What if there was a way to realise the subtle nuances in intolerance and ignorance? 

Join 2 brown girls one South African the other British, as they deep dive into experiences of racism and ignorance as multicultural women of color.

In this episode, we dive deep into the complex issue of racism and its subtle manifestations. Our guest, Bola, shares her personal experiences and reflections on growing up in the UK.

Racism becomes the ‘Norm’

Bola highlights how racism can be deeply ingrained in society, often going unnoticed or dismissed as the norm. She discusses the importance of education and awareness, acknowledging that as children, we may not have been fully aware of the racism around us. However, as we grow older, we start to realize the significance of racial issues and the need for education and understanding.

Breaking free from the cycle of Ignorance

The conversation delves into the sensitive topic of racial segregation in South Africa, where Hannah shares stories of maids being treated differently and the separation of people based on race. She emphasizes the importance of breaking free from such molds and expanding our perspectives to embrace diversity and different cultures.

Having the tough conversations with love

Bola and our host, Hannah, reflect on their own experiences and acknowledge the need for open dialogue and uncomfortable conversations about racism. They recognize the discomfort and defensiveness that often arise when discussing race, but emphasize the importance of facing these issues head-on.

Tune in to hear this thought-provoking discussion on the complexities of racism, the need for education and awareness, and the importance of embracing diversity. Let's keep the conversation going and strive for a more inclusive and understanding society.

"Racism is subtle and sometimes you do not realize or others do not realize they are being racist because they just see it as that's the way it is. And that's why I think it's complex and it's not so easy to define. Because it has made it so complex."

Bola, The Refreshingly Human Podcast, S7 E4