in a

1:08:13

fire, correct? His wife says that fire was

1:08:15

sent intentionally. I understand that she said that.

1:08:17

I believe her. I understand and I understand

1:08:20

that why she would believe that. That makes

1:08:22

sense. Well, if her husband says CIA agents

1:08:24

are messing around with the equipment the day

1:08:27

before and he's dead the next day from

1:08:29

faulty equipment the CIA killed him. It's a

1:08:31

pretty obvious conclusion. That's it could possibly

1:08:33

be that definitely. But also when

1:08:36

you're launching rockets a lot of

1:08:38

people die. They weren't launching anything.

1:08:40

It was just a grand trust

1:08:42

of pressing buttons and they

1:08:44

found that they

1:08:46

pressurized that space capsule with

1:08:49

100% oxygen where steel will become flammable.

1:08:53

They reversed the door the day

1:08:55

before so that it opened inwardly instead of

1:08:57

outwardly took an extra five or ten minutes

1:09:00

to open up and then they found a

1:09:02

pile of oily rags under his seat so

1:09:05

that they would do a spark and then I

1:09:07

got the Apollo 1 report. We bought it for

1:09:11

$10,000 for Roger Chaffee's widow

1:09:13

from his estate and there was

1:09:15

a dip in power right before the

1:09:18

fire because the CIA had clamped something clamped

1:09:20

in there to start the fire. They ignited

1:09:22

it. It caused a dip in power and

1:09:24

then the fire began. So

1:09:27

where is this evidence that there was a dip

1:09:29

in power? Well, it's in the Apollo 1 report.

1:09:31

That there was a dip in power. Right before

1:09:33

the fire because something was tapped into there that

1:09:36

the CIA rigged the previous day and that's what

1:09:38

killed them. Is there a logical explanation for why

1:09:40

they reversed the doors? Yeah, so

1:09:42

they would make sure not be able to get

1:09:44

out. It would take more time to get out.

1:09:46

But is that but they would kill them. But

1:09:49

is there a logical explanation in terms of an

1:09:51

improvement in design and say they were just testing

1:09:53

something new? Right. That's their

1:09:55

excuse. Right

1:09:57

and the

1:10:00

fire, what was the official explanation

1:10:02

for how the fire was started? Just

1:10:04

faulty wiring. And

1:10:07

what was the evidence that the oxygen had

1:10:09

been increased the environment? Well that's a fact.

1:10:11

They knew not to do that. They

1:10:13

had caused fatalities before. Where did you hear

1:10:16

this fact? Well she told me and

1:10:18

it's in the Apollo 1 report which I read.

1:10:20

So in the Apollo 1 report it says they

1:10:22

increased the oxygen by how much? Well they did

1:10:24

a hundred percent oxygen in the cabin. And did

1:10:26

they say why? They

1:10:28

was just testing it. Something to

1:10:31

test and experiment. Right. And

1:10:34

so that identified ignites. That's right.

1:10:37

They rigged it with the orally rags under

1:10:39

there with reversing. They did everything they could

1:10:41

to make sure those guys burned alive. To

1:10:43

get rid of the guy because Gus Grissom

1:10:46

had they asked him to

1:10:48

fake the moon landing. He would have said no way and

1:10:50

then he would have gone to the reporters. The

1:10:52

same reason my source Cyrus Eugene

1:10:54

Akers killed his co-worker

1:10:57

because his co-worker witnessed Apollo

1:10:59

11 being filmed at Cannon Air Force

1:11:01

Base in 1968. Said this is wrong

1:11:04

for the government to do this and was gonna

1:11:06

tell a reporter and he was killed. The

1:11:09

very same reason. Yeah

1:11:12

I would love to see the video of that.

1:11:14

If there was a video of it it'd be

1:11:16

interesting. Yeah there's a video of his son talking

1:11:18

about this. Yeah. Yeah but queued up their gamut.

1:11:20

People get old and when they get old they

1:11:22

say crazy things. I don't think it's that crazy

1:11:24

to say we verified

1:11:26

he was the chief of security. Right but I don't know

1:11:28

what his mental state was when he was dying. I don't

1:11:30

know if he had dementia. I don't know. You know I'm

1:11:32

saying like people could but I'm not

1:11:34

saying that it didn't happen. Are you sure you

1:11:36

didn't work for O.J. Simpson's defense team? I'm not

1:11:38

saying it didn't happen. I'm saying that some old

1:11:40

people particularly first of all memories are terrible. Most

1:11:42

people's memories are awful. You just said that

1:11:45

earlier you forgot. That memories

1:11:47

are terrible. Yeah you just said it

1:11:49

a second ago. Yeah. Most people's memories

1:11:51

aren't that good. And then if you're

1:11:53

really old and you're mentally compromised and

1:11:55

maybe you have full-blown dementia and maybe

1:11:57

you imagine things. That's

1:12:00

also possible. I mean...

1:12:02

That's an odd thing to think. I

1:12:04

killed somebody to cover up the moon landing

1:12:07

fraud. I know. What are the odds of

1:12:09

that being dementia? Not very good, but also

1:12:11

possible. When people have dementia, they think they're

1:12:13

secret agents. They don't know what the fuck

1:12:15

is going on. They don't know their name.

1:12:17

They don't know their kids. When

1:12:19

people are dying, and they're dying, you

1:12:21

know, usually there's a lot of stuff going

1:12:23

on. It's not just your body feeling. Well,

1:12:25

you articulated a lot of details. Fascinating. Yeah.

1:12:28

And could be what we hope it is,

1:12:30

which is deathbed confession. Like, didn't E. Howard

1:12:32

Hunt have a deathbed confession about the JFK

1:12:34

assassination? Well, one of the videos, if you

1:12:36

have it queued up, Jamie, is his son

1:12:38

giving his deathbed confession, right? As

1:12:40

he's dying of cancer, of what he saw

1:12:42

his father say. He says, I lived right

1:12:45

across from Kenan Air Force Base. My father

1:12:47

was Chief of Security. He shows us a

1:12:49

picture of his badge and his uniform. He

1:12:52

was there. Yeah. And

1:12:55

what Bill Kaysing said, I had to

1:12:57

look up from my own library. Bill

1:13:00

Kaysing said the whole moon landing falsification

1:13:02

was supervised by the United

1:13:04

States Air Force. Well, my dad was in the Air

1:13:06

Force. I never heard of Kenan Air Force Base. It's

1:13:08

tiny, fewer eyewitnesses. And

1:13:11

then every department of the military

1:13:13

has their special ops intelligence division

1:13:15

headquarters. It's headquartered at

1:13:18

Kenan Air Force Base. And

1:13:20

so that's where it was filmed. And

1:13:22

I even confirmed that several people were

1:13:24

there, including a gentleman by the name

1:13:26

of Robert Emmenaker. Never heard of the

1:13:28

guy, a science

1:13:30

fiction writer, who promotes

1:13:33

UFOs, which is another

1:13:36

reason to doubt UFOs. Because

1:13:38

the same guy who says UFOs are

1:13:40

real spent his whole life saying the

1:13:42

moon landings are real. You see that?

1:13:45

Same thing with the astronauts. Stephen Greer is the

1:13:47

number one source that UFOs are real. I have

1:13:49

a book coming out about this as well at

1:13:51

my website. He says his number

1:13:53

one source that UFOs are real is

1:13:56

the Apollo astronauts said so. You

1:13:58

see that? one Edgar Mitchell

1:14:01

well yeah Edgar Mitchell among many others and let's let's

1:14:03

come back to that I gotta take a leak let's

1:14:05

come back to that and this is great I appreciate

1:14:07

you thank you for coming here it's been a lot

1:14:09

of fun and I hope you don't mind me being

1:14:11

annoying but I have to like to cover this and

1:14:13

we'll get into more you don't have to I do

1:14:16

I didn't know you don't this is the right way

1:14:18

to do it trust me okay we'll take a leak

1:14:20

we'll be right back so we

1:14:23

were at Gus Grisham died

1:14:25

in a fire there's another

1:14:28

guy who NASA had hired to

1:14:30

make a report and he had this 500

1:14:33

page report it I

1:14:35

think it was like 500 pages about

1:14:38

how bad how badly managed mismanaged

1:14:40

the whole Apollo program was

1:14:43

and that he saw so many flaws in that they thought it was

1:14:45

never gonna get off the ground and

1:14:47

then Thomas Barry yes Tom

1:14:49

Ronald Thomas Barron great and he

1:14:52

died on train tracks that's

1:14:54

right that was kind of

1:14:57

with his family CIA hits kind of

1:14:59

go through fads and

1:15:01

there was a big fad period where

1:15:03

a lot of people's cars stalled at

1:15:05

train crossings I think back then this

1:15:07

was before DNA evidence and it would

1:15:09

get rid of the forensic evidence that's

1:15:11

also how they killed those kids in

1:15:13

mean Arkansas that found the cocaine that

1:15:15

was the whole part of that Tom

1:15:17

Cruise movie the true story behind

1:15:19

the Tom Cruise movie with was that guy's

1:15:22

name again that Jamie

1:15:24

Barry Seals yeah who was smuggling

1:15:27

drugs and dropping them off into mean

1:15:29

Arkansas while Bill Clinton was the governor

1:15:32

and they killed these kids

1:15:34

and put them on plane train tracks here's

1:15:36

a relevant point about Bill Clinton two of

1:15:38

them on page one fifty four one fifty

1:15:41

six of his you know this he

1:15:43

says that he doubts as

1:15:45

president the authenticity of the moon landings well

1:15:48

he said in a very coy way right

1:15:50

that's what he's saying well he told an

1:15:52

anecdote about a carpenter that he was working with in 1969

1:15:54

who's saying how amazing it

1:15:56

is that these guys

1:15:58

these people they ended on the moon and

1:16:01

the carpenter said, now those TV fellows can get

1:16:03

you to believe anything. I don't

1:16:05

believe a thing they say and then he said back

1:16:07

then I thought the old guy was a crank. I'm

1:16:09

paraphrasing but now after eight years in the White House

1:16:12

I think he might have been ahead of his time.

1:16:14

I think that was not paraphrasing. I think that was

1:16:16

word for word, Joe. Yeah. Good memory. Well here's the

1:16:18

second point that's not relevant. It's not relevant word for

1:16:20

word I'm sure. Well here's the second point about about

1:16:23

President Clinton. When he finally, after denying

1:16:25

it 20 times, admitted that he had

1:16:27

an affair. A reporter

1:16:29

asked him why did you

1:16:32

do it? And you know what he said why? Because

1:16:34

I could. Meaning because

1:16:36

I could get away with it. That's what

1:16:38

people need to see. They did fake the

1:16:41

moon landing and why did they do it?

1:16:43

Because they could. And these people

1:16:45

are still in power. It's

1:16:47

a dangerous thing. Also because they wanted

1:16:49

to win this Cold War with Russia.

1:16:51

They wanted to get this economic

1:16:54

and cultural victory.

1:16:57

Right? Well that could be

1:17:00

their excuse. Okay so

1:17:02

here's another question. You murder Americans

1:17:04

to do that? Allegedly murder Americans.

1:17:07

Well we assume. Yeah.

1:17:09

Yeah but we don't really know. The Thomas

1:17:11

Ronald Barron one is a wild one because

1:17:14

that report was buried, correct? After

1:17:16

that? That's right. And in the report do

1:17:18

we have details of exactly what was said

1:17:20

in the report? Well basically he said what

1:17:22

Gus Grissom said. They were a decade or

1:17:24

more away from going to the moon. And

1:17:27

that was after the Apollo 1 fire. The Barron

1:17:29

report. And of course he died

1:17:32

right before he was to testify to

1:17:34

Congress. Right? What a coincidence. Yeah. About

1:17:36

how NASA was so far behind schedule.

1:17:38

But now you know NASA has never

1:17:40

kept a schedule a single time in

1:17:42

their entire history. Except the

1:17:44

most complicated mission of all time. They

1:17:47

were ahead of schedule. And do you

1:17:49

realize there's never been an aerospace machine,

1:17:51

airplane, whatever, that ever worked on the

1:17:54

first occasion? Not even the Wright brothers

1:17:56

plane and a 747 after millions of

1:17:58

dollars. millions of aircraft

1:18:00

had already been built, 10 years

1:18:02

more technologically advanced than the Apollo

1:18:04

rocket. It took

1:18:07

168 attempts to get

1:18:09

off the ground. And yet, for

1:18:11

the first time in history, there

1:18:14

was an aviation project that worked on the

1:18:16

first occasion that happened to be the most

1:18:18

complicated one of all time. You

1:18:20

see that coincidence? How about that? So

1:18:23

humans have accomplished some pretty amazing

1:18:25

things, but the leap between that

1:18:27

and the moon

1:18:29

landings in terms

1:18:32

of getting biological, living human

1:18:34

beings to survive this

1:18:36

two-week journey to land on

1:18:38

the moon and come back. How long did it

1:18:40

take, total? All days in space? Well,

1:18:43

from setting the goal to doing it, it

1:18:45

took only eight and a half years. But

1:18:47

the actual launch? Since then, they're

1:18:50

talking about it taking 15 years

1:18:53

to return to the moon, even

1:18:55

though they have 54 years better technology.

1:18:58

It's going to take twice the amount of time

1:19:00

to return to the moon with five

1:19:03

decades better technology. But

1:19:05

again, you'd also say because it's not as

1:19:07

focused an effort. It's not like the Apollo

1:19:09

project. Well, it is a focused effort because

1:19:12

eight presidents have said they're going to return

1:19:14

to the moon in five years, right? Yeah,

1:19:16

they all say that. You had Bush senior

1:19:18

say it and Reagan said it and Clinton

1:19:20

said it and Obama said it and Bush

1:19:22

senior, Bush junior, Trump. They've all said we're going to return-

1:19:25

Trump's going to go to the moon? They were going to

1:19:27

go to the moon by 2024. Time's

1:19:31

running out. Tick, tick, tick, tick. We've

1:19:33

got a couple months left. Well, they said

1:19:35

they were going to have people orbiting the

1:19:37

moon. They said in 2014, we will have

1:19:39

people orbiting the moon in 2018, 100 percent

1:19:41

behind schedule. My

1:19:44

point was- And they only have mannequins orbiting

1:19:46

the moon. So my point was that the

1:19:48

leap between what we do now in terms

1:19:50

of the difficulty of getting into

1:19:53

space, getting into low Earth orbit and coming back,

1:19:56

it gets compounded greatly by

1:19:59

actually going- to another planet landing,

1:20:01

taking off, coming back. That's

1:20:04

much more difficult. The only time that was

1:20:06

ever accomplished was between 1969 and 1972. Seven

1:20:10

attempts, six successful. Allegedly

1:20:13

accomplished. Allegedly accomplished. But let's just

1:20:15

say what they're saying. Just

1:20:17

what they're saying, it seems very

1:20:20

strange that no one

1:20:22

else did it. It seems very strange that it stopped

1:20:24

right there and it seems very strange that no other

1:20:26

missions involved in the meeting. It's the

1:20:28

only technological achievement in the entire history

1:20:30

of the world that no

1:20:32

one from any nation could repeat 50 years

1:20:35

later. Now, just deal man, their position. It

1:20:37

took so much money and so many resources

1:20:39

that we don't have that would be better

1:20:41

served going to other things and that's why

1:20:43

they haven't been back. Why should they go

1:20:45

back? They went there. They

1:20:47

understand. They can prove they went

1:20:50

there because there's laser reflectors on the moon

1:20:52

that they can shoot lasers at and they

1:20:54

will bounce off and show you that there's

1:20:56

a laser reflector on the moon. Well,

1:20:59

that's not an argument either because in 1958,

1:21:01

according to Scientific American magazine, they

1:21:03

were bouncing lasers off the moon without

1:21:06

any man-made reflectors they're on. So

1:21:08

all they had to do is choose a landing site that had

1:21:10

reflective surfaces. Additionally, Russia put an

1:21:13

unmanned probe on the moon with laser

1:21:15

reflectors. So that doesn't prove anything. I

1:21:17

was going to get to that. But

1:21:20

that's the argument. Well, you're welcome. I did it

1:21:22

for you. Thank you. That

1:21:24

is the argument though, right? Yeah. Laser reflectors

1:21:26

prove. Another one of

1:21:28

the goofiest ones was when they used

1:21:31

the reconnaissance imagery and they showed, look,

1:21:33

we can see the landing site. What

1:21:35

are you pointing at? You

1:21:38

have to understand they already faked a

1:21:40

full body picture of an astronaut standing

1:21:42

on the surface of the moon, which

1:21:44

was filmed in Clovis, New Mexico, according

1:21:46

to an eyewitness. So

1:21:50

you're asking the fox for further proof

1:21:52

that they didn't steal a chicken? You're

1:21:54

saying after faking a full body image

1:21:57

that was shot in air force base and pretending it's

1:21:59

on the moon. My client, Mr. Fox,

1:22:01

is an upstanding citizen, and my

1:22:04

client refutes all allegations

1:22:07

while the same fraudulent

1:22:10

organization has a little shadow from

1:22:12

alleged lunar satellite that says this

1:22:14

is part of the lunar lander.

1:22:17

Yeah. There's a lot of weirdness. Another

1:22:20

bit of weirdness that is fun to

1:22:22

watch people do mental gymnastics to explain

1:22:24

away is the flag blowing in

1:22:26

the breeze. I'll just check on this. Yeah.

1:22:29

The moon landing, this

1:22:31

photo was taken by a guy

1:22:35

in Ireland or something. Nice. What

1:22:38

is it so? He's just

1:22:40

a guy. No, what does it show,

1:22:42

the image? The landing sites. What do you see?

1:22:46

I could just tell you any one of those spots is

1:22:48

a landing site, and what are you going to say? I

1:22:51

mean, you don't see much. Do you know what

1:22:53

I'm saying? It doesn't prove

1:22:55

nor disprove. It's

1:22:58

not clear enough to say what that is, right?

1:23:01

It's not clear. I don't see any

1:23:03

objects that look like they're definitively a lunar

1:23:06

rover. I don't see anything

1:23:08

that makes me think that that's what that is,

1:23:11

but it could be because it's not that clear.

1:23:13

So it's neither proof nor it doesn't

1:23:16

prove or disprove those images, in my

1:23:18

opinion. Well, here's another

1:23:20

interesting proof. You have Neil Armstrong said

1:23:23

he personally picked up a particular rock,

1:23:25

put it in his pocket and saved

1:23:27

it for the prime minister of the

1:23:29

Netherlands. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Who he

1:23:31

gave to, right? And

1:23:34

they put it in a hermetically sealed box. The

1:23:36

curator saw my film, says, oh, I wonder

1:23:38

about that. In the middle

1:23:40

of the night, they expected no one would open it

1:23:43

up. He opens it up, puts the rock under

1:23:45

a microscope, and it's petrified wood, kind of this

1:23:47

eerie out of the world looking. That's a fact.

1:23:50

So unless there are trees growing on Earth, I

1:23:52

mean, on the moon, then it's a fake. In

1:23:55

fact, there's a story. It says moon rock proves

1:23:57

to be fake. That Neil Armstrong picked

1:23:59

up and... delivered but no

1:24:01

reporter asks so

1:24:04

if the moon rocks are fake what

1:24:06

about the moon mission okay to steel

1:24:08

man that you would say what

1:24:10

was the chain of custody between

1:24:13

Neil Armstrong and this he brought it

1:24:15

to him he personally gave it to

1:24:17

him do he said I picked this

1:24:19

up off the surface of the moon

1:24:22

this is the rock right I remember it here

1:24:24

you go they put it in a box that's

1:24:26

not much chain of command to get messed up

1:24:29

the thing is like who's got it after that

1:24:31

and is it possible someone stole it and swapped

1:24:33

it out with another rock that looked like that was

1:24:35

bullshit possible you

1:24:38

have to think it's possible it I don't think

1:24:40

it's possible again I'm with you I don't think

1:24:42

it's possible I mean it seems highly likely that

1:24:44

they gave him a fake moon rock but you

1:24:47

have to leave the door open to

1:24:49

someone who's involved who's a fraudulent who

1:24:51

knew there was a moon rock there

1:24:53

and some guy said hey man I'll

1:24:55

give you a hundred thousand another interesting

1:24:57

point is six weeks before they allegedly

1:24:59

go into the moon for the very

1:25:01

first time somehow with that deadline von

1:25:04

Braun former Nazi takes a

1:25:06

leisurely vacation in Antarctica that's a

1:25:08

for he picks up you know

1:25:11

dozens of pounds of lunar

1:25:13

meteorites I wonder what they use those for

1:25:15

let's explain that too that Antarctica is one

1:25:17

of the best places to find a meteors

1:25:20

meteorites because the fact that it's

1:25:22

completely white it's all what frozen

1:25:24

snow and the meteorites will

1:25:26

stand out they'll stand out in the

1:25:28

snow yeah and that hardly ever

1:25:31

snows there so there's not much to cover

1:25:33

them up and maybe the orbit being with

1:25:35

the South Pole it's more prone to lunar

1:25:37

meteorites right so it's very well known that

1:25:40

you can get meteorites in

1:25:42

our and a lot of them they

1:25:44

can conclusively prove come from the moon

1:25:46

correct yeah it's true okay

1:25:49

so when irv on brawn maybe me needed to

1:25:51

know what he was looking at when he got

1:25:53

those moon rocks back and so is like what

1:25:55

we have any on earth will you sir we

1:25:57

do we have some lunar meteorites

1:25:59

we can find an article of the trip do

1:26:01

you have a broken arm at the time i

1:26:04

believe that there's one picture of him

1:26:06

i think that's right after he was

1:26:08

captured where his arm is

1:26:10

broken and i was just talking to try to

1:26:12

capture because i thought it was in an article

1:26:14

that you know no no no no it was

1:26:16

uh... he's in a snotty uniform and

1:26:19

it's right after he got captured and and

1:26:21

brought over an operation paperclip that's how i

1:26:23

was wondering how he broke his arm it's

1:26:25

like either he was being

1:26:27

sassy during interrogation or

1:26:29

he got the obama and you don't got pulled out

1:26:31

a rebel one of the two children he loved it

1:26:34

was a lot of thinking when you get our maybe

1:26:36

he got uh... yep or

1:26:38

total center from the end of the solution

1:26:40

anytime so he was a legitimate nazi

1:26:42

and this is important to and to the thing that

1:26:44

i know a lot of people denied uh...

1:26:47

operation paperclip was uh... an

1:26:50

operation took place right after the end

1:26:52

of world war two where we acquired

1:26:54

a bunch of nazi scientists that went

1:26:57

on to do the Apollo program verna

1:26:59

von brahm was one of them the

1:27:01

simon weesenthal center had said while he

1:27:03

was alive that if you if if

1:27:05

rather if he was alive they would

1:27:07

prosecute him for crimes against humanity that's

1:27:10

right he was a legitimate nazi they

1:27:12

hung the five slowest workers the five

1:27:14

slowest jews in the rocket factory in

1:27:16

berlin so if you walked

1:27:18

in you would see the five slowest

1:27:20

workers hanging there and this

1:27:22

is eyewitness accounts from

1:27:24

people who were in that rocket

1:27:27

factory this is not disputed stuff

1:27:29

that he did that and you know you could say

1:27:32

he was just a rocket maker he had nothing

1:27:34

to do with that but he

1:27:36

was a nazi and we had

1:27:38

in charge of the and not just one moon faking

1:27:40

did not just one of them but one of the

1:27:43

also before he died he was that the government is

1:27:45

planning on faking an alien invasion

1:27:47

so the guy who faked

1:27:49

the moon landing he said that he said that the

1:27:54

next was the evidence of that that he said that well

1:27:56

his secretary so that that's

1:27:58

why the crazy you know you know know

1:28:00

she might be doing coke making stories up

1:28:03

she might be a scammer she seems

1:28:05

sincere to me she might be trying

1:28:07

to he said they're gonna be an

1:28:09

asteroid threat next followed by a fake

1:28:11

alien invasion that's what he's and keep

1:28:13

in mind these Apollo astronauts who spent

1:28:15

their whole life lying saying the moon

1:28:17

landings are real are also the key

1:28:19

people who are saying UFOs are real

1:28:21

and so is we're not Robert key

1:28:23

people but Edgar Mitchell was one of

1:28:25

them and Robert Emanator made

1:28:27

films you know propaganda films

1:28:29

to plant the seed that UFOs are real

1:28:31

and he was at Cannon Air Force Base when

1:28:33

they faked the moon landing okay can I assume

1:28:35

that then by what you're saying that you don't

1:28:37

think UFOs are real at all no they are

1:28:39

real but they're not from outer space okay what

1:28:41

about the ones that Kenneth Arnold saw in the

1:28:43

1950s what I don't know about those but this

1:28:45

is the first I think UFOs are real but

1:28:48

they're not from outer space according to the top

1:28:50

to UFO research I have a book coming out

1:28:52

hopefully in time of this podcast

1:28:54

aliens from Planet X that talks

1:28:56

about their origin and

1:28:59

future appearance and

1:29:01

they UFOs are real and aliens are real

1:29:03

but they're not from outer space and that's

1:29:05

according to the top to

1:29:07

UFO researchers after decades

1:29:10

long research so go to sabral.com and

1:29:12

say where do they stop their enough

1:29:14

from outer space they're interdimensional and

1:29:17

potentially fallen angels disguising

1:29:20

themselves because they're liars

1:29:22

of something

1:29:24

like you said can't be proven or disproven I'm

1:29:26

from this galaxy 300 light

1:29:29

years away this is kind of what Tucker Carlson

1:29:31

thinks he I think he's

1:29:33

a spiritual element to it he thinks they've always

1:29:35

been here anything so this is what's kind of

1:29:37

documented in the Bible is like good and evil

1:29:39

that's it exactly I mean that's

1:29:42

what's going on I mean the top

1:29:44

two UFO researchers said UFOs are real

1:29:46

number one number two they're not from

1:29:48

outer space and number three they're demonic

1:29:51

and that's what I talked about the or it talks about

1:29:54

fallen angels interbreeding with

1:29:56

humans has talked about in Genesis 6 and creating

1:29:59

a race called Nephilim

1:30:01

who were men of intelligence

1:30:24

that's not of biological living

1:30:28

thing. It's just living in a developing.

1:30:58

It's happening very rapidly. Within this year, it's

1:31:01

kind of confusing people. When

1:31:04

better artificial technology comes along and

1:31:06

better interfaces come along and we

1:31:08

start realizing the only way that

1:31:10

we are going to survive is

1:31:12

if we integrate. Isn't

1:31:14

that kind of the same as

1:31:18

something coming down and interbreeding

1:31:20

with human beings? If these

1:31:22

things, if this is the

1:31:25

path of progress, this out goes in

1:31:27

intelligent life forms on complicated planets. When

1:31:30

they have complicated technology, they

1:31:32

develop internal combustion engines or some other source

1:31:35

of power. They start manipulating their environment and

1:31:37

they eventually get to the point where they

1:31:39

can make an artificial life form. That

1:31:42

artificial life form is far superior

1:31:44

intellectually to the biological life form.

1:31:46

The only way the biological life

1:31:48

form can survive is if it

1:31:50

integrates with the artificial intelligence

1:31:53

and people start to do it initially

1:31:55

and those people will have access to

1:31:57

tremendous resources that biological people don't have.

1:32:00

and then it'll be required just like it's

1:32:02

almost required for everyone to have a cell

1:32:04

phone. Everyone's going to integrate and in case

1:32:06

over time, what would that

1:32:09

look like? Well, it'd probably look like

1:32:11

aliens. It'd probably look like some weird

1:32:13

sort of creature that's not really biological

1:32:15

anymore, so it doesn't have all the

1:32:17

flaws of our primate DNA. But

1:32:21

does it have a soul? Are we

1:32:23

creating a thing without a soul

1:32:25

that has a mandate and has

1:32:29

plans for the universe and for life

1:32:31

forms? And would that kind of

1:32:33

be demonic? It seems like

1:32:35

that's demonic. I mean, if

1:32:38

you want to be real simple about demons,

1:32:40

you think they live in hell and they've

1:32:42

got pitchforks, but what kind of

1:32:44

force would a demonic force be? Something that would

1:32:47

overpower the human race and render it

1:32:49

non-existent? Well, wouldn't one way to do

1:32:51

that would be to integrate with humans

1:32:53

to the point where it makes biological

1:32:56

reproduction a thing of the past. All

1:32:59

reproduction is done through either

1:33:01

some sort of complicated gene-splicing

1:33:03

program or life in

1:33:06

consciousness gets integrated with technology

1:33:08

inextricably, so where everybody has

1:33:10

some sort of a hybrid

1:33:12

system. Well, there is

1:33:14

a spiritual component, including to the moon landing.

1:33:16

I mean, you've seen a funny thing happened

1:33:18

on the way to the moon. It

1:33:21

opens up with the Tower of Babel, which

1:33:23

was built simply to boast we have the

1:33:25

tallest building. And then we

1:33:27

show the Titanic that says the ship

1:33:29

that God himself could not sink. And

1:33:32

we know what happened there. Tower of Babel

1:33:34

never finished. Titanic never made one voyage. And

1:33:38

then Richard Nixon, when he knew they were not on the moon, said

1:33:41

putting a man on the moon is

1:33:43

the greatest event since creation itself. You

1:33:45

see, mankind's greatest

1:33:48

accomplishment, you see, and

1:33:50

the world-leading country is

1:33:53

putting a man on the moon. And

1:33:55

how ironic. And I popped in that

1:33:57

tape of the window shot and realized

1:33:59

they really did. fake the moon landing. So

1:34:01

that was the absolutely.

1:34:05

I gave him the benefit of the doubt as

1:34:07

long as possible. I want to go to the

1:34:09

flag because the flag is a piece of contentious

1:34:13

debate. The flag waving on the

1:34:15

surface of the moon. So the

1:34:17

moon has almost no atmosphere,

1:34:19

correct? Right. Okay

1:34:22

and it has one sixth earth gravity.

1:34:24

So when you're watching these

1:34:27

people plant this flag

1:34:29

on the moon, the

1:34:31

moon is supposedly doesn't

1:34:34

have any wind or definitely the kind of

1:34:36

wind that blows around a flag. Now

1:34:38

the flag had a rod at the top of it

1:34:41

and the rod at the top of it kept it

1:34:43

in place and it kept

1:34:45

it stiff so it stayed horizontal and

1:34:47

when you watch the video footage, the

1:34:50

flag is waving around in

1:34:53

what looks like a breeze. And

1:34:55

so a lot of people have tried

1:34:59

to kind of explain it away and

1:35:02

say see if you can find a video

1:35:04

of the flag itself waving. Yeah there's one.

1:35:06

So here we go. So

1:35:08

they're planting the flag. Now

1:35:12

you do have to take into

1:35:14

consideration that there's very little gravity.

1:35:16

So it's one six earth gravity.

1:35:18

So things definitely in a one

1:35:20

six gravity environment. They move differently.

1:35:22

The problem is when the flag gets

1:35:25

ultimately planted and then they back away

1:35:27

from it and no one's touching it

1:35:29

anymore, then it seems to like

1:35:31

independently be moving in the breeze. Well

1:35:34

it's my opinion they had a lot of

1:35:36

air conditioning pumped in there because the backpacks

1:35:38

had the cooling units removed so they wouldn't

1:35:40

fall over backwards. So it was very hot

1:35:42

in there and they had lots of

1:35:44

air conditioning. There's better footage, Jamie, where you just see.

1:35:46

And a funny thing happened on the way to the

1:35:49

moon at sabrel.com. There's a

1:35:51

clip of the flag blowing in

1:35:53

the wind. Here's a couple of time. Here's another

1:35:55

thing to take into consideration. This what you're looking

1:35:57

at is not a direct feed that was offered.

1:36:00

to the news organizations. So what

1:36:02

this is, is a projector that's

1:36:04

projecting on a

1:36:06

screen and then the news organizations

1:36:09

then point their camera at that

1:36:11

screen, correct? Well, actually, NASA pointed

1:36:13

a camera at the screen

1:36:15

there. So they took the footage, they put it

1:36:17

on a big screen. You got to understand 1969

1:36:20

projection technology, very low resolution. It looks

1:36:22

like this. Then they put a camera on

1:36:25

it. They ran that to a monitor and

1:36:27

then they had people film

1:36:29

the monitor. So it's

1:36:31

deliberately fourth generation. So they're

1:36:34

intentionally degradating the quality of

1:36:36

the signal. The

1:36:38

networks wanted a live feed and they gave

1:36:40

them fourth generation instead. But

1:36:43

this is important to know. If

1:36:46

you can get someone on the moon, you can get

1:36:48

better footage. Gilgen's island went to

1:36:50

color in 1965. Why didn't they have color? Let's

1:36:56

just say it's easier to do it in

1:36:58

black and white. Let's just say that. If

1:37:00

they did it in black and white, there's

1:37:02

no reason why they can't get a clear

1:37:04

feed directly to the news organizations and to

1:37:06

television. There's no reason to be filming it

1:37:08

on a monitor. There's no reason to do

1:37:10

that. Well, there is to cover up the

1:37:12

fact that it's done in a TV studio.

1:37:15

But if you can overcome the

1:37:17

technological hurdles to get people

1:37:19

to the moon, you can

1:37:21

overcome the technological hurdles to

1:37:23

allowing people to have clear

1:37:25

access, clear footage of what

1:37:27

this thing is instead of fourth generation stuff.

1:37:30

Right? Yeah. Like I said, I think

1:37:32

if Gilgen's island went from black and white to color in 1965,

1:37:36

NASA can afford a color camera on the

1:37:38

moon. After all, it is the most technologically

1:37:40

advanced event. Why wouldn't they want a high

1:37:43

resolution color camera? They didn't because it might

1:37:45

show that it's a fake scene, which it

1:37:47

was. That's why they degradated the signal by

1:37:49

fourth generation. Do we have better footage of

1:37:51

the flag waving around the moon? Because there's

1:37:53

some there's some footage of it where you're

1:37:55

just like, this is weird. Yeah,

1:37:58

there's some in a funny thing happened on the. to

1:38:00

the moon about halfway through if something color

1:38:02

the next one on Apollo 12 okay

1:38:04

let's do that one well I was trying to find that

1:38:06

but just see just just Google flag blowing

1:38:09

in the wind on the moon well if you

1:38:11

Google it you may not want to show it

1:38:13

so it's in my movie if you put it

1:38:15

on YouTube as a YouTube search it'll show it

1:38:17

which one those are different there's one

1:38:20

Apollo 5 that's me this one's

1:38:22

pretty good I think Apollo 15 yeah click

1:38:24

on that one Jamie I don't Apollo

1:38:27

15 no Jamie back where

1:38:29

it says Apollo no I said the one that says Apollo

1:38:31

15 right there that's it yeah okay so

1:38:34

this one this is

1:38:36

color he plants it it still looks shitty

1:38:39

but he plants it and

1:38:44

let's get a look at when he gets out of the

1:38:46

way you'd see it moving around so this

1:38:48

is it so this thing is kind of just

1:38:50

waving on its own no one's even touching it and

1:38:53

it looks like he's waving in a breeze it's

1:38:56

so it stops moving and then it starts moving again

1:39:02

now again there's one that

1:39:05

shows that even more than that yeah

1:39:07

an astronaut walking past it uh-huh creating

1:39:09

the breeze and then the flag blows

1:39:11

without him touching it yeah I'd like to

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