0:01

Does truth exist? Because

0:03

you have faith. Does that make this book true?

0:05

Does God exist? So when

0:07

someone says there is no truth, If

0:10

you apply the claim to itself, what should

0:12

you say? Is that

0:14

true? They don't think Christianity

0:17

fruit. They're talked

0:19

out of it. You know why they're talked

0:21

out of it? Because they've never been

0:23

talked into

0:23

it. Cross exhibiting skeptical

0:26

and atheistic views. Welcome

0:28

to cross examining with doctor

0:31

Frank Turek. Ladies

0:33

and gentlemen, there are many popular philosophies

0:36

and sayings that are floating around

0:38

the Internet that are Supposed

0:40

to be coming from Christians, sayings

0:43

like live your truth or

0:46

you are enough or you should put yourself

0:48

first. authenticity is

0:51

everything, and God just wants you to be

0:53

happy. And by the way, you shouldn't

0:55

judge. I mean, these Statements

0:58

sound like we ought to agree with them.

0:59

But should we? Is

1:02

it possible that many

1:04

of these statements, if not all of them,

1:06

although they might sound good to modern

1:08

ears are actually deceptions.

1:12

They are lies. They are

1:14

pulling us away. from

1:17

the truth? Well, that

1:19

actually is the thesis of

1:21

my guest today, and you know her because

1:23

she's she's Well, she was

1:25

a recording star before she was ever an apologist

1:28

with Zooey Girl. I'm talking of course

1:30

about the great Alisa Childers who

1:32

just a couple of years ago wrote a book called

1:35

another gospel because she

1:37

almost became a

1:39

progressive Christian and

1:41

went right up to the cliff edge and then

1:44

realized, no, this is not right.

1:46

This is not true. This is

1:48

not real Christianity. She

1:50

then got into apologetics attended

1:52

our cross examined instructor academy, and

1:54

now she has a ministry at alyssa Childers

1:57

dot com. She also has

1:59

a YouTube channel. She's on

2:01

social media. She's speaking all over

2:03

the country. And she's just written

2:05

this brand new book called live

2:07

your truth

2:08

and other

2:10

lies. In fact, the subtitle is

2:13

exposing popular deceptions

2:15

that make us anxious, exhausted,

2:18

and self obsessed. It's

2:20

always great having a Lisa on. A Lisa, how

2:22

are you? Hey, Frank. Great.

2:25

Always great to be with you. Well,

2:27

this book has been in the it's

2:30

been in the work for a couple of years now.

2:33

I just got a copy just a few days

2:35

ago. I'm almost through the entire

2:37

thing. It is a very good

2:39

read and it's hitting on

2:41

these issues, Alisa, that are so prevalent

2:43

in our culture today, so prevalent

2:45

to the point that many Christians are agreeing

2:47

with them. So let me just Ask it

2:49

right off the top. Why did you decide to

2:51

write this book And what's the

2:54

what's the essence of the book? What are you trying to

2:56

do?

2:57

Well, I decided to write this book now

2:59

because for a couple of years, I had been

3:01

giving a talk. It was actually my most requested

3:04

talk to give at women's conferences. that

3:06

was dealing with popular slogans, these

3:08

kind of positive affirmation

3:11

type sayings that it's it's sounds

3:13

like the kind of thing you'd wanna say to somebody

3:15

who's having a hard day. It sounds positive.

3:18

It sounds life affirming. But when

3:20

you dig under the surface, you realize that

3:22

it's they're actually not true, but even beyond

3:24

that, you go deeper. And you realize

3:26

they actually lead to a lot of spiritual

3:29

deception and spiritual rot.

3:31

And they're actually place a great burden

3:33

on people to say things like live

3:35

your truth or you are enough to

3:37

to them. So this was my most popular

3:40

talk that I would give at women's conferences. And then

3:42

I thought about expanding it out into

3:44

a book and adding some more of

3:46

these sort of slogan meme

3:49

type of sayings that we all see on social media

3:52

and applying them to both men and

3:54

women because I think that there's not

3:57

I I don't think these lies are just lies

3:59

that women are buying into. I think they might manifest

4:01

differently, but there are things that kind of everybody

4:03

just in our general culture are

4:05

buying into. And then kinda just

4:07

one other angle to the to the book

4:09

is there has been such

4:12

a a

4:14

flurry of extremely popular

4:16

books written by, as you mentioned,

4:18

self profess Christians. They're more in the progressive

4:21

Christian camp. that are writing these kind

4:23

of self help books that have been extremely popular

4:25

in culture even getting

4:27

up to the number one on New York Times best

4:29

seller lists that are promoting these sort of self

4:31

obsessed ideas, kind of worship

4:33

yourself type ideas, and I've actually been on

4:35

your podcast to talk about some of those,

4:37

the books being written by Glen and Doyle and

4:39

Jen Hatmaker and Rachel Fajalas, these

4:41

types of messages. So I wanted this

4:43

book to be an

4:45

apologetic response to

4:47

a lot of the messages that coming from

4:49

those types of influencers and platforms,

4:52

which is kind of hitting more

4:54

on the influence influencer kind

4:56

of pop level progressive Christianity,

4:58

not so much the theological and

5:00

scholarly, you know, community

5:02

of of progressive Christians that might be saying more

5:04

specific things about theology. this is kind

5:06

of more

5:06

on the pop level. Howard Bauchner: Yeah, and it's

5:08

written for just the average person

5:11

like me and you, we can understand this

5:13

material because you're writing it First

5:15

of all, you've got a lot of personal stories in the

5:17

book. But secondly, you're pointing

5:19

out the things that are so popular in our

5:21

culture that sound so good

5:24

But if we're going to be discerning,

5:26

we're gonna realize that these good

5:28

sounding phrases like follow your

5:30

heart or live your truth or you are enough

5:32

or on authenticity is everything. While

5:35

they might have some truth in there,

5:37

at the core of it, they're really

5:39

anti biblical. And if we go down those

5:41

roads, where we follow these

5:43

truths to their conclusion, we're

5:45

gonna wind up I think as your title says,

5:47

you're gonna wind up anxious, exhausted,

5:50

and self obsessed. So

5:53

how did this book come about? What what

5:55

made you go, I really need to do this.

5:57

I know you're doing the talk, but you really had to

5:59

put this down

5:59

the in

6:00

in in writing. And let

6:02

me let me see. We've got how many chapters here,

6:04

Elite. We got thirteen chapters. And

6:07

each chapter is covering one

6:09

of these issues. So how did

6:11

you how did you come about to write this?

6:14

Yeah. Well, I just thought it was a really

6:16

important time to write it because of

6:18

the pop popularity of these other sort

6:20

of self help books that

6:22

were covered in a bit of a Christian veneer

6:24

using Christian language. published

6:27

even sometimes on Christian publishing

6:29

houses by self professed Christian

6:31

authors. And yet, these messages were so anti

6:33

biblical And and

6:36

so I I was receiving a lot of emails

6:38

from people who listened to my podcast

6:40

and maybe read my blog saying, hey, can you

6:42

respond to some of these messages

6:44

because I know it's not it it sounds

6:46

kinda nice, but I've got all these

6:48

red flags, but I don't have language to articulate

6:51

to my friends who are buying into all this. why

6:53

it's wrong. And so I was just kinda hoping

6:55

also, you know, thinking back to

6:57

what kicked off me even being able to

6:59

write another gospel was a blog

7:02

post I wrote where I reviewed Rachel

7:04

Hollis' book, Girl, Wash your face, and it

7:06

went viral. And that's really what

7:08

provided the opportunity for me to even

7:10

write the book another gospel. So when it was

7:12

time to write a second book, I just kind of thought back

7:14

to that blog post and I thought, I think there's something

7:16

there. There's an audience, obviously, for

7:19

the type of thing I wrote in that blog post.

7:22

And so I just kinda wanted to

7:24

address all of that in a in a

7:26

book length treatment. Well,

7:27

let's start with one of the chapters that

7:30

deals with the title of the book, Live

7:32

Your Truth. Why is Living Your

7:34

Truth not a good idea, Alyssa?

7:36

Well, it's it's not only not a good

7:38

idea. It's actually not possible because

7:40

your truth doesn't actually exist

7:43

And I'm I'm laughing because this is like one

7:45

of the the bells you ring constantly.

7:48

It's even in your opening. Is that true? You

7:50

know, it's the nature of truth.

7:52

And I think that has been

7:54

a major issue where our culture

7:56

and sadly our Christian culture

7:58

has become extremely confused.

8:00

And that's just the very definition of what

8:02

truth is. You know, truth is

8:04

what is real. It's a belief that lines

8:07

up with reality. However,

8:09

our culture has bought into the idea

8:11

that truth is fluid. It's something that

8:13

you create for yourself. You kind

8:15

of, you know, do some introspection, do

8:17

some some some self

8:19

care, some self love, figure out what

8:21

you find inside of your heart,

8:23

and then unleash that on the world and and

8:25

live your truth identify what's naturally

8:28

inside of you and and live your

8:30

truth. And of course, we we know this doesn't

8:32

work because truth doesn't work

8:34

that way. truth, you know, in the

8:36

book, I talk about, you know, what is the

8:38

best dessert? What what do you think the best

8:40

dessert is? What do I think the best dessert

8:42

is? Well, there is no best dessert because that's

8:44

just an opinion. That's a preference.

8:46

There's nothing outside of us

8:48

as a subject that we can test what is

8:50

actually the best dessert. But

8:52

if you test other claims that have to

8:54

do with like who God is, who Jesus

8:57

is, what is right and what

8:59

is wrong, These are things that are rooted

9:01

in objective reality that are not

9:03

just a matter of opinion. And so

9:05

where culture is telling you

9:07

to live your truth, as

9:09

you point out over and over on your podcast,

9:11

well, what if my truth or my idea

9:13

of what's right or wrong conflicts

9:15

with someone else's idea? of

9:17

what's right or wrong. Then at that point, you

9:19

just have whoever's the biggest and

9:21

the strongest or has the most power or influence

9:23

that gets to decide what's right or

9:26

wrong for everyone else. And as we've

9:28

seen all throughout history, the

9:30

most powerful, the people who have the most

9:32

influence are often

9:33

in, you know,

9:34

coding into law, very evil things.

9:37

And we all know this innately, but I

9:39

think it's just making the case

9:40

for Christians to think these things

9:42

through better. that will help us to realize

9:44

that. And you'll think it through Better if you get

9:46

Alyssa's new book, live your truth, and

9:48

otherwise, she's my guest today, Alyssa

9:50

Childress. Alyssa Childress dot com.

9:52

and lisa children's dot com. Check it out there.

9:54

We're back in just two minutes with much more.

9:56

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10:04

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10:07

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and what we're talking about. We're talking

10:18

about live your truth and

10:20

other lies. That's the brand

10:22

new book. by my friend, Alisa

10:24

Childers, exposing popular deceptions

10:27

that make us anxious, exhausted, and

10:29

self obsessed. Yeah. You would think that if

10:31

you just lived your own truth,

10:33

meaning you just did whatever you

10:35

wanted to do, things would be a lot better

10:37

for you. They might be over the short term, but over the

10:39

long term, it is a disaster.

10:41

ladies and gentlemen. You're gonna wind up

10:43

anxious, exhausted, self

10:45

obsessed, and probably alone if

10:47

you just follow your heart all the time and do

10:49

whatever you wanna do. But, Alisa, before the

10:51

break, we were talking about the chapter in the

10:53

book, live your truth. We were talking about the

10:55

chapter that covers this topic, live

10:57

your truth. And in this chapter, you

10:59

talk about something called linguistic

11:01

theft. What is that about?

11:03

Yeah.

11:04

Well, that actually came from the

11:06

mama bear apologetics book in Hillary Fairer

11:08

came up with this term linguistic

11:11

theft. And basically, what linguistic

11:13

theft is something that we're seeing as a

11:15

phenomenon in our culture where

11:17

words are actually being retooled

11:19

and redefined and

11:21

repurposed and then used as tools of

11:23

propaganda. That was more or less

11:25

Hillary's definition. And I added to that by saying

11:27

and it's not always intentional. It's not

11:30

always meant to be propaganda. People

11:32

just define words differently all the

11:34

time, and we might end up totally talking past

11:36

each other because we're defining words

11:38

differently, and one of the big ones would be the

11:40

word love. You know, if you think biblically

11:42

about how the Bible talks about love, of

11:44

course, it's one of God's attribute so we start

11:46

with his nature and character, but

11:48

Paul fleshes this out for us in first

11:50

Corinthians thirteen when he says love his patient, love

11:52

his kind, all love that stuff, but

11:54

then it goes on to say, love

11:56

cannot rejoice in wrongdoing, and

11:59

it says love rejoices in the truth.

12:01

So according to the bible, according to

12:03

the accurate biblical definition of

12:05

love. It's not loving to affirm

12:08

something about someone else that's

12:10

harmful or sinful Whereas

12:12

culturally speaking, that word

12:14

love has kind of been hijacked. It's been

12:16

repurposed to mean an

12:18

affirmation and even a celebration

12:20

of whatever anybody else wants

12:22

to live like or think like or

12:24

behave like or say. And so you

12:26

actually have these to radically

12:28

opposite definitions of love

12:30

operating, which can end up

12:32

having us just talk past each other

12:34

and not understanding each

12:36

other. Yes,

12:37

Satan comes as an angel of light says, Paul.

12:39

And everybody's for love.

12:41

Right? Except when you

12:43

redefine love to mean approval. If

12:45

love means approval, then you couldn't be

12:47

a parent because you can't approve of everything your kid wants

12:50

to do. If you if you did, you wouldn't be loving,

12:52

you'd be unloving. And the same

12:54

people that say that that say

12:56

love means approval and you have to approve

12:58

her, Lisa, you just said, celebrate

13:00

what I do. are the same people

13:02

that don't celebrate what you do as a

13:04

Christian. They think what you're doing is

13:06

right. They don't need to approve of what you're

13:08

doing or what you're saying. Now out also

13:10

in the book that some of

13:12

the some of the theological

13:15

doctrine that is so central

13:17

to Christianity is redefined.

13:19

How is the word resurrection redefined

13:21

in in some progressive so

13:23

called Christian circles? Right.

13:26

Well, and this kind of relates with

13:28

the topic of deconstruction. And of

13:30

course, you know, jockeira being a post

13:32

modern philosopher from the sixties referred

13:34

to as father of deconstruction, didn't

13:37

believe that words could be pinned

13:39

down to singular meanings. And so, you

13:41

know, the the ten of the author had no

13:43

more effect on the meaning than the

13:45

interpretation of the hearer. And we we see stuff like

13:47

this happening all the time. And

13:49

so in the modern deconsstruction movement,

13:51

which isn't always just about words. So,

13:53

you know, there's there's a a guy named

13:55

John Caputo who applied Joc Terreira's

13:58

ideas to religion and to Christianity to

14:00

kind of bring that relativistic approach

14:02

to truth to Christianity, which is very

14:05

influential in the progressive Christian movement.

14:07

So now you have words like resurrection

14:10

being reinterpreted and

14:12

essentially, you know, for for many progressive

14:14

Christians, certainly not all, you can

14:16

kind of create your own meaning for these words.

14:18

So for many progressives, the resurrection

14:20

just simply is is a

14:22

metaphor for seasons in our

14:24

life where we have experienced some sort of

14:26

loss or death or struggle, and then

14:28

there's the rebirth. And so this would be

14:30

referred to as resurrection or maybe

14:32

it's the metaphor of of

14:34

Jesus even in in a spiritual

14:36

sense, rising from the dead.

14:38

And, you know, according to Progressive

14:40

Christianity, it doesn't really matter. if

14:42

Jesus resurrection was literal or

14:44

physical or an objective, you know,

14:46

historical event that can

14:48

be tested, That doesn't matter so

14:50

much. What matters is more what we

14:52

can learn about this theme of resurrection. So

14:54

the word gets redefined to mean

14:56

something really different than Christians

14:58

have historically met when we talk about the

15:01

resurrection of Jesus.

15:02

Friends, if you were being deceived, would you

15:05

wanna know it?

15:06

I mean, that's the

15:06

problem with deception. Right? You don't know you're

15:09

being

15:09

deceived. If you did know, you wouldn't be deceived. And

15:11

there are

15:12

so many nice sounding phrases

15:15

nice sounding words or as Lisa just

15:17

said redefined words

15:19

that sound attractive

15:22

and as Satan comes as an angel of

15:24

light are attractive if

15:26

they're properly defined, but when they're

15:28

improperly defined,

15:29

they can lead us down the wrong

15:32

road.

15:32

So, Alyssa covers all this in the

15:35

brand new book, Live Your Truth, and otherwise,

15:37

it's a very easy read. The chapters

15:39

are very, very conversational.

15:42

They're not very long, but you

15:44

cover the issues that need to

15:46

be covered for each

15:48

of these topics. How about this idea

15:50

of authenticity, Alyssa? You

15:52

have a chapter in on authenticity. You just

15:54

have to be authentic. What do you say

15:56

about that? First of all, what is the teaching and then

15:58

what's your response to it?

15:59

Right. So this this was actually the

16:02

hardest chapter for me to write because

16:04

If you think about the word

16:06

authenticity, that's another word that has

16:08

been kinda hijacked. It's been

16:10

linguistically thefted as we talk about in

16:12

the first chapter. And so classically, you

16:14

know, authenticity means being genuine. And

16:16

I think there's a sense in which Christians can

16:19

could be more authentic. I I have

16:21

friends who grew up. in

16:23

environments where their parents were, you know,

16:25

cutting each other out in the car on the way to church and

16:27

then they get out of the car and it's like,

16:29

hey, brother, Bob, you know, everything's

16:31

wonderful and they're, you know, they're not being

16:33

genuine about their struggles. And I think we

16:35

need to be as Christians. We need to

16:37

be authentic with each other in the sense

16:39

that it's okay to say, look, I'm struggling

16:41

today. I don't wanna be church. Will you pray for me? I'm

16:43

gonna I'm gonna try to be obedient, but

16:45

my my attitude hasn't really caught up with

16:47

that. So in that sense, I think it it

16:49

would be good for us to be authentic. But

16:51

the problem is that that isn't

16:53

what culture means when they

16:55

say you should live your true authentic

16:57

self. What culture is

16:59

building that lie upon is

17:01

basically the idea that truth is

17:03

fluid and that humans are inherently good and

17:05

that we talk about that in the you are enough

17:07

chapter. So if you humanity

17:09

with the idea that humans

17:11

are born either morally neutral

17:14

or or innocent or

17:16

basically good then you can

17:18

understand why culture might tell

17:20

somebody. Well, all you need to do is just

17:22

do some more, you know, soul

17:24

searching or self care or self love dig down deep inside of

17:26

yourself to identify your

17:29

truest, deepest desires.

17:32

And so what culture will say about our desires

17:34

is that your desires are always going

17:36

to be right. So if

17:38

you if you carrier desires with what people say you shouldn't and

17:40

shouldn't do and there's a conflict, well, you should go

17:42

with your desires because that's who you really

17:45

are. Now the problem with that

17:47

is Of course, Christianity teaches the opposite.

17:49

When our desires are in conflict with

17:51

what's right or wrong, then Christianity

17:54

teaches we need to repent.

17:56

There's something about us innately

17:58

that needs to change. We need to

18:00

be reconciled to God. We need to

18:02

be redeemed. We need to be saved.

18:04

And so that is a concept that's

18:07

really foreign to culture because culture

18:09

really teaches that you are

18:11

inherently good. Therefore, you

18:13

just need to to find out what

18:15

the deepest part of you

18:17

desires and wants, and then live that

18:19

truth out authentically, and that's what it

18:21

means to live your true authentic

18:23

self. But As we've observed, I've

18:25

observed this in the lives of my

18:27

friends who have family members

18:29

who have decided to live this

18:31

way. living in that true authentic self according to culture

18:34

really has devastating consequences, not

18:36

just for the person doing it, but for the

18:38

people around them and what it demands

18:40

of people around them as we see even

18:42

in our culture with trans

18:45

ideology and radical gender theory

18:47

demanding that people basically affirm

18:49

things that aren't true about other people,

18:51

which causes people to live by lies.

18:53

And this is all based on this idea

18:55

of living my true authentic self.

18:58

Seems to me. I

18:59

was I was reading this, Alyssa. Just struck

19:01

me that if if

19:03

you are or any of us are,

19:06

the individual is the source and

19:08

measure of all truth. Then you

19:10

don't need God. Right? I mean, you don't

19:12

need the bible. You are

19:14

God. I mean, why do ladies and gentlemen, why do we go to

19:16

the bible at all? To learn

19:19

what we already deep down in our

19:21

hearts already know. that

19:23

wouldn't make it. If we already know it, why are we reading the bible?

19:26

Right? It seems like

19:28

the only the only reason

19:30

that we are lost

19:34

is because we're

19:36

sinners and we need a savior and

19:38

we're not gonna find that savior

19:40

in ourselves In

19:42

fact, do you have another chapter in here,

19:44

Lisa, that says, the lie is you

19:46

are enough. Why

19:48

why is that a lie? You are

19:50

enough.

19:50

Yeah. That's sort of the big one.

19:52

And I always try to give a little bit of a

19:54

disclaimer because I know that that

19:56

is such an ambiguous term.

19:58

Like, somebody might genuinely just

20:00

say, somebody has, you know, spilling really

20:03

down on themselves, they think they're ugly and

20:05

worthless. And, you know, you wanna say, like,

20:07

you're enough, and I get that. I

20:09

totally get why that sounds like the right thing to

20:11

say. But there's some problems with that

20:13

statement and especially what culture means

20:15

by that statement. So when we when you

20:17

tell somebody, you

20:19

are enough. Essentially, what you're

20:21

doing is you're putting an incredible

20:23

burden on their shoulders. You're

20:25

basically telling them that

20:27

whatever problem you're having,

20:29

whatever struggle you're experiencing,

20:32

whatever angst you have inside of

20:34

yourself. You have to solve that

20:36

problem all by yourself. because

20:38

you're enough. Everything you need to solve

20:40

that problem can be found inside of

20:42

you. And what a burden that is?

20:44

Because I think very often

20:47

when we are down on ourselves, there

20:49

could be actually a good reason for that. Maybe

20:51

we've sinned against somebody else in our life and

20:53

we're experiencing godly shame

20:56

and guilt and conviction that

20:58

would lead us to repent to that person

21:00

and repent to the lord and turn

21:02

from that sin and invite the holy

21:04

spirit to change us from the

21:06

inside out. And even the idea that you are enough, not only

21:08

does it go against the gospel, which says

21:10

you need to save your outside of yourself,

21:12

who's Jesus, but

21:14

it it also sends the message that

21:17

that you've gotta solve all your own problems. So in

21:19

the book by Allie Best wishes,

21:21

great book called, you're not enough and that's okay. She says, and

21:23

I quote her in this book. She says, the

21:25

self can't both be the problem and

21:27

the solution. And

21:29

so we're burdening people by telling them

21:31

that they actually can solve other problems because

21:33

ultimately I think we all know that

21:35

we can't. But but even on a

21:37

deeper level, there's such a

21:39

better message than you're

21:41

enough because Jesus actually is the

21:43

one who's enough and he's

21:45

way better than any of us will ever be

21:47

anyway. And so I kind of talk

21:49

about Jesus enoughness as the

21:51

Bible talks about his righteousness. Of

21:53

course, when we're in Christ, when we trust

21:55

in Christ for our salvation, the bible

21:57

talks about his righteousness, that

21:59

morally perfect life that he

22:01

accomplished. That gets kind of put on us like a garment. It

22:03

just covers us so that when God the father

22:05

looks at us, he doesn't see our sin, but

22:07

he sees the righteousness that Jesus

22:10

accomplished. And so in the book, I say it

22:12

like this, you're not

22:14

enough, but Jesus is enough.

22:16

And when you're in Christ, his

22:18

enoughness gets put on you so that when God looks

22:20

at you, he sees the enoughness

22:22

of Jesus. And that's really

22:24

good news, Frank, but it's only gonna

22:26

be good news If you know that you

22:28

need that, if you know that you're a sinner. In fact,

22:30

I think that trying to

22:33

convince

22:33

people they actually need a savior that they

22:35

are sinner. is possibly the most

22:37

difficult task and evangelism for Christians right

22:39

now because culture's telling

22:40

them you're perfect just as you are.

22:43

Let's talk more about that right after the break. We're

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22:55

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24:53

go back now to my friend, Alyssa

24:55

Childers. Her brand new great book, Live Your

24:57

Truth and Other Lives. exposing popular

24:59

deceptions that make us anxious,

25:02

exhausted, and self

25:04

obsessed, and we we're talking a little bit

25:06

about you are enough and authenticity and

25:09

some other some some other of

25:11

these philosophies that

25:13

are thrown out online. And

25:15

Alyssa, you write in this book a little

25:17

bit about Glen and Doyle and

25:19

the Ener Chita. The

25:21

Ener Chita, can you explain what

25:24

that is? Right. So

25:25

Glenn Doyle's book untamed was

25:28

one of the most popular books of a

25:30

couple years ago. This was number

25:32

one New York Times bestseller. She

25:34

had celebrities like Reese Witherspoon,

25:37

Adele, and others just singing

25:39

the praises of this book untamed. In fact,

25:41

I believe the singer Adele said

25:43

that the book made her fly back into her

25:45

body for the first time. I mean, this was a

25:47

book that was so well

25:49

received by culture. And

25:51

in the book, she begins with this

25:53

analogy of going to a

25:55

a zoo where she saw this

25:57

kind of caged cheetah. And what they would

25:59

do is they put some

26:01

meat or something on the back of a jeep, and they

26:03

would have the cheetah chase the

26:05

jeep for the, you know, the steak,

26:07

the store bought steak. And

26:09

so then after they

26:11

watched the show, the Cheetah goes back into the

26:13

the sort of protected area,

26:15

and she sees these moments of wildness

26:18

come out in the cheetah where maybe the cheetah

26:20

realizes they're caged, like

26:22

they were they were fine. The cheetah was fine

26:24

to chase the store bought steak. But

26:26

then, you know, the cheetah ultimately realizes they're in

26:28

the wrong place. Like, they belong in the wild.

26:30

They should be out in the wild. And so

26:32

she's kinda comparing this

26:35

cheater analogy to I believe she's trying to apply it

26:37

really to most women. And in her

26:39

sort of thesis of her book

26:41

is that basically most women

26:44

are living in these k like, caged

26:47

cheetas. Like, we're happy with the store bought steak.

26:49

We're happy chasing the jeep, but

26:51

ultimately, we belong in the wild. And

26:53

so whatever situations we find

26:55

ourselves in as women, whether it's an unhappy

26:57

marriage or maybe it's, you know, a job

26:59

where we're not achieving the the dreams

27:01

we've always had for ourselves. you know,

27:03

the answer is to get out of those

27:05

situations, to free yourself, to go back into the

27:07

wild, essentially, and and

27:09

really find your inner cheetah. And this is

27:11

really unleashed just just

27:13

a ton almost a movement, I would

27:15

say, of people who have read this

27:17

book, and then made major

27:19

life decisions based on trying to find

27:21

this inner Fida, Frank, just in my

27:23

own personal life, one of

27:25

my one of my friends, her

27:28

husband read this book untamed and

27:30

essentially ended up leaving the family live,

27:32

you know, going out to live his truth and now

27:34

he's talking about how oppressive

27:36

Christianity is and has left

27:38

his wife and kids just in

27:41

in this utter turmoil. I I was at

27:43

another conference where a man approached me and said

27:45

his wife had red untamed and

27:47

basically had decided that she wanted

27:49

to go live her truth and they'd only been married

27:51

a year she divorced him,

27:53

and the guy was just wrecked. You know,

27:55

he just he just couldn't figure out what had

27:57

happened. And so this this book

27:59

is very in fluential, which is why we

28:01

address it several times

28:03

in the book.

28:05

And

28:05

this is what Glenn and Doyle herself

28:08

did. Right? Didn't she leave her

28:10

husband for

28:10

another woman? And

28:12

of course -- Yeah. --

28:14

would be devastating to children, but

28:16

she tried to spin it and say that

28:18

her children would appreciate

28:21

the fact that she was following her

28:23

heart, so to speak, following releasing

28:25

her inner cheetah to do what our heart

28:27

really wanted to do. So how would you respond to

28:29

that? How do you respond to it in the book of

28:31

your truth and other

28:32

lives? Yeah.

28:33

The so her entire book of untamed,

28:36

essentially, is the story of her

28:38

meeting women's soccer star

28:40

Abby Wombak and deciding to leave

28:42

her husband ahead and marry

28:44

Abby. And so when in the book when she

28:46

describes the the moment she

28:48

realized that she was going to go ahead and

28:50

pull the trigger and leave her husband and

28:52

marry Abby, was when

28:54

she was reading Swiss psychiatrist

28:56

Carl Jung. And he and I'll have to paraphrase the

28:58

quote because I don't have it in front of me, but

29:00

he said something like you know, there's nothing

29:02

worse you can do as a mother than

29:05

basically lead lead by example

29:07

of a life unfulfilled. Are you not

29:09

fulfilling your dreams or putting yourself

29:11

first something along those lines. And that was

29:13

really what caused her to pull the

29:15

trigger and leave her husband and

29:17

Mary Mary

29:19

Abby. And you're right, Frank, the

29:21

way that the No. Let me

29:23

let me just ask this question

29:25

then. So Glennendoyle, at

29:28

least, thought you as a Christian,

29:30

claimed to be a Christian, and

29:32

so she's taking marching

29:34

orders from Karl Young rather than

29:36

the Bible.

29:37

Well, she's taking marching orders. I I

29:40

can tell you exactly who she's taking marching

29:42

orders from. In fact, she describes

29:44

calling it the her inner

29:47

knowing, and she spells knowing with a

29:49

capital k. And so what she says is

29:51

she got her closet, she meditated

29:53

for several minutes a day until she found

29:55

what she called liquid gold inside of herself.

29:57

And she named it the knowing.

30:00

And I don't think it's by coincidence that

30:02

she put a capital k on that. And she

30:04

regularly throughout the book conflates the

30:06

self with God. really I

30:08

think leading people to

30:10

ultimately use their own hearts as their

30:12

inner guides and worship themselves. So

30:14

when she's quoting Karl Yun, I

30:16

think she's basically saying

30:18

whatever he said lined up

30:20

with what her inner knowing just

30:22

sort of innately new to

30:24

be true. and so she was following her heart. And and I think the

30:26

danger of this Frank and and I see

30:28

this so often with influencers like

30:30

her. She represents many

30:33

others. that have platforms like

30:35

hers, where they they are in

30:37

major life transitions. They've

30:39

just basically changed their

30:41

entire world view, changed

30:43

their entire circumstance and they're asking

30:45

all of their followers to come with

30:47

them on their journey and basically do

30:49

the same thing when nobody's even given

30:51

this a few years to see how it all

30:53

pans out and works out. And, you

30:55

know, there's nothing wrong with following somebody

30:57

who's going through a rough time

30:59

if they're pointing you to

31:01

eternal truths, time tested truths like

31:03

the bible and what the word of god

31:05

might say about something. And then living as

31:07

an example of somebody who's living

31:09

in obedience to that. But we have all

31:11

these influencers who are getting

31:14

divorced. They're they're, you know, leaving their spouses for

31:16

other people. They're in the

31:18

midst of major life changes. But

31:20

at the same time, they're

31:22

telling their audience, hey, you need to be doing this too

31:24

because it's great, but I don't think we know whether

31:26

or not it's great yet. I mean, obviously, we know

31:28

because we have the Bible. But

31:31

just from a natural standpoint,

31:33

like, this hasn't even had a chance to work

31:35

itself out for a few years and see if it's even

31:37

gonna work out for them. reminds

31:39

me of what our mutual friend John Cooper

31:41

said after another one of

31:43

the so called

31:46

worship

31:46

leaders decided he wasn't a

31:48

Christian anymore. I can't remember who it was, but he

31:50

said, you've been living this way for

31:53

years, and ten minutes ago, you changed your worldview.

31:55

And now you you're

31:57

recommending everybody change their worldview too.

31:59

How about a little humility?

32:01

How about first saying? Right? Hang on,

32:04

man. I got it wrong. At least I think I got it

32:06

wrong for thirty five years. And now

32:08

here in my thirty fifth year, I've changed

32:10

my completely, and everybody needs to

32:12

agree with me. That sounds a lot like people

32:14

trying to look for look

32:16

for validation. Right? They

32:19

they know in their hearts what they're doing is against

32:21

again against the the

32:22

word of God. They know in their hearts what they're

32:24

doing is against really what they ought to be

32:26

doing. So in order to feel better, they gotta get

32:28

everybody on board and say, yeah, yeah, you gotta

32:30

agree with me. This is a great thing. When you

32:33

point out in the book, again, the book

32:35

is called ladies and gentlemen, live your truth

32:37

and other lies, Alyssa Childers. You point out in the book Alyssa

32:39

that Jesus' message is

32:42

exactly opposite to this

32:44

idea of I'm

32:46

the boss. I get to do what I want. I gotta follow my

32:48

heart. Jesus' message was opposite

32:50

that. What was his message?

32:53

Right.

32:53

Well, I always read this to audiences

32:55

when I'm speaking at conferences where

32:57

Jesus said, if anyone wishes to

32:59

come after me, let him find his

33:01

true authentic. Oh, wait. No. That's not it.

33:04

Jesus didn't say that. He said, if

33:06

anyone wishes to follow after me,

33:08

let him deny himself

33:11

daily, pick up his cross, and follow

33:13

me. And what I love to point out

33:15

in the book especially is that, you

33:17

know, as Christians today, When we

33:19

say pick up our cross, I think

33:21

often, we look back on the cross from

33:23

our perspective and see the cross

33:25

as a victorious symbol. When it is. I mean, it's the

33:27

victory, right, that Jesus accomplished on the

33:29

cross. But we have to

33:31

remember that when Jesus said those

33:33

words, he had not been crucified

33:35

yet. And so he was speaking

33:37

those words into a context. In

33:39

the Roman Empire, p these the

33:41

people he was speaking to, would

33:43

have been accustomed to seeing people

33:46

hanging on crosses. This is one of the ways

33:48

that the Romans kept

33:50

people under submission and under control.

33:52

Was the fear and the threat? of

33:54

crucifixion, which was reserved for the

33:56

lowest of the low, was

33:58

reserved for traders and slaves,

34:00

and and this was not only

34:02

the most discourciating way to die, but it was also the most

34:04

humiliating way to die. And so I

34:06

think even as modern day Christians, we need to kind of think a

34:08

little bit more like that

34:10

and realize that when Jesus says pick

34:12

up your cross, he's not just saying you need to be willing to die,

34:14

but almost in a way, he's saying

34:16

you need to be willing to live

34:20

in a way that might cause you shame in the eyes of

34:22

your culture, that might be taboo, that

34:24

might be something that's humiliating on

34:27

a natural level. because

34:30

following Christ is often going to be in

34:32

conflict with the the ethics of our

34:34

culture, the ideas of our

34:36

culture, the the norms of

34:38

our culture. And so, Jesus call is not to find

34:40

yourself, not to live your truth, but

34:42

it's to actually

34:44

deny yourself. and

34:46

and pick up your cross and follow him. But the good news is that when

34:48

we do that, he gives

34:50

us something in its place. It's

34:53

not just like he's asking us to become, you

34:55

know, living martyrs and although in some

34:58

ways we are, he gives us something to

35:00

put in its place and that is

35:02

a deep abiding joy and the ultimate fulfillment

35:04

of our purpose, which is to be

35:06

in relationship with God and

35:09

worship him forever. And the only way to do that is

35:11

to do it his way. And

35:14

I I just I love what

35:16

the gospel people has to offer us because if we're truly honest about

35:18

ourselves and we look inside ourselves and we

35:20

know that we're sinners that we need

35:22

redemption, we

35:24

need salvation, when we get

35:26

that from Jesus, I

35:28

love the way the Bible talks about it. We don't

35:30

just get saved. We get adopted

35:32

into an entirely new family. We're citizens of an

35:34

entirely different kingdom. And

35:36

our king is the creator of

35:38

the universe. And and this is our purpose,

35:40

and it's such a beautiful truth

35:43

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36:46

asked us to deny ourselves, to

36:48

pick up our cross and carry it, and

36:52

things like if you don't hate

36:54

your parents in relation to

36:56

me, you're not worthy of me. He

36:58

says if you just

37:00

think about some lustful things. You're guilty of it.

37:02

You just think about it. I mean,

37:04

he really put a

37:06

really high

37:08

bar out there that

37:10

hardly anybody would want in their

37:12

human nature to follow. I'm

37:14

just wondering how this human

37:16

being Jesus with these kind

37:18

of teachings could be and, well, actually, is the most

37:20

influential human being in the world if he didn't rise

37:22

from the dead. I mean, why why would anyone wanna

37:24

do this? Right? Why

37:26

why would

37:28

Why would anybody wanna wanna carry your cross? Why

37:30

would anyone want to deny yourself? Why would anybody wanna

37:32

do these things? He must have really roast

37:35

me dead and you You cover some

37:37

of the evidence for that in the in the new book, live your truth, and

37:39

other lies. In fact, you talk about the minimal facts.

37:41

Why don't you just give us the few minimal facts, and

37:43

then we'll move

37:46

on? Yeah. Well,

37:46

I wanted to put that in there because I think a lot of Christians are unaware

37:49

that there's actual evidence even outside

37:51

of the bible that

37:54

demonstrates the reliability of the resurrection of

37:56

Jesus Christ. In fact, even if you never had a

37:58

bible, I'm not saying you could prove

38:00

the resurrection, but you could reasonably conclude just from the non

38:02

Christian historical sources all

38:04

within about two hundred years of Jesus

38:06

life that he

38:08

lived, that he was known to be sinless and

38:10

virtuous, that he was crucified under Pontus

38:12

Pilot, and that his closest followers believed

38:14

they had seen him alive after he

38:17

was dead and testified to that fact

38:20

even under threat of death and being

38:22

tortured. So the minimal facts are really

38:24

our friend, doctor

38:26

Gary Habramas, got together just I think it was, like, two

38:28

thousand of the most or I I'm not sure

38:30

exactly how many it was, but of the most critical

38:32

scholarly source

38:34

about the resurrection of Jesus and try to figure out what all scholars basically agreed

38:36

on, from the most skeptical to the

38:39

most conservative. And there are

38:42

different points that they all agree on.

38:44

So to to summarize a few of

38:46

them, they virtually every

38:48

scholar agrees that Jesus Christ was

38:50

a a historical person. that he was

38:52

crucified under conscious pilot,

38:54

that his closest followers believed they'd seen

38:56

him alive after he was dead, that they

38:58

were willing to be tortured and

39:00

even go to their deaths maintaining that

39:02

testimony be to be true.

39:04

Virtually all scholars agree that Paul,

39:06

who was the prosecutor, was instantly

39:08

changed after his testimony

39:10

of having seen the risen Jesus. And then,

39:12

of course, the the the skeptic

39:14

James, Jesus brother, who was,

39:16

you know, we have in the estimate him

39:18

being described as somebody who thought Jesus was crazy. And then

39:21

after he has this encounter

39:24

with what he testified was the risen

39:26

Jesus, his brother, he becomes leader

39:28

of the church. So so there's these

39:30

certain historical facts that everybody has to

39:32

wrestle with and kind of come to a clue conclusion

39:35

of what do you think happened? If he wasn't raised from

39:37

the dead, what's a better way to explain

39:39

that? And I honestly can't think of one. I think the

39:41

best explanation of the evidence is

39:44

that Jesus truly was

39:46

raised from the dead.

39:47

That's why very few atheist scholars

39:49

or non believers will take a position.

39:51

They will not take

39:54

a naturalistic explanation because they know the natural naturalistic

39:56

explanations they come up with

39:58

have huge holes in them

40:01

So the question is you point out

40:03

in the book, live your truth and other

40:05

lies, Alisa, is is not what the evidence says.

40:07

The the question is how do you

40:09

interpret the evidence? And I think many people will rule out

40:11

a resurrection at the get go. So they say, can't be

40:14

a resurrection. We don't know what happened.

40:16

One of course, we

40:18

realized that since god created the universe, that the

40:20

universe had a beginning, and if he

40:22

can create the universe out of nothing,

40:24

he can certainly resurrect somebody from the dead.

40:26

The greatest miracle the bible's the first verse. If that verse is true, other

40:28

verse is possible, including the resurrection. In

40:30

any event, I wanna touch on identity for

40:32

just a minute at least and then move

40:36

on our final point here. And that is

40:38

you were just talking before the break

40:41

about how Christians how

40:43

anyone really can get an identity that's

40:46

eternal and secure? How do we do

40:48

that? Well,

40:49

identity is determined by

40:51

the person who creates something. Right? The purpose

40:53

for something. So and and

40:56

who gets to decide that? But, god,

40:58

who is our creator? He created

41:00

human beings for a very specific purpose and our

41:02

identity is going to be rooted in

41:04

the thing we were created for. Our

41:06

purpose and

41:08

our purpose is to worship

41:10

God and to be in his presence

41:12

forever, to be in relationship with him

41:14

forever. We were created literally

41:16

in his image. which is such

41:18

an amazing doctrine, which

41:20

is unique from all other religions if you

41:22

really think about it. The fact that that the bible

41:24

teaches we were created in the image of

41:26

God, which means we can reason, we can

41:29

love, we have choices. There there

41:31

are so many things about that

41:33

that are so beautiful But what a

41:35

lot of these messages over is the is the

41:37

Genesis three part of that equation. Right? As Christians,

41:39

we we know that we were created

41:41

in the image God that what

41:43

God created was good, but then that

41:46

good or that image became

41:48

distorted by sin. So the bible talks

41:50

about in Romans five through

41:52

one man sin entered the world and and through him

41:54

death spread to all men.

41:56

So we all are born

41:58

with this proclivity towards

42:00

sin. This sin nature that needs

42:02

to be sort of recalibrated, redeemed, restored

42:05

unto god and reconciled to

42:07

god. And that's when we start truly living

42:10

in our identity that God

42:12

created us to be, which is in relationship

42:14

with him. So anything

42:16

we try outside of that

42:18

to try to fix whatever problem we might

42:20

be experiencing, it's just

42:22

gonna be like a band aid or it's gonna

42:24

be like you know, and we see this everywhere. People, you

42:26

know, turning to drugs and alcohol

42:28

or entertainment or self

42:30

obsession or whatever it might be to

42:33

try to fill that hole or to fix

42:34

For another person, I'll leave my husband for

42:37

another woman. That's right. Exactly

42:39

changing whatever

42:41

your circumstances are. But ultimately, that's just

42:43

gonna lead to more destruction. And so so really living

42:45

in our true identity, which is child

42:47

of God, that's what I

42:49

am is a child of God when I'm in

42:52

Christ. Like I said before, I've been

42:54

adopted into a new family. God is my

42:56

father. And and I

42:58

have this whole new identity. And that's really the beauty of the

43:00

message that I think Christians need to be proclaiming

43:02

more. Is is letting people

43:04

see the beauty of the gospel lived out

43:06

in our

43:08

lives. Read John

43:08

chapter one verse twelve. He's given you the right

43:11

to become a child of God, to become an heir to

43:13

the throne if you will. You can't

43:16

lose that. you can lose a number of things in this life. The only thing can't

43:18

lose is Jesus. That's your identity. Anyway,

43:20

I wanna spend our last few minutes,

43:24

Alyssa, You talk about this at the end of the book. Again, ladies and gentlemen,

43:26

the book is called, live your truth and other

43:28

lies exposing popular deceptions

43:31

that make us anxious exhausted and self obsessed by Lisa Childress,

43:33

by the way, the award winning author of another

43:36

gospel. You talk about an experience

43:38

you had when you

43:40

visited a prison in South America, tell us

43:42

about that. Yo. I was

43:43

on a mission trip and I had the really

43:45

rare opportunity of visiting a women's

43:48

prison and Typically, they did

43:50

not allow groups in. They especially,

43:52

didn't allow groups from America, but because

43:54

there was a local minister missionary,

43:57

who had made relationships inside of the prison,

43:59

they allowed about five of us to go into

44:01

this prison, and it was a a

44:04

really life changing experience for me.

44:06

For many reasons. Number one, I

44:08

learned that prisons in other countries are not

44:10

like prisons in America. The women in

44:12

this prison you basically get locked inside if you're in prison and don't

44:14

necessarily get a fair trial. There were women

44:16

inside who had been framed

44:19

by, you coming coming for a weekend and having

44:22

a fling with somebody who packed their

44:24

suitcase with drugs like something you'd see in the

44:26

movies and then they're in this prison

44:28

without a fair trial. You just get locked inside. You

44:30

don't get food. You don't get

44:32

access to a mattress or a bed or a

44:34

private place. you have to pay for all

44:36

that stuff. So a lot of women would

44:38

prostitute themselves on visitors day

44:40

to be able to just have basic

44:42

necessities like food and So we walked

44:44

past a a bunch of women. The missionary walked us

44:46

into a room where there was this group

44:48

of women that were so filled

44:50

with joy. and they had this peace about them. And I said, who are

44:52

these women? And the missionary said, these

44:54

are the Christians. And so what the

44:56

missionary did was

44:58

she would try to lead some of

45:00

the women to the Lord. She'd witnessed to everybody. And the ones who received the Lord,

45:02

she worked with them, helped them

45:05

make greeting cards so that they

45:07

wouldn't have to resort to other means

45:10

of of, you know, making money. But it was

45:12

just so stunning to me to see that in this

45:14

terrible place where the women

45:16

were many were in their

45:18

unjustly. They had joy.

45:20

They had peace. They had a greater joy in

45:22

a peace than I think I've ever possibly

45:24

known. and that really spoke to me that the truth of the gospel, the

45:26

beauty of the gospel is that no matter

45:28

what your circumstances are,

45:31

no matter what your financial

45:33

situation, your marital status, whatever, you know, your sexual

45:36

proclivities are, whatever your

45:38

situation, the gospel

45:40

is enough. matter where

45:42

you are, you can have that deep

45:44

abiding joy. And it's

45:46

kinda like, you know, I think a lot of Christians when

45:48

we hear these lies, they think, well, what should

45:50

I do? and I think what we

45:52

should do is what Paul did.

45:54

Paul said we spread the fragrance of the

45:56

knowledge of Christ. And he said to

45:58

those who are perishing, it smells

46:00

like death, but to those who are being

46:02

saved, it smells like life. And so

46:04

our job as Christians is to

46:06

spread that fragrance. The gospel has a

46:08

smell. Right? We we speak the

46:10

truth of who God is. And

46:12

and some people, it's gonna stink.

46:14

We're gonna stink to them. But

46:16

to people who are open, to people who the

46:18

Holy Spirit is working on their heart. This

46:20

is gonna smell like life and hope and

46:22

peace. And I think that here in

46:24

America, we've lived with a certain

46:26

sense of comfort, being able to express our ideas maybe until, you

46:28

know, recently. And and now

46:30

we're experiencing maybe just

46:32

a small taste of what most

46:34

Christians have experienced all throughout

46:36

history and that's great opposition

46:38

to what we believe. And so I think it's time for

46:40

us to kinda get a backbone

46:42

and start spreading that

46:44

fragrance knowing that there are gonna be

46:46

people out there to to that

46:48

we really stink to.

46:50

But God will draw the ones who are open

46:52

and who he's working on. And that's the

46:54

beauty of it. Is that's our job, is just to

46:56

spread the fragrance. And you can learn

46:57

a lot

46:58

more in the brand new book by

47:00

a Lisa called live your truth and other lies, exposing popular

47:02

deceptions that make us anxious anxious

47:05

exhausted and self obsessed.

47:08

Alyssa, where can people follow you and get more information

47:10

about you and your ministry? Well,

47:12

you can go

47:13

to alyssa Childers dot com. Of course, I'm

47:15

on YouTube. Just search my

47:17

name, Alisa Childers, and there's the Alisa

47:20

Childers podcast if you prefer the audio

47:22

platforms. But I did wanna let your

47:24

audience know, Frank, that we did have

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a preorder bonus where

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47:36

information when I was thinking when I wrote each

47:38

chapter, but what we're gonna do for your audience is if they put the word Frank

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47:46

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47:48

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47:57

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47:58

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48:22

Lord willing. God bless.