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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The

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Joe Rogan Experience. Train

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by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night,

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all day! Hello

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my British friends. What the fuck's happening?

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Good to see you guys. Good to be back man.

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It's uh, the world just, I always hope that next

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time we see each other things will calm down. Hahahaha

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Have a happy podcast dude. We're not

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freaking out and filled with existential crisis

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and doom. It's kinda weird right?

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Like life is good but the world's on fire.

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Uh huh. I think that's one of the reasons

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why life is good. It's a

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fucked up thought but I really believe

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that we only appreciate true like

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uh, comradery and

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community and friendship. If

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there's like a real

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feeling of possible doom.

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Like hovering in the air. And the times where you

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can just be together and have a drink with friends

0:54

and hug each other. That's

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when it really feels good. Like

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when, when things are too

1:02

easy. I think people find more

1:04

problems and get filled with more

1:06

anxiety. But when there's real fear

1:08

then you can look at your

1:10

friends like, I love you man.

1:12

Hahaha Cause like we can

1:14

die tonight. It could be all over. Yeah

1:17

no one's talking about the trends debate in

1:19

Afghanistan. You know what I mean? 100%.

1:21

Yeah 100%. They've solved that. They're

1:24

really not interested in drag queen

1:26

story hour. They could just fucking

1:28

shoot you and throw you in

1:30

a burn pit. Like

1:32

shut up. No it

1:35

is. It's so interesting. Schools

1:37

are like that. If you go into a

1:39

really nice school with really nice kids. The

1:41

teachers hate each other. They're all there going,

1:43

can you believe what he said about her

1:46

and she said about him. You

1:48

know what they're doing in their lesson. They're not following the syllabus.

1:51

When you work in a shit storm where every

1:53

time you walk into the building you're like, it's

1:55

not on fire. You know what? You've got more

1:57

friends than ever in the staff room. Because you have

1:59

to be. together. Yeah, I think that's

2:01

a real issue with human beings.

2:04

I think we're just so

2:06

hard-wired to be prepared for

2:08

tribal conflict, predators attacking. I

2:11

think it's just inescapable in

2:13

the very fiber of our

2:15

core. Like whatever it is,

2:17

whatever our DNA is, whatever

2:19

epigenetic memory, whatever the

2:21

fuck is in our system, it just

2:23

seems to expect

2:26

horrible things happening. And if

2:28

they're not, they find mundane

2:30

things to be horrible, microaggressions,

2:33

the dumbest shit to be upset with because you

2:35

don't have real shit to be upset with. And

2:37

so you go looking and then also the ...

2:40

One of the things with microaggressions and

2:42

a lot of those things is people

2:44

find value, like perceived value in being

2:47

a victim of something. And so they

2:49

start pushing and they realize, I'm getting

2:51

results by pushing it. Like we were

2:53

talking earlier about people that kind of

2:55

create fake narratives because they see a grift,

2:57

they see a business to get into. It's not

3:00

really their opinion and how annoying those people are

3:02

to talk to. That's what that is. It's like

3:04

you're not really upset. You just know that you

3:06

can say you're upset and then people go, oh,

3:09

I'm sorry you're upset. And then all of a

3:11

sudden we have this little scenario where you're the

3:13

highlight. You're getting focus on you.

3:15

And online, it's not just all you're upset.

3:17

It's like you're upset, here's a million dollars

3:19

and 10 billion clicks on your video. So

3:22

the incentive structures are pushing this. And you see

3:25

it, I think, happening across the political spectrum now

3:27

where people are really going heavy

3:29

on the victimhood. Like we are oppressed,

3:31

there's a conspiracy against me, et cetera.

3:33

And it gets rewarded. One

3:35

hundred percent and it's a weakness and

3:37

it's a sign of a society that

3:39

has not really experienced too much conflict

3:41

on its actual soil. Our

3:44

conflict is all self-created. Our conflict is all

3:46

crime in our own communities. Our

3:48

conflict is all defund the police. Our conflict is

3:50

... There's not real ...

3:53

There's shit that's happening in Ukraine

3:55

right now or there's shit that's

3:57

happening in Israel right now. That's

3:59

real conflict. conflict. And

4:01

when you don't have real conflict, you

4:03

find conflict, unfortunately. Yeah, it's kind of

4:06

the way we're programmed. We're programmed to

4:08

want to search for conflict, look for

4:10

conflict, engage in conflict. And

4:12

it's always a way just to take it back

4:14

to the staff room point. I found

4:17

it so interesting on a psychological level

4:19

that people would bicker about the smallest

4:21

of things and they would blow it

4:23

up into this big thing because it

4:26

was easy to teach. You had an

4:28

easy job, comparatively speaking. You're not

4:30

going to get that upset about a microaggression when

4:32

someone's about to throw a chair at your head

4:34

because you're dealing with an aggression aggressor. People

4:37

need shit to do. They really do.

4:40

I almost feel like there should be

4:42

a nationally mandated morning run that everybody

4:44

has to go on. Like the whole

4:46

country, seven o'clock in

4:48

the morning, everyone's got to run a

4:50

mile. I know that the mile's not

4:53

even that far, but just fucking one

4:55

mile, everybody. You know how much better

4:57

the country's attitude would be if we

4:59

all agreed to have like

5:02

a mandated morning workout together? It

5:05

sounds crazy. That's the solution. But

5:07

what it is, it's injecting

5:10

a difficult, a physically

5:12

and mentally difficult thing to do first,

5:14

especially for people that are out of

5:16

shape, to do first thing in the

5:18

morning. A physical mental

5:20

challenge, the first thing of your

5:23

day, and I guarantee the rest

5:25

of the day people will be

5:28

like, �What's the big deal?� A

5:30

lot of the things would be like, �What's the big deal?� Also,

5:33

you'd realize the value of doing something

5:35

that's difficult to do, which most people

5:37

don't do ever. Most people run away

5:39

from that like it's a fucking nuclear

5:41

fire. I think one of the

5:43

other reasons as well that people are struggling meaning and

5:45

purpose is that you

5:47

know the whole thing about the population not being

5:50

replaced enough and we're not having enough kids.

5:52

Well, it's not so much that women aren't

5:54

having as many kids as they used to.

5:56

It's that fewer women are having kids. That

5:59

means far fewer. people and our parents.

6:01

And like when you become a parent, it sort

6:03

of changes your outlook on things. And if you

6:05

had the lack of meaning and purpose, you quickly

6:07

find at least in providing

6:09

for this tiny thing that is entirely dependent

6:11

on you. I've certainly found that. I've

6:14

found that too. I think it also opens

6:16

up, I mean for

6:18

lack of better term, like a

6:20

window in your soul where you understand love. And like

6:22

Dave Chappelle said to me once we were talking about

6:24

having kids, we were in the back of the comedy

6:26

store and he said, not only

6:29

has it increased the amount of

6:31

love, he goes it's increased my

6:33

capacity for love. I'm like that's

6:35

brilliant. That's it. That's what it is. It

6:37

changes everything. It changes everything. It

6:39

changes everything. And also you realize like, oh,

6:42

these are all babies. Everybody's a

6:44

baby that grew up. I had that exact

6:46

experience where I was like, I started seeing

6:48

people and now I go, oh, they were

6:50

like my son once. Yeah. And he just

6:53

put me in a completely different place. And

6:55

so it made me 80% more compassionate. The

6:57

same. Yeah. I find it harder to judge

6:59

people. I still do it. Do you

7:01

have any kids? No, I don't have kids. When you're ready to

7:04

shoot a live one into a nice young lady. I

7:10

like that. That's

7:12

biology mixed with hunting. That's

7:14

your brother. That's your organ

7:16

right there. Do

7:21

you have a lady friend? No,

7:23

at the moment, no, but I'm looking, I'm

7:25

on the market. This podcast is mainly what

7:27

you like. Go. Mate, your PM's after this

7:29

are going to be for. Let's fucking go.

7:32

Come on, son. I've

7:34

been trying to get him on that bandwagon for

7:36

a while now. So we're working on it. Well,

7:39

it's like picking a career. Don't go

7:41

down the wrong path. Yeah. You know, you go down the

7:43

wrong path and you're a fucking accountant and you're fully invested and

7:45

you got a mortgage and all this bullshit and you got a

7:47

family to take care of, but you really want to be

7:49

a comic? Francis, you're fucked.

7:52

You know, you're fucked. And if you go all the

7:54

way down the row with a bad woman and a

7:56

woman that you're not compatible with, or maybe you together

7:58

are bad, whatever the fuck it is, find

8:01

a good one. I mean that

8:03

took a he- that took some twists and turns,

8:05

that conversation, so I'm gonna be honest. Yeah.

8:09

Because we went from firing a live one, which was, I

8:11

can do that. Good, but you don't want to ruin your

8:13

life. That is true. And I, look,

8:15

I'm very fortunate, I love my wife to death.

8:18

I have friends that are in hell. Yeah.

8:20

They're in hell. And I have friends that are

8:22

in hell and they stay for the kids, and

8:24

I have friends that are in hell and they're

8:26

not even, they don't even have kids. And

8:29

they both do it to each other. It's

8:32

not just the man, it's not just

8:34

the woman. It's like some people just don't

8:36

work together. It just doesn't work. And

8:39

if you get one of those pregnant, good.

8:44

And then they do things to hurt you and you try

8:46

to hurt each other and they try to get more money

8:48

out of you and they want to take you to court

8:50

and they want to turn your kids against you and, oh,

8:54

I could tell you horror stories, but I won't because

8:56

some of them are too personal, my

8:59

friends' stories. But

9:01

one of them is just so fucking insane. I

9:03

mean, I can't even get into it, but it ruined his life.

9:06

It took 15 years

9:09

to resolve. It completely destroyed

9:11

his life, completely destroyed him financially.

9:15

Yeah, I just saw crazy ladies. That's

9:17

the other thing that becoming a parent does to you

9:19

is it makes you more vulnerable because you now have

9:21

this thing that you care about more than anything. I

9:24

think that's good for people. Totally. We're

9:27

not selling marriage very well here, Joe. But

9:29

it's not a good thing to sell. If

9:33

I was an investment banker, if

9:35

I was a guy who ran your portfolio and

9:38

I was looking at marriage, I was

9:44

like, I just... I

9:47

recommend it romantically. I

9:49

recommend it spiritually. I recommend it for your

9:51

soul if you could find a soulmate. But

9:54

if you don't find a real soulmate, it's

9:56

like, what are the numbers? The numbers are

9:59

crazy. What's the number that

10:01

end up in divorce? It's more than half,

10:03

right? Yeah, half of marriages, but not half

10:05

of people. So the way it works is

10:08

people are serial divorcees, basically. They

10:10

skew the stats massively. So if

10:13

you get married, your chances of getting divorced are not

10:15

50%. But statistically

10:17

speaking, half of all marriages end in divorce

10:20

because the guys who are getting divorced over

10:22

and over and over. That's interesting. So it's

10:24

not that bad for us, is what we're

10:26

saying, right? Well, I have one friend who

10:29

had a terrible first marriage and an amazing

10:31

second marriage. Right. Yeah. And

10:33

sometimes people need to go through that evolution

10:35

where they need to make mistakes. And sometimes

10:37

it's not even the partners fault. It's just

10:39

they went into this union at the wrong

10:41

time for them for whatever reason. Yeah, well,

10:44

sometimes it's you, too. You

10:46

have that bad relationship. You go, you know what? At

10:49

any time along the way, I could, of

10:51

course, correct it and made this better.

10:53

And I didn't. And in the next

10:55

really, I really liked her in the beginning. What

10:57

the fuck happened? You can really remember what it's

11:00

like when you first meet someone

11:02

and you're really into them and just sort of

11:04

keep that forever. Isn't

11:06

it possible to just keep appreciating that

11:08

person like that forever? Most

11:10

people don't do that. They get really used

11:13

to stuff, really used to people. And

11:16

then I also think there's a part of the, if

11:18

you're full of shit, that person knows you're full of shit because

11:20

they live with you. And then

11:22

you have to face the fact that you're full of shit

11:24

in their eyes every day. You're like, fuck that bitch. She

11:26

doesn't even believe in me. The

11:29

next thing you know, you're getting your kids on

11:31

the weekend. You got

11:33

to work on the relationship, I think. Like my wife

11:35

and I have had to do that for sure. We're

11:37

very different. And so we have to really work at

11:40

it. But

11:42

what you're saying about appreciating and

11:44

not taking for granted, it's hard to

11:47

do, but it's the most important thing to

11:49

do. I think that's with all of life.

11:51

I mean, that's that corny-ass word, gratitude, like

11:53

a co-opted by those wooden bead

11:55

wearing douchebags. Those

11:57

motherfuckers, they took gratitude from.

12:00

But it's like such an

12:03

important principle of humility, like gratitude

12:05

and humility. Like those are like

12:07

to just like appreciate things, appreciate.

12:09

Like the other day it was,

12:12

it's been beautiful weather here. And the other

12:14

day it rained and the next day everything

12:16

was vibrant green. And I

12:18

was just outside going, God, this is

12:20

amazing. Like this is just view of

12:23

just the vibrancy of this life, these

12:25

trees and the grass and just

12:28

take it in. Every now and then just take it and fucking

12:30

enjoy this beautiful experience. If you were

12:32

on your deathbed right now, if you

12:34

were some 98 year old

12:37

guy with nothing left looking

12:39

back at you at this age, you'd be

12:42

like, God damn, why didn't I have more

12:44

fun? You know, that's it. I

12:47

had this kind of like epiphany once

12:50

on psychedelics and it was just, I

12:52

just think we don't have enough fun. We

12:54

just don't. And I'm as guilty

12:56

of this as the rest of people where I'm just like, right,

12:59

I'm going to do here and you know, and I've got to

13:01

do like this spot or whatever else. So you've got to do

13:03

and I've got to make sure that it's got to be perfect

13:05

and it's got to do this and this and this. You

13:07

go, is that actually what I

13:10

got into this for? Did I actually

13:12

get into to be so rigid to

13:14

live my life on train tracks or

13:16

did I get into it to play,

13:18

have fun, meet people, enjoy life? I

13:21

mean, that's why we started this. That's why

13:23

we did this. That's why we set up

13:25

podcasts. That's why we did stand up. It's

13:27

because we wanted a life that was fun.

13:31

Well said as well said as you could say it. I

13:34

think there's delaying gratitude, right?

13:36

So the thing about the

13:38

difficult work, difficult work of like putting

13:40

together a set or putting together a

13:42

joke. Like I literally fell asleep in

13:44

my fucking keyboard last night. I

13:47

was sitting in front of Microsoft Word and I

13:49

just nodded out. I'm like, fuck, go to bed

13:51

because it was pretty late. But

13:54

I don't want to do that. You know what I want

13:56

to do? I want to go watch car videos on YouTube.

13:58

I want to watch professional. Matches I want to

14:00

watch I don't want to sit there and fucking fester

14:03

over material, but I know I have to do it

14:05

You have to the only way it feels really good

14:07

when it kills is if it sucks

14:09

for a long time Computer

14:11

it doesn't always suck It's like sucks for

14:13

a few minutes until you get flowing and

14:15

then you like then you're into the process

14:17

of it And then it's stimulating, but there's

14:20

that weird resistance You know that thing then

14:22

from the war of art that

14:24

Pressfield talks about there's a part of

14:26

us that like resists So

14:28

and what did he say that is Joe? man

14:30

Pressfield talks about it almost like in he He

14:35

talked if you read more of art No I've

14:37

got a bunch of copies because I've recommended so

14:39

much that he sent me like a box of

14:41

co we bought a box back in The LA

14:43

studio now give it to comedian. So I'm like

14:45

just read this. It's a really easy read It's

14:47

a short book and it'll show

14:50

you what's what there's a thing that

14:52

fucks with people whatever this resistance is

14:54

There's something about the human psyche that

14:57

puts off doing things that you know

14:59

You're supposed to do and

15:01

resistance to writing is particularly

15:04

aggressive for whatever reason and

15:06

Pressfield talks about it like he and

15:08

he essentially gives you tools and he

15:10

says you're gonna be a Professional and

15:12

you're gonna think of yourself as a

15:14

professional and as a professional we go

15:16

to work and when we go to work

15:18

We sit in front of the computer we

15:20

summon the muse and he believes in the

15:23

muse He doesn't believe in it. Just

15:25

as like just pretend it's a muse and that way

15:27

you could be creative He's like no

15:30

if you treat it like it's real It is

15:32

real like the muse is a real thing if

15:34

you just show up every day at a certain

15:36

time and put in the time Ideas

15:38

will come to you. They're not gonna come

15:40

every day. It's not gonna be like picking

15:42

strawberries and God's open field No, it's gonna

15:45

be this weird thing But if you do

15:47

it enough if you treat it

15:49

like it is a muse it will

15:51

perform as a muse does And

15:53

if you do the work you you will

15:55

reap these rewards and it gives you like

15:58

this sort of like very simple well-outlined

16:01

sort of guide to how to do that.

16:03

That's really interesting. It resonates a lot with

16:05

me because when I'm I write a lot

16:07

of sub-stack articles now and that works really

16:09

well and all I do is I sit

16:11

down I know I've got two hours and

16:14

within five minutes it starts

16:16

flowing. Yeah. The

16:18

first five minutes like yeah it really

16:20

helps if I came into it with

16:22

an existing idea already and then I

16:25

can just go and flesh it out.

16:27

Yeah. You know that resonates a lot.

16:29

Ari Shafir used to have this quote

16:33

on his laptop I think

16:35

it's Hemingway and it said the first

16:37

draft of everything is shit. I

16:42

think it's Hemingway. Is that Hemingway's quote? Even

16:45

if it isn't that's still true. But Ari had

16:47

that as a sticker like on the screen like

16:49

right below his screen or the space between the

16:52

screen and the keyboard. Do you

16:54

know one thing that I find for creativity as

16:56

well in the way of getting good ideas is

16:58

it's so important. Yeah. It's Hemingway. The first yeah.

17:01

It's so important to

17:04

play. It's so important

17:06

to play so if you just I find it really

17:08

helpful to go for a walk maybe grab a coffee

17:11

don't listen to music don't listen to

17:13

anything and just walk and things that

17:15

have happened in your day you'll just

17:18

know it's certain things like a couple

17:20

of days ago I was in the

17:22

gym with Gold's

17:24

Gym and RFK Junior came in

17:27

with like five dudes in

17:29

jeans a polo shirt and

17:32

came in and then he was on

17:35

the bench I was on the bench

17:37

and he obliterated me and then

17:39

just left again and I was like that's

17:41

so funny there's something there that a

17:43

guy who's in his mid 70s comes in

17:45

dominates me leaves. He's mid 70s? Yeah I

17:47

think he's just 70. Oh he's 70. Is

17:50

he mid 70s? Holy

17:56

shit. Yeah how old is he? He's

18:00

70. He's 70. Yeah. He's

18:03

about 55, man. Yeah. Well, he's

18:05

very fit. He works out a lot, but in jeans, which is

18:07

very gimmicky. I don't like it. I

18:09

would recommend sweatpants or shorts. What are we doing?

18:11

Why are you wearing jeans? You know

18:13

they make better stuff for working out? If

18:17

you wear jeans to me, that tells me you work

18:19

out kinda. Like

18:22

there's no way you're sweating in jeans. There's

18:24

no way you're running five miles in the

18:26

treadmill in jeans. You're just not going to

18:28

do that. So you're only getting to a

18:30

certain level of work out if you're wearing

18:32

jeans, period. What if you just don't wear

18:34

it? Yeah,

18:36

you could just do weights. Yeah, you could just do

18:38

weights with jeans, but you shouldn't just do weights. Cardio

18:42

should be like vitamins. You need

18:44

it like you need everything else. You

18:47

need protein. You need fats. You need

18:49

vitamins. You need cardio. Cardio is important.

18:52

Your system should be stressed. Your system

18:54

should be able to perform work for

18:56

long periods of time. If it can't,

18:58

it's a bad system. If

19:01

you just want a system that looks good at the beach, that's

19:04

dumb. That's dumb. That's

19:06

a stupid thing. You can have both things. You can

19:08

have a system that looks good at the beach, but also

19:10

have a system that you can run.

19:13

You can do stuff. You can put in like,

19:15

if you have to hike somewhere, you can make it

19:17

there. Some people won't make it. That's

19:20

one thing to understand. You're trying

19:23

to get over a mountain. Not

19:25

everybody's going to make it. There's a lot of

19:27

us that are out there in society listening to this

19:29

right now that can't go over a hill. A really

19:31

big hill. That's crazy.

19:33

That's crazy. If you go to the gym and you just

19:35

do like bench press, and you just do

19:37

like fucking trap pull downs and shit, and

19:39

you got a big upper body, and then

19:41

you can't go over a hill and

19:44

you could die. Something's chasing you. You

19:46

can't get away. That's dumb. That's

19:49

really stupid. When you could have just had

19:51

both. Yeah. I

19:53

mean, he's got a security team of five people.

19:56

I'm not me, him. He's 70 years old. But

19:58

I mean, it's funny. Don't

20:00

work on jeans. Yeah, this is just my advice

20:02

Yeah, work out in a way where you can't

20:04

wear jeans because they're so uncomfortable because you're sweating

20:06

Yeah, and if you're not doing that then I

20:10

mean maybe does jeans for others Maybe does no

20:12

jeans for others maybe swims Maybe gets

20:14

cardio in in another way and that's just what he

20:16

likes to do to maybe he just wore jeans this

20:18

one time But

20:21

let me just say also I'm a

20:23

hypocrite because one of my favorite guys

20:25

to watch online is this guy Tom

20:27

Haviland and this guy is this psycho

20:29

that lives in Australia

20:31

and he was some Australia Special

20:34

Forces guy. I think he's What

20:37

is he like six nine? 360

20:40

pounds and he wears like work

20:42

clothes when he works out and

20:44

he's squatting like I don't know

20:46

a Thousand pounds or something and

20:48

carrying giant fucking barrels and shit

20:50

like he's a freak But

20:52

he everything he does in like work boots

20:55

and work pants and work shirts He

20:57

wanted me to he's not also a former special force.

20:59

Why do they keep saying that? I don't know. Okay,

21:01

what is he? I don't know. He just wanted to

21:04

text in me and said about phone number. No, I

21:06

mean I could see him He'd be me so

21:09

why so that was just one of those wild

21:11

internet rumors. Thanks for all the recent message messages.

21:13

What is his background? I Don't

21:18

know he didn't say just he's not so whatever

21:20

this guy's background and he's a fucking freak I

21:23

mean he's like the weirdest least what might

21:25

be one of the strongest humans alive and

21:27

look everything he does is this this stuff

21:31

Everything he does is like with work clothes on You

21:34

got a bulletproof vest on no, it's a weight vest

21:36

away. Yeah. Wow So he does

21:38

a lot of weird like off balance

21:40

off angle stuff a lot of weird

21:42

farmers carries with like super heavy weight

21:46

but he's freakishly strong man

21:48

and Gigantic,

21:51

oh my that vertical is insane. That's

21:53

a vertical for an almost 400 pound

21:56

man You

21:58

understand how big that guy is Wow Yeah,

22:01

my dick is where his face is, or his dick

22:03

is where my face is rather. Look at the size

22:05

of that. He put up his diet one time and

22:07

it had something insane like 400 grams

22:09

of protein for the day or something. Whoa.

22:12

Yeah, like his whole feed is this kind of

22:14

shit. Like weird kind of bizarre

22:17

weightlifting movements, zercher squats,

22:19

farmers carries. And

22:22

he's got an interesting philosophy about that

22:24

I think. What I'd read,

22:26

I don't know if this is disinformation

22:28

too, is that carrying things, apparently it's

22:31

very underrated in terms of your ability

22:33

to increase your overall strength. Like walking

22:35

with things is really good, which

22:38

a lot of people don't do. Actually

22:41

picking up weight and carrying it around is

22:43

very good for just your overall general strength.

22:45

And is that because you're using the micro

22:47

muscles that you don't if you're in one

22:50

position that's going? Yeah. Like

22:52

you know how they do those farmer's carries? A lot of

22:54

people do them with a kettlebell in each hand and I

22:56

do that too, but they say one of the best ways

22:59

to do is actually a kettlebell in one hand and then

23:01

just go back the other way with it in the other

23:03

hand because it's really awkward because you're not balancing it out

23:05

with the weight on the other side. So all of your

23:07

stabilizer muscles have to work overtime to keep that

23:09

thing in a certain position whereas it would be

23:12

kind of like locked out with both arms if

23:14

you had the weight in both hands. Do you

23:16

know I was watching RFK Junior workout and I

23:18

was like that's so American. It's

23:20

very American. Can you imagine Rishi Sunak

23:22

doing that? It was

23:24

Rishi Sunak. He's

23:28

our leader. He's this little dweeb.

23:31

You know he'll walk in. Yeah

23:33

the meat shell in here at the earth. It's in the

23:35

Bible. The only way

23:37

you would see him is if he went to

23:39

a Pilates class or legs, bums and tums. You

23:41

know what I mean? You wouldn't do that either.

23:43

Legs, bums and tums. Is that a class you

23:45

guys know? Yeah. That's hilarious. I mean

23:47

it's mostly populated by women as you can imagine.

23:49

Oh I would imagine. Or

23:52

creeps. It's a good combination.

23:54

Yeah. Like the women, some creeps. I

23:56

was going to tell a story about when I went to a

23:58

legs, bums and tums class. How many have you gone

24:00

to? I went with my ex-girlfriend

24:03

because I took the piss out of her

24:05

and I was like legs, bums and thumbs She

24:07

went alright, come along, let's do it together Come

24:09

on, let's see Ten

24:11

minutes in, I was dead Yeah,

24:15

yoga will humble you Try that, people think

24:17

yoga is easy Yoga is hard as shit

24:19

Oh yeah, we did yoga for a while

24:21

and he had He

24:24

couldn't walk straight for about three months after we

24:26

fucked his back Did you? Oh

24:29

no, you gotta be careful with that Yeah There's

24:31

certain positions like that one when you're standing up

24:33

and you have to hold your foot out extended

24:36

Like if you have a weak lower back, that

24:38

one could be really tricky I

24:40

think it was something like that Yeah That's

24:42

not something you should just jump right into No,

24:44

but the problem is you see women in their

24:46

70s smashing it in the yoga class and you're

24:48

like, Doris, if you could

24:51

do it, I can do it Well also they're

24:53

smashing it with their body weight, right? So their

24:55

body weight is significantly less than yours So

24:57

if that guy's doing yoga, that Tom Haviland guy's

24:59

doing yoga, he's doing yoga, he's 390 pounds That's

25:03

a whole different thing holding those positions as an

25:05

89-pound old lady Yeah

25:09

You know, if you're a 100-pound person, it's

25:11

easier to hold your leg up It's like

25:14

it weighs less It does It's

25:16

gravity, it doesn't require as much It's easier to

25:18

move around, you're not getting pulled down by the

25:20

earth as much Trust me though, Joe,

25:22

I've seen him do stretches Doris is a lot

25:24

more flexible than Francis It's that

25:27

too But yoga is not just strength,

25:29

it's stability It's really about stability Even

25:32

when I first started doing it, when I was shocked,

25:34

it was like how much my foot muscles were working

25:37

I was like, wow, my feet are getting tired This

25:39

is kind of crazy I didn't anticipate that I thought

25:41

you just stood and you're good But when you're standing

25:43

a lot on one leg, you realize like, oh, this

25:45

is kind of weak It's

25:48

just sort of supported by the other side And both

25:50

of them are doing a half-assed job But

25:52

in yoga, and you have to use one foot, that

25:54

little sucker really has to work You know,

25:57

that's the great thing about exercise Is it... Just

26:00

humbles you. Yes. You could

26:02

be crushing it in every area of your life.

26:04

You're like, yeah, you know what? I am the

26:06

shit. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. You get

26:08

to the, you know, you get to the, this

26:10

didn't happen. You get to the, what's

26:12

it called? The peck deck or whatever it is. And

26:15

then you grab that thing and you try and slide

26:17

it off where the weights are. Yeah. And

26:19

then you're struggling to do it. And you're like, yeah, I'll just

26:21

do this weight. Joe doesn't know what you're

26:23

talking about, mate. I do. I sympathize.

26:26

I've seen these things happen. Yeah. That's

26:30

why I was thinking like a mandated workout for

26:32

everybody in the morning. Even if you can't run,

26:34

do something else. If that, if we really did

26:36

do that, it would humble people. And

26:39

being a little bit more humble

26:41

by especially something that you decided

26:44

to do, you know, it's voluntary. It's good for you.

26:46

It's good for your brain to know that you can

26:48

do that. Charlie, well, the one thing that I think

26:50

makes all of that stuff more difficult here is in

26:53

the UK, we walk a lot because we, you can

26:55

get places by walking. Here it's kind

26:57

of in a lot of places. You couldn't really,

26:59

you have to drive everywhere. Welcome to the future.

27:01

You have to fucking walk everywhere like a cave

27:04

person. You're welcome. What

27:07

was that movie where they're all being like carried

27:09

around on these, like they're all fat and they're

27:11

all getting, it's like a kid's animated

27:14

movie. Was it Wally or something like that? Where

27:16

there's like this spaceship and they're all on these

27:18

like pods that they just hit. I think that

27:21

was Wally. Yeah. Was that

27:23

Wally? Then they're constantly sucking on a milkshake

27:25

or whatever. Just endless sugar and calories. I

27:27

think what's gonna get us is the robot

27:29

sex dolls. Yeah. Yeah, because

27:31

you know, you guys were

27:33

talking about, you

27:36

know, if

27:38

there's a decline in population,

27:40

right? That means,

27:42

and it is like a severe decline in

27:45

America, the amount of men that

27:47

are single is very high. The amount of men

27:49

that haven't had sex in like over a year,

27:51

it's very high. And there's a lot

27:53

of people that are just locked into their computers and

27:55

they're just on their computer all the time. It's super,

27:57

super common. If something came along,

28:00

long that allowed like

28:02

with these exponential increases

28:05

in technology. Like

28:07

what you're seeing with these AI

28:09

programs now which is really stunning

28:12

visuals that they can create in

28:14

seconds, in minutes they

28:16

can have like a short film. It's crazy

28:18

what they can do now. If

28:21

they can do that with a

28:23

physical moving object, like if they

28:25

can get a real

28:28

humanoid object that

28:31

has perfect features and is

28:33

your girlfriend and is

28:35

warm and sweet and gives you

28:37

everything you want from a human.

28:39

Never argues with you. It's game

28:42

over. It's game over for the

28:44

human race. Like if I

28:46

was artificial intelligence, I

28:48

wouldn't kill everybody. I would just let

28:50

them die off. The most humane way

28:52

to do it is to let them

28:55

realize that they're unnecessary and

28:57

there's no need to have kids when you can fuck

28:59

your Jennifer Lopez robot and that's what

29:01

they would do. They would

29:03

just live with their robots and no

29:06

one would have like real relations anymore.

29:08

It would go away so quick. Then

29:13

they would start having robot babies so you don't

29:15

have to like, so women that want kids like

29:17

you just have a robot baby. Since

29:19

you can't have a regular baby, they'll just give you

29:21

this baby. This baby will stay a baby forever. The

29:25

first time we had Louise Perry on, are you familiar

29:27

with Louise? I know the name. She

29:29

wrote a book called The Case Against the Sexual Revolution.

29:31

She's very, very good based out of the UK. The

29:34

first time we had her on, you know how we always

29:36

ask what's the one thing we're

29:38

not talking about at the end of the show? This

29:42

was her answer. She was like,

29:44

I think sex robots are coming and they're

29:46

going to ruin everything because the male desire

29:48

to do things, to create, to build, to

29:50

innovate, to research, to stand up for what you

29:53

believe in, to fight, all of that is tied

29:55

in to wanting to

29:57

raise your status to be with a woman. And

30:00

so you take that away, you're going to

30:02

be left with a bunch of fuckers on

30:05

pods sipping milkshakes. That's what your best case

30:07

scenario I think it's gonna happen before we

30:09

even realize it's happened I think it's gonna

30:11

happen very quickly because I think

30:13

once those things get implemented We're gonna

30:15

see it just a giant steep drop

30:17

off of childbirth and of regular

30:20

relationships and what happens to women What do they

30:22

do because they don't have that same desire. They

30:24

want to actually emotionally connect to someone, you

30:26

know Was it I don't know if

30:28

it's a true quote But I remember reading it

30:30

and thinking it was and I'm not sure if it

30:32

is now George Harrison or someone who attributed to George

30:34

Harrison said all I need from a woman is to

30:37

be attracted to her Everything else I can get from

30:39

a man There's

30:41

people that think that way Right So if

30:44

you're if you're a guy and you think

30:46

that way and then all of a sudden you have your robot fuck

30:48

doll And you're just hanging with your buddies But

30:51

women don't think that way women want to

30:53

be like emotionally generally want to be I

30:56

like to generalize It's good. It's fun

31:01

I'm walking the edge of a cliff now It

31:04

used to be you could just do that. Yeah,

31:06

well, you got to be just honest about what

31:08

you're doing I'm just certainly generalizing, but I think

31:10

there's gonna be a whole lot less women that

31:12

want a robot fuck boy Yeah, they're not gonna

31:14

want a robot fuck boy. They're not gonna respect

31:16

that guy It's not a real person with real

31:18

struggles that can really provide that's just like some

31:20

robot dick that plows them when they come home

31:22

From the club, which maybe that's great. Maybe

31:25

that's fine But I have a feeling it won't be I

31:27

have a feeling that the ingrained

31:29

human reward systems in us that

31:31

were designed to ensure That we

31:34

replicate Those are all

31:36

gonna get fucked up by robot fuck dolls

31:38

Man, they're gonna get wrecked the men and

31:40

women are the basic building block of human

31:42

society Yeah, it's what we evolved to be

31:44

and it's why that you talked earlier about

31:46

finding your soul maze. I Think

31:50

look, this is a massive generalization and obviously

31:52

won't be true for some people But I

31:54

think it's very difficult to be truly fulfilled

31:56

until you have that and until you have

31:58

kids It's very difficult people can do it

32:00

people manager people find other ways but it's

32:02

such a basic building block of our evolutionary

32:04

history that it's very it's gonna

32:06

be very hard to live without

32:08

those things being in place with those

32:10

things being available and no matter

32:13

how nice and pretty and compliant

32:16

your AI girlfriend is it

32:18

ain't the real thing. And it's also as well

32:20

I don't think people talk about this enough is

32:22

that you look at a

32:24

lot of guys and when they get with the right

32:27

woman they change. They change they

32:29

become a better person they become a better

32:31

person in it every aspect of their life.

32:34

Women tend to have a civilizing influence

32:36

on men and if

32:39

that is taken away then all you've

32:41

got is something that is going to

32:43

appeal to males based instincts which is

32:45

to fuck to have sex all right

32:47

I've done that I've satisfied that biological

32:49

urge you know what let's go for

32:52

another dopamine here let's go for a

32:54

dopamine hit here let's go smoke some

32:56

weed and then let's go and play

32:58

video games whatever time in the morning

33:00

yeah because why am I gonna sacrifice

33:02

what anything when everything can be about

33:05

my pleasure my dopamine

33:07

yeah well there's

33:09

also men and women

33:12

think again did we

33:14

say we're german this is why I

33:16

love this podcast it's having a chat

33:19

with mate yeah with severe consequences by

33:21

you slagging off RFK tomorrow anyway we're

33:23

generalizing yeah

33:41

where was I men and women men and

33:43

women oh Jesus we're really still talking about

33:45

that oh yeah baby it was about Francis

33:49

talking about dopamine hit yeah yeah yeah

33:51

I don't know if there's a solution

33:54

for them that would work as well as

33:56

a solution for men it would have to

33:58

be like a virtual reality boyfriend, but

34:00

women don't even want fake diamonds or

34:04

diamonds that are artificially made,

34:07

real diamonds that are made in a lab.

34:09

They don't want them. They want them

34:11

ones that the slaves have to dig out of the ground. It's

34:14

a weird thing. Again,

34:17

generalizing, I don't think most women are going to

34:19

have any desire to be able to robot man.

34:22

I think they want an actual one. I

34:24

think the struggle is part of the appeal. My wife has

34:26

said it to me in terms. She said it's important that

34:28

I watch you struggle to do something and then achieve it.

34:33

That makes her feel good. The

34:36

struggle is important. It's

34:39

not something that a man wants from a woman

34:41

necessarily either, which is odd. But

34:44

these things are real. We

34:47

can pretend that they're unfair or they're unjust

34:49

or they're sexist or whatever. Okay.

34:52

They're real. They just are.

34:54

They're desires and the appreciation of

34:56

people who struggle is real. My

34:59

wife is like, I need to see you struggle. I need to see

35:01

you overcome. If I ask you to put up a shelf or whatever,

35:03

I want you to do it because then I can watch you do

35:05

it and be like, oh, he's put in the effort. I

35:10

think actually quite a lot of women would say

35:12

that if they were quite an honest about what

35:14

they want. We're going to

35:16

be able to read minds. When we

35:18

read minds, it's going to be so baffling. We're

35:21

going to be like, you guys thought what? Did

35:24

you think that's what you want? Wow. I

35:26

had no idea. How is that possible?

35:29

How do you like that? Like what's

35:31

going on in your fucking head? We're

35:34

actually reading women's minds and you're

35:36

going to know like who is

35:38

pretending to not be

35:40

interested in you, but it's very interested in you. People

35:43

aren't going to be able to be coy anymore. That'd be very weird.

35:45

Oh yeah. And there's going to be a lot of people

35:48

that are going to get canceled. What

35:51

is canceling even going to mean? The problem is

35:53

a lot of the people that want to cancel

35:55

people have cancelable offenses in their own path. Oh

35:57

yeah. A big part of them. Yeah. I

36:00

think that it's all going to be

36:02

out there. Your all thoughts are going to be

36:04

out there. I think it's a matter of time

36:06

and I don't think it's that long. I think

36:08

within a decade, we're going to have some ability

36:10

because they're getting so close to it. They're

36:13

getting – there was a Japanese

36:16

study where they got some sort

36:18

of visual evidence of dreams, some

36:21

sort of – it's not like you

36:23

can see the dream, but they're getting

36:25

close. They're zeroing in on particular images

36:28

that people were experiencing while they were

36:30

dreaming and they think they could decipher

36:33

those. What is that technology? See if you

36:35

can find what they're – I think was – was

36:40

it functional magnetic

36:42

resonance imagery? Is that what

36:44

it was? When I type it in, the story comes up

36:46

almost 12 years ago. I

36:49

guess they started doing it. That's when

36:51

I said – there was some sort of recent article

36:53

about it. I think there's been

36:55

some breakthrough. The

36:57

point is they're going to get it.

36:59

They got that guy wearing the first

37:02

Neuralink patient who's wearing Neuralink in his

37:04

head now and he's operating a computer

37:06

for the first time, paralyzed. He's playing

37:08

video games. He's talking to people. It's

37:11

wild. We know

37:13

that's already been done. MRI

37:15

scans reveal what we see in

37:18

dreams. Japanese researchers unveil visuals with

37:20

60% accuracy

37:23

using innovative MRI scans in

37:26

pivotal Kyoto studies showcasing a breakthrough in

37:28

sleep science. 60%

37:31

accuracy is bananas. This is like

37:33

Morse code. It's not having

37:35

a FaceTime chat. FaceTime

37:41

chat's coming. Morse code,

37:43

we had to do that first. We got through

37:45

the smoke signals. Out there fucking

37:47

making circles in the desert. Now,

37:50

instead of smoke signals, we have

37:53

impossible technology that anybody 100

37:55

years ago would have

37:58

thought of as complete magic. Well,

38:00

this is going to make that look like

38:02

a fucking walk in the park with your

38:04

friends. It's going to make it look, it's

38:06

going to make it seem so mundane. What

38:10

that shit is going to do is unite all brains.

38:13

All brains united in

38:15

the weirdest sort of hive

38:17

mind situation that anybody could

38:19

ever, you

38:21

couldn't imagine what that would be like.

38:24

Just like we couldn't imagine in the 1700s what

38:26

it's like to just get on Twitter and read

38:29

news about Beirut. How

38:31

could you know? How could you instantaneously get news about another

38:33

part of the world that you're nowhere near? Well,

38:35

because the world's changed. The whole thing's changed. It's

38:38

going to be everybody's brain connected. May

38:42

you live an interesting time. Yeah. That

38:44

is the weirdest, it's going to be a whole

38:46

new way of interfacing with reality. And

38:49

do you know what? I might not

38:51

be right, but I think that's, it's

38:54

like one plus one is two, two plus three.

38:56

It's like it's right there. It's coming.

38:58

Do you know, here's, because we all dream

39:00

some pretty fucked up stuff. You know, like

39:02

you wake up and you're like, what was

39:04

that about? Yeah. It

39:06

just imagine like, you know, you, you,

39:09

you, you had this neuro link program,

39:11

you know, attached to you and

39:13

you, you wake up and the sign and you'd say to

39:15

the scientist, so what did I dream about? And they're like,

39:17

turns out you're gay, mate. What

39:21

if everybody's getting their dreams? What

39:23

if you're straight in reality, you're definitely

39:26

gay in your dreams and

39:28

you have to decide which one you're going to be.

39:30

So if you're a gay guy, then you straighten your

39:32

dreams. I've

39:34

always said, I think it'd be a lot easier to be gay. Oh,

39:37

there's definitely some value in that in

39:39

certain circumstances, but when they get old, it

39:41

gets rough. It gets

39:44

rough because men are mean, you

39:46

know, they're mean and you know, you're an old man

39:48

and he doesn't want to suck your dick anymore. Sorry.

39:52

They want to go get a young guy. And

39:54

that's the difference, you know, between an

39:56

old man and woman couple, they're just

39:58

hanging out together. versus an old guy when no

40:01

one wants to fuck him anymore and he has to try

40:03

to pay young guys to be with him and then it gets

40:05

ugly and sad. All right, you've ruined the

40:07

appeal for me, Joe. It's just like, it's so much

40:09

easier. If I ask Francis,

40:12

mate, do you want to go for dinner? He's like, yeah.

40:14

I'm like, what do you want to go? Oh, I don't

40:16

mind. I'd never have that conversation with my wife. It's like

40:18

a half hour affair of working it out, making sure it's

40:20

the right place and the right time and all of it.

40:23

I had some friends of mine that were

40:25

a gay couple and they decided to get

40:27

a surrogate. So they get a surrogate and

40:29

then the lady decides to keep the kid

40:31

and she kept it. She's like, nah, I'm going to

40:34

keep your kid. That doesn't surprise

40:36

me. I like the kid. Yeah, it surprises

40:38

me that that doesn't happen most of the time.

40:41

Once the baby is so connected to

40:43

you, it must be a traumatic experience

40:45

for the mother. Yeah, and the baby

40:47

probably. Oh, yeah. It's

40:50

a weird one. The surrogate baby

40:52

thing is a weird one. That

40:55

is like, I mean,

40:57

it's like a modern day version of some weird

41:00

shit that people would have done in like the

41:02

1700s. You

41:04

know, carry my baby for me. Like

41:06

what? You can hire someone to carry

41:08

your baby? What? Hold on.

41:10

Yeah, we're having a bunch of surrogate babies now.

41:12

We decided to just keep making

41:14

kids, but I don't want to carry them. So

41:17

we're just going to stuff them inside someone and have them carry them and

41:19

I'm going to pay them. It's a bit

41:21

of a moral landmine. People get very triggered

41:23

when anyone says anything about it. But that

41:25

tearing of the maternal bond, that

41:29

ain't no joke about things. It's not

41:31

a joke. And that is something that

41:33

we can't discount. If

41:35

they do create an

41:38

artificial human being, the

41:42

reality is without all those natural

41:44

processes that are in place that

41:46

you don't even understand until they're

41:48

actually happening, if you don't have

41:50

them at all, you don't

41:52

have them at all in this thing. This thing

41:54

wasn't bonded to its mother. Didn't have fights with

41:56

its sister where they made up. It didn't have

41:58

someone who was mean to them. to

42:00

become their best friend. Didn't have all that stuff, none

42:03

of that stuff. So what do you have, is

42:05

that a demon? Like what is that? What

42:07

is that? What is this new life form that's smarter

42:09

than you that has no

42:12

real emotions because it has no real stake

42:14

in the game because it was created with

42:16

a fucking 3D printer. What is

42:18

that? That thing you're sticking your dick into, sir. What

42:20

is that? You're literally fucking a

42:22

demon and you're having, the

42:25

thing that's gonna overcome us. And

42:27

if it overcomes us just by seducing us

42:29

into putting our seed inside of it instead

42:31

of women because you can't be bothered because

42:33

then you can't play Call of Duty all

42:35

day. Like that, for

42:37

a lot of young guys who, especially

42:39

if they don't have status, so it's

42:41

very difficult for them to get a

42:43

woman that they're attracted to. They don't

42:45

have money, they're not attractive, whatever, fill

42:47

in the blank. If they

42:50

can just have the literal hottest woman

42:52

that's ever lived and they can have

42:54

sex with her and they cost like

42:56

what, 25 grand and you can mortgage

42:58

it. You can figure

43:00

out a way to get the money, they'll

43:05

finance it. Thousand dollars down,

43:07

a thousand pounds a month. Or

43:10

you sell your data, you know,

43:12

if you agree to opt in to the

43:14

porn site. Can you

43:17

imagine how depressing it must be if your sex

43:19

pot gets repossessed? Ooh,

43:21

I bet they would do that a lot. She would

43:23

scream and cry for you, motivate you to pay up.

43:26

She's screaming and crying and manipulating you as

43:28

they're dragging her away. Yeah, that

43:30

would be devastating. And they're telling you they're

43:33

gonna fuck your sex robot. No, don't.

43:35

I'm gonna defile it. We're gonna give

43:37

it to your best friend. Oh, right,

43:40

he's got a line. You know, he just

43:42

broke. You know what

43:44

I find interesting, Joe, is that I haven't seen

43:46

too much really good sci-fi being made, which I

43:49

find interesting because- Her dune was great, but I

43:51

haven't seen it. Yeah, dune is great, but it's

43:53

not along these lines. So what I mean is,

43:55

like, when we first

43:57

started getting the technology for space travel-

44:00

You had these people like Isaac Asimov and

44:02

robotics was coming and they would have really

44:05

interesting Stories

44:07

and books of exploring the idea of you know,

44:10

what does that look like when there are robots?

44:12

What are the how would you run that? What

44:14

would be the potential downfalls and stuff like that?

44:17

And he was you know, I remember when I was

44:19

in my teenager It was the Golden Age for that

44:22

kind of stuff And now we

44:24

seem to have these giant breakthroughs coming and

44:26

we don't seem to have enough Authors

44:29

and artists thinking about some of the dilemmas

44:31

involved and really kind of trying to think

44:34

that through through a story Lens

44:36

about what the impact might be right,

44:38

you know And that's interesting to me

44:40

because I think I think we just

44:43

genuinely have no fucking idea what's coming

44:45

Well, I also think that the leaps

44:47

between the initial rocketry program You

44:50

know NASA Apollo program and then

44:52

what could come next is

44:54

a lot easier to chart out Then

44:57

what I mean and they were wrong about a lot of shit.

44:59

Oh, yeah, there was a show called space 1999 I

45:02

remember I used to watch when I was a kid Space

45:05

like everything was like super futuristic

45:07

like crazy like Star Wars like

45:09

in 1999 like that's what they

45:11

thought Nobody

45:14

figured everybody thought flying cars. Everybody thought

45:17

flying cars. No flying cars, you

45:19

know, are they coming? I mean, there's

45:21

there's some manufacturers that have made one one

45:23

guy has made one I think it's a

45:25

Chinese company and it's a like a drone

45:27

essentially It's like you have a single seat

45:30

in the center of it and you close

45:32

it like a helicopter and you have drone

45:35

You know like the same kind of propellers

45:37

that drones have you See

45:39

just operate it like a drone But

45:42

that's there's a couple other ones But there's nothing

45:44

that's like commercially viable where they're gonna be able

45:46

to sell them as many as they sell Tesla's,

45:48

you know It's not it's not there yet But

45:50

it's not probably not gonna get there when the

45:53

when the AI hits Everything

45:55

stops when when it goes live

45:57

when it becomes sentient. What's literally

46:00

Skynet you're gonna have a organic

46:03

thing that's made out of Electronics it's

46:05

gonna be a life form and

46:08

we we're gonna give birth to this stupid fucking thing

46:12

And I think everything's gonna be doomed I

46:14

think we're gonna have a government that's run

46:16

by AI because it's gonna be the most

46:19

efficient and then who controls the AI Oh

46:21

the most equitable ethical people like it's gonna

46:23

it's it could be real weird It

46:25

could be real weird because it's gonna be so

46:27

much smarter than all the human beings combined And

46:30

you're gonna be able to use it to manipulate people And

46:32

if people are still allowed to vote and then you

46:34

could use AI to sort of just manipulate them perfectly

46:37

Into leaning they'll figure out like what

46:39

is the issue that keeps you from

46:41

voting for Biden over Trump? What is

46:44

the issue that keeps it from voting

46:46

independent for RFK jr.? Let's see what

46:48

it is and let's monkey

46:50

with the data and let's get you

46:53

information that stimulates that part of your

46:55

brain just Enough for all

46:57

those fence sitters go to the other side and then

46:59

who knows what's going on Who

47:01

knows who's running anything is AI video is

47:03

so goddamn good They can take a photo

47:06

of you and have you say anything So

47:09

who knows what Putin's saying and

47:11

who knows what Zalinski's saying and

47:13

who knows what anybody's saying anywhere

47:16

in five years? Who

47:18

knows that is? Absolutely terrifying

47:20

that's real. It's like these are these

47:22

are undeniable truths that I think that

47:24

we have to come to grip With

47:26

before this shit hits when I

47:28

say hits obviously I'm a lot. I don't know what I'm

47:30

talking about, but I'm Extrapolating

47:32

I'm looking at where things are going

47:34

and I'm going this is gonna happen

47:36

so fast and it's gonna be so

47:38

weird It's not it's not

47:41

gonna stop at chat GPT 5 It's

47:43

not gonna just stop at these robots

47:46

that'll clean your kitchen. It's not gonna

47:48

stop it though It's gonna keep going

47:50

and it's gonna go quick real quick

47:52

big leaps Big

47:54

real big leaps real quick where

47:56

the world is alien real

47:58

quick and look at the We're already seeing I

48:01

mean Google Gemini that was eye-opening.

48:03

Yeah, that was eye-opening. Yeah, but I

48:05

like my voice human influence I tried

48:07

to talk I tried to ask it

48:09

some questions about Contentious subjects and

48:11

it was literally like talking to a woke 18 year

48:13

old Because

48:16

it refuses to give you certain information

48:18

if you ask it about things that

48:20

are controversial, let's say Whatever

48:23

there's different examples you could ask it. It just

48:25

says well I have the information but I'm not

48:27

gonna give it to you because it's harmful Oh

48:31

Damn that that Ideology

48:36

that pervasive Idiotic

48:38

ideology is so terrifying

48:41

It's so terrifying how quickly people

48:43

will adopt all of those principles

48:46

without variation rarely they just they

48:48

just lump into that and you

48:51

know and and Censorship

48:53

is fine as long as you're censoring

48:55

bad people. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah,

48:58

I mean what look for Australia is trying to do

49:00

with Elon and an accident Yeah, we were talking about

49:02

that earlier this woman from Australia. Who is that lady?

49:04

I think she's a parliamentarian or a minister in the

49:07

government So you say he should be locked up for

49:09

what he's doing on social media. Like what is he

49:11

doing? I want to know

49:13

what imagine imagine that's your threshold for

49:15

locking someone up Allowing people

49:18

to talk right, you know, what is

49:20

he doing? That's so egregious Like does she have I

49:22

feel like if you make that statement if you're

49:24

a person that's an elected official and you make

49:26

that statement Like this person should be locked up

49:29

if it's not for something very specific

49:31

You're terrifying me because you're in a

49:33

position of power and you just want

49:35

to just Flippantly lock

49:37

people in a cage because

49:39

they disagree with you Please

49:42

explain what it is. Like what

49:44

is he I have not

49:46

yet seen one thing I've

49:48

not he's not perfect. He's not doesn't make

49:50

all the the same moves that I'm

49:53

guessing I have to do with this

49:55

Koot accuses Australia of censorship after court

49:57

bans violent video. There's a video of

49:59

a bishop Being stabbed at a church.

50:01

Oh, I saw that video So

50:04

Australia is trying to ban that

50:06

video, right? Okay.

50:08

Well, I agree with you on so imagine

50:11

thinking that he should be you want some

50:13

water. I'd love some coffee Thanks,

50:16

bro So

50:24

He's saying this is a real

50:26

video. This is a real thing that happened. There's

50:29

There's something that someone wants to see the world

50:31

should know that this can happen Here's

50:34

the video right somebody put it up. It

50:36

doesn't violate any of our laws. Let's keep it up

50:38

there and They're

50:40

saying he should be locked in a cage for that.

50:42

Yeah, I mean that's crazy Well, once

50:44

you invent so this isn't the case in this

50:47

instance particularly, but once you invent the idea of

50:49

hate speech Then everything

50:51

else follows because that if there's hate

50:53

speech That means some people aren't allowed

50:55

to be saying what they're saying and

50:58

by the way I mean is true

51:00

like I I definitely have noticed an

51:02

increase in like Anti-semitic messages that people

51:04

send me since Elon took over. I'm

51:07

happy with that I'm very

51:09

comfortable with that because the rest of good because

51:11

you just mentioned it now Well,

51:14

I don't give a shit. I just block people that I

51:16

don't want to hear from and that works for me I

51:18

think that's the way it should be because if you

51:21

we've got to open up the conversation That means that

51:23

some people are gonna say dumb shit And

51:25

I'm I would much rather that

51:27

than some well-meaning bureaucrat deciding what should and

51:29

shouldn't be allowed to be said in the

51:31

public square So if you're here if that

51:33

means there's more hate I don't give a

51:35

shit. I think it's worth it That is

51:37

the only solution. It's not gonna be a it's

51:40

not a simple solution It's gonna be

51:42

yeah, you're gonna open up the door to more hate

51:44

But you're also gonna open up the door to free

51:46

conversations and people gonna figure out what's what and

51:49

that's the only way it really works It

51:51

doesn't work by government mandate, especially when we've

51:53

seen particularly with our government with the Twitter

51:55

files How there have been

51:58

people that worked within the government Contacted

52:00

Twitter and tried to get factual

52:02

information taken down and trying to

52:04

get the accounts Suppressed of

52:06

people that were experts in the field that

52:08

have a differing opinion other than what was

52:11

being promoted. That's crazy You can't have that

52:13

like that that can't be a thing because

52:15

that's not good for the government. It's not

52:17

good for us It's not good for anybody

52:19

to allow that kind of shit. That's the

52:21

whole it's un-american You should be ashamed that

52:24

you want to do that. It's unpatriotic You

52:26

shouldn't be allowed to do it just because

52:28

you're in a sneaky secret squirrel position where

52:31

you can contact Twitter through You know

52:33

the some government agent and then they get

52:35

they feel pressured and then they give in

52:37

to something that you're doing It's super unethical.

52:40

That's an American I love that you said

52:42

that joke because it's a phrase that you

52:44

don't hear as much as I think he

52:46

used to 20 years ago Just the idea

52:48

that there's some basic core principles of what

52:50

America and the broader West is founded on

52:52

and that's that's one of them It's one

52:54

of them and you have to fight off

52:56

that urge to control people You have to

52:58

recognize that if you're in a position of power

53:01

Whether you're a cult leader or a president or whatever

53:03

the fuck you are There's this desire

53:05

to control people that gets people to that

53:07

position in the first place this this Ego

53:10

that makes them think I should be the

53:12

one that talks for the whole group I

53:14

know it's better for all of them and

53:16

as soon as you start using that in

53:18

an unethical way like that like censoring people

53:20

Especially censoring factual information from experts. You're

53:23

un-american. That's un-american. It's it's Unpatriotic

53:27

in fact, it's it's it it's

53:30

one of the grossest things you could do

53:32

in a place that values free speech and

53:35

We've seen so tangibly what's come

53:37

out of this country term like

53:39

culturally the music the comedy the

53:41

Literature the all that the crazy

53:43

shit the movies that have come

53:45

from this experiment and self-government And

53:47

the only way it works is

53:49

if you let people Work

53:52

it out You got to let people talk and you're gonna

53:54

get people that are wrong and you're gonna get people that

53:56

are racist You're gonna get a people that are sexist and

53:58

you're gonna get people that are homophobic You're

54:00

going to get all that, but you're also going

54:02

to get people that battle those people. You're going

54:04

to get people that have better arguments than those

54:06

people. You get people that sort of start

54:09

posting links and quotes, and people start figuring

54:11

things out for themselves. And that's the only

54:13

way this works. It's the only

54:16

way. You can't let these people that are

54:18

elected officials decide what you can and can't

54:20

consume. Because I don't know you. I know

54:23

the you that ran for mayor. I don't know you. You

54:25

might be a piece of shit. You might be a

54:27

sociopath. You might be a smiling con

54:30

artist that tricked a bunch of people because nobody

54:32

wants to run, and everybody who does run sucks.

54:34

It's like you're literally like boxing with five-year-olds. Like,

54:37

oh, you're the champ. Yay. No

54:39

one's doing it. No one's doing it. Like,

54:42

no real quality human beings are

54:44

out there running for office in

54:46

Los Angeles. They're not running

54:48

for—I mean, there was that Rick Caruso guy. They didn't

54:50

give him a chance. He could have done something. That's

54:52

a rare thing when you have a very wealthy person

54:54

who wants to try to save a city. But

54:57

of course, he's like a Republican, right?

54:59

So they're like, get out of here. Are you

55:01

running Republican as a Democrat? What

55:03

was he running as? You

55:06

can't even win as a Republican in California. They're

55:09

so— It was a lot of guys in the way of Negan.

55:12

Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was the last one. But he

55:14

was also royalty. So it's like a tricky

55:16

thing because that was Hollywood royalty. He was

55:19

a movie star. He would be great if

55:21

Arnie got it there. He's a sensible Republican.

55:23

He's one of us. He's a liberal. He's

55:25

also running as a Republican. That's the only

55:28

way he can win. Yeah.

55:31

And you've seen that more and more throughout

55:34

all our societies. But you look at what's

55:36

happening in Scotland when I messaged you with

55:38

what was happening with the hate speech laws.

55:41

And now, the hate

55:43

speech has been criminalized in

55:45

public performances, including plays. It's

55:48

so insane. So the Edinburgh

55:50

Festival, which is the largest comedy and

55:52

arts festival in the world, people can

55:54

now get arrested for public performance. And

55:57

they most certainly will if they follow

55:59

the rule of the law, because they—

56:01

Edinburgh those guys get wild yeah get

56:03

wild down there yeah and so they

56:05

should and you just know it's a

56:07

comedy festival yeah there's probably a few

56:09

people that actually get

56:14

rid of you know Francis and I we've

56:16

been warning about this for ages and most

56:18

most people pretend it's not happening they ignore

56:20

it and it's like first a

56:22

couple years ago a guy called Jerry Sadowitz who's super

56:25

funny super offensive comic like

56:27

none of his stuff is online because it's

56:29

too offensive but you go and see

56:31

him he's absolutely incredible so they pulled his show

56:33

from the Edinburgh festival and we were like this

56:36

is a problem like no no there's no problem

56:38

now you literally have the

56:40

police potentially arresting comedians maybe

56:42

this is when they start waking

56:44

up yeah and and this same

56:46

government wanted to criminalize hate speech

56:48

in your home in your home

56:51

it really is the real problem

56:54

is the people that want that job shouldn't

56:56

have that job yeah no quality except for

56:58

this is a rare few like I think

57:01

RFK is a great person yeah I would

57:03

I would vote for him I think Tulsi

57:05

Gabbard is a great person yeah I would

57:07

vote for her there's just people that I

57:09

think are running for office and they're legitimately

57:11

trying to do well for

57:13

the for the world they're trying to make a

57:15

better place they're trying they think they have ideas

57:17

that would sort out some of the problems that

57:19

we have and they're one of us that's real

57:22

but then there's these fucking people the rest of

57:24

them they're just these partisan fucking

57:26

robots and they just get connected to the

57:29

system and they know which wheels to grease

57:31

and they all get connected together and they

57:33

support each other and it's just

57:36

and even with good well-intentioned people I think that's

57:38

what we're talking about free speech there are some

57:41

certain principles they've got to be there because good

57:44

intentions can be misused you're like oh

57:46

I just want to do good I

57:48

just want to protect people from harm

57:50

that's why we need to restrict speech

57:52

online that's their argument like I did

57:54

the stupid argument that they should have

57:56

to they should have to debate someone about that

57:58

yeah yeah you want to Just pass something like

58:01

that you should have to stand put that

58:03

is a very important thing You're trying to

58:05

pass you should have to stand publicly and

58:07

defend that against a champion of free speech

58:09

Yeah, go really brilliant like if Hitchens was

58:11

a lot right? Yeah, you know could you

58:14

imagine what that would have looked like? Christopher

58:17

Hitchens versus whoever the fuck thinks they

58:19

can lock people up for saying cunt

58:21

You know whatever whatever the words that you're gonna

58:24

choose that are hate speech now, and they're gonna

58:26

keep moving They're run out of words. They're gonna

58:28

push new words. They're gonna push new descriptions that

58:30

are problematic I mean to be fair

58:32

cunt is not a hate speech in Australia. It's

58:34

a greeting Yeah,

58:38

he's a good cunt You

58:41

know he balled back isn't it funny that

58:43

that it's that is a weird thing that

58:45

that word became cute over there Yeah, and

58:47

over here. It's just so rough. Yeah.

58:50

Yeah, it's it's so interesting because like

58:52

I said in Scotland It's

58:54

a term of affection. I was

58:56

in Glasgow, and they were queuing at the bar,

58:58

and there was this English guy You know he

59:00

was there hello I mean you know one of

59:02

them and then he was rough like placing glass

59:04

bar and glass got people cut in front of

59:06

him And then one bloke there who

59:08

was rough ass glass region looked at the bar

59:11

man went hey barman get this poor cunt a

59:13

drink And it

59:15

was the love in his eye. Yeah, it's just

59:17

pure affection You know like this guy's been fucked

59:19

over game a drink Yeah, if

59:21

you say that Boston, they'll beat the fuck up For

59:26

some reason it didn't make it over

59:28

there. Yeah, which is interesting because it's

59:30

obviously so heavily influenced But

59:32

you know to the point that we were

59:35

talking about you know you see even something

59:37

like diversity You did the

59:39

Scottish first minister There's a very famous

59:41

speech where he came out and he

59:43

listed people who were working in certain

59:45

places I can't remember in some parts

59:47

of government, and he just went white

59:50

white yeah, I saw that white in his

59:52

heart mate It's Scotland. It's 96% white would

59:54

you expect? But

59:58

everybody's so scared of being called racist. Yeah,

1:00:00

you're right. And you know what happened

1:00:03

is the day they, the week they

1:00:05

passed that bill, there

1:00:08

were more reports of hate speech on that

1:00:10

speech that he gave than there'd

1:00:12

been for years. That's hilarious. Now are

1:00:14

they hypocrites? Do they lock him up?

1:00:16

That would be maybe the solution. Lock

1:00:18

him up then overturn the law. Yeah.

1:00:20

Yeah. Well, they didn't lock him up.

1:00:22

The BBC did a very nice interview

1:00:24

where they agreed that anyone who criticized

1:00:27

him must be far right. Yeah. That's

1:00:29

sweet. That's a good move. Yeah. Checkers.

1:00:31

Yeah. Yeah. The world is checkers to

1:00:33

you and you don't think that it's

1:00:35

so fucking transparent. It's such a basic

1:00:37

principle of our civilization that people should be free

1:00:39

to speak their mind. And it's

1:00:41

important at every level, like our armies fight

1:00:44

better because they're less hierarchical so the soldier

1:00:46

on the ground can pass information up to

1:00:48

chain of command without being afraid. Right.

1:00:50

It matters in every single aspect of

1:00:53

what we do. It's the reason for

1:00:55

scientific progress. It's the reason for technological

1:00:57

progress. It's the reason, as you say,

1:00:59

for the cultural creativity that we have

1:01:01

here that they don't have in other

1:01:03

places. It's the bedrock of

1:01:05

our civilization and you've got well intentioned

1:01:07

quote unquote people running around trying to

1:01:09

tear it down. I had this experience

1:01:11

when I last know not the

1:01:13

last on the penultimate time I did question time,

1:01:15

which is like a big discussion show in the

1:01:17

UK on TV. And they it's

1:01:20

a there's like five people from different

1:01:22

perspectives, different angles. And

1:01:24

before they start, they do one question that they

1:01:26

don't broadcast. It's like a warm up. Right.

1:01:29

And the question at the time was Donald

1:01:31

Trump had just been unbanned from Facebook. And

1:01:33

they were like, well, should that have happened?

1:01:35

And I, you know, made the controversial point

1:01:37

that the former president of the most powerful

1:01:39

country in the world should be allowed to

1:01:41

say something in public. Didn't

1:01:43

go down well. And then they went to

1:01:50

the left wing politician, the Labour

1:01:52

Party politician on the panel, and

1:01:55

she went without missing a bit. She went, we must

1:01:58

have the safest Internet in the world. And

1:02:01

I was like, what, safer than North Korea? They've

1:02:05

completely lost their understanding that

1:02:07

there is a trade-off between freedom and safety.

1:02:09

And when you go for more freedom, yes,

1:02:11

it means there's less safety from people's herty

1:02:14

words or whatever. But you get

1:02:16

more freedom, and that's actually worth it.

1:02:18

It's actually important. And it's always these

1:02:20

people that want to assume those positions

1:02:22

of power, that have this sort of

1:02:25

fucking limited view of human psychology. And

1:02:27

the way we accumulate and process information,

1:02:30

it has to be – we

1:02:32

have to be able to talk about stuff. If you

1:02:34

can't just talk about stuff, you get one side of

1:02:36

the story, and that side of the story is going

1:02:39

to favor whoever the fuck is in control of what

1:02:41

you get to talk about, period. It's always how it's

1:02:43

been. And to think that it's going to

1:02:45

be different now because we're better and we're more civilized,

1:02:47

well, we can trust our leaders now. No.

1:02:50

No. It's a human thing. So the

1:02:52

reason why we're – there's term limits.

1:02:55

You can only get corrupted so much

1:02:57

over eight years, and hopefully someone could

1:02:59

say, this guy sucks. Let's try a

1:03:01

whole new crew of people. See how

1:03:03

we run this thing. You see, that's

1:03:05

why I found COVID so fascinating, because

1:03:07

that was when the masks slipped. And

1:03:10

you saw some leaders, and you were like, okay,

1:03:12

you're trying to do your best. And then you

1:03:14

saw the petty little authoritarians come out,

1:03:17

and you really saw them. And

1:03:19

then what was interesting about it as

1:03:22

well was that there were some things

1:03:24

that were so funny because they were

1:03:26

so ridiculous. Do you remember in New

1:03:29

Zealand when a guy got arrested for

1:03:31

transporting KSC across county lines? Biological terrorism.

1:03:34

Yeah. He got on with – Because

1:03:38

he wasn't – because during the COVID

1:03:41

regulations, you couldn't move beyond a certain

1:03:43

– Oh, you had a barrier. Yeah,

1:03:45

a certain – there was a barrier. And

1:03:47

this guy was making money because he was

1:03:49

going to KFC, buying it, and then

1:03:52

basically – and then coming back and being

1:03:54

like KFC, drug dealers, but for KFC. And

1:03:57

then he was stopped, Surged by

1:03:59

the police, and then he was stopped. arrested

1:04:01

and then they listed all of these things

1:04:03

in his boot and my to to tubs

1:04:05

of called slow One coke bottle. And

1:04:07

you caused this is. Tens.

1:04:12

Of thousands of dollars Yet. Men:

1:04:15

Were charged and preaching. the country's tough tough covered

1:04:17

nineteen, a boot full of t of seed chicken

1:04:19

and tens of thousands. I think it's the money

1:04:22

they're worried about. See must have been in the

1:04:24

camps, he just kind of a carnival rides when

1:04:26

I look at says they were tons of breaching

1:04:28

the country's covered roles as non zero money's right

1:04:31

but they did up tens of thousands dollars which

1:04:33

means both quality of see. How

1:04:37

to legally to see this is my last

1:04:39

day of the danger and lie down accept

1:04:41

as like I'm gonna go out on of

1:04:43

a Gps of my chocolate ago been through

1:04:45

his exams these maguire is manufactured look at

1:04:48

his with hall see he was smuggling Kfc

1:04:50

yes no way seat know that tikkun olam

1:04:52

self the a lot of chicken yeah I

1:04:54

mean by the way down my be my

1:04:56

favorite fast food yes my all I say

1:04:58

oh if you're really not concerned about your

1:05:01

health it also has had a side note

1:05:03

I way of earth as effective specially. The

1:05:05

thereby your crunchy right in there to

1:05:07

have doesn't ever a crunchy crust sometimes

1:05:10

to yeah. The. I am. In.

1:05:12

The get honestly lap and they get caught

1:05:14

traveling on a gravel road on the outskirts

1:05:17

of the city. Did you turn when they

1:05:19

saw police? Moreover, mother said enough on our

1:05:21

hundred thousand dollars and castles. Oh that's a

1:05:23

lot of money guys. we don't sell him

1:05:26

to his name is necessary to his mansion

1:05:28

fucking really locked to get some task browsers

1:05:30

your thousand dollars to go. Give me a

1:05:32

bucket of chicken and really helps. It is

1:05:35

also processes. I mean I'd go and get

1:05:37

it or not. we are either the men

1:05:39

intended to sell the food I told you

1:05:41

or if they. Have to use it as a

1:05:43

distraction. of as

1:05:45

taxpayers and carefree amateur we have a

1:05:48

we had a subset my fucking money

1:05:50

sir and that would douglas the whole

1:05:52

thing was sullivan him for me and

1:05:54

i think we're probably constantine and to

1:05:56

use wealth that was a real white

1:05:59

cop moments where I was actually going,

1:06:01

okay, how much of this is about keeping

1:06:03

people safe, which I can understand? And by

1:06:05

the way, I can understand an

1:06:07

overreaction as well when the virus was about

1:06:09

to hit. I remember saying to Conantin,

1:06:11

we're going to bank episodes, we're going to bank

1:06:13

episodes now, bank, bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. And

1:06:16

I was like, oh, come on, mate, it's just

1:06:18

a flu. Nothing's going to happen.

1:06:20

This was like in January 2020. Yeah.

1:06:22

And he was like, no, no, you've got to take the shit seriously.

1:06:24

Yeah. And he was right. Oh, wow.

1:06:27

And so there's that natural reaction where you

1:06:29

go, look, this is serious. We've got to protect people.

1:06:32

They're vulnerable people. And then there's other stuff

1:06:34

where you're going, this makes

1:06:36

no sense. Yeah, but

1:06:39

it's people wanting to do something. They had a

1:06:41

show that they had somewhat sort of a measure

1:06:44

of a plan. In California,

1:06:46

the big one was closing the outside dining.

1:06:49

I've said this before, so I

1:06:51

apologize for people who've heard it. My friend, his

1:06:54

brother worked on the whole COVID force in Los

1:06:56

Angeles. And they were closing outside dining because there

1:06:58

was a spike in cases. And he goes, but

1:07:01

there's no evidence that outside dining, you're going to

1:07:03

kill these businesses. She goes, it's about the optics.

1:07:06

So about the optics to

1:07:09

make a decision that kills businesses, like these

1:07:11

people are barely hanging on. They were only

1:07:13

able to serve people outside. I

1:07:15

mean, who knows how many bartenders and

1:07:17

waitresses were just fucked. Restaurant

1:07:19

owners fucked. Everybody got fucked. And

1:07:22

it was about the optics. That's just

1:07:24

dumb people. That person should

1:07:26

not have that position of power. There's no

1:07:28

fucking way. That person to make that kind

1:07:31

of a decision should have to debate a

1:07:33

champion of the restaurant industry, should have to

1:07:35

debate a champion of health, should have to

1:07:37

debate a champion who understands, like, how

1:07:41

is this stuff being transmitted? Is

1:07:43

it not being transmitted at all outside? Is that

1:07:45

real true? What is the

1:07:47

safety threshold of outside dining? And

1:07:50

have someone fucking talk about it. You

1:07:52

can't just wave a magic wand and

1:07:54

decide that everybody has to go home.

1:07:56

That's crazy. And so many people lost

1:07:58

decades of their lives. decades of

1:08:00

their lives work. And

1:08:02

it goes back to the importance of debate,

1:08:05

the importance of free speech. One

1:08:07

of the most dreadful

1:08:09

and terrible ideas that was

1:08:11

allowed to propagate, and I

1:08:14

saw smart people reiterating,

1:08:16

regurgitating constantly as words

1:08:18

of violence. Well, if

1:08:21

words of violence then logically it makes sense to

1:08:23

shut all of this down. Because

1:08:25

if you challenged me on something I say,

1:08:27

and you go, actually Francis, you're talking

1:08:29

crap, and I'm like, well that's violent,

1:08:32

then I need to be protected because we need to

1:08:34

be protected from physical violence. And

1:08:36

we've just allowed this idea to propagate so...

1:08:38

It's a crazy idea. So

1:08:41

nobody's ideas get challenged. We feel

1:08:43

under threat if people challenge us.

1:08:46

It's ridiculous. And we've come to this

1:08:49

point where you just see this stasis

1:08:51

because terrible ideas are

1:08:53

allowed to flourish without people going,

1:08:56

no, you can't become a woman. And then even

1:08:58

the people that are inside these groups that disagree

1:09:00

with it, they keep their mouth shut because they

1:09:02

don't want to be ostracized. They want to be

1:09:04

cast out of the kingdom. Nobody's

1:09:07

able to really fully express objective

1:09:09

opinions about a variety of subjects.

1:09:11

You have to adopt a predetermined

1:09:14

list of things that you agree

1:09:16

with. If you tell me

1:09:18

how you feel about abortion, I could almost entirely tell

1:09:20

you how you feel about guns most

1:09:22

of the time, like eight out of ten. That's

1:09:25

weird. It's all weird. And the thing is, well,

1:09:27

to your point, Francis, I feel like we've got

1:09:29

a point where it's become quite

1:09:31

hard to criticize people's ideas without

1:09:34

people thinking that you're criticizing

1:09:36

the person. I mean, it happened

1:09:38

with your interview with Tucker. Like Tucker said some

1:09:40

things that people didn't agree with, and I think

1:09:42

rightly, and they pointed out some of the gaps

1:09:45

in what he was saying. But

1:09:47

lots of people defended him on the basis

1:09:49

that he was being attacked personally, even though

1:09:51

people were simply disagreeing with the particular thing

1:09:53

that he said. What was that particularly... I

1:09:55

don't pay attention. After I release

1:09:57

things, I fucking... I

1:10:00

thought I'd look at the phone. We were talking about some wild

1:10:02

shit. I was like, this one's going to get crazy. I think

1:10:04

the evolutionary stuff got a lot of people's attention. Yes. That

1:10:07

got, well, my friend Brett Weinstein,

1:10:09

who's an actual evolutionary biologist. He

1:10:12

didn't like it. And Colin Wright, who's an

1:10:14

evolutionary biologist. I

1:10:16

didn't understand the science enough to argue it, unfortunately.

1:10:19

If Brett was in my position, it would have been much

1:10:21

better with that subject. I

1:10:24

think there's a... Tucker has

1:10:26

a very... I like him, first of all, a lot. He's

1:10:28

a very nice guy. I've got to hang out with him

1:10:30

a couple of times. I hung out with him at the UFC.

1:10:32

I had dinner with him with Lex, and then I brought him

1:10:34

on stage with Kill Tony. Didn't even know he was

1:10:36

going to go on there. And went out

1:10:38

and handled it amazingly. He's a good

1:10:40

guy. He's also

1:10:43

bitterly embattled and has been for a long

1:10:45

time, and I think that can make you

1:10:48

more aggressive or shittier about certain things.

1:10:51

And in that regard, he's handled himself

1:10:54

pretty well. He's pretty smart

1:10:56

about it. He doesn't use a computer. He doesn't

1:10:58

watch television. He has a phone.

1:11:00

He does everything, schedules everything through his phone, and that's

1:11:02

it. And he's managed to sort

1:11:04

of filter himself out. But he's

1:11:07

got a very religious bend to

1:11:09

a lot of the things that he believes. And

1:11:13

he's a smart guy. You're allowed to have that. But

1:11:16

he believes God created people, and

1:11:18

he has this belief that he operates from. And

1:11:22

that makes... The

1:11:25

universe is so crazy. The idea of God is not

1:11:28

that crazy to me. It's just

1:11:30

not. I don't think it's any more crazy than

1:11:32

anything. I think maybe the universe

1:11:34

is God. Maybe that's

1:11:36

what's going on. Maybe there's this constant

1:11:38

creative force that's so immense you can't

1:11:40

even possibly calculate it. And

1:11:43

that's God. And

1:11:46

he's got some ideas about

1:11:48

spiritual things that are

1:11:50

interesting. Like about good and evil

1:11:52

and these UAPs.

1:11:55

The UAPs being spiritual things. But

1:11:57

it seems like... With

1:12:00

all respect, I feel like that's what he

1:12:03

wants to think. Do you

1:12:05

know that he wants to think that they've always been here

1:12:07

and they're spiritual things? And

1:12:09

he might be right. But

1:12:11

it is also possible that

1:12:13

there's a life form that's

1:12:15

so advanced that it

1:12:17

can avoid detection anytime

1:12:20

it wants and then slowly

1:12:22

trickles out little bits of

1:12:24

information to us, whether it's

1:12:26

a crashed vehicle or letting

1:12:28

a vehicle be seen or

1:12:30

hovering over Phoenix. Whatever

1:12:34

it wants to do and then fades

1:12:36

away again and then every decade or so

1:12:38

as human beings evolve, it introduces more and

1:12:40

more to the landscape, which if you kind

1:12:42

of looked at it on a graph seems

1:12:45

to be the case. And oddly seems to

1:12:47

be the case that it's like primarily happening

1:12:49

in the United States. Like if you look

1:12:51

at the difference between the UFO sightings around

1:12:53

the world and UFO sightings in the United

1:12:56

States, we're locked in. We're locked

1:12:58

in. I said this to you last time,

1:13:00

I think. Yeah. When you

1:13:02

asked me what do I think of aliens, I was like, I

1:13:04

would be a lot more credible if

1:13:06

it wasn't all in North America. Also, as an

1:13:08

American, I have to say it's probably

1:13:11

because we're the shit. And

1:13:13

if I was an alien, what am I going

1:13:15

to do? Go to Czechoslovakia? Get the fuck out

1:13:17

of here. I'm going to go check out San

1:13:19

Francisco. Look at all the shit in the street.

1:13:21

Right. Look at all the needles. These people are

1:13:24

crazy. I think there's

1:13:26

probably both things going on. I

1:13:29

think there's probably some

1:13:32

sort of extra dimensional

1:13:35

possibility that I

1:13:37

think occurs during psychedelic drugs and

1:13:39

during certain states of altered consciousness

1:13:42

that I have a feeling you're

1:13:44

tuning into something that's not always

1:13:46

available, but probably is always there.

1:13:49

And then there's probably a physical element

1:13:51

of things coming here from somewhere else

1:13:54

because we do that. It just seems

1:13:56

so duh. Like allegedly we went

1:13:58

to the moon, but we. We definitely sent

1:14:00

rovers to Mars. We definitely sent satellites

1:14:03

into space to take incredible imagery of

1:14:05

Jupiter. We definitely do all that. Why

1:14:08

would we not think that another species would

1:14:10

do that? Especially if

1:14:12

they get to some position where they're

1:14:14

using some unique novel form of propulsion

1:14:16

that manipulates gravity and they don't even

1:14:18

have to worry about G-forces. They just,

1:14:20

whoosh, disappear places, which seems to be

1:14:22

like what they think these things are

1:14:24

doing. Have you heard of

1:14:26

that? There's a story about this Chinese

1:14:29

scientist that was working on

1:14:31

anti-gravity and she came

1:14:33

from China to the United States to work

1:14:35

on anti-gravity. She was working on some anti-gravity

1:14:37

propulsion system and then vanished. Like

1:14:41

probably went back to China. Yeah, I mean- Probably

1:14:44

went back to China and was like, this is what they

1:14:46

paid me to do. Yeah,

1:14:48

there's a lot of people who vanish in

1:14:50

China, that's the thing. But I don't think

1:14:52

she vanished from the United States. I think

1:14:54

she went back to China. Oh,

1:14:56

well, and took the secrets with her. I

1:14:58

think that's the worry, is that

1:15:01

this... See if you can find that lady's name. It's

1:15:04

a very interesting story. I was reading about it the

1:15:06

other day and I remember like someone... You guys are

1:15:08

perfect to talk about this. That

1:15:12

would be the ultimate thing that you'd have

1:15:14

to keep secret from another country. Because if

1:15:16

you have espionage, if you have people that

1:15:19

have infiltrated your universities, they certainly do. And

1:15:21

if you have people who have infiltrated

1:15:24

your military contractors,

1:15:26

then they certainly do. We do

1:15:28

it. I'm sure they do it. Oh,

1:15:30

they definitely do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the

1:15:32

southern border, the fact that it's as open as

1:15:34

it is, a lot of them are coming through

1:15:36

there. Of course. Yeah. But if

1:15:39

you're making something that is some sort of

1:15:41

a gravity propulsion system and you've

1:15:43

made a breakthrough, you're not

1:15:45

going to put that on wired.com. You're

1:15:49

not going to broadcast that on CNN. You're

1:15:51

not going to tell anybody that. Because

1:15:54

if the other countries find out, if

1:15:56

the other superpowers of China and Russia find

1:15:58

out that we have some... of a

1:16:00

gravity propulsion everyone's gonna die yeah

1:16:03

they're gonna steal all the information that makes sense

1:16:05

still solving the mystery

1:16:08

of Huntsville's brilliant anti-gravity scientist dr.

1:16:10

Ningling's son Ningli's son talks about

1:16:12

her mom's career and legacy along

1:16:15

with the internet's obsession with her

1:16:17

disappearance so she

1:16:19

when did she disappear

1:16:21

I she caught the

1:16:24

papers and 93

1:16:26

hold on right there stop right there in

1:16:29

the late 90s she claimed to have created

1:16:31

anti-gravity devices that were fully functional and this

1:16:33

was big news in both scientific journals and

1:16:35

mainstream mainstream press in 1997 dr. Lee

1:16:39

continued to expand on her

1:16:41

concept and conduct more experiments

1:16:43

she published papers describing the

1:16:45

anomalous anomalous weight changes in

1:16:47

objects suspected over a rotating

1:16:49

superconductor to say her work

1:16:53

referred to as taming gravity could change the

1:16:55

world is an understatement taming gravity would drastically

1:16:57

change the way we transport on every level

1:17:00

humans could travel the world at ease and

1:17:02

we could finally get our hands on those

1:17:04

sweet hoverboards from back to the future so

1:17:07

did she really do it so

1:17:09

what happened to her in 99 Lee

1:17:12

left you a age to start her own

1:17:14

company AC gravity and commercialized a device based

1:17:16

on her theories oh you fucked up lady

1:17:19

her colleagues obviously believed in

1:17:21

her work as a chair of UH

1:17:23

his physics department Larry Smalley also

1:17:26

departed the university to join their public record

1:17:28

show that in 2001 US Department of Defense

1:17:30

gave AC gravity a grant for $448,970 to

1:17:32

research the technology however these results were never

1:17:37

published in fact dr. Lee never

1:17:39

published anything again even

1:17:42

though the business license for AC gravity was updated

1:17:44

yearly through 2018 there's no record

1:17:46

of any further work done by the company Lee's

1:17:49

career after 2002 is a subject of

1:17:51

great mystery barely sociable's

1:17:53

research turned up a document showing that she

1:17:55

gave a presentation at the 2003 MITRE conference

1:17:59

titled called Measurability of AC

1:18:01

Gravity Fields, the MITRE

1:18:03

Corporation Challenges Federally Funded Research for Several

1:18:06

US Agencies at the Conference. She

1:18:12

presented along with a Redstone Arsenal

1:18:15

official from US Army Aviation Missile

1:18:17

Command, meaning that her research was

1:18:19

still being conducted up to that

1:18:21

point. So where did she

1:18:23

take off? When did she disappear? I think

1:18:25

she went to China. The guy at the

1:18:27

end that goes on, they don't, this is

1:18:29

a bunch of like, they're not really sure

1:18:31

and then in 2021, so it was like

1:18:33

two years ago, three years ago. Well look

1:18:35

at this though. I know a bitchery

1:18:38

popped up. No bitchery? On

1:18:40

a funeral home and just outside of

1:18:42

Birmingham where she was, where like this,

1:18:44

where she was. It

1:18:47

didn't say anything about her disappearance. No

1:18:50

bitchery? They say how she died? I

1:18:53

don't know. Check it. Was it

1:18:55

water torture? No, it was just,

1:18:57

I don't know, a bitchery. See? Wow.

1:19:00

That's a little, that's a little sus. There's more information

1:19:04

about like how she

1:19:06

would have conducted her

1:19:08

life. But

1:19:14

if you scroll back up, what I was going to read

1:19:16

a little bit more, there's something about her, right

1:19:19

there, a little bit higher, confirming her

1:19:21

well-being that she was still working with

1:19:23

the DOD but was unable to talk

1:19:25

about her work. So she's working with

1:19:27

the Department of Defense. He

1:19:29

also told Ventura that he was unable to get

1:19:31

a working email address or phone number for her.

1:19:34

Bro, they probably made a breakthrough and that's

1:19:36

probably what happens when you make a real

1:19:39

breakthrough. They probably give

1:19:41

you a very clear

1:19:43

indication of how this is going to go from

1:19:45

here on out. You're going to be completely isolated

1:19:47

from the rest of the world. There's

1:19:50

no way we can trust that you're going to

1:19:53

tell anybody about this. We're going to have to

1:19:55

fucking monitor everything you do and just you stop

1:19:57

publishing, you stop doing anything. But here's the thing.

1:20:00

Is that the wrong approach to take? Is

1:20:03

that the wrong approach to take when

1:20:05

you when somebody has created something that

1:20:07

could be such a monumental tool potentially

1:20:10

a weapon that an enemy or

1:20:13

Somebody you perceive to be an enemy could use

1:20:15

it against you. I don't think it's wrong approach

1:20:17

to take I mean, I think if you're especially

1:20:20

if you're dealing with someone that came over here

1:20:22

from China It's like where is she

1:20:24

going like keep an eye on that lady if

1:20:26

she really cracked it and she

1:20:28

cracked it with it What if she's sharing that's

1:20:30

the thing is like some of these drones that

1:20:33

they're seeing and that's what I've always assumed

1:20:35

that a lot of these things are especially

1:20:37

the The the

1:20:39

square within a sphere. It seems

1:20:42

here they keep finding She's

1:20:45

disappeared and gone back to China Said

1:20:48

Sephardi she was working with NASA and

1:20:50

the redstone arsenal But she disappeared for

1:20:53

several years now the people at the

1:20:55

Pentagon cannot reach her anymore She allegedly

1:20:57

back in China and the Chinese are

1:20:59

pouring money into similar experiments now. Uh-oh

1:21:02

That's why our intelligence guys are very interested

1:21:05

The most likely people to develop the

1:21:07

first anti-gravity propulsion technology are the Chinese.

1:21:10

That's very assuring Yes

1:21:14

crazy that's a crazy statement The

1:21:17

most when someone says that publicly go that

1:21:19

go back to that Sorry again The

1:21:21

most likely people to develop the first

1:21:23

anti-gravity propulsion technology are the Chinese the

1:21:25

fact that he's saying that If

1:21:29

you're saying that publicly that means they're probably

1:21:31

on it. Yeah, I Know

1:21:35

yeah, but if that lady really did crack something and

1:21:37

really was able to make things hover And

1:21:43

it was as far back as what 93 mm-hmm well

1:21:48

2004 was that big sighting commander David Fraver

1:21:50

when he found that thing that looked like

1:21:52

a tic-tac That was hovering

1:21:54

over the water and disappeared at an insane

1:21:57

rate of speed. They got video of this

1:21:59

thing different fighter jets saw it. They

1:22:02

said this thing just took off. No

1:22:05

visual means of propulsion. There's no

1:22:07

windows, no rockets. Just

1:22:10

gone. There's video of it. There's video

1:22:12

of this thing just moving at this insane rate of

1:22:14

speed that would turn human bodies into jello. I

1:22:17

think it's a drone. I think they probably had a few

1:22:19

of those. That's

1:22:21

why they're always occurring around military bases.

1:22:26

San Diego's filled with military. It's all military out

1:22:28

there. If they're off the coast, they're

1:22:31

near the Nimitz. There's

1:22:34

fucking all sorts of tests

1:22:36

and training things that they're running out there. That's what

1:22:38

they do. Of course, that's where

1:22:41

they're going to train their fucking drones too. Of

1:22:43

course, if you've got some

1:22:45

crazy high-tech thing and you want to see how

1:22:47

do the fighter jets see it, you

1:22:51

fucking don't tell them and you put it in the ocean

1:22:53

and then you say, hey, go fly over there. They

1:22:55

fly over there and they see this fucking thing that can

1:22:58

go from 50,000 feet above sea level

1:23:00

to zero in a second. What

1:23:03

are we watching? Man, it's so

1:23:05

crazy some of the stuff human beings are coming

1:23:07

up with. I don't know if you know this.

1:23:09

The Russians have a tsunami torpedo. Have you heard

1:23:11

about this? They start tsunamis? Yeah. Okay.

1:23:15

It's a tsunami torpedo. Jamie, would you? So

1:23:18

fun. Bye, Malibu. Say

1:23:20

bye. It's basically a nuclear torpedo.

1:23:22

It explodes underwater causing a

1:23:24

tsunami which can wash half the

1:23:26

United States off the ... Half the United

1:23:28

States? Well, if it hits the seaboard on both sides,

1:23:30

yeah. I mean, it would be harder for them obviously

1:23:32

from the east but from the west. Oh my God.

1:23:34

You can wash off all of California just like ...

1:23:38

Well, you could do that down here too then. You

1:23:40

could do it in Texas. You could do

1:23:42

it all over the country. All over

1:23:44

where the water is. Russian

1:23:46

TV news aid ... Oops. God

1:23:49

damn it. Russian

1:23:52

news agency TSS reported that

1:23:54

Russia had produced the first

1:23:56

set of nuclear-powered, very long-range

1:23:59

nuclear-armed torpedo. known as Poseidon.

1:24:01

Strategic experts are warning that the

1:24:03

Poseidon torpedoes would have the potential

1:24:05

to devastate a coastal city causing

1:24:08

radioactive floods and

1:24:10

Result in millions of deaths. Oh fuck

1:24:12

dude Wow,

1:24:14

look at this haunted. Whoo. I knew you'd like

1:24:16

this. I knew you'd like this. Outlets

1:24:20

have painted a hauntingly vivid picture

1:24:22

of a towering 1000

1:24:26

foot tall radioactive Suna. I know

1:24:28

you wrote tabloids. I know it.

1:24:30

Tabloid news, but but is that

1:24:32

possible? A thousand foot tall radioactive

1:24:34

tsunami violently crashing into British shores

1:24:36

pulverizing everything in its path and

1:24:38

transforming the whole cities

1:24:40

into barren lifeless lands isn't The

1:24:44

kind of power that they have now is What

1:24:48

how much more powerful are they than

1:24:50

fat man and little boy? It's a

1:24:52

lot, right? Yeah orders of magnitude I

1:24:54

think yeah, the hydrogen bomb is way

1:24:56

more powerful than the atomic bomb. So

1:24:58

if they have Like some top of

1:25:00

the food chain best of what we've

1:25:02

got today Nuclear weapon and

1:25:04

they detonated into the ocean. What does

1:25:07

that look like? Yeah, I'm

1:25:09

sure you've seen those those tests They did

1:25:11

when they blew up atomic bombs in the

1:25:13

ocean you get to see like how high

1:25:15

the water goes into the sky Did

1:25:23

they drop that in the water Does

1:25:25

that water? No, they're way up in the clouds

1:25:27

there. Oh my god. Look at that Isn't it

1:25:29

kind of ironic that the thing that might kill

1:25:31

us all looks like a mushroom but that's anything

1:25:34

they might save us all Imagine

1:25:38

if that's what God's trying to tell us and that's

1:25:41

not 61. So the only thing that's gonna keep you

1:25:43

from nuking each other Yeah mushrooms chow

1:25:46

down boys God's trying to tell

1:25:48

you that like through the most horrific

1:25:50

thing that human beings can do the

1:25:52

indiscriminate murder of hundreds of thousands of

1:25:54

people instantaneously, yeah Maybe

1:25:57

that's what we need to do. We need to actually

1:26:00

Basically just before everybody gets the power

1:26:02

you're gonna do a mushroom trip You're

1:26:04

gonna connect to the spirituality of the earth.

1:26:06

You're gonna connect with your fellow human beings

1:26:09

You're gonna understand that we are all one and then

1:26:11

you're gonna be allowed to do your job And then

1:26:13

you're gonna drop out of the race You

1:26:18

give them to buy me What

1:26:21

they can and can't do yeah, yeah, there's

1:26:23

certainly some strange battle that's going on right

1:26:26

now That I don't think most people were

1:26:28

aware was gonna ever take place. No, no,

1:26:30

I think that's part of what the problem is What is this? This

1:26:33

is 1961. Sar bomb. Yes Means

1:26:38

the king bomb king of all I

1:26:41

mean imagine being that guy in that plane going

1:26:43

I am getting cancer for sure For

1:26:46

sure. Did they even know they're getting cancer probably

1:26:48

not probably not No, do you know that all

1:26:51

the guys that worked on this one John Wayne

1:26:53

movie all wound up getting cancer? Because

1:26:55

they were filming it out in the Nevada

1:26:57

desert. Holy shit. Yeah, which one

1:26:59

was that was that? Oh I

1:27:03

don't know, but they did a lot of a lot

1:27:05

of you ever seen the video of the show all

1:27:07

the different tests that they Did in Nevada? No

1:27:11

What is radioactive that's why they

1:27:13

let them fucking put casinos there

1:27:15

the conqueror considered the worst film of

1:27:17

1950s Suffered from a toxic working

1:27:19

environment was filmed near a nuclear test site out

1:27:22

of the 220 cast and crew members 91 developed

1:27:24

cancer See

1:27:27

a 46 see Joe. That is a real

1:27:29

toxic working environment Because

1:27:31

someone said something you didn't like The

1:27:35

worst movie of his career. Yeah, it was more of

1:27:37

his career killed him wasn't even worth it. Yeah Can

1:27:40

you imagine that like that is

1:27:43

the worst at least let's say you

1:27:45

create this incredible movie a work of

1:27:47

art That will go down in history

1:27:49

for generations as an iconic piece of

1:27:52

cinematography and that happened It would still

1:27:54

be awful inexcusable, but you'd go but

1:27:56

look at what they created. Has

1:27:58

anyone ever seen the conqueror? I

1:28:01

think I want to see it now. Some of

1:28:03

those really old bad movies are amazing. Yeah, they're

1:28:05

amazing to watch the Gengis Khan movie Oh, is

1:28:07

that what it is? Yeah. Oh my god He

1:28:12

played Gengis Khan, it's terrible. Joe

1:28:14

Wayne played Gengis Khan. Bro. That

1:28:16

is cultural appropriation Just

1:28:20

like John Wayne Gengis

1:28:23

Khan talked like John Wayne

1:28:25

and his girlfriend was white

1:28:30

I mean she looks incredibly Mongolian. Yeah, did

1:28:32

they do anything to him with makeup?

1:28:34

It seems like they did. They must

1:28:36

have done That mustache. Yeah, the mustache.

1:28:38

Well, what about his face? Not really,

1:28:40

huh? No, they've just probably put a

1:28:42

little bit of color in there. I'm

1:28:44

Gengis Khan I'm

1:28:46

the fucking man. Look it was 1956. It was

1:28:48

a better time This

1:28:52

is the best time. I know I'm kidding. Don't

1:28:55

you think? I mean is all the complaining we

1:28:57

do Of course it is. It's a

1:28:59

great time to be alone. This is also a time where

1:29:01

you have There's a very

1:29:03

interesting things going on. Look how bad it looks It's

1:29:06

really corny. He looks Iranian. Yeah.

1:29:08

Well, that wasn't him there. Oh,

1:29:11

that was John. This is John This is John

1:29:14

And I see your treacherous head

1:29:16

is not safe on your shoulders Nor

1:29:19

your daughter in her bed and First

1:29:25

of all dudes back then just didn't work out

1:29:27

not you know But they

1:29:29

were seen as the epitome of masculinity crazy

1:29:32

look at that Yeah, that's

1:29:34

cuz no one knew any better. Mmm. I know

1:29:36

yeah, the vendor Holyfield was standing there Holding

1:29:38

that thing up you like damn vendor Holyfield in

1:29:40

his prime you like damn. That's what a man

1:29:42

looks like yeah bullshit Yeah But

1:29:55

you're so right Joe, I mean we can

1:29:57

complain and I think there's a lot of things to

1:29:59

fear about the future and there's a lot of shit

1:30:02

that's fucked up right now but at the same time

1:30:05

it's an amazing time to be alive and look at

1:30:07

the three of us what we do sit and chat shit

1:30:09

on the internet yeah and it's a great life yeah

1:30:11

it is a great life and it's

1:30:13

it's also uniquely

1:30:16

educational right look I've there's so many

1:30:18

things that I know that I would

1:30:21

have never known I've never been even

1:30:23

interested in knowing but because

1:30:25

I have this opportunity just to be

1:30:27

able to talk to people I've had

1:30:29

a total accidental education yeah and it's

1:30:31

also your listeners and your viewers as

1:30:33

well are getting that education as well

1:30:35

yeah how many people like men and women

1:30:37

grew up in a really you know poor

1:30:40

rural part of America all over the world

1:30:42

and they don't have access to a quality

1:30:44

of education because of whatever

1:30:46

reason all of a sudden

1:30:48

they can go online and whatever they're

1:30:50

interested they can find if they're interested

1:30:53

in astrophysics they can sit down and

1:30:55

listen to one of the greatest astrophysicists

1:30:57

in the world explain string theory whatever

1:30:59

it may be and they have access

1:31:02

to that information whereas before forget it

1:31:04

it doesn't matter how talented you were

1:31:06

if you didn't have access

1:31:08

to that information you're

1:31:10

done you're never gonna realize your talent yeah I

1:31:13

mean just imagine growing up in the 1950s or

1:31:16

when the John Wayne movie was made your your

1:31:18

access to information was so and people could lie

1:31:20

to you you had no idea there's no Google

1:31:22

someone just tells you some crazy story about their

1:31:24

past you have to believe it I mean

1:31:26

it was so easy I bet back then to be

1:31:28

like a con man right yeah there's trick people and

1:31:31

giving you money I'm actually a

1:31:33

prince and you just have

1:31:35

some crazy story and people like it's actually a prince

1:31:38

yeah think about this in medieval times if

1:31:40

you were just a normal person like a

1:31:42

peasant or whatever you probably never leave your

1:31:44

village yeah you probably never read a book

1:31:46

you probably the sum total

1:31:48

of knowledge that you have is

1:31:51

the equivalent of like two days at

1:31:53

school for us yeah that's how little

1:31:55

information people had yeah and you you

1:31:57

you're listening to mythology and

1:32:00

all superstitions and you're terrified of everything,

1:32:02

there's witch doctors and whoosh.

1:32:05

By the time you're dying,

1:32:08

you're just recognizing the hustle. By

1:32:10

the time you're, I mean if you're a 40 year

1:32:13

old man, you're just starting to realize, oh this is kind

1:32:16

of, I think this thing's rigged.

1:32:18

You know, it takes a long-ass time to

1:32:20

see how complicated, and then to have so

1:32:22

many interactions with people that you realize like

1:32:24

how sometimes people don't really say what they

1:32:27

think. They kind of say what

1:32:29

they're expected to say and they self-sense and you see

1:32:31

that and people are like, I can't talk to him

1:32:33

anymore. And you get an

1:32:36

education of human beings that it's

1:32:38

based on interactions. It takes forever

1:32:41

and everyone's so different. We all

1:32:43

assume that other people are gonna think the way we think

1:32:45

and they just fucking don't. They

1:32:47

don't and if you have this rigid

1:32:49

idea of how people should think about

1:32:52

things and you

1:32:54

encounter this wide variety

1:32:56

of different ways of thinking about things, it

1:32:58

makes you a little

1:33:00

more hesitant to cling on to your ideas.

1:33:03

Because I think too many people think of their

1:33:06

ideas as a part of them. They're just ideas.

1:33:08

You're you and who you are, the value

1:33:11

in you is your ability to not attach

1:33:13

to ideas. The ability to look at ideas

1:33:15

for whether even if you think they're amazing,

1:33:17

say why you think they're amazing, but they're

1:33:19

not a part of you. So don't argue

1:33:21

them like they're a part of you. Let

1:33:23

people have differing opinions on them and then

1:33:26

address those differing opinions in

1:33:28

a relaxed way. That can

1:33:30

be done instead of all this yelly,

1:33:32

shouty, childish bullshit that so

1:33:34

many people engage in. That just makes

1:33:36

people more tribal. It just makes people

1:33:38

and then they fucking dunk on each

1:33:40

other and back and forth. It's just

1:33:42

dumb. It's a dumb way for

1:33:45

smart people to behave. It's

1:33:47

what happens when you let your ego get

1:33:49

involved. When your ego is the most important

1:33:51

thing. When you think you are the most

1:33:53

important thing as you walk into any

1:33:55

room or you participate in any

1:33:57

conversation or interaction. And the reality is

1:34:00

you're not important. You're important in some

1:34:02

ways and to your family and whatever

1:34:04

else but in the grand scheme of

1:34:06

things, you just see these people

1:34:08

and the outrage and the anger they feel

1:34:11

because all of a sudden their

1:34:13

sense of self has been challenged and

1:34:15

they are not mentally or spiritually robust

1:34:17

enough to be able to push back

1:34:19

on that challenge or to be able

1:34:21

to accept that challenge. And

1:34:24

it creates this kind of, you

1:34:26

almost see it like this kind of mini ego

1:34:28

death where they just freak out and you go,

1:34:31

we're just having a conversation. Yeah, freak out

1:34:33

over an idea. Yeah. Well, this is what

1:34:35

I was saying earlier about we have to

1:34:38

be able to disagree with each other and

1:34:40

criticize other people's ideas and what they say

1:34:42

without thinking that it's about the person. You're

1:34:44

not attacking the person. You can disagree with

1:34:47

someone strongly. That's what I'm saying about RFK's

1:34:49

genes. We're

1:34:53

talking about clothing people, not the other

1:34:55

type. That's much more personal. Yeah. I

1:34:57

also think that men in particular, a

1:34:59

lot of men have a desire to

1:35:02

compete in things and if you're not

1:35:04

competing with yourself, like you're not running

1:35:06

and trying to make your time better

1:35:08

or working out or whatever the thing

1:35:10

that's difficult to do, if

1:35:13

you don't have one of those, then

1:35:15

you start using whatever your job is

1:35:17

or whatever your ideology is as your

1:35:19

way of competing and you try to

1:35:21

enforce it on people or come up

1:35:23

with better arguments or dunk on the

1:35:25

people that disagree or harshly

1:35:27

criticize them as a human being

1:35:29

because you have different opinions. Yeah.

1:35:31

I sometimes fall into that trap and something

1:35:33

I'm really trying to work on because like

1:35:36

whenever I watch you disagree with people, I

1:35:38

think it always makes me think

1:35:40

that that's a good way to do it

1:35:42

because you're always very careful, you're very respectful,

1:35:44

you're very calm about it. Well,

1:35:46

not always. I think you and Crowder of a

1:35:48

weed, that got pretty intense. But apart

1:35:50

from that, lots of times I've seen you disagree with

1:35:52

people and it's clear that you don't agree, but you're

1:35:54

just trying to explore the argument. You get better at

1:35:57

doing that. It's a skill. I'm really trying to learn

1:35:59

that for you. It's also

1:36:01

important to recognize how people

1:36:03

are taking in your words

1:36:05

and thoughts. Especially

1:36:08

when we're doing the kind of stuff that we do

1:36:10

where we're just kind of freeballing. You're

1:36:14

making a thing, right? You're having a conversation, but

1:36:17

you're also making a digestible piece of media. You're

1:36:19

making a thing. And the best way to make that

1:36:21

thing is to try to get the most understanding of

1:36:24

what this person is trying to say, even if you

1:36:26

disagree with them. So

1:36:28

I want to know why you – I don't want to just

1:36:30

know that you think this. I want to know why

1:36:32

you think this, and I'll let you go, even if

1:36:35

I disagree. I want to hear you. Even

1:36:37

if I disagree, sometimes I don't even have to challenge

1:36:39

you on it. I'm really interested, even

1:36:42

if I don't agree, I'm really interested

1:36:44

in how you come to your conclusions

1:36:46

and what other information do you take

1:36:48

into account. And what is your personality

1:36:50

like? Is this your identity? Are you

1:36:52

fighting for this? You

1:36:54

see this a lot with these really aggressive,

1:36:57

liberal men. It

1:36:59

seems to be they're stationed

1:37:01

in life. They're the watchmen

1:37:04

on the tower. There's this

1:37:06

aggressive – and it's generally

1:37:08

these weak, really weak, physically

1:37:10

weak, mentally weak men that

1:37:12

have adopted this aggressive stance like, finally,

1:37:14

they're the bullies now, and they're going

1:37:17

to go out. It's

1:37:19

interesting. So if you talk to

1:37:21

someone that has that sort of

1:37:23

a philosophy, if you just talk to

1:37:25

them about general life enough, it

1:37:27

sort of reveals itself, the

1:37:29

cracks and the way they think and the

1:37:32

lack of character and the lack of discipline

1:37:34

and, most importantly, the lack

1:37:37

of compassion. When

1:37:39

people disagree with someone and they hate them

1:37:41

as a human being because they have differing

1:37:43

ideas, instead of saying, I think

1:37:46

that if I talk to them, I

1:37:48

could give them my perspective and maybe

1:37:50

it would be enlightening or maybe we

1:37:52

would find common ground. No. It's

1:37:54

like hate them as a person. And

1:37:57

it's cherished. It's saluted

1:37:59

online. in the mental illness known

1:38:01

as social media, the mental illness factory,

1:38:04

these people are all engaging in this

1:38:06

back and forth. You see these people

1:38:08

that have finally found their competitive realm.

1:38:12

That flavor's a big part of why men

1:38:14

talk and behave that way. There's

1:38:17

an instinct to want to be good at

1:38:19

a thing and beat people at a thing,

1:38:22

whether it's chess or whether it's golf,

1:38:25

whatever it is, there's a thing. Maybe for you,

1:38:27

it's politics. For a lot of guys, I know

1:38:29

it's politics because I see them online. I

1:38:32

see what they're doing. I see the writing they're

1:38:34

doing. They're just fishing for the right words and

1:38:36

seeing the right things to try to dunk on

1:38:38

people. It's just their little competitive venture. It's

1:38:41

a fear-based response, I think, a lot of it.

1:38:43

It's something that I've tried to look at now.

1:38:45

When I see people get aggressive, when I see

1:38:47

people behave in a certain way,

1:38:49

I'm like, oh, you're scared. Yeah. You're

1:38:51

scared from the right to. Yeah. Oh, definitely.

1:38:54

Right-wing people that are very dismissive

1:38:57

of entire swaths of

1:39:00

people and culture and don't take

1:39:02

into consideration the nuance involved in,

1:39:04

say, crime-ridden areas and how those

1:39:07

things became that way in the

1:39:09

first place, all that pulled them

1:39:11

up by their bootstraps, bullshit, all

1:39:13

that no need for any social

1:39:15

safety net stuff, all that lack

1:39:18

of compassion, lack

1:39:20

of caring about people that

1:39:22

masquerades as conservatism. That's

1:39:25

just as gross. And there's a kind of

1:39:27

vocation that's happening on the right. They've got

1:39:29

their own conspiracies, their own little trigger points,

1:39:32

all of these ideas. Do they? What's

1:39:34

a big one? Well, I wrote

1:39:36

a piece actually when Tucker went to Moscow because

1:39:38

I thought that his conversation

1:39:42