0:01

does truth exist

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does

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god exist

0:09

if you apply the claim to itself, is

0:13

that true? they don't think

0:16

christianity is true there

0:18

talked out of it you know, why they're

0:20

talked out of it because they've never talked

0:23

into

0:23

it cross-examining skeptical,

0:25

and a theistic view welcome

0:28

to cross-examine with doctor

0:31

exit exit me

0:33

ask you a few a if

0:35

you lived in the south and the

0:38

sixty would you have

0:40

sixty post slavery or

0:42

if you lived in germany in the nineteen

0:45

thirties germany the nineteen forties

0:47

would you have opposed the nazis would

0:51

your pastor have opposed

0:53

slavery or oppose the

0:55

nazis the robot

0:57

uber many the pastor's i see out there

0:59

they won't even oppose baseball

1:02

and yet you're saying they would have oppose slave

1:04

owners many of them

1:06

won't even oppose twitter what

1:09

you're saying they would have spoke their minds to

1:11

the nazis matthew

1:14

question does your pastor speak

1:16

the truth of the scriptures even

1:19

on the most controversial topics that

1:21

are now political hot potato

1:23

does your pastor talk about those things

1:26

do you talk about those things no

1:28

no no no we can't talk about those things right

1:30

we're just supposed to preach the gospel

1:32

right we could keep people out of the

1:34

kingdom if we start talking about controversial

1:36

topics right well my

1:38

guess today who's been a guest on this program

1:40

many times before we're honored to have a me as

1:43

his own program a daily show

1:45

it's call be eric metaxas show

1:48

though no you know who he is he's the best selling

1:50

author of fourteen books we've had him

1:53

on many times for many of these

1:55

great books one of them of course probably

1:57

most popular book out imagine is is the

1:59

barn for biography dietrich

2:01

bonhoeffer who as you know was

2:03

a pastor a martyr a profit

2:06

and a spy in germany doreen

2:08

the nazi regime he also

2:11

eric metaxas said wrote the book amazing grace

2:13

about we him wilberforce he's also

2:15

written a great biography of luthor

2:17

and many other books he

2:20

his show isn't about three hundred

2:22

a radio stations every day

2:24

across the country he is written

2:26

in some of the top newspapers

2:29

and magazines in america

2:31

and he and his family live in new york city so here

2:34

is ladies gentlemen the great

2:42

hi mom i'm thrilled to

2:44

be back with you are you make

2:46

me smile you make me smile does your

2:48

voice of truth encourage out there thank

2:50

you well thank you brother

2:52

as are you now this new book

2:54

is gonna raise some eyebrows with people

2:57

who are a little bit cautious the

2:59

new book eric is a letter

3:01

to the american church then

3:04

let's just started to top this

3:07

letter to the american church what's

3:09

this what's the basic theme of

3:11

it and why did you decide right now well

3:15

this is a chilling thing i've never written a book like

3:17

this i

3:19

had a feeling i don't know maybe year

3:21

ago that i

3:24

had some things that needed to be said to

3:26

draw some parallels with the silence

3:28

of the german church in the nineteen thirties

3:31

with the idea that the american troops is being

3:34

silent the day in

3:36

that if you really want to think why

3:38

is america going to hell it is

3:40

because of the silence of

3:43

the americans

3:44

kirk

3:45

and i don't say these things

3:47

lightly or on say these things cavalierly

3:49

i really feel it was the lord

3:52

who wanted me to say these things i was going to

3:54

publish you know it's a very

3:56

short book or the shortest book i've written

3:59

but i said i have to say the things i was going to publish it

4:01

myself the weirdly

4:04

my publisher salem

4:07

books they published my book or

4:09

his atheism dad and my book

4:11

fish out of water they met

4:13

with me the inner be in this had a weyrich we got some

4:15

ideas for some books we think you want to right

4:18

at the top of the list they pretty much describes this

4:20

book and i said this

4:22

is very weird because i haven't told anyone

4:24

that i wanna write this book but

4:26

really i'm

4:28

hi

4:29

i felt a a

4:32

burden because imagine

4:34

you know if you're going to write something with a title letter

4:36

to the american church you know like letter to the

4:38

seasons was it's you better know

4:41

the what you're saying is what god is trying to

4:43

say to his people and not what you

4:45

eric metaxas have some ideas

4:47

on are some opinions on so i wrote it

4:50

it's very soberly written books

4:52

i try to take a statesman like tone

4:55

i'm not pointing fingers were being

4:57

i'm i'm i'm i'm not trying

4:59

to be incendiary i'm trying to reason

5:02

we're is people

5:04

in the american church and say listen folks

5:07

i don't know who

5:09

said it lot of people think bahnhof or said

5:11

it i don't think he said it but there's a famous quote silence

5:13

in the face of evil is itself

5:16

evil nine to speak is to speak

5:18

not to act is to act god

5:20

will not hold us guiltless

5:22

them i said

5:24

the silence of the german church in the thirties

5:26

is what led to the

5:28

nightmare the holocaust

5:31

of the nazis taking over most

5:34

of those german people and german pastors

5:37

they didn't know that they were helping satan

5:39

they didn't know what was with the future

5:41

held that god

5:43

sends his profits and

5:46

he sent bahnhof or to try to wake

5:48

them up and they

5:50

blew it off they said he's a hot head

5:52

he's wrong everything's gonna be fine

5:55

just keep your nose clean will at the hotheads

5:57

take the heat is on offer and his friends

5:59

wanted loud mouth we're just gonna we're

6:01

just gonna go along with as gonna preach the gospel

6:04

we don't want the nazis to shut us down from preaching

6:06

the gospel so we're going to keep our mouths shut

6:08

on the injustices being done not

6:10

just to the jews but in in every other part

6:13

of life we're going to be silent

6:15

and

6:16

many of them thought they were doing the right thing and my

6:18

contention in this book is that this is exactly

6:21

frank exactly what

6:23

is happening in the american church

6:25

today people have been persuaded

6:28

through a theological

6:30

arguments which are deeply wrong

6:32

that we should just quote unquote preach

6:35

the gospel would just stick the gospel related

6:37

issues that's the voice of the demo folks

6:39

because truth the is

6:41

a gospel issue and when people are suffering

6:44

ah when you're dealing with unborn being

6:46

killed when you're dealing with

6:48

every kind of lie being spread in our

6:50

school systems as through our media

6:53

through social media if you do

6:55

not speak up god

6:57

will not hold you guiltless god wants

6:59

his people to speak the

7:01

truth and it's because of the silence of the church

7:03

in america that we

7:05

have been very dramatically

7:08

speeding eyes to

7:10

the abyss most people can see it then

7:12

i said i i want to write a book to

7:15

the american church to help them understand how

7:17

it is that many of us have been silenced

7:20

and why we must speak

7:23

why we must be brave i will say this

7:26

i was gonna title the book faith

7:28

without works is dead because

7:31

i think a lot of nice we talk about truth you

7:33

talk about and i talk about a lot of christians

7:35

we talk about truth but if you don't

7:37

live the truth you

7:39

mark the truth it's one thing is i believe

7:41

in this in this i believe all these things and i

7:43

think god and the devil they don't really

7:45

care what you say you believe are you living

7:48

what you believe because it's one thing to say

7:50

i believe something but to live that that's the point

7:53

of believing it and i think a lot of evangelicals

7:56

we have been persuaded that it's

7:58

just what's what's in my head what i say

8:00

i believe

8:01

god

8:02

this is not interested in what we

8:04

say we believe these interested in where

8:07

do we actually believe it and how

8:09

we live our lives what we're willing to

8:11

risk shows what

8:13

we really and truly

8:15

believe and i think it's time for the church to

8:18

begin to live out his

8:20

face by being bold

8:22

by speaking the truth when it's uncomfortable if

8:24

we don't do that we're already judged

8:27

in fact eric in the book and again friends

8:30

the book is called and it's brand new it's

8:32

coming out september twentieth so if you're here in

8:34

this just before september twenty fifth preorder

8:36

it's fifth read the entire book entire read

8:38

it and just and few hours is not a long book but

8:40

it's a powerful book it's called letter to the american

8:42

church by eric metaxas

8:44

and eric you point

8:47

out for errors that we make

8:49

in thinking that christians are

8:52

not be involved in politics at all or

8:54

any issues here

8:56

are the four and what will pick them up right

8:58

after the break, one is a misunderstanding of

9:01

the the faith you just touched on that a minute ago

9:03

will come back to it s is what

9:05

you call the of evangelism i

9:07

hope the cover that and a a little bit more detail after

9:10

break the third, are we make,

9:12

his thinking, there is command, be not

9:14

political like, somehow that's in the in the bible

9:16

somewhere and we can address that issue and

9:19

the fourth are is thinking

9:21

that merely avoiding sin,

9:23

is the of the christian life we're just

9:25

supposed to avoid and and not do anything else you

9:27

just wait for god to gonna take us away not

9:30

the real christian life and after the breaker,

9:33

taxes is going to to unpack, some of those so,

9:35

don't go anywhere you're listening to, don't have enough

9:37

faith to be an atheist with me frank turek, on the american

9:39

family radio network, my guest today is eric

9:42

metaxas eric metaxas calm

9:44

his brand new is

9:46

a letter to the american church pick

9:49

it up we're back and just two minutes

9:51

go anywhere

9:59

the bureau on the have them dial

10:02

looking for national public radio go

10:04

no further were actually gonna say the truth

10:06

here that are insane anyway you're never gonna

10:08

hear this on npr my

10:10

guess is eric metaxas

10:12

of the earth miss actually show offer for see

10:14

best selling book among men

10:16

on harper amazing grace

10:19

is easy as is dead and the brand

10:21

new one letter to the american

10:24

shirts as it were talking about he before get

10:26

back to erica want to mention the albeit winthrop

10:28

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10:35

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10:43

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10:46

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10:49

night september twenty seventh

10:51

winthrop university open to all the me

10:53

go back to my friend eric metaxas eric the new book

10:56

letter to the american church he talked

10:58

about four years we

11:00

make thinking that christians should not get

11:02

involved in his controversial or political issues

11:04

the first one you mentioned his we misunderstand

11:07

the meaning of the word faith in you unpack

11:09

that course a little bit what does that amount

11:12

you know we have to understand that when people

11:14

do things wrong why

11:17

why did they do things wrong harper

11:20

and a lot of the books of of my book

11:22

letter to the american church i'm taking my

11:24

lead from born hopper i refer

11:26

to him a lot and he wrote a book the

11:28

call the costs of disciple

11:31

ship and in that book he deals with the concept

11:33

of cheap grace president race

11:36

who could argue with grace i could argue

11:38

with say who could argue with any these we can't argue

11:40

that well no but what if it's defined

11:42

in a way that really makes ally

11:45

of the real thing okay real

11:47

grace is costly

11:49

grace real grace cost

11:52

the lives of the son of god

11:54

i'm across so if you throw it around

11:56

like they were under grace man is you

11:59

don't understand the word grace

12:01

that is heavy stuff what would

12:03

that cost it's similar with

12:05

the idea of faith and i read about that in the book we say

12:08

it's all about faith lose i mean i wrote a whole

12:10

book a biography of martin luther and

12:12

he talks about it safe alone faith alone

12:14

any think okay what do you mean

12:16

by that is it real say

12:19

if it's real face yes your

12:21

saved by say what have you

12:23

paid is a fig leaf what have you paid as a game

12:25

you're playing you saved i believe this

12:28

in this in this neck so doesn't matter what i do

12:31

well god has a different perspective

12:33

god says in

12:35

the book of james faith without

12:38

works is dead and another words

12:41

if your face is not lived

12:43

out in your life then

12:46

it's proof to god and prove to the devil

12:48

and prove to your friends and proved your enemies you

12:50

don't really believe

12:52

what you claim to believe the

12:55

when you use the word face

12:57

and you don't live it out you're playing a game

13:00

you're using the term face and what you're

13:02

really saying is that will this is what i

13:04

believe intellectual god

13:06

is not interested god doesn't look on the brain

13:09

he looks on the heart he looks on who

13:11

you are how you

13:13

live shows what you

13:15

believe and somehow in

13:17

the evangelical church we've drifted

13:20

away from that we say well that's

13:22

you know that's a catholic stuff that's works

13:24

that's what no no no no no folks

13:26

if you do not live out

13:28

your face people don't look at you

13:30

and say i know what the guy believes

13:32

because of the way he lives he subscribing

13:35

with his girlfriend and he'd

13:37

a he used to be really are rude

13:40

ah to his wife worked to his parents

13:42

were to with some things obtain like i

13:45

i could see he was what he believes

13:48

now

13:49

the point is when you say what you believe

13:51

it's going to be carried

13:53

out in how you live we're not perfect but

13:55

the point is that god is

13:57

marked when we say we believe things sophie

13:59

the somebody it's all about feed

14:02

sober what you believe what do you believe me so i believe

14:04

what to go to the website of my

14:06

church in you'll see a statement of faith that's what i believe

14:08

or the may seem creed or the bible that's what i believe

14:11

you realize that that's a lie if you're not

14:13

living that safe out it

14:15

doesn't matter that you're tweeting you say you

14:17

believe that you're not fooling god

14:19

you're not fooling the devil you're pulling

14:22

yourself so i think

14:24

a lot of us in the evangelical church have

14:26

kind of walked onto this idea of

14:28

space it's not safe that's

14:30

lived out his his intellectual enlightenment

14:33

idea of i believe these things

14:35

better do you can do you live those

14:37

things have a question what i talk one of the book is not

14:39

that what you say bleep the devil believes in

14:42

god right and the demons

14:44

believe okay so so it's

14:46

not that you believe whether someone exists

14:48

or whatever the the thing is in whom do you

14:51

trust whom do you give your

14:53

life or to whom do you give your

14:55

life do you give your whole life to god if you give

14:57

your life to god and trust in god and

14:59

and are willing to live for him even

15:01

when it costs you then we know

15:04

you really have faith in

15:06

god so that

15:08

was something has happened in the evangelical church

15:10

so that we've gotten to a point whether

15:13

lot of people and they don't seem to understand

15:15

that your character how you live

15:18

the is a picture your

15:20

faith it's not an intellectual thing

15:23

and somehow we have allowed

15:25

this idea to move

15:27

along the route through

15:29

through life and we we no longer talk about

15:31

character we no longer talk about

15:33

our courage do you have the courage

15:35

to stand up for what you believe or isn't

15:37

enough that you just lock it in there and say i believe it intellectually

15:40

know we're supposed to live it out and i

15:42

realize and are and i am i make

15:44

the case in the book that the reason the

15:47

things are going to hell in america is

15:49

because many in the church including

15:51

many many church leaders have shrunk

15:54

from this idea that i have to live out

15:56

my faith know sacrificial specifically

15:59

frank i'm talking

15:59

it is

16:01

you know when people say

16:03

all i care about as gospel related issues

16:05

i only care about evangelism are only care about

16:07

you know they they forget

16:10

that we are to live out our faith

16:12

in every sphere so when

16:14

somebody says one plus one equals three

16:17

if i'm around somebody that i and

16:20

i want to show them the love of christ i'm going

16:22

to say to them know that that's not right is

16:24

one plus one equals equals to

16:26

if you go one plus one equals street yeah

16:28

that's gonna lead you to disaster i'm telling you

16:30

that cause it's true and because i care for you i love

16:32

you somebody says there

16:34

are more than two genders

16:37

if somebody says that it doesn't matter who

16:39

you sleep with it somebody tells you

16:41

critical race there is a good thing if

16:43

somebody tells you that ah of blm

16:46

this this organization is a good

16:48

organizations it's not a marxist

16:50

organizations when people speaking these

16:53

things that are not true if you keep silent

16:56

because you think it's going to help you may be

16:58

somewhere down the line evangelize

17:00

that person you have already been silenced

17:03

and you are already participating in

17:06

lying and lying really think that many

17:08

and the american church we kind of compartmentalize

17:10

this stuff with several these are gospel related

17:12

issues and i'm thinking don't you think

17:15

the actually writing the book about wilberforce

17:18

in his day he spoke against slavery why

17:20

because he thought the bible and his faith in

17:23

the in the the god of the bible compelled

17:25

him to speak up for those who

17:27

had no voice for the african slaves he must

17:30

speak up tons of people in his

17:32

day christians christian leader

17:34

said hey

17:35

shut up

17:36

keep your politics out of faith keep

17:38

your face out of politics these

17:40

are not related and he said where

17:43

do you ever get the idea they're

17:45

not related on the contrary i

17:47

am going to live out my faith in

17:49

every sphere if if

17:51

it happens to be in politics if

17:53

it happens to be in the culture if i have

17:56

to lose friends over this issue hi

17:58

i'm going to be god's then it if i believe

18:01

in god and i'm in a speech is truth and so

18:03

he gave his whole life over

18:05

to speaking out against the slave

18:07

trade but i want to be clear times

18:10

of christians told him shut up

18:12

do not bring that into

18:15

this don't bring politics interfaith don't

18:17

keep them separate bahnhof was

18:20

told by tons of german christians

18:22

shot up that is not

18:24

important we need to focus on quote

18:27

unquote preaching the gospel don't speak against

18:29

hitler don't speak against just shut up

18:31

it's not your job to talk about that

18:33

and how many in the church today we're

18:35

doing exactly the same thing were being silenced

18:38

because we've been persuaded somehow

18:41

the only thing that matters

18:43

is this idea the

18:46

vandalism and i think to myself you know

18:48

what if you want to lead somebody

18:50

to face if you live out your

18:52

face heroically and speak the truth

18:54

when it's not popular that's attractive to

18:56

people people look at you and they go wow

18:59

i don't know where know where the courage that's

19:02

very interesting because i'm afraid i'm afraid i might

19:04

lose my job i'm afraid i might lose my

19:06

neighbors approval i'm i might when

19:08

you see courage you see

19:11

this person is is is not afraid

19:14

they somehow have a source and

19:16

that's powerful so ironically there

19:19

times when we speak the truth and people

19:21

look at us and go wow i'm i'm attracted

19:23

to that i don't know i don't know what i think of what

19:25

you're saying but there's something they are that's compelling

19:27

when we keep our mouths shut because

19:30

we say i don't want to spend any one i don't want to drive

19:32

anybody away from are safe the

19:34

question is what kind of faith you have what kind of empty

19:36

gospel using you breaching if

19:38

you are being silenced on all

19:41

of these issues which by the way are affecting other

19:43

people use post the love other people he throws

19:45

the lives self sacrificial eats and speak

19:47

up for the sake of of people

19:49

all around the country you'll never meet for people around

19:51

the world speak the truth so

19:54

it's it's it's all related that's

19:57

how you love people love tell the truth you don't love

19:59

them by line

19:59

them are being silent when they're actually are

20:02

, the thumb of a particular

20:05

ideology or law that

20:08

is going to hurt them and you point that out a lot

20:10

again the book is called i

20:12

the lead or letter to the american

20:14

church for my guest irk metaxas

20:17

a ercot pub let's talk a little bit

20:19

about what will pick it up more after the break we got break

20:21

couple minutes for the break if you do have a

20:23

provocative chapter on

20:25

the idol of evangelism

20:27

yeah and this is where you know you keep

20:29

get an hour would just post a preach the gospel

20:31

if we get involved the outtakes involved may turn people

20:33

off to be lost for eternity how to respond

20:36

at go ahead

20:37

the idol of evangelism he dismisses

20:39

the chapter title

20:41

one of the the chapters in his book and i think

20:43

it's gonna be the most provocative

20:45

because people think vandalism possibly

20:48

be wrong

20:49

with evangelism in the answer of course is

20:51

nothing

20:53

the last

20:54

you misunderstand that being

20:57

an evangelist doesn't mean being

20:59

silent on every other

21:01

issue accept salvation i think a lot of

21:03

christians have been last we persuaded

21:06

that all we're supposed to care about is preaching

21:09

the quote unquote gospel

21:11

as though biggest to could could be reduced to

21:13

you know john three sixteen or something in

21:15

the rest the bible doesn't matter speaking truth

21:17

doesn't matter are living

21:19

out your face in love self sacrificial

21:22

he doesn't matter just stick to

21:24

trying to get people converted i think ironically

21:27

if you speak the truth

21:29

heroically you that's

21:32

attractive to people who don't know god

21:34

they say that person has has courage

21:36

and they believe in something and a half of what they're

21:38

saying seems exactly right on nobody else

21:40

is saying it so we

21:42

have to put aside this idea that i

21:44

can only speak and put on court gospel

21:47

related issues anything related to the

21:49

truth these a gospel

21:51

related issue and some passers

21:53

have falsely put out this idea that

21:56

i shouldn't talk about any these hot button issues

21:58

it is our duty as believers to

22:01

speak the truth the truth in love

22:03

we don't speak it like we don't care

22:05

about the people whose feelings

22:07

might get hurt were course we do it's why we

22:09

speak the truth in love because we care

22:12

about people and if they take it wrong

22:14

or wrongly the know that's on them

22:17

the idea that we can

22:19

never say anything controversial because god

22:21

forbid i might drive somebody away

22:24

from the church or or whatever free say

22:26

something on if i speak about

22:28

the unborn if i speak against other

22:32

, may say well i don't agree with with

22:35

the care the served

22:37

metaxas ladies and gentlemen were back in just

22:40

two minutes talking much

22:42

more about the concepts of

22:44

his book letter to the american

22:46

spirits it's a wake up call ladies and gentlemen

22:49

it off he comes out december

22:52

twentieth and we're back exists human

22:56

the

23:05

ferry only going the way of

23:07

the german church in nazi

23:10

germany where , are

23:12

just being silent silent

23:14

the major issues of the of lower

23:17

methodically says we are and

23:20

that's what letter to be american church is all

23:22

about how can we speak

23:24

up and should we speak up what

23:27

about people who are saying we should

23:29

just preach the gospel or which started

23:31

talking about that a little bit in

23:33

the last segments and

23:35

you're pointing out that people need

23:38

to speak the truth as

23:40

, point out in the book bahnhof

23:42

are called the church the conscience

23:45

of the nation how is

23:47

the church the constants of the nation or

23:51

that's exactly right this is the issue i

23:53

actually believe if the church

23:56

were to speak up boldly and heroically

23:58

and all of the issues that

24:00

your average american is thinking what is

24:02

happening like who decided

24:05

that boys can become girls and girls can

24:07

become boys what's what's going eyes anybody

24:09

taken a stand against that what

24:11

is happening now if you have a biblical view

24:14

you know that that's wrong but

24:16

if you don't speak up about it i mean we

24:19

have no excuse as believers because

24:22

first of all of you have compassion or young

24:24

person who's confused they they've

24:26

been in a school where they have been led into this

24:28

confusion if you love that

24:31

young person you want to help that

24:33

person not by these lies

24:35

is the same thing if it if there's a young person struggling

24:38

with his sexuality you don't want to say to him

24:41

fantastic keep going

24:43

or that's who you are you need

24:45

to own that and forget about what other people

24:47

think you want to see the present at that's not who you

24:49

are according to the god that

24:51

i know who loves you

24:53

got has got has plan for

24:56

you

24:56

we need to be bold about these things

24:59

there are parents who don't have faith

25:01

who are are kind of wondering what's

25:03

going on if christians will speak up about this

25:05

in a loving way if

25:08

we will speak against critical race

25:10

theory which is more divisive

25:12

than ridiculous that that than anything if

25:15

we will speak against all

25:17

of these things that we know are true ironically

25:21

the people who do not have faith are going to look to

25:23

us and go that guy

25:25

has courage he is saying what

25:27

i know is right and and

25:30

i'm attracted to to

25:32

to those ideas everybody elses quiet

25:34

many people in the church or doing just the opposite the think

25:37

by being quiet we're

25:39

going to attract people to our

25:41

faith what we we are not

25:43

that's not going to happen listen i speak in churches

25:45

all around the country the churches that have been bold

25:48

that i've been not been afraid to speak on these

25:50

hot button issues have exploded

25:52

in numbers people want that kind

25:54

of truth believers wanted the

25:56

people on the fence who aren't sure

25:59

what they believe they may they're christians whatever they're

26:01

attracted to that kind of leadership and

26:03

many non believers had decided

26:05

that's a killer church i could go to they're not afraid

26:08

to speak up against the lies the propaganda

26:11

that the insanity coming out

26:13

of a biden ministrations the let that

26:15

there are people who are willing to speak

26:18

up most americans are attracted

26:21

to that kind of boldness in that that

26:23

kind of truth telling but the irony is that we've

26:25

got tons of pastors in the country

26:28

who say just the opposite are i'm going up on

26:30

want to bring that up i might offend someone

26:32

in my congregation those churches

26:35

are losing membership

26:38

so it's kind of an amazing thing god cause

26:40

us to be bold he calls us to be the church

26:43

and what i'm here to say mainly

26:45

frank is that it is because of

26:47

the silence of the american church and the silence

26:49

of american church leaders that

26:52

america is going to hell in

26:54

a handbasket going to hell with the speed of light

26:56

because it is the job of the church the lord

26:58

is appointed us you

27:00

fearlessly speak the

27:03

true and it really says

27:05

something about our face when we're

27:07

when we're not doing that this there's actually another

27:10

thing that if it brings up

27:12

is that i think a lot of people

27:14

you know they say they have faith in the god of the bible

27:17

but they're kind of more afraid

27:19

of making a mistake another is the they're

27:21

kind of they don't see dot is a loving

27:23

gracious god whose cheering them

27:25

on that they see god

27:27

as kind of like you know us a grim

27:29

policemen waiting for them to

27:31

make a mistake or say something they shouldn't say

27:33

and then wham he's gonna hit up in only think we'll

27:35

wait is that something out of scripture that's the devil

27:38

the devil as the or user he is the one i want

27:40

to cancel you when you say one thing

27:42

wrong or whatever and i write

27:44

this a chapter on the parable of the talents

27:47

that kind of speak to this issue bahnhof

27:49

her was speaking to this issue your faith

27:52

is supposed to be an active say

27:54

living out your face fearlessly

27:57

because you know that god is a got of greece even if

27:59

you screw up he loves you he'll forgive

28:01

you if you don't know

28:03

who got his if you have a religious god

28:05

that your worshipping you mostly afraid

28:07

of making a mistake anything on this can to

28:09

keep my mouth shut

28:11

though there's a lot of theological

28:14

error behind the silence

28:16

of the church and what i try to do in the book is

28:19

help people understand how we got

28:21

to this place and why we need to

28:23

turn the as a

28:25

p because this country is being lost

28:28

we are under judgment if we continue to

28:30

be silence the judgment will fall

28:32

on us as it has been falling but it

28:34

will fall just as it fell on the german church

28:36

god will judge his

28:38

church when his church does not do what

28:40

he created it to do you know eric it's interesting

28:43

that these people who say they're just here

28:45

to preach the gospel they don't

28:47

seem to realize that what happens

28:49

in politics affect your ability to

28:51

preach the gospel i mean if

28:53

, don't think so go to north korea and

28:55

see if you can have the eric metaxas show in

28:58

north korea or the i don't have enough faith

29:00

to be an atheist show in north korea you

29:02

can rank is hilarious because

29:04

hilarious say this i say this wherever i

29:06

go what you just said i mean is this what you know why we're

29:08

friends i mean imagine

29:11

very small a here's here's another crazy

29:13

point right people talk about romans their need

29:15

that a whatever the authorities say i'm i'm

29:19

in america okay

29:21

you know the governing authorities are in america it's

29:23

called we are people we

29:25

the people have a responsibility

29:28

that you wouldn't have in most

29:30

of the times in history in most

29:32

places in the world we the people

29:35

have been deputies deputized by god

29:37

to govern ourselves so

29:39

when you advocate that role and

29:42

you give it to some bureaucrat are some deep

29:44

state or whoever is out there you

29:46

are ironically violating

29:49

romans thirteen in in that

29:52

place is a good friend of mine the

29:55

teeth juntas ah people should

29:57

go to his were blog it's called

29:59

wind power dot org

30:01

he makes this exact point wind

30:03

patch dot org not romans

30:06

thirteen it's not being violated

30:08

when christians speak up if

30:11

being violated when politicians

30:13

like joe biden tell the church to shut

30:15

up you think wait a second

30:17

we the people i have been

30:20

have been given a voiced by god in this

30:22

unique place called america to govern

30:24

ourselves and many people in the

30:26

church don't understand that so we

30:28

really have an amazing opportunity

30:30

but so far we've been blowing it

30:32

m you can tell that i

30:34

feel there is no doubt

30:37

that we will go the past

30:40

of germany if we do not

30:43

learn the mistake what happened

30:45

to the church in germany it's why wrote the book to to

30:47

clarify what are the mistakes that they

30:50

made if we continue

30:52

we are now making exactly the same mistakes

30:55

exactly if we do not

30:57

see it and repent speak

30:59

up boldly as though we believe what

31:01

we claim to believe we will be

31:03

judged exactly as germany

31:05

was judged so i believe the lord is using

31:07

his prophetic voice of born harper

31:10

the speak to the american church today

31:13

the and you mentioned in the book again the book is

31:15

called a letter thing american

31:17

church by eric metaxas that when you have

31:19

politics you do so because you are people

31:21

in you want what's best for them and of christians

31:24

don't stand up for the truth if christians they don't

31:26

stand up for the unborn orc

31:28

of christians don't stand up for the poor

31:30

of crysis don't stand up for marginalized

31:32

people who will we're supposed

31:34

to be doing that you know i was at at a conference

31:36

with our mutual friend charlie kirk

31:39

he had a pastor's conference out in california

31:41

a few weeks ago eric and there was a pastor

31:43

there who said this he said that

31:46

people in the pews wanna know that they are

31:48

not insane

31:49

they want to know that there are really two genders that

31:52

man that men can not become pregnant

31:54

that like does begin at conception that marriage

31:56

is between a man and woman and that you don't

31:58

solve old racism by it the new

32:00

racism in that socialism has failed

32:03

everywhere it's been tried and

32:05

when it is tried it hurts the poor the most

32:07

people want to be reminded that

32:09

they're not insane because the culture seems

32:11

to be says you're insane if you believe any of those

32:13

things i just mentioned are

32:16

and the silence of the pastor's

32:18

new on these issues is

32:20

making people think maybe

32:22

i'm a little crazy maybe i should keep my mouth

32:25

shut ah i'm only here to tell

32:27

you listen there's a chapter in the book and again

32:29

we're talking about my book a letter to the american church

32:31

does a chaplain buckled twelve thousand

32:33

pastors yes it is chilling

32:36

because here's the point in

32:39

germany in the early thirties three

32:42

thousand of the eighteen thousand

32:44

passengers the the protestant pastor

32:46

three thousand of them were willing

32:49

to stand bravely against

32:51

the nazis three thousand of the eighteen

32:53

thousand the other end

32:56

there were three thousand that were totally

32:58

pro hitler the

33:00

in the middle were twelve thousand the

33:02

would not commit there were twelve

33:05

thousand he said you know why i

33:07

don't want to lose my job and i want to lose my

33:09

congregation i'm going to keep my mouth

33:11

should let those three thousand suckers

33:14

those hotheads bahnhof run his friends let

33:16

them take the heat ominous see

33:18

which way the wind blows i'm gonna keep my mouth

33:21

shut i want to be or alive

33:23

when this is over those

33:25

twelve thousand pastors most

33:27

of whom knew what was right but but lacked

33:30

the nerve let's be honest lack the safe

33:33

to live out what was right

33:36

they were the ones that made it possible

33:39

the nazis and the devil to

33:41

destroy germany to destroy

33:43

innumerable millions of

33:45

lives it was the twelve thousand

33:48

and passes the ceremony gives us want to pass

33:50

i'm not gonna get involved we

33:52

have a lot of those pastors in america today

33:54

and i'm in this book there to

33:56

the american church i'm hoping to reach some of those passes

33:59

and to say please please

34:01

my brother do not go down this path

34:03

understand that god is a point and you

34:06

for such a time is this he has deputize

34:08

you see called you to that pulpit

34:10

he will take care of the numbers in your congregation

34:13

he will take care of your finances

34:15

whatever you just you trust god

34:18

then be willing to go where every

34:20

cause you to go and if

34:22

you really know god you know

34:24

that you can trust god even if he leads you

34:26

to the gallows you praise his name because

34:28

you realize oh by the way he defeated

34:30

death on the cross the lord is calling

34:33

us to that kind of faith right now

34:35

if you turn into jeremiah you're in a sister

34:37

and nobody listens to yeah oh well

34:39

at least you'll you'll you go to

34:42

bed with a clear conscience

34:44

knowing that you've done what's right you

34:46

leave the results to god eric

34:48

would just said thirty of second so or

34:50

seconds before the break or just

34:52

start the answer to this question what

34:55

is the spiral of silence and

34:57

how are both cowardice encourage

35:00

contagious this is

35:02

this is a big one and big do write about this

35:04

and books barlow silences the idea that when

35:06

you're quiet when you're should speak up when you

35:08

say amen to get this will pass will be quiet you

35:11

make it harder for the next guy to speaker you're

35:14

participating in the evil by being

35:16

silent when you speak you

35:19

are doing the opposite when you speak the truth

35:21

are tons of people looking you going was also

35:23

to said something i'd had enough

35:25

you could say that what was missing for me

35:28

how , behave what you say say

35:31

around you and god is with is i

35:34

whole disorder we're going to come back that's eric metaxas

35:36

ways zombies new book letter to an american

35:38

to the american church going to talk a lot

35:41

more about his right after the break university

35:43

daughter eleven afraid to be an atheist me frank

35:45

turk american family radio network in

35:48

just two minutes ago

35:56

on september twenty six ladies and

35:58

gentlemen see

36:01

if you take one for high

36:03

school in a bob and one for

36:05

sixth to eighth graders on the evidence

36:07

for christianity they're ,

36:09

to start on september twenty six

36:12

one is called why still going to have enough faith

36:14

be an atheist i will be your instructor there will

36:16

do several live zoomed human a

36:18

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36:20

then shanda fulbright will be leading

36:23

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36:25

get real so if you've got a sixth to eighth grader

36:27

and you want to learn or a help help that

36:30

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36:32

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36:34

them enroll in that course great for homeschoolers

36:36

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36:39

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36:41

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36:43

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36:46

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36:48

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36:53

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36:59

see it they're talking to my friend

37:01

eric metaxas his new

37:04

book is called letter to the american

37:06

church comes out september twentieth

37:08

a wakeup call you need to get the book

37:10

i've read the entire book or just

37:12

it is not a one book you can read it in read few hours

37:14

but it's a powerful book a a message you

37:16

need to hear in fact or let's talk fact little

37:18

bit about religious liberty because religious think christian separate

37:21

confused about religious liberty how do

37:23

you define that term and how has it been misinterpreted

37:25

overtime well that's

37:27

kind of the issue it's it's a big part of the reason

37:30

of why we are in the mess we're in especially

37:32

in american church but if the american church has messed

37:34

up america's gonna be messed up so the reason america's

37:36

messed up the news because the

37:38

church has misunderstood something's religious

37:41

liberty

37:42

the

37:43

let's just say that the founders

37:46

the the that the great men who

37:49

gave us the system of self government

37:51

which we don't deserve it's the most amazing

37:54

thing in the world that we govern ourselves they

37:56

understood that religious liberty

37:58

was at the heart of everything that

38:01

if you cannot live out your face

38:03

your a lack of faith whatever your faith

38:05

is that that is utterly free

38:08

at some point or

38:11

in the fifties and sixties or a lot

38:13

of these elites you know that really

38:15

weather and government or in other places they

38:17

began to miss understand

38:20

and twist this idea they said

38:22

oh when when justin socking

38:24

about a wall separating church and state

38:27

what he means is we've gotta keep

38:29

the church out of the state we've

38:31

gotta keep religious stuff out

38:33

of government out of culture and

38:35

you think wait a minute wait

38:37

a minute that's precisely

38:40

the opposite what

38:42

jefferson in the founders were talking about what

38:44

they were saying is that the government has

38:47

no right the state has no

38:49

right to push the church the

38:51

state has to allow the people we

38:53

the people to govern ourselves freely

38:55

including how we worship

38:58

how we live out our faith in fact

39:00

i go even farther the sound is understood

39:03

that without robust expressions

39:05

of safe we cannot govern ourselves

39:07

it's it's vital so something

39:09

happened in the cities in the sixties

39:12

were a lot of people began pushing

39:14

for what richard your new

39:16

house called the naked public square pushing

39:18

say out and saying that

39:21

we can have an america but but

39:23

say has to be private and

39:25

you think wait a second no no no no

39:27

no that's not biblical and

39:29

it's not what the founders of this country

39:32

wanted they understood that

39:34

sees has to be lived out

39:36

in every sphere so religious

39:38

liberty means that i am free not just the

39:40

worship in that building for couple hours on sunday

39:43

mornings i am free to take that

39:45

stays out of that building and live

39:47

it out and exercise my face

39:50

everywhere i go in the schools

39:52

in the workplace in that wherever i go i'm i'm gonna live

39:54

out my face a lot

39:56

of believers have internalized

39:59

this fall idea and seeing what my faith

40:01

should be private it's just this thing that

40:03

i have but when

40:05

i leave that building on sunday morning i'm going to bow

40:08

to the secular authority of the state folks

40:10

they have that kind of freedom in china

40:13

it's called no freedom at all it's allies

40:15

god want his church

40:17

to live our faith out

40:20

in the public square to speak

40:22

on issues that everybody's wondering what what's

40:24

going on what about the vaccine what about election integrity

40:27

what what about gender whereabouts people

40:29

want to know they want answers they

40:31

want to have conversations were to bring

40:33

are safe to bear on everything

40:36

then i realized that one of my heroes

40:38

he became my friend chuckles and he was always

40:40

talking about this he was always talking about the

40:42

idea that your face doesn't

40:45

stop on sunday morning

40:47

it doesn't stop when you leave that building

40:49

you carry your face you are the church

40:51

and and god designed us to

40:54

carry or face on the truth of god wherever

40:56

we go as a blessing the

40:58

people who haven't yet heard it as

41:00

a blessing the people who are hungry for

41:02

to through a confused about what's

41:05

going on in the world dot cause

41:07

us to do that now chuck colson always

41:09

quoted abraham paper a dutch

41:11

theologian and statesmen and kiper said

41:14

famously there

41:16

is not one square inch of all creation

41:18

over which jesus christ who

41:20

christ sovereign that's not say

41:23

mine the when somebody says

41:25

keep your faith in that religious corner there

41:27

isn't a religious corner your face is supposed

41:29

to enter politics it's supposed to enter

41:32

everywhere you go you to carry

41:34

the truth of god and many times

41:36

christians have been persuaded the that's not

41:38

the case and chuck colson

41:40

really stood strongly against in fact i write

41:42

about it in the box that he was

41:44

participating in something called the manhattan declaration

41:47

which was kind of modeled on the barman declaration

41:49

that the german church made in the early

41:51

thirties to say the church is the church

41:54

and we have complete freedom and and when

41:56

i can let the state the nazi state

41:58

bully asked on

41:59

these issues

42:01

colson saw already

42:04

this is fifteen years ago that the

42:06

christian church needs to to take a stand

42:08

and that we're not going to be bullied by the state

42:10

on issues of the unborn on issues

42:12

of of sexuality

42:14

the human person we have our faith

42:17

and we're going to speak that on these issues the state

42:19

has no right

42:20

well when he

42:22

was what am i right about this in the book

42:24

when when he was trying to

42:26

get pastures to sign the manhattan declaration

42:29

he got pushed back from from

42:32

people that i think are good people from

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pass the only mentions them i

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was a bag of the john piper

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mccarthy said none of them or not we just want to preach

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the gospel we don't want to get involved in that stuff

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we were and he was so ironically

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the very issue comes up

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over and over and over again good

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people get this wrong they think

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our faith is just supposed to be focused on the quote

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unquote gospel that we're not supposed to be

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involved in the political and he thinks mans

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if you were a slave or in eighteen

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oh too and you think i wonder

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if there's any christians out there who

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believe in their savior so

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strongly that they would speak out against

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slavery that they would speak up for me

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and for my children who are being ripped away from

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me a one of their any christians out there whose

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face touches on

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that issue if they will be

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silent because they don't wanna they

43:26

don't want any trouble they don't care about me they

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care about themselves i really believe god

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is shining light on his church today and it's exactly

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where we are today we have been silent

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on transgender we've been silent

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on sexuality we've been silence on

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the marxism that's infiltrating

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are everywhere you looked the democratic

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party has gone marxist

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left they are no longer a party of sam nunn

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if we are not awaits to the

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evil being done being america we say well

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that's just politics and politics want to have an opinion how

43:56

can you not have an opinion when some

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people are really trade droid

44:00

your ability even to speak though

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we're in extraordinary

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place frank i just have to say that i know

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that there are many people that god wants them to hear

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this message is why i wrote them a letter to

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the american church i don't want to

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be divisive be divisive speak what god

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is speaking to his church because we're

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in desperate times and what happened to the german

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troops which is a nightmare it

44:22

is happening to the american troops

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right now

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and unlock we wake up and

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do what they did not do in germany

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and unless we stop doing what they did

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unless we do something different than

44:34

what they did we are already going

44:36

down that path we need to know

44:39

that that is what is happening right now because the

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silence of the church america

44:43

is being destroyed meet me

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to a couple thoughts out here irk and then get your final

44:47

comments one is what you just said they're lot

44:50

of people going to say what you're trying to impose a theocracy

44:52

know we're not trying to legislate religion we

44:54

are trying to legislate morality all

44:56

laws legislate morality and the left

44:58

is trying to legislate it's morality

45:00

really it's immorality on people so if

45:03

good people don't stand up and say no we're not going to

45:05

take this then that's gonna be

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imposed the second thing that i think people don't realize

45:09

is that jesus got involved in politics directly

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you say how self who are the politicians of

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his day the ferriss vivid

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rome delegated much of the day to day

45:18

law making authority to them they were

45:20

on the sanhedrin and what a jesus say to

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them you neglect the way to your

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matters of the law you've neglected

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a weighty or matters of the law jesus

45:30

went after these people because they were governing

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improperly in in our country today

45:35

are congress would tell us what light bulbs

45:37

we can and can't use but they won't say don't

45:39

kill your children in the womb were

45:41

majoring in the minors in this country

45:44

were neglecting the way the or matters of the loss

45:46

and if people don't speak up as eric

45:48

points out in the new book letter

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to be american church we're going to get murdered

45:53

go to the point where not only are we not be able

45:55

to take care of the of of the unborn

45:57

or not to be able to answer the poor when i can be able

45:59

to there are people that need to be taken care of

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for not even be able to preach or with

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the gospel to we'd better get involved

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we better get involved soon now with that said

46:08

eric there's so much more in the book people

46:10

just need to get the book but i do want to give our

46:12

listeners and idea of where they can find out

46:14

more about you your radio program your website

46:17

tulsa little bit about that

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well i'd be really grateful since youtube

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wiped out my my ah

46:23

my radio program i ask everybody

46:26

please go to my website eric metaxas

46:28

dot com if you go to eric metaxas

46:31

dot com you can find all kinds of stuff

46:33

but you can certainly find my speaking schedule

46:35

i'm going to be speaking all over the country a

46:38

in the months ahead and you can sign

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up for my newsletter and once a week

46:42

i will send you a the interviews that i

46:44

do on my radio and tv program

46:47

since youtube has censored me and if you

46:49

want to know if this is real

46:51

the idea that i have been

46:53

my whole program was wiped

46:55

out by youtube because i dared to talk

46:58

on the stuff that they said oh you can't talk about that and i

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thought

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i'm an american i can talk about anything

47:03

i want who says that i can't

47:05

talk about that i'm a christian i'm

47:07

going to speak the truth in love and

47:09

a people died so that i could have

47:12

their freedom in this country so folks were

47:14

real living through this right now but

47:16

we should rejoice that the lord allows

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us to lived during a time when how you

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live your life it's going to affect millions

47:22

of people so i am ultimately hopeful

47:25

but this is an absolute warning

47:28

cry or to the church we

47:30

must have this i hope that people will give

47:32

a copy this book your passenger don't

47:34

play anything to see what he thinks thanks

47:37

so much eric that's eric mic taxes

47:39

earth miss taxes dot com make

47:42

sure you go and check it out with me

47:45

, v eight check

47:48

them out there the book letter

47:50

to there american church pick it up on frank

47:52

turner do about the online courses

47:55

and i'll see you here next week god bless