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1:09

and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your

1:11

host, Samantha Fay. And I'm Deb

1:13

Bowen. And on last week's

1:15

show, we discussed theories of what awaits

1:17

us on the other side and concluded

1:20

the show with a few examples of

1:22

near-death stories. Today we're

1:24

going to take a deeper dive

1:26

into the survival of consciousness by

1:28

looking at some fascinating other stories

1:30

and research. We ask you to

1:32

think about these questions. What

1:35

is consciousness and where does

1:37

your consciousness reside? Most

1:40

researchers define consciousness as awareness and identity,

1:42

meaning that you have an awareness of

1:44

who you are, where you are, and

1:47

what you're doing. And, you know, this

1:49

includes your personality and personal memories. Sounds

1:51

simple, right? But then

1:53

how can we explain the limitations

1:56

of our memories? The constructs of

1:58

our personality? How does this

2:00

simple definition of consciousness support

2:02

the vast evidence we have for

2:05

survival of consciousness after death? And

2:08

why is it even important to contemplate these

2:10

questions? Well, for

2:12

your own personal happiness. Check

2:15

this out, Deb. I found a

2:17

study that showed people who believe

2:19

that consciousness survives death are happier,

2:21

more peaceful, and have less illness.

2:24

Whereas people who believe that when you

2:26

die, that it shows over, they tend

2:28

to be more depressed and greedy

2:30

and materialistic. I can see that.

2:33

When I was in college working on

2:35

a psych degree, I took

2:37

a course entitled Psychology of Personality. And

2:39

the whole point of the course was

2:42

to try to answer

2:44

that question, what is personality? What

2:46

is consciousness? And of course, there's no

2:49

real answer. There are lots of theories to that.

2:52

And one of the things that came along

2:54

at the same time I was in that

2:56

course was an amazing book by a woman

2:58

named Candace Perk. I'm remembering

3:00

correctly, she won the Nobel

3:03

Prize for her research. But she

3:05

proved that we have opiate

3:07

receptors in our bodies, not

3:10

just in our brains. And

3:12

so the implications of that study is

3:15

that we don't just think with our

3:17

brains. We think with lots of

3:19

other pieces of ourselves. And therefore,

3:21

it is also possible that we

3:23

feel with other parts of our

3:25

bodies that we don't know about,

3:28

and that there's a whole realm

3:30

of connection among consciousness in

3:32

this lifetime and in the afterlife that we don't

3:34

begin to know about. And I just love that.

3:37

Yeah, I do too. And think about

3:39

it. Like if someone walks into a

3:41

room filled with Debra's and

3:43

they say, I'm looking for Deb Bowen, where

3:46

do you point to yourself? Probably

3:48

at your heart. Yeah, at your heart. You don't

3:51

point at your head, you point

3:53

at your heart. So where is our soul?

3:55

Where is our consciousness? Is it in the

3:57

brain? Is it in the heart? Is it

3:59

somewhere else? Is it non-local? It's

4:02

fascinating, isn't it? It is. Yeah.

4:05

Now, according to the Noetic Institute,

4:07

they've identified several categories we can

4:10

look at to try and prove that our

4:12

consciousness does indeed survive death. These

4:15

include evidence from a

4:17

medium, reincarnation, near-death experiences,

4:20

EVPs, electric voice phenomenon,

4:22

you know, like when you capture

4:24

disembodied voice on a recorder, deathbed

4:27

visions, apparitions or

4:29

ghost sightings, and after-death communication.

4:32

When examined together, these categories

4:34

help support a belief in

4:36

the survival of consciousness. Dr.

4:39

Sam Parnia, an intensive care

4:41

physician, recently led a team

4:44

to investigate what he calls the

4:46

hidden consciousness of death by

4:48

measuring electrical activity in the

4:50

brain when the heart stops and breathing

4:53

ceases. He told

4:55

CNN reporter Sandy Lamott, many people

4:57

report the same experience. Their

4:59

consciousness becomes heightened and more vivid. Their

5:02

thinking became sharper and clearer, all

5:05

while doctors like myself are trying to revive them and

5:07

think they're dead. They have a

5:09

sensation they've separated from the body and can see

5:11

and hear doctors and nurses, and they're able to

5:13

report what doctors were doing to them in a

5:16

360-degree way that's inexplicable.

5:20

Dr. Parnia talked about a patient named Aubrey Osteen

5:22

who was 80 years old at the time of

5:24

his heart attack in 2020. Osteen

5:27

said, I said to

5:29

the doctor, wait a minute here before y'all go

5:31

any further, give me some more anesthesia, you know?

5:34

Well, it took me a minute to realize I

5:36

wasn't in the same dimension they were in, so

5:38

they couldn't hear me. Osteen

5:40

then watched his body weave through

5:42

the rib cage and

5:44

float above the operating table. While

5:48

the surgical team cracked his chest, removed

5:50

the heart and began to repair the

5:52

damage. Soon he heard someone

5:54

say, kidneys. Both kidneys

5:56

shut down at the same time and I knew I

5:58

was gone, and that's what it was. went to

6:00

the next level. When I got up there, I

6:02

was in the presence of God, a powerful

6:04

presence, with light shining from behind

6:07

him. The light was brighter than

6:09

anything I've experienced here on Earth, but it

6:11

wasn't blinding. And there was the

6:13

sweetest angel that comforted me and told me,

6:15

relax, everything's going to be fine, and

6:18

that I was going to have to go back. I

6:21

know now that I was sent back to tell

6:23

others about my experience. Stories

6:25

like this fascinated Dr. Parnia, so

6:27

he participated in a research study

6:29

where teams of trained personnel in

6:32

25 hospitals across the

6:34

United States, the United Kingdom, and

6:36

Bulgaria followed doctors into rooms where

6:38

patients were coding or technically dead.

6:41

While doctors performed CPR, the

6:43

research team attached devices that

6:45

measured oxygen and electrical activity

6:47

to the dying person's head. The

6:50

average recitation attempt lasted between 23 and 26

6:52

minutes. However,

6:55

some doctors continued to perform CPR for

6:57

up to an hour. Brain

6:59

activity was measured at two to three

7:02

minute intervals when doctors had to stop

7:04

chest compressions or electric shocks to see

7:06

if the patient's heart would restart. Dr.

7:09

Parnia said, there was no movement,

7:11

it was a silence. That's when we

7:13

would take measurements to see what was happening. We

7:16

found the brains of people who were going through

7:18

death have flatlined, which is what you would expect.

7:21

But interestingly, even

7:23

up to an hour into the recitation,

7:25

we saw spikes, the emergence

7:27

of brain electrical activity,

7:30

the same as I have when talking

7:32

or deeply concentrating. Those spikes

7:35

included gamma, delta, theta,

7:37

alpha, and beta waves. So

7:41

the study took the recorded brain

7:43

signals and compared them with brain

7:45

signals done by other studies on

7:47

hallucinations, delusions, and illusions, and

7:50

found them to be very different. And

7:53

that's really important because so many

7:55

skeptics of this survival of consciousness

7:57

theory will say, oh, all

7:59

these NDs, are just hallucinations

8:01

caused by the dying brain. But

8:04

this study is showing that is

8:06

a completely different type of brain

8:08

response happening. Dr.

8:11

Pernia says, we were able to

8:13

conclude that the recalled experience of death

8:15

is real. It occurs with death and

8:17

there's a brain marker that we've defined.

8:20

These electrical signals are not being produced as

8:22

a trick of a dying brain, which is

8:24

what a lot of critics have said. So what

8:27

do you think about that? Well, you

8:29

know, of course, I've always believed this

8:31

idea. So this makes

8:34

perfect sense to me. I've

8:36

always believed that beyond the

8:39

physical aspect of

8:41

the dying process, when

8:43

there's an NDE going on, there's

8:45

something else that's happening, that there's

8:47

a reason for this event to

8:49

be occurring. Like the fellow

8:52

said with the angel who said, you got to go back,

8:54

you know, you're here to tell other people about this. I

8:57

believe so much that there's a piece of

8:59

the puzzle that we can't

9:02

quantify so much. That's an important

9:04

part of it. Yeah,

9:07

I do too. And I think it's

9:09

interesting that they're starting to attempt and

9:11

get really good evidence to prove this.

9:13

The other thing I find really interesting to have

9:16

is how there are a lot of people out

9:18

there. I mean, not us and not our listeners,

9:21

but there's a lot who aren't

9:23

interested in this at all. Like

9:25

if you're if you're at a party or a dinner

9:28

gathering and you ask people about Dr.

9:30

Raymond Moody or Dr. Bruce Gareson

9:32

or an NDE or

9:34

a shared dying experience, they're probably going

9:37

to look at you and go, I don't know those names.

9:39

What do you what are you talking about? That's

9:41

probably not true in my circle of friends, but I

9:44

understand what you're saying. It's true for a

9:46

lot of people. It really is.

9:49

I just wonder why everyone isn't more

9:51

interested in this. And these people who have these

9:53

NDEs and come back and tell their stories, I

9:56

just wish they were more widely known

9:58

and people were interested in it because Like

10:00

I mentioned at the beginning, studies show that

10:02

the more interested you are in this, the

10:04

happier you are, because it does give you

10:07

hope and faith and a life beyond this

10:09

one. Which I absolutely agree

10:11

with. And I think that a lot

10:13

of times, the naysayers

10:15

that I have known who have said, no, this

10:18

can't be real, are folks

10:20

who believe their way

10:22

of being is the only way there is. That's

10:25

true. And they're not willing to expand or change

10:27

or be flexible with that. All right,

10:29

Deb. I've started out this episode

10:31

with some pretty normal stuff, right?

10:33

Some research and a study and all

10:36

that good jazz. Are

10:38

you ready to dive into a really

10:40

bizarre case? Yes, sure.

10:42

Go right ahead. This will be fun. Okay. Get

10:45

ready, guys. Put your tin foil hats on. I

10:49

have a colander on my head. Go ahead. Okay,

10:51

good. This really bizarre case I'm about

10:53

to tell you about happened 100 years ago. And

10:58

it's based on a question that I've

11:00

always wondered, which is, where does your

11:02

consciousness go when you're

11:04

in a coma? Have you ever wondered

11:06

that? Oh, I sure have. I

11:09

have too. Like, what? Where

11:11

are you? Like, even when you're sleeping, where are

11:13

you? I mean, I wrote an entire book to

11:15

help me answer that question. I do

11:17

believe our consciousness travels when we're sleeping.

11:20

But I think we go somewhere else when we're

11:22

in a coma too. I had

11:24

a neighbor who was in a coma for

11:27

a good long while after a motorcycle accident.

11:29

And I asked him what he recalled of

11:31

that whole time he was in a coma.

11:33

And he said he was in his

11:36

childhood basement playroom with

11:38

his deceased uncle playing video games.

11:41

Wow. Isn't that interesting? And I

11:43

wonder, like, was he there? Or

11:45

was that a hallucination that his brain developed to

11:47

keep him company while he was in a coma?

11:50

I don't know. Okay. My

11:52

story is about Paul Dienak, who

11:54

was a Swiss Austrian teacher, who

11:57

fell into a coma for an entire year.

12:00

in 1921. Now

12:02

Paul dealt with a rare condition called

12:05

encephalitis lethargica, a neurological disease

12:07

that develops an immune system

12:10

response to overloaded neurons. This

12:13

caused him to enter into deep sleep states for

12:15

around 15 to 30 minutes. But in 1921, he

12:17

slipped into the sleep state for a

12:22

whole year. During

12:24

his time while he languished in a coma

12:26

at a hospital in Geneva, he

12:28

says he lived another life as a

12:30

man named Andrew Northam who lived

12:33

in the year 3906. All right, now before we

12:37

dive further into his story, it's important

12:39

to mention one fact. Paul never tried

12:41

to sell his story or profit from

12:44

it in any way. Upon

12:46

waking from his coma, he traveled

12:48

to Greece to teach French and

12:50

German where he befriended a student

12:52

named George Papahades. He left

12:55

George his diary telling him to translate it

12:57

into Greek as a way of furthering his

12:59

studies. When George

13:02

sat down to start doing this, he thought

13:04

he was translating a science fiction novel

13:06

as he read about flying

13:08

vehicles, aliens visiting our planet,

13:10

and an upcoming nuclear war

13:12

until he realized this was Paul's

13:15

story of his own experiences. So

13:18

I just think that's important to note. He

13:21

never told anyone about his incredible

13:23

experience. He simply recorded it all

13:26

in his diary and then left

13:28

that to his student. Okay,

13:31

so let's look at what he says happened

13:33

to him while he was in that coma.

13:35

Peter claims he awoke in a very different

13:37

location and a very different body. The

13:40

hospital looked different too and the

13:42

medical teams surrounding him were speaking in a

13:44

language he'd never heard, which

13:46

is kind of unusual because remember

13:49

he's a language teacher. He was

13:51

fluent in German, Greek, French, Swedish,

13:53

and English, but he can't

13:55

make out what language they're speaking other than

13:57

a few words that sound like English and

13:59

so. that sound like Swedish. But

14:02

everyone around him kept calling him Andrew

14:04

Northam. Who was this Andrew person? He

14:07

kept trying to ask them, but no one could understand him.

14:10

Finally, a doctor who spoke a little German attempted

14:12

to speak to Peter in broken German. And

14:16

he told Peter, yeah, you're Andrew Northam, a

14:18

well-respected physics professor who had an

14:20

accident. The doctor then held up

14:23

a mirror, and Peter was shocked to see

14:25

a different man staring back at his reflection.

14:28

Peter had a breakdown, which I

14:30

think any of us would. He

14:32

found that he just could not stop crying.

14:34

He thought he was either dead or had

14:36

completely lost his mind. And so he

14:39

cried out, I'm just a simple man

14:41

from Switzerland. And he noticed that there was

14:43

like this hush around the room.

14:45

All the doctors reacted visibly to the

14:48

mention of Switzerland. The doctor

14:50

asked him what year he thought

14:52

it was. And Peter said, it's 1922. The

14:55

doctor whose book Broken German gently tells Peter

14:57

that the year is 3,906. Peter doesn't

15:02

believe him. He leaps out of bed

15:04

and stares out the window. And he writes in his

15:07

diary, it was neither gold nor gems that

15:09

he saw like in fairy tales that amazed

15:11

me. Everything there was

15:14

made of a beautiful type of

15:16

crystal, dressed in perfect combinations of

15:18

pastel colors, sky blue, green, white

15:20

and red. Everything from

15:23

the tables and chairs to the stools

15:25

and the scenes gave you the impression

15:27

of colorless metal on which a soft

15:29

light flowed incessantly in harmonic waves. Everything

15:32

was bright and clear. Even the

15:34

flower pots and the crystal blooming springs of

15:36

the flowers. But when

15:38

his eyes focused and settled on the tall

15:41

skyscrapers and the flying vehicles, yeah,

15:44

that's when he fainted. He

15:46

awoke three days later and was led down

15:48

a long corridor to meet with two men

15:51

called Electors. At first

15:53

Peter thinks they're priests, but he's

15:55

told they're just like wise men.

15:57

The Electors listen to Peter's story and

15:59

ask him. many questions before telling

16:01

him that they believe him. They

16:03

teach him about a concept called a

16:05

consciousness shift, where someone's

16:07

mind or soul can be transported

16:09

to another time and person. They

16:12

tell Peter they believe this is what's happening to

16:14

him. They tell him

16:16

that when Andrew, the body Peter is

16:18

occupying, was in the accident, he was

16:20

clinically dead for 15 minutes. And

16:23

they think that's when this consciousness shift happened.

16:26

They also tell him that time isn't linear.

16:29

The electors explain that our consciousness

16:31

is alive and connected to everything

16:33

and everyone. And this includes

16:36

the past, present, and future. They

16:38

talk to him about the relativity of time

16:40

and the potential existence of simultaneous

16:42

time intervals. Here's

16:45

something strange. In this new time and

16:47

body, Peter didn't need to sleep. He

16:50

would stay up constantly learning the

16:52

new language and playing on a

16:55

small handheld device called a Regan

16:57

Schwaga. He said this device had

16:59

sound, moving 3D images, music,

17:01

and narration. In short, it sounds a

17:03

lot like an iPhone or an iPad.

17:07

This is how he describes it in his diary, a

17:10

type of narration that consists of

17:12

simultaneous combination of sight and sound,

17:14

which you do not even need

17:16

to read. A voice

17:19

narrates them and you see pictures come to

17:21

life before you. Peter wanted

17:23

to study everything he could about the past.

17:25

He wanted to know what was going to happen should

17:28

he ever make it back to his own time. And

17:30

the doctors encouraged him to do this with

17:32

one exception. They told him he could not

17:34

study the 20th century. They

17:37

didn't want him to be able to change anything if he

17:39

was able to make it back. Then

17:41

the electors call one of Andrew's friends to

17:43

come and meet Peter. His name

17:46

is Stephen. The electors hope that

17:48

if Stephen can help Andrew remember his own

17:50

memories, then Peter's consciousness would be sent

17:52

back to his own time. Stephen

17:55

examines Peter's handwriting and says it's not

17:58

anything like his friend Andrew's. He

18:00

said, the man I see in front of me

18:02

is indeed Andrew Northam, but by his

18:05

accent, the tone of his voice, and even the

18:07

way he expresses himself and looks at me, I

18:10

can tell it's not him. So

18:13

Stenson begins visiting Peter every day to help

18:16

him. And he does study a lot

18:18

about the past or what you and I

18:20

would call the future. And he learns

18:22

a couple of things. In 2204,

18:25

we colonize mares. Six

18:28

years later, 20 million people are living

18:30

on Mars. In

18:32

2265, a natural

18:34

catastrophe occurs on Mars and it

18:37

wipes out the whole colony. In

18:41

2309, there's a medium-sized nuclear war that

18:43

destroys most of Europe. Only

18:46

the Baltic and the Scandinavian countries

18:48

survived, leading to a global war

18:50

that lasts 80 years and

18:52

wipes out most of the human population. In

18:56

2396, there's a new world government, which leads to 200 years

18:58

of resistance. You

19:03

can imagine, right? Because nobody wants any

19:06

government, never mind one government ruling the

19:08

entire world. But

19:10

a lot of things start to shift

19:12

out of this. Higher offices are now

19:14

held by philosophers and scientists rather than

19:16

politicians. In 2823,

19:19

there's a new economic

19:21

system that's developed based

19:23

on global adequacy, which is when

19:25

people start working in different ways.

19:28

At first, they work for 40 years with

19:30

all their needs met by the global community.

19:33

This eventually shifts into a system where

19:35

you only work for two years. That's

19:38

right, two years. Children are

19:41

educated until they're 17, then

19:43

they work really hard for two years and they

19:46

retire. No money is used. Arts

19:48

and sciences are esteemed over things

19:50

like capitalism and competition. And

19:53

I know you guys are thinking, well, maybe Peter's

19:55

writing this is like a subliminal

19:58

manual to encourage people to

20:01

choose socialism, but that's

20:03

not it at all. He learns about a

20:05

shift that starts happening to the human brain

20:07

around the year 3000, which

20:10

leads to a new sense organ

20:13

developing. It allows people to

20:15

have instant enlightenment or spiritual

20:17

understanding. It was like a

20:19

light switch being turned on. Now,

20:21

at first when this happened, some people

20:24

would, well, die after

20:26

this. They would have a heart attack by

20:28

the overwhelming feelings of unconditional pure

20:30

love. But eventually humanity

20:32

got used to this and

20:34

it became a beautiful new

20:36

society. Selfishness in the time

20:39

that Peter slash Andrew are living

20:41

in the future was studied as

20:43

an ancient tragedy of bygone days.

20:46

Crime was non-existent. There was

20:48

no violence. So what

20:50

do you think so far? I just want to pause

20:52

and get your input from this story. You

20:55

know, the skeptic in me, and I can imagine

20:57

some of our listeners and other folks would think

21:00

this is great science fiction. How

21:03

nice to see science fiction that

21:05

is not dystopian. And

21:07

this is not, this is lovely. So

21:09

that would be my initial thought

21:12

to this. And then I think, oh,

21:15

how wonderful this would be. Wouldn't this be

21:17

great that it were true? And

21:20

wouldn't it be nice if it happened more quickly than

21:22

however many? I can't do the math,

21:24

but more than a thousand years from now. Yeah,

21:26

a long, long time from now. One

21:28

thing he does mention, or I should

21:31

say Stefan tells Peter slash Andrew,

21:34

is that off-planet beings do

21:36

visit and they

21:38

do watch us and all of that.

21:41

But he said they prefer to keep

21:43

their distance and always have. And

21:45

they just want to study us. And they try

21:47

to intervene to prevent, you know,

21:49

things like nuclear wars, which clearly

21:51

they weren't successful at with the

21:54

one that Peter mentioned happening in 2309. But I

21:56

thought that was

21:59

interesting. Yeah. Now,

22:02

during this time, Peter dates a woman

22:04

named Sylvia, who he believes is the

22:06

reincarnated soul of his true love Anna.

22:09

Finally, one night he closes his

22:11

eyes and sleeps. So,

22:14

as I mentioned, when he would stay up

22:16

all night playing on the iPad-type device learning

22:18

the new language because he couldn't sleep during

22:20

this entire year, can you imagine not being

22:23

able to sleep? He does write

22:25

in his diary that he would

22:27

stay in the hospital just flipping

22:29

through this iPad thing, learning

22:31

about his new time and place. And

22:34

he said when the sun came up in the morning,

22:36

he felt completely refreshed. He did not need sleep. But

22:39

one night as the year comes to a close,

22:42

he does feel his eyes getting very, very

22:45

heavy and he finally falls asleep. And

22:47

when he wakes up, he's back in his

22:49

body and in his own time. Now,

22:52

you can read the full diary in a book that

22:54

has been translated into English. It's

22:57

called The Chronicles of the Future.

22:59

And I think it's just a really

23:02

interesting story to contemplate of

23:04

where did he go? Did he really

23:07

go into the future? Now, clearly, we

23:09

won't be able to prove any part

23:11

of his story, as Deb said, for

23:13

about a thousand years. But

23:15

another aspect of the story I find interesting

23:18

is his student who was

23:20

gifted this diary or bequeathed this

23:22

diary and tasked with translating it

23:25

and getting it published was a very,

23:27

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23:29

Greece. He was a lawyer. He sat

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23:34

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23:38

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back. We've been discussing what

27:20

strange experiences like NDE's and

27:22

Paul D'Nac's story can tell us

27:24

about survival of consciousness. Many

27:27

scientists support an idea called filter

27:29

theory, which is really complicated.

27:31

But basically it means that the

27:34

brain has to filter out all

27:36

sorts of information, stimuli, and responses

27:38

coming at us every day. You

27:41

can check out a show we did on the

27:43

Varticular Activating System and how to program your brain

27:45

to manifest for you, which

27:47

aired on November 17th, 2019.

27:50

And I'll link it in the show notes. But

27:53

basically the, that show talks

27:55

about how our brain filters out

27:57

all sorts of other information. information

28:00

that's not important to us and

28:02

only delivers to our brain, to

28:05

our conscious mind information and stimuli

28:07

that we need to know for

28:09

ourselves. That's

28:12

why one of the best examples of how this

28:14

works is you can be in a crowded mall

28:16

or a bar or an airport and one person

28:19

will call out your name. Even

28:21

though there's thousands of voices and humming and

28:23

noises going on around you, you will hear

28:25

your name being called. That's

28:27

the reticular activating system. But

28:30

this idea of a brain

28:32

filtering theory to support the

28:34

premise of a non-local consciousness

28:36

is much deeper than the

28:38

reticular activating system. You

28:40

might have seen, for example, the famous study

28:43

where students are shown a video of two

28:45

teams throwing a ball back and forth. The

28:48

students are asked if they saw anything unusual. I'll

28:51

say no until it's pointed out that a

28:53

man dressed in a gorilla suit walks across

28:55

the court during the ballgame. When

28:57

the students watch the video again, they all

29:00

see the gorilla. This is

29:02

a classic example of brain filtering. And

29:05

I can remember being in a psychology

29:07

class and our teacher showing us this video

29:09

and he didn't tell us what we were

29:11

going to see. He just said, watch this.

29:14

It was like a two minute video,

29:16

if that. Watch this video and write

29:18

down what you see. And we all wrote down the

29:21

people we saw, the ball being thrown

29:23

back and forth, the court. And

29:26

we all shared what we saw. And he said, no one

29:29

saw the guy dressed in the gorilla suit. And we

29:31

thought he was just playing a joke on

29:33

us, plays it back. And sure enough,

29:35

there it is in the background. So

29:39

it's mind blowing until you experience it again.

29:41

But the brain really does filter

29:43

out a lot of information that it

29:45

feels we don't need. William

29:48

James, considered the father of

29:50

psychology, said that the brain

29:52

filters out our access to much of

29:54

consciousness. He said the brain acts

29:56

as a partial barrier and gives us only

29:58

the surface of what is possible. for us

30:00

to perceive. Studies have

30:02

shown that when the brain is inactive or

30:05

minimally active, like in near-death

30:07

experiences, energy healing,

30:09

hypnosis, or deep meditative states,

30:11

the filter becomes thinner, and

30:14

we can experience the expanded consciousness that

30:16

is usually blocked. This

30:19

means that the brain does not house

30:21

consciousness. Our conscious is

30:23

not rooted in the brain or created

30:26

or controlled by the brain. Our

30:29

consciousness exists outside of us and inside

30:31

of us, but wholly separate from the

30:33

brain. The brain merely

30:36

acts as a micromanager, selecting

30:38

and filtering out experiences that

30:40

are directly important to us. All

30:43

possibilities exist simultaneously, and

30:46

our brain simply selects the one

30:48

that is most in alignment with

30:51

our inner world, our thoughts,

30:53

beliefs, and expectations. So

30:57

one of the studies I read to help me understand this,

31:00

one of the researchers said, if

31:03

you handed a pioneer an iPhone

31:06

and said you can use this device to call

31:08

someone, they would probably take

31:10

that iPhone apart looking

31:14

for the person that was speaking

31:16

through that iPhone device,

31:19

but it's not there. It's just a transmitter. And

31:22

the researcher was trying to say, it's

31:24

the same thing, you can't dissect the

31:26

brain and find consciousness because the brain

31:29

is simply a transmitter for consciousness. And

31:32

it made me think of that really funny story I've

31:34

told before of when we

31:36

had this app on our phone,

31:40

what was it called? I think you had it at 1.2, TAP. The

31:43

ghost recorder app was different. Oh yeah, I

31:45

did. Where it would

31:47

scan radio frequencies. And

31:49

I'm sitting around the dinner table at my

31:51

sister's house and I'm showing them this thing.

31:55

And my mom says, well, let's

31:57

see if we can talk to Maggie, my

31:59

former mother. in law who my mother loved just

32:01

as much as I did. And

32:03

so we all said, Maggie, are you there? And

32:06

we heard it beep

32:08

through and it went, Michael, and

32:10

then it scanned again, because it scans all

32:12

the different frequencies. And it said Robert, and

32:14

those are the names of her two sons.

32:17

And my mom grabbed the phone and she

32:19

stared into the app and she goes, Maggie,

32:22

are you there? Are you happy? What's it

32:24

like? And she starts trying to talk to

32:26

Maggie, not realizing that

32:28

the app was just a transmitter

32:30

of radio frequencies. And

32:32

the belief or premise or idea is

32:35

that our loved ones on the

32:37

other side can kind of pull

32:39

from those radio frequencies being transmitted

32:41

and whole different words that will

32:43

help communicate with us. I

32:46

think that's kind of how we look

32:48

at our consciousness, that it's inside of

32:50

our brain. But these studies are showing

32:52

it's not, you know, Samantha, when I

32:54

had that app on my phone, I got

32:57

rid of it, because no matter what I did,

32:59

where I was, how I was working with it,

33:01

who was with me, what the

33:04

most what the app said was,

33:06

Larry, Larry, who is

33:09

Larry? I have no idea who

33:11

Larry was. That is

33:13

so wild. I remember Dale and I were

33:15

working with it one night. And

33:17

that's mostly what we could get it to say it

33:19

was really bizarre, just a

33:22

totally strange thing. But, you know,

33:24

as you're talking about this notion

33:26

of where consciousness resides.

33:29

And as I said, with that book with with Candace Perkin,

33:32

you'll remember to put that in the show notes too, that

33:34

would be great. If you

33:36

if you think about that, I

33:38

think that one of the things we're

33:40

learning and science is certainly learning is

33:42

that we have ways

33:45

of inputting

33:47

and exporting information

33:50

far greater than what our

33:52

brain can do. Our

33:54

bodies do

33:57

the work as well. Our emotions

33:59

do. I just think

34:01

it's a fascinating idea to look

34:03

at how consciousness is

34:06

not just within us, but

34:08

with everything around us. I mean, plants

34:10

have consciousness, for example. Exactly.

34:13

I will put the book in the show

34:15

notes. It's called Molecules of Emotion, the Science

34:18

Behind Mind-Body Medicine. That's it, by

34:20

Candace Perk. Okay, perfect.

34:23

I'll remember to put that in there, too. If

34:27

you can think about how our

34:29

brain sees, this has always fascinated

34:31

me to have that we're only

34:33

to see certain

34:36

things in a very specific visible light

34:38

spectrum that ranges from violet light to

34:40

red light. I've

34:43

always wondered what's beyond those colors.

34:46

Remember in that documentary, What the Bleak Did

34:48

We Know? And it

34:50

talked about how in Socrates'

34:52

time, we couldn't see the

34:54

color blue, that they didn't describe the ocean as

34:56

being blue. Yes, I do

34:58

remember that. Because we had to develop

35:01

the capacity to see blue. And

35:03

they couldn't see Columbus' ship on

35:06

the water, remember that scene? Yes, yes.

35:08

Because there was no such thing as a ship like that. Right.

35:11

And so they just couldn't see it because

35:13

the brain was filtering it out because it

35:15

had nothing to connect it to. I've

35:19

always thought about that. And what is all

35:21

around us right now, right now, as

35:24

you're listening to this, that you can't

35:26

see? Because your brain's like, no, that

35:28

does not make sense. And that's

35:30

not going to help him or her

35:32

right now. So we're not going to transmit

35:34

that. We can only hear sounds between 20 hertz and

35:36

20,000 hertz or 10 octaves. Again,

35:40

what exists below and beyond this

35:43

range? Check out this

35:45

quote by Nikola Tesla. He said, my

35:47

brain is only a receiver. In

35:50

the universe, there is a core from

35:52

which we obtain knowledge, strength, and inspiration.

35:55

I have not penetrated into the secrets of

35:57

this core, but I know that it exists.

36:01

And Aldous Huxley wrote, mind at

36:03

large has to be funneled to

36:05

the reducing valve of the brain

36:07

and nervous system. What comes

36:09

out at the other end is immediately

36:11

trickle of the kind of consciousness,

36:13

which will help us to stay alive

36:16

on the surface of this particular planet.

36:19

And Dr. Natalie Dyer writes, this

36:21

filtering mechanism can be altered, allowing

36:24

an experience of other aspects of

36:26

reality not normally perceived. This

36:29

alteration may be occurring

36:31

during mystical experiences, psychedelic

36:33

experiences, mediumship, and other

36:35

psychical phenomena. Perhaps

36:37

we are also connected

36:39

non-locally through the one

36:41

mind or mind at large, re-emerging

36:44

with it upon death. We

36:46

know that the brain is constantly

36:49

filtering information, much of which never

36:51

reaches our awareness. Information

36:53

from both our external environment and

36:55

internal mental environment is filtered,

36:58

meaning we are only ever aware of

37:00

a very small portion of reality at

37:02

any given moment. If

37:04

we think of the brain as a filter

37:06

for consciousness, we can change the dial and

37:09

tap into information normally outside

37:11

of our own internal database.

37:14

This is the theory for

37:16

how psi abilities occur. That

37:19

is just so fascinating to think about,

37:21

isn't it? It really is.

37:23

And it just makes you wonder, you

37:27

know, how much is out there that

37:29

we aren't seeing or perceiving? And

37:34

how long will it take for

37:36

most of us to get on board with

37:38

this idea that our consciousness

37:40

exists within and around and outside of

37:43

us, and it does indeed survive

37:45

death? Because I think it's really important

37:47

to get behind this

37:49

idea, because then it will

37:51

help us become cognizant of our

37:54

own form of immortality, but

37:56

also our interconnectedness to each

37:58

other and all that. is. And

38:01

that I think will help

38:03

fill that missing piece. You know

38:05

how people always talk about like, Oh, I feel like

38:07

there's something missing, or I feel like I'm searching

38:09

for something outside of myself. And everyone, all

38:11

the mystics and gurus and teachers through the

38:14

ages have said it's within it really is

38:16

within it's within and without because we're

38:18

swimming in it. It's like a

38:21

wave telling his other wave friends, I

38:23

miss water. When really the

38:25

wave is water, and

38:27

everything the wave needs is within and

38:29

around him. You know, when

38:32

I when I think about the idea

38:34

that we are the wave, we are swimming

38:36

in it, that's, I think, one

38:38

of the difficulties is that we

38:40

are so immersed, really,

38:43

in these concepts that we

38:45

can't telescope out and

38:48

observe them very well. I

38:50

think that's a part of the issue that

38:52

we as humans face, is that

38:55

it's, it's so big, and yet it's so

38:57

much a part of us, that

38:59

we don't conceptualize it well at

39:02

all. And because it's not something

39:04

that we have been taught in

39:06

some kind of structured, academic kind

39:08

of way, we either denounce it,

39:11

or ridicule it, or deny

39:14

it, or are such skeptics

39:16

about it, rather than saying,

39:18

gosh, isn't this a really

39:20

cool possibility? Yeah,

39:22

and what I think is a

39:24

really fascinating possibility, if you start to

39:27

study this, especially

39:29

if you look at the the Noetic

39:31

Research Institute that I talked about, or

39:33

Rine, or Dr. Natalie Dyer, or Dean

39:35

Radin's work, a lot of

39:38

them are saying that you can, you

39:40

can work on this filter idea

39:43

of your brain through consciously

39:46

strengthening your, your right

39:48

brain. So most of our

39:51

life is ruled by our left

39:53

brain, logical, analytical thinking, but

39:55

it's our right brain that helps to

39:58

expand this filter so that that it's not

40:00

so narrow and that we aren't filtering out

40:02

all of these things. And

40:04

I wonder if that's why, you know,

40:07

those of us who do have

40:09

more psi experiences, as

40:12

kids, we were more naturally

40:15

meditative or more on our own

40:18

or observers or going off into

40:20

our own worlds through books or

40:22

drawing or tinkering with

40:24

Legos or Lincoln logs or what have

40:26

you. I wonder if we

40:28

were priming the pump, so to speak,

40:30

you know, when we talked, Dr. Huxley

40:32

talked about the reducing valve in our

40:35

brain. I wonder if those of

40:37

us who are interested in these things and

40:39

listen to podcasts like ours,

40:41

it's because our reducing valve isn't

40:44

maybe as narrow as the other

40:46

persons next to us because we

40:48

were encouraged to expand

40:51

our right brain or

40:53

we had to, like in my, in my

40:55

experience, I was encouraged. To

40:57

be creative and imaginative. But I also

40:59

felt like I had no choice. Like

41:01

I, I always felt like any

41:04

moments in time I had at school

41:06

or on the playground where I could

41:08

kind of zone out or tuck into

41:11

a book, I always relish those times

41:13

and would, and would look forward to

41:15

them. You know,

41:17

Samantha, I haven't been for a right

41:19

good while. I confess to the Noetic

41:21

Sciences website, but I used to go

41:23

frequently and they had a whole section of

41:26

side games you could play to

41:28

work on this for yourself. You

41:31

know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

41:34

I think those are incredibly helpful. I think

41:36

everyone should do it because you know, psychic

41:38

ability, we've said many times is like a

41:41

muscle and you do have to strengthen it

41:43

and I think that's great too. Um,

41:46

but you know, Dr. Natalie Dyer

41:48

was saying getting out in

41:50

nature more meditating, uh, twice

41:52

a day. If you can try to meditate for a little bit

41:55

in the morning, a little bit at night, but

41:57

just daydreaming, just letting your mind.

42:00

is also incredibly helpful for expanding

42:02

the silt of our brain. I did want

42:05

to mention since you know

42:07

last week we talked a lot about near-death

42:09

experiences I did want to

42:11

mention some books and I will I'll put

42:13

these in the show notes too that

42:15

listeners might really like. Dr.

42:19

Bruce Grayson who we mentioned

42:21

last week has a great book called After. Dr.

42:25

Jeffrey Long and Paul Perry

42:27

have a book called Evidence

42:29

of the Afterlife. There's a

42:31

really fascinating book by Rajiv

42:33

Party called Dying to Wake Up, a

42:36

doctor's voyage into the afterlife and

42:38

the wisdom he brought back and

42:41

I might actually want to do a whole show

42:43

on his book because he

42:45

talks about being this very materialistic doctor.

42:48

He had the giant house and the

42:50

Hummer and the Porsche and you know all

42:53

the fancy stuff you're supposed to have when

42:55

you're an amazing heart surgeon that

42:57

he was and he had a pain clinic and he

42:59

got addicted to pain pills

43:01

through you know the access he had

43:03

in his pain clinic and

43:06

he had a prostate cancer that

43:09

led to incontinence and so he had

43:11

to have a device implanted

43:14

in him this caused an infection that's

43:16

how he died and when

43:18

he died he was met by his father

43:21

who was kind of like his tour guide and

43:24

he talks in the book about how he and

43:26

his father had a very difficult relationship and this

43:28

of course was healed in this near-death

43:30

experience and the father introduced

43:33

him to two angels Archangel

43:35

Michael and Archangel Raphael and

43:38

he was able to witness

43:40

several of his past lives and

43:42

there's a whole section in the book tab where he

43:45

talks about how there is no

43:47

time and so

43:49

he's witnesses a past life where he

43:51

was you know kind of mean he was

43:54

leading a bunch of men

43:56

working I can't remember it was

43:58

in a mine and he had this his whip

44:00

and he was constantly flicking his wrist

44:02

with the whip. And in his

44:04

present life, he always had wrist pain

44:07

that he couldn't understand. And

44:09

when he's witnessing this past life where

44:11

he's this mean man, I kept

44:14

thinking of Scrooge, you know, like when the Ghost

44:17

of Christmas Past is bringing him to these

44:19

different areas of his life review. This

44:21

is what it felt like to me when I was reading his book. But

44:24

he was able to apologize to those men

44:26

in this state of mind. And

44:29

when he woke up from his NDE,

44:31

the wrist pain was gone. And

44:34

so he writes about how you don't have to have

44:36

a near death experience. You know, he said,

44:38

if you do past life hypnosis, for example,

44:41

and you offer forgiveness or receive

44:43

forgiveness for things that happened in

44:45

the past, it will affect

44:47

your present and your future lives. I

44:50

found that to be a very intriguing part

44:52

of the book. So I just recommend it

44:54

highly for anyone interested in these topics. Another

44:57

one of my favorites, a really small book,

44:59

it's like I used to call my little

45:01

Chloe is she's taller than me now, but

45:04

she was tiny. And I used to always

45:06

say, Chloe, you're tiny but mighty. That's

45:08

how this book is by Dr. George Ritchie. It's

45:10

tiny but mighty return from

45:12

tomorrow. It is packed

45:15

with fascinating wisdom and insights into

45:17

what awaits us on the other

45:19

side. We mentioned Dr. Evan Alexander's

45:21

book, proof of heaven. Anita Morajani,

45:23

I'm assuming most listeners have read her book

45:25

dying to be me. Fascinating.

45:27

And so many doctors have gone on

45:29

record saying she shouldn't be alive. We

45:31

don't know how she was healed so

45:34

instantaneously. So her story

45:36

is riveting to explore the wisdom

45:38

of near death experiences by Dr.

45:40

Penny Sertori. So there's

45:42

just so many wonderful books

45:44

out there that you can read to help

45:47

expand that reducing

45:50

valve system of our brain filter.

45:53

I believe that when you listen to shows like

45:55

this, and when you read books like the ones

45:57

we've mentioned, when you just take a

45:59

minute to to meditate or pray or

46:02

read a book of poetry, anything that

46:04

expands your mind and opens

46:07

up your inner insight, I

46:09

think it really does help us to perceive

46:12

and receive so much of what's out there

46:14

and waiting for us to discover. I

46:17

do too. I think that one of the things

46:19

that we do with this podcast is

46:21

that we invite people to look at the

46:24

world through different lenses. And

46:26

a show like this one is one of

46:28

those that really does say, we

46:30

don't know, but isn't it

46:33

fun to contemplate? And wouldn't

46:35

it be fun to know in the time I

46:37

do believe will come when we will know? Yeah,

46:41

and I think I'm

46:43

not disagreeing with you at all. I just, I think

46:45

it's more than fun. I think

46:47

it's very important. I think it is

46:50

crucial that we learn

46:53

these aspects of our potential.

46:56

And I think it is such a

46:58

gift to be alive, to

47:00

be given a body, to be on this

47:03

earth. That is one thing that has come

47:05

up so many times in readings that I have

47:07

done, is what a gift it

47:09

is to be on this earth. And

47:11

I think it's our job

47:14

really to make the best of

47:16

this gift, and

47:18

to not morph into hamsters

47:20

on a working wheel of just

47:23

going to work and coming home

47:25

and watching TV and maybe having

47:27

a beer with friends after work and watching a

47:29

game. Nothing wrong with any of

47:31

that. We all need fun and enjoyment. I'm just

47:33

saying, I think we also have

47:35

a right and a privilege

47:37

and a responsibility to fully

47:40

embrace the seeker's path. And what

47:42

comes out of that will

47:45

be that feeling of oneness and

47:47

connection that I think we all

47:49

know is instinctively our

47:51

divine right. And yet, so

47:55

few people feel it right now in this

47:57

time we're living where it does feel. like

48:00

we're all disconnected. In the

48:02

age of connection, I think people feel more

48:04

disconnected than ever. And this

48:07

is why I think it is

48:09

fun to explore these concepts, but

48:11

I also think it's kind of our

48:13

privilege as well. I

48:16

agree. Well, I hope listeners agree too,

48:18

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