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The show is based in Washington, DC, but I'm

1:01

here in the Big Apple because tomorrow morning I

1:04

will be co-hosting Fox and Friends, 6

1:06

to 9 a.m. Eastern time. Looking forward

1:09

to that. I'll be up very early.

1:11

Hope you will join us on TV.

1:13

We've got a big lineup on the radio today.

1:15

We'll get to our first guest in studio in

1:18

just a moment. Coming up later in the

1:20

hour, Congresswoman Nicole Malia-Takis. Republican

1:22

New York, she was at Columbia yesterday

1:24

with Speaker Johnson. We'll ask her about

1:26

that situation. Shannon Bream has been watching

1:28

the Supreme Court today. Oral

1:30

arguments on the immunity case involving Trump.

1:33

January 6th, all of that. All

1:35

of it playing out while Trump is in court in

1:37

New York City on the

1:40

Alvin Bragg so-called felony case

1:42

involving hush payments to

1:45

Stormy Daniels. So a lot to cover with

1:47

Shannon. Looking forward to that

1:49

conversation. And then Brian Riedl from the

1:51

Manhattan Institute. There was some really

1:53

bad economic news that dropped today. Worse

1:56

than expected GDP growth in quarter one

1:58

and worse than expected. You

2:01

put those two together, it's not a good

2:03

picture for the U.S. economy and Bidenflation and

2:05

Bidenomics. We will get

2:07

the breakdown with Brian Riedel ahead in our final hour.

2:11

Joining me here right next to me in

2:13

his studio, quite frankly, is Brian Kilmeade, host

2:15

of the Brian Kilmeade show on Fox News

2:18

Radio, 9 to noon weekdays. And of course,

2:20

every day he's on the couch, co-host of Fox & Friends.

2:22

I'll be with you tomorrow. Looking forward to that. I'm filling

2:24

in for Steve. Have you picked out an outfit? You're ready

2:27

to go? I actually have. Yeah. Yeah,

2:29

I've got the suit ready to go. I've got the

2:31

tie in mind. You've got to look sharp when you're

2:33

competing, especially with all due

2:35

respect, the other male co-host. Lawrence. Because

2:38

Lawrence knows he's a sharp dresser. But you're a thin

2:40

guy. I think Lawrence is going to be on location where

2:42

he dresses like every man. He

2:44

dresses like – which is harder to do. Okay, so

2:46

in that case, I'll be fine. Yeah, he'll be fine. It's just

2:48

me. Okay. Well, then – Yeah, you can address me like that.

2:50

Oh, the pressure's off. Right. LJ's not

2:53

around. He's out there in the field. Right.

2:56

Right. Okay. Gene's going to be wearing jeans. I think

2:58

it's going to be much better. Brian, I saw you

3:00

were on the News Channel a little while ago talking

3:02

about this. Neither one of us, to my knowledge, are

3:04

attorneys, but we follow the news.

3:07

We're following this case, talking about the

3:09

New York case. What do

3:11

you make of it so far? Because the

3:13

legal talking heads seem to

3:15

be mostly in agreement that it's a very

3:17

weak case against Trump. But if you watch

3:19

some of our competitors in the TV space,

3:22

they're wall-to-wall on this, treating it like it's the

3:24

trial of the century. It is,

3:27

for them. It is it. This is the

3:29

moment, because no one's been watching, especially CNN.

3:32

So they have six or seven lawyers

3:34

say the same thing, except for Arthur Idala, who

3:36

does a great job over the last two days,

3:39

who just say, what are you talking about? There's no

3:41

crime here. What's the crime? Well, he's got to capture

3:43

and kill a story. That's not a crime. To

3:46

have a story be suppressed, not a

3:48

crime. To plant a story, not a

3:50

crime. To come together with a plan

3:52

to help yourself, help

3:56

your social life, whether it's your relationship or something

3:58

else, that is not a crime. How

4:00

many times do people plan stories in the Washington

4:02

Post? How many times the so-called sources with the

4:04

Hillary Clinton camp say they know exactly what her

4:07

plan is going to be to close out this

4:09

election? Will you get that source, unnamed source, to

4:11

tell you this? Or will there be some unrest

4:13

inside the Trump camp? There's Trump camp people, they

4:15

tell you this, they become a source. So

4:18

now you have other people planning a story

4:20

about Marco Rubio in the National Choir that

4:22

says whatever, and they have something on, I

4:24

believe, Ted Cruz that

4:26

says his father, he

4:29

says his father was in on the JFK assassination. It's

4:31

crazy. It's ugly. Oh, it

4:33

was in the Inquirer. So did that change the

4:35

primary? No. Of course

4:37

not. It's just dirty, gross politics. Right.

4:40

But it's just like the hush money payment to a porn star is

4:43

gross and dirty and unseemly. The

4:45

question is, is any of

4:47

this a crime? And I guess the

4:49

argument, again, as a non-lawyer has been, well,

4:51

if they categorized the

4:54

money that was paid to

4:56

Stormy Daniels a certain way

4:58

other than what the perfect

5:00

above-board fashion should have been,

5:03

that could be a crime. They're like, well,

5:05

that's a misdemeanor, and that expired like years

5:07

ago. So they had

5:09

to somehow turn this into like a

5:12

violation of federal campaign laws that the

5:14

feds even haven't charged here. They looked

5:16

at it. They didn't charge. Alvin

5:18

Bragg's predecessor looked at this, didn't charge. But

5:21

now leading into the election, they

5:24

dredge up this thing from years ago and dream

5:26

up a new way to make it two,

5:29

three dozen felonies and reach

5:31

to high heaven, Brian. It does.

5:34

And you have the President of the United States going

5:36

there to a court. They didn't fully define what the

5:38

charges were. So they said, well, just wait when

5:40

this thing goes to trial. Just wait. Okay,

5:42

we're waiting. What are the charges? So what

5:44

they're doing now, according to reports, and it

5:46

makes sense, they're all just trying to give

5:49

Michael Cohen some credibility and some corroboration because

5:51

when he gets on the stand in a

5:53

week or two or two days after Karen

5:55

McDougall, I think he's going to go

5:57

on there. And the first thing they're going to say is, weren't

5:59

you convicted? Then you have a tax invasion, weren't

6:01

you a part of this? Weren't you actually

6:03

constructing some of the scheme, orchestrating it? And

6:05

what is your greatest complaint? This

6:08

is the best line ever. John D'Arnaud Turley says,

6:10

I guess the main charge is that he listened

6:12

to Michael Cohen, his lawyer, and that's Michael Cohen's

6:14

axe to grind? Do you think Donald Trump was

6:16

orchestrating this? This is so, Michael

6:19

Cohen is so far behind it, when David

6:22

Pecker was asked, does Donald Trump know what

6:24

you were doing? He said, I assume so.

6:26

The defense says, objection. What do you mean

6:28

you assume so? Then I guess I may

6:30

strike it. Donald, you don't

6:32

know that Donald Trump knew about this, and

6:34

you can't say or assume it. That's not,

6:36

you can't use it as evidence. And Michael

6:39

Cohen has just no credibility, right? He'll say

6:41

whatever he has to say on behalf

6:43

of Trump until they have a falling out, and

6:45

now it's all negative to Trump. The guy

6:48

is admittedly a

6:50

criminal, Michael Cohen. I mean,

6:52

you're not dealing with high caliber, high

6:54

character people here. And I'm sure,

6:56

this is what I'm thinking, Brian. They're gonna have

6:58

this just cavalcade of people coming before the jury.

7:01

They're gonna testify, and it'll be a bunch of sorted

7:04

business, sorted stuff. It's like, okay, Trump, maybe

7:06

he was directing it, maybe he was winking

7:08

at it, maybe he had no idea or

7:11

some combination. Even under

7:13

the worst case scenario, where Trump's like

7:15

directing everyone to do precisely what

7:18

he wants, it's still

7:20

not a felony. Well, Guy, think about this.

7:22

One of the things they're saying is that

7:24

he manipulated election. This scheme affected

7:27

the outcome of our election. Let's back that up

7:29

a little bit, okay. How would

7:31

the election be affected if Hillary

7:34

Clinton didn't smash her server? What would have

7:36

been on that server that we found out?

7:38

What if Hillary Clinton didn't go outside her

7:40

campaign to hire Perkins Coie and Mark Elias

7:42

in order to scheme up this whole Russia

7:44

hoax situation? Which is what it's hard for.

7:47

Yeah, what if they didn't pay for the

7:49

Steele dossier? Yeah, what about, I mean,

7:51

all that, all that affects an election, and for those people,

7:53

say, let's take a step back from that. If

7:55

I knew about Karen McDougall, I wouldn't have voted for Trump,

7:57

if I knew about Stormy Daniels, didn't vote for Trump, really?

8:00

Did you hear the access Hollywood tape? It is those

8:03

two stories to the 20th power. And

8:05

he still won without a staff.

8:07

They all basically resigned. He still

8:09

won in the final hour. So

8:11

what are you saying? My hope

8:13

is that those two lawyers are

8:16

married more to the law than they are

8:18

to what might be at the New York

8:20

agenda and to two lawyers on the jury.

8:22

And they're just going to say, look, guys,

8:24

this is not a crime. That's who

8:27

my hope is. From what we know, seven days in,

8:29

five of the four of those days, making

8:32

a jury, not a crime. Yeah,

8:35

I mean, people to your last point,

8:37

I think this is worth thinking about because it's, they're

8:39

trying to claim its election interference. And it's like,

8:41

oh, it's a federal violation

8:43

of campaign

8:45

finance laws because they categorize

8:48

an expense this way instead of that way. And

8:50

it was, you know, paying off money to this

8:52

woman that he was having an affair with, allegedly,

8:54

he denies it. But I mean, I believe it.

8:56

I think he was absolutely doing it. And he

8:58

had all sorts of affairs throughout his life. People

9:00

know this about Donald Trump. No one

9:02

going into the 2016 election was sitting

9:04

there saying, I think Donald Trump has

9:07

been nothing but an upstanding citizen who

9:09

has always been 100% faithful

9:11

to his wives. I know I don't have

9:13

to tell you this, but Bill Clinton was

9:15

had a few things going on when he

9:17

was governor of Arkansas. Remember, they had the

9:19

Bimbo eruption team. So does that

9:21

mean if I knew about all the Bimbos,

9:24

I might vote for George H.W. Bush? I

9:27

don't think so. It was built in the

9:29

60 Minutes interview. You saw all these people

9:31

come out prior to it. Then you saw

9:33

the Paula Jones accusation. He still got reelected.

9:37

So at any point, we could go

9:39

back in the past. Now, if JFK

9:41

ran for reelection, when we now that

9:43

we know it went on in three

9:45

years, you'd imagine would have come out

9:47

in 2024 about JFK, probably a lot.

9:50

FDR, probably a lot, right? He basically

9:52

had a full-blown relationship and ignored his

9:54

wife for eight years. So that's a

9:56

pretty big deal. In this day and age,

9:58

I guess we would have impeached him. Or

10:01

he wouldn't have got elected. That's what we're

10:03

supposed to assume. Which I don't think passes

10:05

the smell test. So you've got – and

10:08

by the way, as I

10:10

said, to me, three of the

10:12

most important points on this from the legal standpoint

10:15

are what I said earlier, which

10:17

is, number one, they're trying to

10:19

say like they're enforcing federal campaign

10:21

finance laws that the feds themselves

10:24

did not want to charge on this. They looked at it

10:26

and said no. The guy before Bragg looked at

10:28

it and said no. And then the

10:30

judge presiding over the case, who

10:32

is so often siding with the prosecution

10:35

and with Bragg's office, the

10:37

man donated to Joe

10:40

Biden's campaign. Like

10:42

I am not – you know this about – I

10:44

am not a big Trump guy. I'm not waving the

10:46

red flag with the Make America Great again. But you're

10:48

fair to him. I'm fair to him,

10:51

I think. And when he's wrong and I went after

10:53

him yesterday on something where I disagreed and I sent

10:55

it, when I think he deserves

10:57

it, I say it. The judge

10:59

in New York City overseeing

11:01

this, I think, politicized to

11:04

the Hilt case. It's just bogus, BS.

11:07

The judge donated to Joe

11:09

Biden, the opponent of Donald

11:11

Trump in the last election, and now there's a

11:13

rematch. And you've got

11:15

the guy with the gavel in the black

11:17

robe sitting there up there on the bench

11:19

making all these decisions about whether or not

11:21

this man is going to potentially become a

11:23

convicted felon in time for the election. He's

11:25

a donor to the other guy's campaign. How

11:27

is that – I don't know. How is

11:29

that allowed? You know, they go – you're

11:31

making – you're going after his daughter. His

11:33

daughter is 35. His daughter's got a $4

11:35

million contract with Adam Schiff as a consultant.

11:39

I mean, you've got to be kidding me. So Adam

11:41

Schiff is the number-one rival of Donald Trump when he

11:43

was president of the United States and after. And he's

11:45

running for Senate right now. So the thing is, if

11:47

you're a judge, what they always say is – it's

11:49

so bizarre. The system has it. A judge will decide

11:52

if he or she should recuse himself. Shouldn't

11:54

we have an outside person decide if your

11:56

wire's across in a certain case or if

11:58

you think, hey, you know what? Juan

12:00

Massan, I know you pretty well,

12:03

buddy. It seems like you're pretty fixated on this

12:05

guy. I'm going to – I recommend I pull

12:07

you back. We're both in the

12:09

judge business. Pull back. Yeah, it's like

12:11

– and even just for public appearance, if

12:14

you want this to look legitimate on

12:16

the up-and-up, which too many Americans, including

12:18

non-Trump fans, it already doesn't, then

12:20

you put someone presiding over the

12:22

trial who donated to the Democrat

12:24

opponent of Donald Trump, and

12:27

now they're running against each other again, and

12:29

the guy's daughter is making millions of dollars

12:31

from the Democrats in this exact election cycle.

12:33

Can you not just find any

12:35

other judge in Manhattan who didn't donate to Joe

12:37

Biden? I mean, this is one of those dynamic

12:39

days with the immunity trial going on. The audio

12:41

was fascinating. And then when we got up today

12:43

at 6.30 in the morning, we got a note

12:45

last night that there was going to be a

12:48

6 a.m. Trump event. We

12:50

don't know what it is. Next thing you know, he's meeting with

12:52

the Seal Union. He's got 500, 200 to 500 people out there, and it is electric. And

12:57

we're going to it live, and prior to him

12:59

getting out of his SUV, they're chanting his name.

13:02

These aren't – these guys are legitimate hardhat guys

13:04

with Vets on. 500 guys

13:06

training his name in New York City, two blocks from his

13:08

place, and the guy comes out and speaks. Then

13:10

he comes and talks to the press. You know who doesn't

13:12

talk to the press? The president. No, it

13:14

doesn't take any interviews to the president. You've got

13:16

the former president with two active trials going

13:18

on, right? One, consequential trials. He goes –

13:20

he had to come up with $175 million

13:23

two weeks ago. He's

13:25

got the weight of the world on his shoulders, and

13:27

he walks over to a bunch of cameras and says,

13:29

throw out your questions. I mean, and

13:31

hearing him chant USA and Trump while he

13:33

does that in New York City. Union

13:36

guys. Union guys. It was so impr- – I mean, you

13:39

can't script that in the bodega thing. These

13:41

are one of the two big stories of the week. I was going to

13:43

say that I know you have to go here in just a second, but

13:46

he's kind of ball and chain tied to

13:48

New York for a while. He can't really

13:50

leave very much. The campaign's still figuring out

13:52

ways to get him out

13:54

of the courthouse into very

13:56

interesting settings, including the bodega,

13:58

highlighting crime. highlighting the unfairness of

14:01

Alvin Bragg, they've been making some smart

14:03

moves, I think. Big and

14:05

really good moves. And now they got – Columbia is

14:07

probably going to be a big decision after Speaker Johnson

14:09

got kind of yelled at. He looked good, but

14:11

if you put him into a hostile environment, he could

14:14

go south. Right now, we put him

14:16

into two very positive environments that aren't scripted. There's

14:18

no extras there like Hillary Clinton did. These

14:20

are real people. But the next question

14:22

is go to a supermarket, point out

14:25

how expensive everything is for New Yorkers. I

14:27

would go in front of the Danny Penny

14:29

Subway and say down here, a Marine stood

14:31

up and is a hero, and the same

14:33

guy that's screwing me is screwing him, Alvin

14:36

Bragg. Daniel Penny Station makes

14:38

a lot of sense. Going to the grocery store and

14:41

doing a little compare and contrast on the sticker

14:43

price, then maybe pay for some people's groceries. He

14:45

loves that kind of move. This

14:47

is kind of like the political chess game they're

14:49

playing when the powers that be are throwing everything

14:52

legally at him in this city

14:54

right now. Brian Kilmeade, we always listen to you

14:56

9 to noon on Fox News Radio. For

14:58

the previous three hours each morning, you're co-hosting Fox

15:00

and Friends. I'll be joining the party tomorrow morning.

15:03

Looking forward to that. They did a great show

15:05

with our studio, right? Oh, yeah, they put my

15:07

name up here. I said get Brian Kilmeade's name

15:09

out of here. I can't see her. I heard

15:11

you yelling. I can't stand the guy. I got

15:13

you a little early. I'm berating everyone. That's what

15:15

I'm bellowing at the time. They were crying as

15:18

usual. I mean, the beings will continue until morale

15:20

improves. On the Guy Benson show, Brian, thanks. Go

15:22

get them. Be right back after

15:24

this, just getting started on this Thursday from

15:26

New York. New talk

15:28

for a new generation, the

15:30

Guy Benson Show. I'm

15:37

Guy Benson. So I saw this. This is very

15:39

interesting to me. We talk a lot about polling

15:41

on this show, often to do with politics and

15:43

the presidential race, Senate races, etc. How

15:45

about this? This is a poll done

15:47

by Harvard of young Americans. So

15:51

18 to 29 year olds, the youngest voting

15:53

cohort. And they asked people

15:55

about their priorities, the issues that they care

15:57

most about, and there were 16... different

16:00

issue sets. Now, when

16:02

you hear the White House

16:04

and the Biden administration and Democrats and a lot

16:06

of people in the media talk about young voters

16:09

and the Democrats being concerned about young voters and

16:12

appealing to young voters, what issues

16:14

often come up these days at

16:17

the very start, the very top of the conversation,

16:20

climate change and

16:22

Israel and Gaza, right?

16:25

It's like, oh, well, Biden needs to

16:27

appeal to these young people. They're very,

16:30

very upset about Israel and

16:32

the war in Gaza. And climate

16:34

change is their existential issue. And if

16:36

they're not happy with the Democrats, then

16:38

they might not show up. So you

16:40

better, you better patter to them

16:42

pretty hard. But here's

16:44

the actual polling among 18 to

16:46

29 year olds right now.

16:49

Among 16 issues, the top

16:52

three, unsurprisingly,

16:54

are inflation, health

16:56

care, housing, basically

16:59

the cost of things, big things. You

17:02

know where climate change ranks list

17:05

of 16 all the way

17:07

down at number 12. Climate

17:10

change is at 12. The bottom third.

17:14

Know where Israel and Palestine is 15th out

17:17

of 16. Only

17:20

34% say like it's a big deal

17:22

for them. So

17:24

the ones who hate Israel and

17:26

support Hamas and are making these

17:29

encampments on these campuses and yelling

17:31

and screaming for the cameras and

17:33

threatening and menacing and assaulting Jews

17:35

on campus. Yeah, they're making a

17:37

whole lot of noise. But

17:41

of 16 issues facing Americans, Israel and

17:44

Palestine is number 15 out of 16

17:47

to young people in this Harvard poll. Isn't

17:50

that interesting? Like the conventional

17:53

wisdom says one thing, the activists are

17:55

very good at putting those

17:57

agenda items front and center making it seem

17:59

like these the top issues. They're not.

18:02

By the way, you want to know what dead last was? 16 out of 16?

18:07

You'll never guess. Student

18:09

debt. That's

18:11

the other one they keep talking about. You know,

18:13

I've got to forgive that student debt because of

18:15

the young people. It is dead last on the

18:17

issue, partially because they're not taxpayers yet. They're not

18:20

being asked to do the bailing out. Many of them are

18:22

being asked to bail out, but, or to be

18:24

bailed out, but this

18:27

goes to show that it's a

18:29

very small sliver of people, even

18:31

among young folks who are demanding

18:34

these bailouts. It's just an

18:36

inversion of what you see in the media

18:38

so often. Not

18:44

the same talking points here, but

18:46

Guy Benson Show. Thank

18:49

you for listening to the Guy Benson

18:51

Show. We're in New York City today,

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demand as soon as the show is

18:58

over. Well, on the program

19:00

yesterday, as we kicked off our middle hour,

19:03

we dipped in to some remarks

19:06

being given blocks from

19:08

here, uptown in Manhattan, at Columbia,

19:11

Columbia University, where the speaker of the house,

19:13

Mike Johnson, was making an appearance and standing

19:15

behind pro-Israel students, Jewish

19:17

students, and calling out the rampant

19:20

anti-Semitism and pro-terrorism

19:24

agitations that have happened on that campus now for

19:27

weeks on end. He

19:29

had some other members of Congress there with him in

19:31

solidarity. I was glad that he went. I know that

19:33

there was some shouting down and people

19:35

chanting at him and booing and all of that.

19:37

I don't really

19:39

see how that's much of a problem. You

19:42

had an American leader show up doing the right

19:44

thing and a bunch of thugs

19:46

who support Hamas heckling him. That's to

19:48

be expected. This is who they

19:50

are. They are the

19:52

dregs of society. Yes, including these

19:54

Ivy League snots, the

19:57

absolute dregs. Putin

20:01

had every right to be there. He was

20:03

right to be there. I

20:05

kind of wonder where, I don't know, some

20:07

of the New York representatives on the democratic

20:09

side were. Chuck Schumer,

20:11

for example, says he's very pro-Israel unless

20:14

he's calling for regime change in Israel in the middle of

20:16

a war. Chuck Schumer

20:18

is very pro-Israel. He says he's Jewish. He

20:20

represents New York. Where is Chuck Schumer at

20:23

Columbia? I

20:25

took a Christian from Louisiana to go up there and

20:27

say what's up, which needed

20:29

to happen. That's a show of leadership, and

20:31

as I said, he wasn't alone. One of

20:33

the other people there accompanying him is a

20:35

representative from New York. On

20:38

the Republican side of things, this should not be

20:40

partisan. We've had Richie Torres on the show. He's

20:42

been fabulous on this issue. But

20:44

Nicole Maliatakis from the 11th District here in

20:46

New York, she was part of

20:49

that delegation, and she joins us now. Congresswoman,

20:51

welcome back to the show. It's

20:53

great to be with you. Thank you. Could you

20:55

describe to us, before the public remarks that you

20:58

guys made and some of the jeering and the

21:00

chanting and all of that, what

21:02

did you experience when you met with

21:04

some of the Jewish students on campus

21:06

before the press conference? We

21:09

had a nice meeting with the

21:11

Jewish students in which they told

21:13

us basically that they're scared. They've

21:16

been threatened. They've been, some of

21:18

them, assaulted. Some

21:20

students have even been spat on. They've

21:22

had to see swastikas painted on campus.

21:25

Really terrible to imagine that this

21:27

type of anti-Semitism is occurring in

21:29

the United States of America, particularly

21:31

New York City, a place that

21:33

has been so welcoming, so diverse

21:36

forever. This is the

21:38

last place you'd think you'd see this type of anti-Semitism,

21:40

and yet here we are in

21:43

one of the most prestigious universities, supposedly,

21:45

in the country, an Ivy League university.

21:47

This is how Jewish students are being

21:50

treated. It was

21:52

really horrifying to hear from them, their

21:54

experiences. I felt saddened for them. They

21:56

were so grateful. They were so appreciative.

22:00

that Speaker Johnson made the trip to come

22:02

meet with them. You had to see them

22:04

smiling and how much they thanked him and

22:06

appreciated the support of members of Congress being

22:08

there to have their back. And

22:11

to come with the message that we

22:13

did, that anti-Semitism is not to be

22:16

tolerated anywhere in the United States, especially

22:18

our college campuses, in that we

22:20

needed to work together

22:23

to eradicate this all across America.

22:25

Yeah, a lot of these Jewish students,

22:27

I've heard from them across the country

22:29

now for months, they feel hung out

22:31

to dry, especially on campuses where the

22:33

administration won't stand up for what's

22:35

right, won't enforce basic law and

22:38

order or campus rules. And

22:40

they're allowing these mobs of terrorism

22:42

sympathizers to just run roughshod over

22:44

campuses. And Columbia is probably the

22:46

worst example, but certainly not the

22:48

only one. And we

22:51

keep getting these updated reports throughout the

22:53

day, Congresswoman, that the administration at Columbia

22:56

and the president at that school recently testified

22:58

before Congress didn't go very well, but

23:00

they're in negotiations with

23:03

the student protesters and the people who are

23:05

running this encampment that's not allowed to be

23:07

there. This is not something that's permitted.

23:09

They've been given warnings, they cleared it out

23:12

once and they just came right back and

23:14

the schools are sort of like, whoa, well,

23:16

I guess let's just negotiate. Why are

23:18

they negotiating? Just assert authority

23:21

and take care of the problem. Yeah,

23:24

it's absolutely ludicrous. Actually,

23:26

right after we met with the students, we met with the

23:28

university president and we said,

23:30

what is the red line here? When are

23:32

you gonna take action to shut this down?

23:35

And her response was so unsatisfactory. It was

23:37

basically, well, we're gonna see if

23:39

they'll leave on their own. We're negotiating with

23:41

them. I mean, I don't understand

23:43

what happened to, campus guidelines,

23:45

rules for the university. If you break

23:48

those rules, you're expelled. That's the end

23:50

of the story. The

23:52

fact that they're negotiating with these students,

23:55

it's just another example of lawlessness

23:57

in New York. I mean, whether you're

23:59

a criminal. a repeat offender, revolving

24:01

door, in and out of jail,

24:04

committing more crimes, whether you're illegal immigrants

24:06

that are coming in, getting free hotel

24:08

rooms, or, you know,

24:10

these protesters that are committing hate

24:12

crimes against their fellow colleagues in

24:14

school and not being held accountable.

24:17

It's just adding to the left-wing

24:19

woke ideology that there are no

24:21

consequences for bad behavior or legal

24:24

behavior. And that is

24:26

why we called for the university president to

24:28

resign. The one thing that she's been right

24:30

about is that there needs to be a

24:32

reset at the university, and the reset starts

24:34

with new leadership. She

24:36

has to go. And until

24:38

that happens, we're

24:40

going to see that these kids are

24:43

just going to continue to take over

24:45

this campus. And meanwhile, you have students

24:47

there, some that are not even Jewish,

24:49

that are afraid as well, and they're

24:51

upset because, you know, they're being forced

24:53

into remote learning. Their college

24:55

experience is being stripped from them. They

24:58

pay $90,000 a year to go to this institution, where they

25:00

worked very hard to get there. And now

25:02

they're being, you know,

25:04

basically having their academic

25:07

experience taken away from them by a mob

25:09

of anti-Semitic and, in some

25:12

cases, pro-terrorist. I mean, these

25:14

people are, in many ways,

25:16

it makes you

25:18

scared for the future of this country,

25:20

that this is an Ivy League institution,

25:22

and they're proud, some of them, to

25:24

actually have supportive Hamas. You call

25:26

them future leaders. Yeah. Oh, no.

25:29

The Hamas spokespeople put out

25:31

a statement yesterday endorsing the

25:33

student protests. It is mutual

25:35

admiration. They love Hamas. Hamas

25:37

loves them. I saw the

25:39

supreme leader, terrorist in

25:41

chief of Iran, put out

25:44

a statement supporting some of these protests

25:46

in New York City and elsewhere. It's

25:49

sick. It's very sick stuff. So you guys

25:51

then met with these students and

25:54

then came out to the microphones and made your

25:56

statements, and you could hear in

25:58

the background all these people yelling. and

26:00

screaming and booing and chanting and profanities

26:02

and all of that. Talk about how

26:04

that felt and obviously you

26:06

guys didn't budge, you didn't take

26:08

the microphones and leave. You stood there and

26:11

you had your say anyway. Yeah,

26:14

I mean well actually it was I don't know who

26:16

planned to put us out there right in front of

26:18

the encampment to give our remarks. The

26:21

best place to be but in a way it was it

26:23

was a lot of fun actually to be

26:25

there because we knew we were there for

26:27

the right reasons and you know these these

26:29

students needed to hear what we had to

26:31

say and the best was Anthony Diasposito, my

26:33

colleague who basically yelled into the crowd and

26:35

said if you're proud to have

26:37

the support of Hamas for what you're

26:40

doing here in this campus you're part

26:42

of the problem. He said it straight up and

26:44

I thought it was great but to

26:46

see the disrespect you have the Speaker

26:48

of the House of Representatives and anybody

26:52

who came to speak regardless right I

26:54

mean to have heckling and cursing at

26:56

him and vulgarities but they're

26:58

doing this to us. Imagine what they're doing

27:00

to their fellow Jewish students and

27:03

that is really the underlying issue here and

27:05

actually one of the students told

27:07

me that he had an American flag

27:09

that he was draped with when he

27:11

was marching through the campus and he

27:14

was attacked he was assaulted for having

27:16

an American flag. He says it's much

27:18

deeper than anti-Semitism. He's a hatred of

27:20

America and our allies and

27:22

our the American just our

27:25

principles as a country so it really

27:27

is disturbing but it's one

27:29

of the reasons why I've introduced legislation to

27:31

strip federal funding from these institutions. You know

27:33

Kathy Hochul said oh why are they here

27:36

they don't have a reason to be here.

27:38

You know what we we actually give a

27:40

lot of taxpayer money to institutions like Columbia

27:43

and other nonprofits and universities across the country.

27:45

We need to revisit federal

27:47

funding of these institutions and they should

27:49

be stripped of their funding if they

27:51

can't control the campus and stop if

27:54

they allow anti-Semitism like this to fester.

27:57

They don't hold their professors accountable.

28:00

The fact that Columbia still has a

28:02

professor who not too long ago, shortly

28:04

after October 7 actually, praised

28:06

Hamas. They have two professors at least

28:08

that have praised Hamas, that have tweeted

28:10

support for Hezbollah. I mean that is

28:12

outrageous, and so we need to send

28:15

a strong message, hold these universities accountable.

28:18

And by the way, I have another bill that would strip

28:20

visas from foreign students who

28:23

are participating in these anti-Semitic events.

28:26

If you're not from – if you are from

28:28

another country and you have the privilege of coming

28:30

to America to attend a ostensibly

28:33

elite institution, and you are breaking

28:35

the rules, breaking the law and

28:37

supporting terrorists, why on earth should

28:39

you be allowed to stay in this country? You

28:42

have no right – you have

28:44

no God-given right to be here,

28:46

just the entitlement, the arrogance

28:48

of that. It's like I think it

28:50

makes a lot of people very upset.

28:53

I think you're exactly right on the

28:55

defunding point. These private schools, many of

28:57

them take all sorts of government money,

29:00

and they say, oh, well, we're a private

29:02

school. Yeah, that's true, but if they want

29:04

that spigot of money that you guys control

29:06

in Congress to keep flowing, I

29:09

think it's completely reasonable given what's happening for

29:11

you guys to use that as a point of

29:13

leverage, a pain point for these gutless cowards

29:15

who run a lot of these schools. And I

29:17

just want to come back to something that you

29:20

said. Did I hear you correctly that Kathy Hochul,

29:22

the governor of New York, was

29:24

basically asking why a congressional delegation

29:26

would be at Columbia like you

29:28

guys shouldn't be there? Yeah, and

29:30

the answer is because we don't have leadership in

29:32

New York to actually show up and show these

29:35

students support. Yeah, like where is – Where

29:37

the hell is she? Yeah,

29:39

you asked a great question. Senator

29:41

Schumer is the highest-ranking Jewish elected

29:43

official in the country. He represents

29:46

New York, and he hasn't come.

29:48

I haven't seen him do much of

29:50

anything. He's one of the last people

29:52

to actually send out a statement condemning

29:54

the anti-Semitism at Columbia. And Hochul has

29:57

shown zero leadership. Yeah. She

29:59

has no consequences. The only one that's for anybody that

30:01

does anything wrong, including robbery or whatever

30:03

crimes you commit in New York City, there's a

30:05

bail law that Kathy Hochul put in place that

30:07

will release you back on the street. So

30:10

this is the woke

30:12

left ideology that has been of zero

30:14

consequences. You can do whatever you want,

30:16

no penalties, and it has taken over

30:18

New York City. And I think that

30:20

what we're seeing on this campus is

30:22

just an extension of that. But

30:25

just my mind is reeling

30:28

right now because there's

30:30

this huge problem, this festering,

30:33

disgusting problem on a

30:35

campus in the middle of New York City, the

30:38

crown jewel, you know, worldwide

30:40

known location in New York State, the

30:42

governor of which has put out, you

30:44

know, statements being like, oh, bad on

30:47

anti-Semitism, we don't like it, fine. She

30:50

hasn't shown up. She hasn't gone

30:53

to campus to stand in solidarity with the Jewish

30:55

students, to my knowledge, or met with them. And

30:57

then you guys show up, and she's like, oh,

30:59

well, they're not from here. Why are they here?

31:01

They're members of Congress. Like,

31:03

you guys don't have a right to be there to

31:05

do the right thing when, as you said, there is

31:07

federal money at stake, number one. And

31:09

secondly, correct me if I'm wrong. I have it right here

31:12

on my rundown. I believe I introduced you correctly, Congresswoman. What

31:15

state are you from? Where is your district? What

31:17

state would that be? Well,

31:20

you know what? I happen to be the

31:22

only Republican representing New York City and Washington.

31:24

And that's right. I mean, I was proud

31:26

to be there with my colleagues. It would

31:29

have been great if some

31:31

Democrats showed up and showed their support as well. And

31:33

maybe they don't do it with us, do it on

31:35

your own. But these students, I have to say, they

31:38

were, again, so grateful we were

31:40

there. They feel like nobody has

31:42

their back. They were just

31:45

smiling ear to ear thanking the

31:47

speaker for coming. And they've just

31:49

been so excited about the fact that he came and took

31:51

some time to spend with them. And you know who else

31:54

was in town yesterday? The vice president, by the way, was

31:56

in town. And she didn't come over to Columbia to say

31:58

anything. best.

32:02

Who knows what she would have said? Who knows

32:04

which side she would have taken? I honestly don't

32:07

know. She would have laughed. She would have done

32:09

her laugh. She would have probably. That's what she

32:11

always does. But you know you have these students

32:13

who feel besieged on their own campus in the

32:16

United States of America because of their faith and

32:18

their identity because you have

32:20

literal terrorism supporters bullying them and

32:22

taking over large swaths of the

32:24

campus and they are grateful

32:26

that you guys came to show your

32:28

solidarity and the governor of

32:30

the state where this is happening is

32:32

criticizing you guys for being here even

32:34

though as you know you're a congresswoman

32:36

from New York City. I saw other

32:39

New York representatives there. She's not the

32:41

only leader thank God from New York

32:43

because if she represents all of the

32:45

leadership in New York then these

32:47

kids on Columbia they would absolutely be

32:49

twisting in the wind on their own

32:51

with zero support from the likes of

32:53

her. So I'm glad that you were

32:55

there and using the platform and

32:57

the power and the influence that

33:00

you guys have to draw attention to this

33:02

because it's the right thing to do. It's

33:04

you know very disturbing to see so

33:07

many of these images and we had a

33:09

Columbia student on the show yesterday very upsetting

33:12

hearing this is a guy from Israel his

33:14

grandmother survived the Holocaust and they

33:16

routinely called him a Nazi. It's

33:19

just it's absolutely sick. Congressmen very quickly before I let

33:21

you go you were talking about some of the other

33:23

challenges in New York City have you

33:25

seen the video I know the New York Post had

33:27

a big story about it the big brawl of these

33:29

illegal immigrants outside I think one of these shelters. Which

33:32

one? There's been so many of them. The one

33:34

with the baseball bats and all that? Midtown?

33:38

You know I've seen the one with the

33:40

police officers being assaulted I've seen the ones

33:42

with them taking over the streets in Manhattan

33:45

is having multiple times there have been multiple

33:47

stabbings it was even a death a

33:50

migrant on migrant crime related stabbing that ended

33:52

up in a death. This

33:55

is outrageous that our

33:57

governor our mayor continue

33:59

to. incentivize people to come to

34:01

New York City, give them a free luxury

34:03

hotel room, when New Yorkers are having

34:05

a hard time keeping a roof over their head,

34:07

putting food on the table for their families, and you're

34:09

telling them they have to pay to put

34:11

people in a hotel room that, by the way, there

34:14

have been over at least 1200, at least,

34:16

and that was a couple months ago, that

34:18

number's from, arrests of these individuals.

34:20

And what happens? Because of Kathy Hochul's bail

34:22

law, they get released back onto the street,

34:24

there was one woman who was arrested eight

34:27

times for pickpocketing, and

34:29

she's going back to her luxury hotel room

34:31

at our expense, and it's a

34:33

disgrace that the Democrats allowed us to happen, and

34:35

that humor, again, stops

34:38

all of our border security proposals that we

34:40

passed out of the House, some with even

34:42

bipartisan support, won't take them, won't take any

34:44

of them up in the Senate. Yeah,

34:46

and it just, it just feels- And the

34:48

President obviously refuses to reverse his policy. And

34:50

to this point, it just feels sometimes in

34:52

New York City that it's repeat felons, illegal

34:55

immigrants, and literal terrorism supporters who are

34:58

running the show, and they feel like

35:00

there's no consequences, they have total impunity

35:02

and immunity to do whatever they want.

35:04

That's the message being sent right now.

35:07

And it's a toxic, dangerous one. Nicole

35:09

Maliatakis, Congresswoman from New York City, on

35:11

the Guy Benson Show. Congresswoman, thanks for

35:13

your time. Thank you.

35:15

We'll be right back. Same

35:19

issues, but with a fresh

35:21

perspective. The Guy Benson Show.

35:27

It's the Guy Benson Show. We are

35:30

back. We were

35:32

just talking with the Congresswoman about some

35:35

of the insanity, the madness, the

35:37

lawlessness here in New York City.

35:39

What about on the other side of the country? I

35:41

saw this story, Bill Malugin, our colleague was tweeting about

35:43

it. I'm going to go

35:45

out on a limb and say this might be the

35:47

most California story I've seen in a long time. So

35:50

Santa Monica, that city, very

35:53

high-end city, right? There's a lot

35:55

of money out there. And

35:57

of course, it's very left wing, very blue. Santa

36:00

Monica has decided they're

36:02

going to help tackle the homelessness crisis, which

36:04

is really bad in that state, really

36:07

all across the west coast. It's extra bad. They

36:10

are building homeless

36:13

housing facilities at

36:16

a cost – ready for this? – of

36:18

$1 million per unit. A

36:22

million dollars a unit to

36:25

build apartments, basically,

36:27

luxury-looking apartments, for

36:29

the homeless. And in the artist rendering that

36:32

they put out, they actually have

36:34

a Porsche in the

36:36

drawing, like in the driveway. So

36:38

drive your little Porsche over to your homeless

36:41

housing, million dollars a unit. Oh,

36:43

and by the way, I'm sure some of that is union

36:45

contract stuff. Guess when it's going

36:47

to be ready? 2030, with

36:49

all the regulations, pure

36:52

California out there. Take a

36:54

bow, Santa Monica. Another hour. Coming

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38:00

this middle hour a Fox News alert down

38:02

today tumbling 375 points I'm not surprised finishing

38:08

up at 38,085 and I

38:10

think part of that

38:12

was jitters that went throughout the

38:14

market, market spooked by

38:17

bad GDP numbers significantly

38:20

worse than expected in quarter one.

38:23

Then you couple that with worse than

38:25

expected inflation not a pretty picture

38:27

to put it mildly. So

38:30

we will talk to Brian Riedel about

38:32

the implications of the economic news and

38:34

some other very significant policy announcements from

38:36

Joe Biden on that front coming up

38:39

in our next hour. So

38:41

please stay tuned for that. I

38:43

want to begin this hour by

38:46

addressing something and I wasn't actually planning on

38:48

doing this so I've sent our team scrambling

38:50

to grab some audio for you so

38:53

I can talk about something that's happening right now. We've

38:56

talked about what's happening at Columbia and

38:59

we did so in

39:01

the last hour with the congresswoman here from New York City.

39:04

I want to get to in a second

39:07

what is happening today at my

39:09

alma mater Northwestern, a place that I care

39:11

about a lot that I

39:13

think overall has handled campus

39:16

culture since October 7th quite poorly in

39:18

many ways and I've said so publicly.

39:21

I'll get to the developments today at Northwestern in just

39:24

a second. Before that though I want to play for

39:26

you, this is also from Columbia, just to give you

39:28

a sense. We're talking

39:30

to Nicole Maliatakis about how Kathy

39:32

Hochul, the governor in this state of New York, questioning

39:35

why the speaker of the House and why other

39:37

congressional Republicans even bothered to show up at Columbia.

39:39

Why are you here? You're not

39:42

even from here. There

39:44

are federal issues at stake, there are civil

39:47

rights at stake, it's also

39:49

the right thing to do. I know that might

39:51

be a confusing concept for Kathy Hochul. Meanwhile

39:54

A whole lot of silence or equivocation or both

39:56

sidesing is what we saw from the President in

39:58

the face of this. Kind of stuff.

40:01

This delegation led by Speaker Johnson, met

40:03

with some of these students. Many

40:06

of them Jewish. Few.

40:09

Of them Israeli. We spoke to one of them here yesterday.

40:12

Onset. On. Their show. They're.

40:15

Scared they've been harassed. They've

40:18

been in some cases, assaulted, have. Driven.

40:22

Out of public spaces on their own

40:24

campus, or even driven off their campuses

40:26

completely. There's a Jewish. Pro. Israel professor.

40:28

They locked him out of the school. The.

40:31

Did they? Sir. Deactivated is

40:34

key card. For. His

40:36

own safety they claimed. While they also

40:38

pretend. That. This is a

40:40

peaceful protest. So many of the apologists in

40:42

The Defenders. Look. At the Squad, for example,

40:45

Peaceful. Peaceful. except when it's not, but we won't

40:47

talk about that. Those.

40:49

Jewish students who met with members of Congress

40:51

yesterday. The. Type of

40:53

harassment. And. Ugliness that they

40:56

have been dealing with privately. Sound.

41:00

A little something like the sound, but I'm going to play

41:02

for you here and just a second. This is one of

41:04

the. We. Believed Columbia students one

41:06

of the rabble rousers. Pro:

41:08

terrorism. Radicals. Running

41:11

the show at Disenchantment. Didn't.

41:13

Care but that's not allowed on campus. A

41:16

candidate and and candid that the administration

41:18

said you can't be here anymore, Leave

41:20

and they say basically no bleep off.

41:24

They. Bragged are going to stay there. Through.

41:26

Graduation. They're willing to ruin graduation.

41:29

They're excited that they're causing the

41:31

school thousands of dollars. You Must

41:33

meet our demands. All this nonsense.

41:37

Well. The other day on there shall

41:39

We actually played you Accept Remember This clip?

41:41

This was from one of the night sessions.

41:44

At. That encampment a Colombia where

41:47

some pro Israel students were.

41:49

On. The Main Long Sword The main

41:51

quad of campus near the outskirts of

41:53

this encampment. And. Then you

41:56

had the mob get together to drive

41:58

them. Off. Of. own

42:00

campus. And there was

42:02

a ringleader with a very distinctive voice

42:04

and everyone was chanting in

42:06

unison and repetition of what he was telling

42:09

them to say, very cult-like, very creepy. If

42:11

you missed it, here's what it sounded like.

42:13

This was just a few nights ago at

42:15

Columbia. So that we can,

42:17

so that we can, start to

42:20

push them, start to push them,

42:22

out of the camp, one

42:26

step forward, another

42:30

step forward, another

42:33

step forward. We

42:36

ask that you please respect

42:40

our privacy and

42:43

our community guidelines, which

42:45

you have so far

42:48

disrespected. Okay,

42:51

and I think just enough. They

42:55

want these students not to be able

42:57

to even stand in public

42:59

spaces on their own campus and

43:03

respect the privacy of the people

43:05

who are squatting and occupying that

43:07

part of the campus illegally. Just

43:11

the gall of these people and

43:14

just the cult-sing-songy back and forth

43:16

there, I think, is so

43:19

weird and kind of

43:21

chilling when you understand the cause that they're

43:23

doing this on behalf of is Hamas

43:26

terrorism and slaughter of Jews. Now

43:29

you might say, well that's maybe an exaggeration. Nothing

43:32

about that was violent. It was weird. It

43:34

wasn't violent. It's not a call to violence.

43:38

Well, I just saw on

43:40

social media a video

43:42

put out by someone at

43:45

Columbia with a very distinctive voice. I

43:47

am not 100% sure this is

43:49

the same person, but the voice sounds

43:51

similar. Based on what we can see

43:54

over the mask, the appearance looks roughly

43:56

similar. This is,

43:58

from this account, a call to violence. Lumpy a

44:00

student. posting. A video

44:02

on social media in which he says

44:05

the following: Design. As. They.

44:07

Don't deserve to live comfortably,

44:10

let alone Zionist. don't deserve

44:12

to live the same way.

44:15

We're very comfortable as seems

44:17

that Nazis don't deserve to

44:20

live. Sas is deserve to

44:22

live Recess. Don't deserve to

44:25

live the Zionists. They shouldn't

44:27

live in this world. One.

44:30

Step forward. I

44:34

think that's him. I'm not a voice

44:36

matching expert. Pretty.

44:38

Confident. Not. Saying it

44:40

have officially on the air. Even

44:43

as a completely different person. Very.

44:46

Distinctive voice. I

44:48

mean. He. First, says

44:50

Zionist shouldn't be allowed to live

44:52

comfortably, which is at the very

44:55

least justifying. Constant.

44:57

Harassment. As

44:59

remember, the vast majority of

45:01

Americans and the vast majority

45:03

of Jews are Zionist who

45:05

believe that Israel. Is.

45:08

A sovereign. State. With

45:10

a right to exist and defend itself. That

45:12

Zionism. And.

45:15

So if you're saying if you resign as you can't

45:17

live comfortably. That. Is

45:19

a promise of harassment. Let's make the

45:22

Zionists. And. That's in quotes.

45:24

It's really they're talking about jews and project

45:26

was make their that the wrong bad thinking

45:28

vast majority of jews less make their lives

45:30

miserable. That's the context of that. That's the

45:32

subjects. But. Then he decides

45:35

in his. Zealotry.

45:37

To double down further. Not.

45:39

Just that, Zionists, Don't.

45:41

Have a right to live comfortably. Displayed.

45:44

Play the start of it again. Design.

45:48

The. don't deserve to

45:50

live comfortably let alone

45:52

zionist don't deserve to

45:54

live the same way

45:56

we're very comfortable expressing

45:59

their Nazis don't deserve

46:01

to live. Okay. This

46:05

is, I don't know what that is other than some

46:09

sort of a cult of violence, a death

46:11

wish. Zionists don't

46:14

deserve to live. What

46:16

is the opposite of living? What

46:19

is the alternative to living? There's

46:21

one thing. If you're

46:23

not alive, you're something else. That

46:27

is an unbelievably offensive

46:29

thing. And

46:32

apparently, according to sources

46:34

at Columbia, this video was shared with the

46:37

administration, and they've done nothing about it. If

46:40

there was some student saying black

46:43

people don't deserve to

46:45

live, that

46:47

person does not remain a student at a

46:49

school like Columbia for another hour. And

46:52

so is any chance of employment for

46:54

the rest of that person's life at

46:56

any sort of like major institution or

46:58

corporation. You're done. This

47:02

is at least casting

47:04

a death wish on

47:07

the vast majority of Jewish people. That's

47:09

what that was that you just heard. He said

47:12

it openly, on camera, on purpose, and then, in

47:14

case that wasn't offensive enough, I don't know how

47:16

much worse it could get, he

47:18

in the next breath compares Zionists. They

47:24

go, well, Nazis deserve to die, so so do

47:26

Zionists. Same thing. The modern

47:30

state of Israel exists because

47:33

after the Holocaust, it was clear that in

47:35

Europe, it wasn't a safe place for Jews. Six

47:38

million of them were rounded

47:40

up and exterminated by the

47:43

Nazis. And when finally that

47:45

evil was stamped out and Nazism was

47:47

crushed and World War II was won

47:49

by the good guys, the

47:53

world community got together and said, you know what,

47:55

let's return the Jews to their ancestral homeland so

47:57

they can have a state of their own. own

48:00

to live in peace and defend

48:03

themselves if necessary because clearly they

48:05

were not defended on the

48:07

continent of Europe. So

48:10

Israel was created the modern state of Israel on

48:13

the same land where Jews traced back

48:15

millennia of family life to

48:19

biblical times and

48:22

the Arabs, later the Palestinians, were given

48:24

many opportunities for two states and side-by-side

48:26

coexistence and of course every time they

48:28

said no and they've always said no.

48:31

Palestinians have always said no to peaceful coexistence

48:34

and often take offers, very

48:36

generous ones of two states

48:38

in the peace deal and they respond to

48:40

that with vicious,

48:44

deadly, lethal violence against

48:46

Jews. But

48:49

the modern state of Israel in 1948, 1947 into 1948,

48:51

came into existence winning an immediate

48:56

war for their survival because they got

48:58

invaded by everyone, they won just like

49:00

they won the subsequent wars for

49:03

survival started by their enemies

49:05

surrounding them. The

49:08

modern state of Israel was established because

49:10

of the Holocaust and the horrors of

49:12

World War II and for this punk

49:15

to talk about how people who believe in the

49:18

state of Israel having a right

49:20

to exist that they don't deserve to live and

49:23

then also comparing them to the

49:25

Nazis that hunted down and murdered

49:27

millions of Jews within the

49:29

living memory of people who are still

49:31

alive is

49:34

about as sick as it gets and

49:39

either that's the same guy or he's got

49:41

a twin including a voice twin. In

49:46

what world is that acceptable? Only

49:50

at least for now in the world

49:52

that is Columbia University, Ivy League, New

49:54

York City, USA, 2024. Northwestern

50:00

where I went, this

50:02

morning some students started setting up

50:05

their own encampment on Dearing

50:07

Meadow, right outside Dearing Library. And

50:11

it has gotten already ugly. A bunch

50:13

of outside agitators, not from campus, have

50:15

shown up. Every

50:17

type of low-life thug imaginable

50:19

in the hard left, like you know,

50:21

Communists, all these people, they have descended

50:24

on Northwestern to help

50:26

them defend this encampment that

50:28

the school says is not allowed. They sent the police

50:30

in. Campus police showed up and

50:32

they were driven back by

50:34

the mob. There's video of it.

50:36

You have people shoving and hitting the

50:39

police. Students, faculty I've been told, physically

50:43

resisting the police who were outnumbered.

50:47

The school said this cannot be here and we're

50:49

going to clear it and then they

50:52

were prevented from doing that. And I got

50:54

photos literally during the commercial break, just

50:56

taken. The tents are up, the sun

50:58

is shining, they're not going anywhere for now.

51:03

Someone that I know who's a student

51:05

journalist was there documenting this, journalist, student

51:07

journalist, with his camera and on

51:09

camera one of these masked thugs

51:12

sees him and they don't want coverage. They want

51:14

to select what press coverage. They want

51:16

their privacy, just like the insane thing at

51:19

Columbia. They're setting up on its

51:21

private property but out in public doing the

51:23

thing they're not allowed and then if they're

51:25

filmed they object to that. So

51:28

this person marched over to the

51:30

student journalist's camera and assaulted him

51:33

and knocked the camera down while

51:35

wearing a mask. It's assault, it's

51:38

trespassing. I mean we're racking up crimes here.

51:40

Is there going to be a consequence? I

51:42

want to actually read to you what the

51:44

administration had to say about this but

51:47

I have to take a break. So let me do that

51:49

real quick. I'll continue the thought on the other side. Don't

51:51

go anywhere. Always fresh, always

51:53

fair. The Guy Benson Show.

52:02

I'm Guy Benson, we're back. So my alma

52:04

mater, let me pick up where I left

52:06

off, Northwestern. I've been critical of

52:08

leadership, I think it's been very weak. Had

52:11

a conversation with a top administrator for like

52:13

an hour this week, had a good, I

52:15

think, constructive talk. And

52:17

I was told that some changes were coming

52:19

and lo and behold, today they put out

52:22

new interim guidelines for student conduct to

52:25

give the university more tools to just

52:27

keep order and enforce things. And

52:30

within this statement put out by Michael Shill,

52:33

who's the president at Northwestern, he

52:36

wrote this, any violation of the rules contained

52:38

in this document or in our policies could

52:41

lead to disciplinary actions such as

52:43

suspension or expulsion and

52:45

possibly criminal sanctions. So

52:48

that was released the same day

52:50

as the encampment going up this

52:53

morning, early this morning. And

52:55

here is the response from the school,

52:57

official statement from Northwestern. Quote, earlier this

52:59

morning, community members attempted

53:01

to set up a tent encampment

53:04

on Deering Meadow at the university's

53:06

Evanison campus, an act that is

53:08

prohibited under university policies. University

53:11

officials, including Northwestern police and representatives from

53:13

student affairs, are on site and

53:15

have informed the group of the policies. They

53:17

are working with the demonstrators to have tents

53:19

removed. Students who refuse to

53:21

remove their tents will be subject to arrest

53:23

and their tents will be removed by the

53:25

university. Community

53:27

members who do not adhere to university

53:30

policies will face discipline.

53:34

So they made it very clear, this is

53:36

not going to fly, you cannot be here, you

53:38

can't set up an encampment, we're

53:40

sending in the police, we're going to take it down.

53:43

You've been warned, this is the policy.

53:45

Okay. All in all, pretty

53:48

good. And certainly I would say an improvement

53:50

over some of what we've seen, this mealy-mouthed,

53:52

fishy-washy nonsense at Northwestern. It seems like

53:54

they're drawing something of a line here,

53:57

seeing what's happening at places like Columbia. instance.

54:02

And then the chaos

54:04

ensued where they sent in the police

54:07

and the police were driven back by

54:10

this mob. You can,

54:12

I retweeted some of the videos, shoving

54:15

police. It

54:17

appears to be students and I've been told faculty

54:20

in some cases shoving police

54:22

officers, ignoring

54:24

the warnings from the

54:26

school and then this

54:28

whole pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas, communist

54:31

hive mind. They put out all of

54:33

their notices to Chicago and their various

54:36

comrades and then a ton of non

54:38

northwestern people have now shown up with

54:41

gear and to encircle the camp and

54:44

not let people in. At least one student

54:46

journalist was assaulted for documenting any of this.

54:48

I mean this is out of

54:51

control and can get worse. The

54:53

school has to back up the promise

54:55

and the threat that they made. They've

54:58

asserted their authority. They need to get

55:00

police and other police. It can't maybe just be campus

55:02

police. Get authorities

55:05

and officials to go

55:07

in and clear this place and

55:10

people who resist should be

55:12

arrested and prosecuted and students,

55:15

particularly behaving worst, should be

55:17

expelled from the school. Your

55:20

move Northwestern. Let's see what happens.

55:27

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55:29

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55:38

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55:45

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55:47

The trial has wrapped up for the

55:49

day down in lower Manhattan.

55:51

This Trump trial. This is the

55:54

New York case, the hush money, all of that.

55:56

And moments ago the defendant, the former

55:59

president Donald Trump came out of the

56:01

courtroom to the cameras as he's been doing on

56:03

a regular basis and he said the

56:05

following. There was a breathtaking,

56:09

this room you saw the vote went on, it was

56:11

breathtaking and amazing

56:15

testimony. This is a

56:17

trial that should never happen, this is a case

56:19

that should have never been filed and

56:21

it was really an incredible day. When

56:26

you rise, we can't let this continue

56:28

to happen to our country. But

56:31

on another matter you know the economy has

56:34

just been reported to be doing very badly

56:36

at the stock market's way down and some

56:39

horrible numbers came out including very

56:41

high numbers on inflation and in

56:43

particular gasoline at 7.5

56:45

dollars. In California that

56:47

usually leads the way to happen

56:50

here too. And

56:52

very importantly as you look at the

56:55

various colleges all over the country and

56:57

beyond colleges because it's happening in other

57:00

areas too. You see

57:02

what's happening on the

57:04

front, having to deal with Palestine

57:06

and Israel and protests

57:08

and hate and anger. Biden

57:11

is sending an absolutely horrible message. Horrible,

57:14

horrible message. He has no idea how to

57:16

message, he can't speak, he can't put two

57:18

sentences together, he doesn't know what to do.

57:20

This is not our president, this

57:23

is somebody that shouldn't be doing what he's doing

57:25

because he can't do it, he can't do it

57:27

well. Alright so that's the president, the former president

57:29

making a number of comments on multiple

57:31

fronts because he can't be out campaigning

57:34

because he's in the courthouse with this stuff. So

57:37

he gets out of court and starts talking about the

57:39

economy, we'll talk about the bad numbers he was just

57:41

referring to in the next hour. He's talking about what's

57:43

happening on campuses, we just finished

57:45

talking about that as well. He

57:48

said this is a case, the case against him in

57:50

New York that should not have ever been filed and

57:52

I'll just note that people who agree with him are

57:55

the feds who looked at these facts and

57:57

decided not to file a case. And

58:00

the person who ran the DA's office before

58:02

Alvin Brack, who looked at the same facts

58:04

and decided not to pursue this case. But

58:07

years later after this alleged crime,

58:10

years, way past the

58:12

expiration of the misdemeanor

58:15

statute, they've decided

58:17

to turn it into a felony somehow and

58:20

bring this to trial right before

58:22

an election, not a

58:24

coincidence. So that's

58:26

the New York trial. Meanwhile, in Washington, D.C.,

58:28

a very busy day involving

58:31

a different trial – this is the federal

58:33

case tied

58:35

into January 6th and the election – and

58:38

this claim that Trump has made, and he

58:40

and his attorneys made, that he has absolute

58:42

immunity as president and can't be prosecuted for

58:44

official acts while

58:47

he was president. Is

58:49

that true? Is that constitutional?

58:51

That was a discussion. That

58:53

was a debate, oral arguments today at the

58:56

U.S. Supreme Court. And

58:59

it was a pretty explosive day of oral

59:01

argument and testimony. And with us now to

59:03

break it down is our friend and colleague

59:05

Shannon Bream, chief legal correspondent here at Fox

59:07

News and anchor of Fox News Sunday, who

59:09

was watching it all extremely closely throughout the

59:11

day. Shannon, thanks so much for your time.

59:14

Great to be with you, Guy. All right. If you can just

59:16

give us a lay of the land. I tried to sort

59:18

of tee up what was happening at the high

59:20

court today as best I could there. If there's

59:23

any more context that's needed, feel free to add

59:25

that in. And then just give us some of

59:27

your top lines about what happened today. Yeah,

59:30

I think you sum it up perfectly. It's

59:32

really a question of where you draw the

59:34

line if you do on immunity for former

59:36

president for acts he committed while he was

59:38

in office. His

59:40

legal team is arguing that there's absolute

59:42

complete criminal liability immunity for a former

59:45

president, meaning that anything he did that

59:47

would in any way connect to his

59:49

official duties would be completely cleared from

59:52

any criminal liability. The other

59:54

side also to a lot of people

59:56

sounds equally extreme that everything he did

59:58

in connection with January 6th. It

1:00:00

opens him up to criminal liability. There was

1:00:02

no protection, but he doesn't have any protection

1:00:05

against criminal liability for acts while in office.

1:00:07

So that was the starting place. We

1:00:09

went from there. And while it seemed

1:00:11

that there were people dug in on both sides, there

1:00:13

were really a lot of justices who didn't fully let

1:00:15

us know where they're going. Okay,

1:00:18

so I mean I saw some of the hypotheticals

1:00:20

being put out there by some of the justices,

1:00:22

and the response from the Trump team was like

1:00:26

pretty disturbing where they're saying, oh, if he's

1:00:28

going to get an

1:00:30

assassination squad together for a political

1:00:32

opponent and order the murder of

1:00:35

an opponent, is he totally

1:00:37

immune? This is not just Trump

1:00:39

any president, totally immune from that if

1:00:42

it's an official act and he's calling out

1:00:44

hit squads basically. And there

1:00:46

were other similar examples

1:00:49

that were offered that were quite extreme,

1:00:51

and Trump's team kind of in

1:00:53

some cases were like, yeah, that would be covered.

1:00:55

I mean I'm not a

1:00:57

lawyer at all, Shannon, but I

1:01:00

think to the average person hearing some of those

1:01:02

exchanges, people are like, what

1:01:04

are they talking about? That sounds nuts.

1:01:06

That sounds crazy and totally

1:01:08

dangerous. Yeah, and it does

1:01:10

sound, though, they backed off of just how

1:01:13

vehement they were about that in the D.C.

1:01:15

Circuit, the lower court, when you had this

1:01:17

conversation about what if he ordered still Team

1:01:19

6 to go out and get rid of an opponent? There

1:01:22

seemed to be some concession today that like,

1:01:24

okay, there are things that there were

1:01:27

clearly would-be criminal liability for anybody doing. But

1:01:30

the real argument that got sticky for the Trump

1:01:32

team was when they pushed what actually classifies as

1:01:35

an official act. And that's where you had a conversation

1:01:37

about some of those things that seem like ridiculous

1:01:40

hypotheticals. But then they would draw

1:01:42

it right back into real time, too. Justice

1:01:45

Kavanaugh was one asking about, okay, LBJ,

1:01:47

did he lie about Vietnam? What

1:01:50

happened there to the country? Is That something

1:01:52

he could have been prosecuted for? Of Course,

1:01:54

the example with President Obama and drone strikes

1:01:56

that took out Americans overseas. What About that?

1:02:00

There. Were so many real world and hypothetical

1:02:02

example they came up. There's plenty for the

1:02:04

justices to to on. Some.

1:02:06

Of the questions I know. A.

1:02:09

Justice Kagan, for example, was going through some of

1:02:11

the hypotheticals and I found myself at least some

1:02:13

of the transcripts and I read agreeing. With.

1:02:16

At least would seem to be the posture, the thrust

1:02:18

of her questions where it's like. At

1:02:20

least as an average citizen here, I feel

1:02:23

like know, there's no way. That.

1:02:25

That would constitute an official duty and that

1:02:27

the President would be immune for doing it.

1:02:29

And I guess there were some hairsplitting about

1:02:31

what would count as an official duty vs

1:02:34

like a private action while the President is

1:02:36

still in office. I.

1:02:38

Don't really know how to parse that our, but it

1:02:40

seemed like this was one of the the questions that

1:02:42

was. Sort of being

1:02:44

bandied about in the arena today or

1:02:46

another one had to do with whether

1:02:48

the court is actually going to settle

1:02:50

this question themselves. Right now we're kicking

1:02:52

back down to a lower court for

1:02:54

further clarification in debates. What are some

1:02:56

of the a possible outcomes in your

1:02:58

mind. So let me read you

1:03:00

a little bit of what you referred to

1:03:02

about some of these questions from Justice Kagan

1:03:04

on he says a president who ordered military

1:03:06

order the military to say to cool it

1:03:08

is no longer president He was an M

1:03:10

P C couldn't be and eats but he

1:03:12

ordered Emily military. True that you're saying that's

1:03:14

an official act Trump attorney says I think

1:03:16

it would depend on the circumstances Letter in

1:03:18

it was an official act. Any the word

1:03:20

official act which you would have to be

1:03:22

impeached and conduct it is Their argument is

1:03:24

always then gotta be peace first said be

1:03:26

conducted But there were none of that says

1:03:29

he. Said what if is out of office

1:03:31

already been you can and pizza and there's

1:03:33

no grounds to do that So he could

1:03:35

never be convicted on this and I think

1:03:37

that's where a got really path and she

1:03:39

said at one point as a special ops.

1:03:42

Depends on the a hypothetical. The answer sounds

1:03:45

to me as though it's like under my

1:03:47

test it's an official act. but that sounds

1:03:49

that doesn't it? And the. summer of last

1:03:51

zones not only it so really bad

1:03:53

like it's okay if you got the

1:03:55

commander in chief ordering the military to

1:03:58

stage a coup for whatever reason And

1:04:00

that's – they're trying to say, well, it depends if

1:04:02

that's an official act. That sounds like a pretty damn official act

1:04:04

if you're the commander in chief. And

1:04:06

if you then leave office and you're no longer there,

1:04:09

there is no criminal liability for doing

1:04:11

something like that. I mean, come on.

1:04:14

Yeah, and that's why I think justices cannot

1:04:16

go that far. That's why they're going to

1:04:18

have to – like you said, find the

1:04:20

contours first, I think. You're so right to

1:04:22

point out. Private act versus official act, something

1:04:24

that's part of their official duties. They spent

1:04:26

a lot of time on that today. It's

1:04:28

possible, though, they come back, these justices, and

1:04:30

say, okay, we do think there's some level

1:04:32

of immunity, but it's got to be delineated

1:04:34

by private act versus official public act. Now,

1:04:36

here's some guidance from lower court, and we're

1:04:38

going to send it back to you to

1:04:40

figure out everything that's in the indictment, whether

1:04:42

it falls into one category or the other.

1:04:45

Justice Barrett said today, hey, if you

1:04:47

agree, as Trump's attorney seemed to concede,

1:04:49

that there's some private acts in the

1:04:51

indictment that would be actionable. So

1:04:54

she's saying, all right, if we send it back

1:04:56

to the lower court to decide what's private, what's public,

1:04:58

what's official, would the special counsel

1:05:00

be willing to just say, all right, we'll strip

1:05:02

out everything that everybody agrees is a private act

1:05:04

and just let this case go forward on what's

1:05:06

an official act so that you can get speed

1:05:08

with this, because clearly you guys have an idea

1:05:11

that you want to get this done in a

1:05:13

hasty manner. And the special counsel,

1:05:15

Michael Drieben, arguing for them seemed to say,

1:05:17

nope, we have a whole package. All of

1:05:19

this stuff is connected. We want the jury

1:05:21

to understand every conversation, every email, every text,

1:05:23

all of it that was happening, and they

1:05:25

don't seem to have any interest in separating

1:05:27

them out. But it's possible the

1:05:30

court does say, here's the guidance. Now go

1:05:32

back to the lower court and hash this out.

1:05:35

If that happens, and if I were a betting

1:05:37

man, that's probably where I think

1:05:39

this is headed. I think the Supreme

1:05:41

Court wants no part of big

1:05:44

binding precedents helping

1:05:46

Trump, hurting Trump, anything like that on this

1:05:48

front. They also feel like some of these

1:05:50

questions really do have to be resolved, because

1:05:52

Americans want to know not just about Trump

1:05:54

but moving forward, okay, what actually is the

1:05:57

Law here? What Does the Constitution say? The

1:06:00

lines and and kicking it back down

1:06:02

to hash out some of the nasty,

1:06:04

sordid details of this particular case is

1:06:06

the likeliest option. That's the sort of.

1:06:08

My. Got on this and my understanding

1:06:11

is at least four of the justices

1:06:13

hinted someone at that today. I.

1:06:15

Which is not point five but. If.

1:06:17

If Roberts wants to maybe

1:06:20

avoid something massively politically combustible,

1:06:22

that might be something of

1:06:24

a reasonable out. Ah,

1:06:26

If that's what they're looking for, the question is

1:06:28

let's say that happens or were getting had ourselves

1:06:30

Shannon. But if that were to happen. Then.

1:06:33

What does that mean for the timeline of

1:06:35

the trial? Does it a longer? This thing

1:06:37

drags out. I think the likelihood is that

1:06:39

they probably can't bring this thing to court

1:06:41

as they want to before the election. I

1:06:44

think you're right. I think there's a

1:06:46

very good possibility that happens in your

1:06:48

timeline would be right because if they

1:06:50

have to go back and break apart

1:06:53

the indictment by deciding okay what is

1:06:55

going to remain a part of the

1:06:57

case, What is everybody agree is a

1:06:59

private act or a fact finder. A

1:07:01

lower court decides this is a private

1:07:03

actors the public at that time. So

1:07:05

to do all that and then restart

1:07:07

the trial pushes it. I mean I

1:07:09

on top of the election or you

1:07:11

it seemed just after it now has.

1:07:14

President Trump wins then. clearly a

1:07:16

lot of the federal stuff will

1:07:18

evaporate. Or at least. Be.

1:07:21

On hold for years. Potentially very quickly.

1:07:23

less than thirty second set an oral

1:07:25

arguments over like this is now in

1:07:27

the courts cord so to speak Goods

1:07:29

The oral arguments are are finished. Exactly

1:07:32

right. So usually the friday after case they take

1:07:34

a boat that's a missile vote these assigned me

1:07:36

opinions. They start writing them and as you know

1:07:39

both contains in that process of in. Times of

1:07:41

the Essence. Friday is tomorrow. we'll see

1:07:43

where this goes and when they announced

1:07:45

what their ruling might be. a lot

1:07:47

going on today. Shannon Bream Thanks so much

1:07:49

for your time! It's the Guy Benson

1:07:51

show. Stay tuned. we

1:07:57

continue here on the guy benson show were

1:07:59

talking earlier the week about the

1:08:01

package that passed both houses and was

1:08:03

signed into law by the president on

1:08:06

foreign aid and other matters. Despite

1:08:09

flaws and reasonable objections

1:08:11

to it, I overall was in favor. And

1:08:14

one of the components of it was this

1:08:16

not TikTok ban, but a throwing

1:08:18

down of a gauntlet legislatively,

1:08:21

where ByteDance, the CCP controlled Chinese

1:08:23

company that owns TikTok, they have

1:08:26

to sever ties and sell it,

1:08:29

or within a period of time, it

1:08:31

will be banned in the United States.

1:08:33

Massive bipartisan support. I think that's

1:08:35

good. Because, and this

1:08:37

is the real tell, they've

1:08:39

sent out executives at TikTok to

1:08:41

say that they're going to fight this and they're

1:08:44

not going to sell. The Chinese

1:08:46

government and their puppets at ByteDance,

1:08:49

they don't care about the money. This is the point that needs

1:08:52

to be made over and over again. You

1:08:54

could offer them an insane valuation,

1:08:57

double, triple the amount that it would be worth. And I

1:08:59

think it's worth a lot, actually, because people

1:09:01

love the app, they're addicted to it, lots

1:09:04

of kids. You

1:09:06

could make a lot of money selling TikTok. Let's

1:09:08

say you made them an offer of

1:09:10

double what it's worth. This is a

1:09:13

gargantuan sum. They're

1:09:15

probably going to turn that down. They're vowing to turn it

1:09:17

down. Why? Because it

1:09:19

isn't about money. This is not

1:09:21

a financial asset for the Chinese

1:09:23

government and ByteDance.

1:09:25

This is an espionage

1:09:27

and propaganda asset. You

1:09:30

look at how the app is designed

1:09:33

and used in China versus how it's

1:09:35

designed and used and deployed here, completely

1:09:37

different. They

1:09:40

can put their thumb on the scale on algorithms,

1:09:42

what our kids and young people in

1:09:44

particular are seeing. For a lot of

1:09:47

them, this is their number one or

1:09:49

only news source, which is frightening. CCP

1:09:52

knows this. The Commies in Beijing

1:09:55

know this. And If they can just put

1:09:57

their propaganda in front of the eyeballs of

1:09:59

millions of people, The millions of young people

1:10:01

in the West particularly the United States. that

1:10:03

is gold that is worth way more to

1:10:05

than than any amount of money. Then.

1:10:08

Of course all the data collection. The.

1:10:10

Espionage opportunities there. This

1:10:12

is why. It. Is

1:10:14

the right decision? To. Force this

1:10:16

issue the way that Congress now

1:10:18

house, with Biden signing it into

1:10:21

law and. The. Defiance. a tick

1:10:23

tock sort of the meltdown, I think

1:10:25

it is extremely. Revealing. I.

1:10:28

On got fouled last night. This. Is

1:10:30

one of the topics. And almost to

1:10:32

my surprise, I was the only person on

1:10:34

the panel in favor of this move. If

1:10:38

you look at polling. Vast. Majority of

1:10:40

the public agrees with me. Vast.

1:10:42

Majority of Congress across the aisle agrees with

1:10:44

me. These. Days we are.

1:10:47

And. Under serious country and society and a

1:10:49

lot of ways for many reasons. This.

1:10:52

Was just like a small

1:10:54

sign. Like. A

1:10:57

saints beacon of seriousness. On.

1:10:59

An important issue. I. Think

1:11:01

letting a foreign adversaries dominate

1:11:04

the news and information intake.

1:11:07

Of. A new generation of Americans

1:11:09

is like. Culturally.

1:11:12

Suicidally suicidal. It's.

1:11:16

Like letting the Soviet Union decades

1:11:18

ago, Ron our network news

1:11:20

channels and the New York Times.

1:11:24

Never. Would that be allowed? And

1:11:27

yet we have people I think making and

1:11:29

including folks that I really like. I just

1:11:31

disagree with mink making bad arguments. In.

1:11:33

Favor of. Letting. The Ccp

1:11:36

continue to hold these strings.

1:11:39

So. Valuable to them, not on the money front

1:11:41

as I point out. And.

1:11:43

They make our use of the First

1:11:45

Amendment which does not apply I think

1:11:47

to foreign adversaries. ownership. Of

1:11:49

companies like this, you're not violating

1:11:51

Americans. First. Amendment rights and if

1:11:53

they're willing to sell. Americans, Now

1:11:56

on the upgrade Do all your dances do whatever you

1:11:58

want have at. Some.

1:12:01

People were claiming that it's an

1:12:03

overbroad law on this front. I

1:12:06

don't think that sure either. I was

1:12:08

very narrow and it name's specifically the

1:12:10

hostile countries. That. To Not. Have.

1:12:13

An ownership stake in these types of amps. And.

1:12:16

Is the most hostile countries to the

1:12:18

United States in the world? They are

1:12:20

named and shamed specifically. It's not broad.

1:12:22

It's not vague. That's why I think.

1:12:24

It. Being narrow and focused unnecessary,

1:12:27

it attracted the support that it

1:12:29

did. We.

1:12:31

Also saw and I mentioned this yesterday Donald

1:12:33

Trump from a new attack Joe Biden on

1:12:36

this which I think is unfair, short sighted

1:12:38

and wrong. Trip was right

1:12:40

about tectonic when he was president. And

1:12:42

to flip flopped just to pander to young

1:12:45

voters I think is. I. Get the

1:12:47

politics of it. I still think. It's

1:12:49

the right thing for the country, so going

1:12:51

after Biden for signing it. Is.

1:12:54

Mistaken. Where. You can go

1:12:56

after by potentially as the fact that his

1:12:58

campaign is announced, they're going to stay on

1:13:00

tic toc. And see where

1:13:02

this thing goes. Because.

1:13:04

They only care about the next few months between

1:13:06

now and November, then who cares what happens to

1:13:08

Tic Tacs? If they can exploit it right now.

1:13:11

To. Get young people to vote for them. They're

1:13:13

willing to do it, even if they are

1:13:15

admitting it's an espionage and propaganda tool for

1:13:17

a communist regime. You're. Staying

1:13:19

on the F. Hits. Them they

1:13:22

are for hypocrisy. That's.

1:13:24

A wide open front for attack.

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1:14:57

let's get to Brian Riedel, senior fellow at

1:14:59

the Manhattan Institute, longtime budget wonk on Capitol

1:15:01

Hill. Brian, good to have you back. Glad

1:15:03

to be back. Okay, let's start with some

1:15:05

big picture economic news. Today

1:15:08

we learned that the U.S. economy in

1:15:10

the last quarter grew at a significantly

1:15:12

lower rate than expected.

1:15:15

Economists were anticipating 2.5% growth and in

1:15:17

fact it was 1.6%, so falling short

1:15:20

of expectations. And

1:15:23

then on top of that, we have prices

1:15:25

increasing, inflation increasing, again, more than expected. We've

1:15:27

seen that for a number of months in

1:15:29

a row. I'm not an economist,

1:15:31

unlike you, but that seems like a pretty bad combination

1:15:33

to me. Yeah, if you

1:15:36

just look at the GDP numbers,

1:15:38

economists will tell you never to

1:15:40

over interpret one quarter because it's

1:15:42

a short period of time and

1:15:44

often there's timing shifts that affect

1:15:46

one quarter. Like this quarter's GDP

1:15:48

was brought down by inventories being

1:15:50

drawn down, which will rebound next

1:15:52

quarter. That's more of a timing

1:15:54

shift. What worries me

1:15:56

is the combination of sluggish

1:15:58

GDP and rising inflation. You

1:16:00

would think that if you're having a quarter where

1:16:02

GDP dips a little bit, you

1:16:05

would hope inflation dips a little bit,

1:16:07

too. So the fact that now inflation

1:16:09

looks even worse relative to a slowing

1:16:11

economy, this is a concern not just

1:16:13

for us now, but it probably

1:16:16

means the Federal Reserve is going to have to keep

1:16:18

interest rates higher a little longer as well. People

1:16:21

are using the term stagflation, at least

1:16:23

worried about whether that might come about.

1:16:26

Technically, this is

1:16:28

not stagflation territory, but I can understand

1:16:30

why people are looking at these two

1:16:32

numbers together side by side and starting

1:16:34

to at least whisper about that word.

1:16:38

Yeah, inflation has remained stubborn. We

1:16:41

continually are told

1:16:43

that President Biden defeated inflation. It's

1:16:45

over. Setting aside the

1:16:47

nonsense that it still wouldn't hurt

1:16:50

people because prices are still remaining

1:16:52

elevated. There's the fact that the

1:16:54

inflation rate, particularly core inflation as

1:16:56

well, is staying elevated. It's

1:16:58

not dropping as much as we want it.

1:17:02

It dropped down to about the 3 to

1:17:04

4 percent range, and then it stuck there.

1:17:06

And like I said, when the economy is

1:17:08

only growing at about a 1.5 percent rate and

1:17:10

inflation is 3 to 4 percent, it's

1:17:13

not quite stagflation, but it's heading

1:17:15

in that direction. Worse than

1:17:17

expected growth, worse than expected inflation at

1:17:19

the same time, a bad combination. And

1:17:22

then, speaking of worse, deficits. The president

1:17:24

has claimed ludicrously falsely that he's reduced

1:17:26

deficits in debt, not even close to

1:17:28

true. What are we learning

1:17:30

on that front? Yeah, I mean, keep in mind, again,

1:17:33

last year the deficit doubled from 1 trillion to 2

1:17:35

trillion during supposed peace and

1:17:37

prosperity, which should never happen.

1:17:40

And the deficit continues to rise

1:17:42

this year, not only because of

1:17:45

rising spending, but interest rates are

1:17:47

growing on the debt so fast.

1:17:51

Just last week, we

1:17:53

sold 52-week Treasury bonds

1:17:55

at a 4.9 percent rate. Now,

1:17:58

the Congressional- Budget Office tells us

1:18:00

that interest rates are going to stay to 3 to 4%. If

1:18:04

they go to 5%, you're looking

1:18:06

at budget deficits of $4 trillion

1:18:09

within a decade from now because

1:18:11

interest is going to cost a quarter of

1:18:13

all of your taxes. That's in

1:18:16

a year, $4 trillion? $4 trillion

1:18:18

in one year a decade from now. The

1:18:20

annual deficit will be $4 trillion a decade

1:18:22

from now if we extend current

1:18:24

policies and interest rates

1:18:27

keep going where we're currently filming

1:18:29

Treasury bonds at. Okay, and

1:18:31

speaking of current policy, we saw, and I noticed

1:18:34

you had flagged this on Twitter, President

1:18:37

Biden's official Twitter account put

1:18:39

out a boast that he is going to

1:18:41

allow the Trump tax cuts to expire. And

1:18:44

this is what Democrats have been talking about. They opposed

1:18:46

the Trump GOP tax cuts and reforms in 2017. They

1:18:50

said it was going to cause Armageddon. They made

1:18:52

all these predictions, virtually all of which were wrong.

1:18:54

The economy was very strong

1:18:56

after those tax reforms, and

1:18:59

you saw benefit to people

1:19:01

across every income group. You

1:19:03

also saw the economy pick up. Unemployment

1:19:06

hit 50-year lows and historic lows among

1:19:08

all sorts of demographics. I mean the

1:19:10

list goes on, and what

1:19:13

the Democrats had anticipated and warned about

1:19:15

in really apocalyptic terms did not come

1:19:17

to fruition, but they kept referring to

1:19:19

this as a tax cuts for the

1:19:21

rich scheme benefiting millionaires and billionaires. And

1:19:25

at the time, many of us

1:19:27

made the point repeatedly, no, actually, it

1:19:29

cuts taxes for every income group

1:19:31

on average. So across every income

1:19:33

group in the country, there was a tax cut.

1:19:37

And now with Biden at

1:19:39

least promising to let the tax

1:19:41

cuts expire, people are now

1:19:43

raising the alarm, saying, well, hang on, this

1:19:46

means tax increases across every income group. I

1:19:48

saw the Tax Foundation, nonpartisan. They

1:19:51

put out a calculator of

1:19:53

what this would mean for various families, and they had like 10

1:19:56

different hypothetical families working

1:19:59

class, indigent. individual taxpayers,

1:20:01

middle class families with kids,

1:20:04

wealthier people. They had all sorts of different

1:20:06

demographics represented, and I clicked on each of

1:20:09

the profiles and for all of them a

1:20:11

tax cut would result, excuse me, a tax

1:20:13

increase would result from the expiration of the

1:20:15

tax cuts, all of them ranging from hundreds

1:20:18

of dollars to many thousands

1:20:20

of dollars. So Brian, explain

1:20:22

to us exactly what the White House is

1:20:24

arguing here on the tax cuts that they've

1:20:26

said forever. Not only for the rich and

1:20:28

for the billionaires and the millionaires, but

1:20:31

that's not true, and a lot of people

1:20:33

will learn painfully that's not true if

1:20:35

these tax reductions are

1:20:37

allowed to go away and sunset, which is

1:20:40

at least what that tweet from

1:20:42

Biden suggested. Yeah, I mean,

1:20:44

an easy rule of thumb is

1:20:46

that the tax cuts cuts family

1:20:48

taxes by about 10% across

1:20:51

the board. So whether you were

1:20:53

in the bottom earning group or the highest

1:20:55

earning group, everybody got their

1:20:57

income taxes cut by about one tenth.

1:20:59

So the White House will say the richer

1:21:01

states more in dollars. Well, yeah, because they

1:21:03

were paying more. Everybody

1:21:05

got about a 10% tax cut, which means

1:21:08

when we reverse the tax cuts and let

1:21:10

them expire, all groups

1:21:12

can expect a roughly 10 to 11%

1:21:16

tax increase from that level, pretty much across

1:21:18

the board, 10 to 11% tax hike. In

1:21:21

fact, about three quarters of the cost

1:21:24

of the tax cuts went

1:21:26

to families earning below 400,000,

1:21:29

three quarters of the cost. But the White

1:21:32

House is trying to play a little game. What

1:21:34

they say is these Trump tax cuts were

1:21:36

terrible and we're going to make them expire,

1:21:38

which is what they tweeted out, and

1:21:41

we're going to claim $3 trillion in deficit

1:21:43

savings when they do expire. That's what their

1:21:45

budget did. Their budget claimed the savings. But

1:21:48

then they turn around and tell all

1:21:50

about the top 2%. Actually

1:21:53

we're going to extend it for all of you except the top

1:21:55

2%. So they're trying to

1:21:57

have it both ways. They want the talking point.

1:22:00

The tax cuts are terrible and should expire. They

1:22:02

clean all the budget savings from expiration,

1:22:04

but then they tell everyone, but your

1:22:06

taxes won't actually rise because we really

1:22:08

won't let that happen. Yeah, so I

1:22:10

think this is important. I think the

1:22:13

tax cuts should be extended for everyone.

1:22:15

They benefited everyone, as you pointed out,

1:22:17

all income groups. But I

1:22:19

mean that's just clumsy sleight of hand that you

1:22:21

just described with the White House saying, okay, we're

1:22:23

going to make all the tax cuts go away

1:22:25

for everyone. And at least theoretically,

1:22:28

that's going to save, quote-unquote, a bunch of

1:22:30

money because taxes will go up and we'll

1:22:32

get a whole bunch of new revenue. Now,

1:22:34

I'm not really sure that's how it works.

1:22:36

I think that tax increases hurt the economy.

1:22:38

Tax cuts generally helped the economy. We saw

1:22:40

tax receipts, like revenues, soar after the

1:22:42

tax cuts because the economy was doing

1:22:44

so well. So they've been wrong about

1:22:46

everything, but at least in their world, they

1:22:49

say if we get rid of the tax cuts,

1:22:51

we can recoup all these

1:22:53

dollars in tax increases.

1:22:56

They're going to help us in our deficit calculations

1:22:58

because, as you were just describing a moment ago,

1:23:00

the deficit situation is dire. So they

1:23:02

want to put all those hypothetical dollars into the deficit

1:23:04

bucket just for the purposes of making

1:23:06

their numbers look less bad basically.

1:23:10

And then, as you point out, even

1:23:12

though the tweet that we're discussing

1:23:14

did not make any distinction, they were just saying

1:23:16

we're going to let the tax cuts expire. Separately,

1:23:18

they're saying, well, we might renew the tax cuts

1:23:20

for 98% of the

1:23:22

country, which again underscores the dishonesty.

1:23:24

You can't tell us that the tax cuts

1:23:26

were awful and it was just a giveaway

1:23:28

to the rich and billionaires and millionaires and

1:23:30

big business and all the things that we

1:23:32

heard from them screamed at the

1:23:34

top of their lungs back in 2017 during this debate. And

1:23:38

they spent years telling us that it was just a tax

1:23:40

giveaway to the rich. If you have

1:23:42

to extend those very tax

1:23:44

cuts from Trump and the Republicans to

1:23:46

98% of the

1:23:48

country to avoid huge tax

1:23:50

increases, that proves they've been lying

1:23:52

all along about the tax cuts. And the reason they

1:23:54

have to – at least they're

1:23:57

indicating in different areas they're telegraphing that they

1:23:59

want to – 98%

1:24:01

of the tax cuts, it's because of

1:24:03

this other promise Biden made, that $400,000

1:24:06

magic number that he made up on

1:24:08

the campaign trail. It's just, A, incoherent,

1:24:10

B, dishonest in terms of the

1:24:12

deficit reduction that they're claiming, and then most

1:24:14

importantly, I think, C, underscoring

1:24:16

that they just demagogued and

1:24:19

lied about the tax cuts ever

1:24:21

since they were enacted and during that whole debate and

1:24:24

beyond. Absolutely. I mean, it's

1:24:26

blatant because President Biden has been championing the

1:24:28

child credit. The TGA doubled the child credit

1:24:30

from one to 2,000. Biden wants to push

1:24:32

it back up to 3,000 or 3,600. But

1:24:37

getting rid of the tax cuts that he demonizes

1:24:39

so much would cut the child credit back to

1:24:41

1,000. So he wants all

1:24:43

the budget savings from cutting the child credit back

1:24:45

to 1,000 while also taking credit

1:24:47

as the champion of the expanded child credit.

1:24:50

It's completely two-phased, and

1:24:52

it reminds me of the pandemic

1:24:54

spending, where the Democrats constantly trashed

1:24:56

Trump for all the pandemic deficits,

1:24:59

but then they also turned around

1:25:01

and endorsed all of the Democratic

1:25:03

spending expansions that were part of

1:25:06

that, the child credit, the rebates,

1:25:08

all of these policies. They

1:25:10

want to own all the policies, but

1:25:12

they refuse to own the cost. Yep,

1:25:15

and they also don't want to acknowledge

1:25:17

that the policies that the Republicans passed

1:25:19

under President Trump and Republican majorities

1:25:21

in Congress benefited the whole country.

1:25:24

And they said it's – that's not true. They said

1:25:26

this is an attack on working people, an attack on

1:25:28

the middle class, and I think Nancy

1:25:30

Pelosi called it Frankenstein's monster. She

1:25:33

used words like the apocalypse

1:25:35

and things like that. And

1:25:37

then actually it reduced tax burdens

1:25:39

for every income group in the country, and

1:25:41

now they're scrambling to say, oh, well, actually

1:25:43

we have to extend 98% of

1:25:45

them while separately boasting they're going to get rid of all

1:25:47

the tax cuts because it has Trump's name on them. It's

1:25:50

just – this is the type of thing that drives me

1:25:52

crazy. I think it makes people hate politics. And

1:25:54

it also, to me again, underlines the fact

1:25:56

that they are totally full of it on

1:25:59

this. And then we haven't

1:26:01

even talked about, I think, the

1:26:03

terrible policy implications of raising taxes

1:26:05

on Americans, any Americans. And

1:26:08

we'll see how they pursue this. I just think

1:26:10

it's really damaging for them in an election year

1:26:12

to be saying that they are planning

1:26:15

to make Americans' lives even less affordable

1:26:17

and worse because people are already very

1:26:19

unhappy with the state of the economy

1:26:21

and nervous about their own family's future,

1:26:23

which brings me to one more point.

1:26:26

And I've seen some discussion about this, and I'd love for

1:26:28

you to help explain this, what

1:26:30

is this apparent proposal or

1:26:33

scheme from Biden to

1:26:35

tax unrealized capital gains? Is

1:26:38

this real? He

1:26:40

claims it is. It's been in his budget. Virtually

1:26:43

no country does this. What it

1:26:45

basically says is that if you're

1:26:48

a small business owner or

1:26:50

you have stocks, you would pay

1:26:52

taxes on the value of the gains

1:26:54

every year, even if you haven't sold

1:26:57

the stock or sold your business. Now,

1:26:59

setting aside all the administrative challenges here, you

1:27:01

have to figure out how to value your

1:27:03

business every year. You

1:27:06

don't necessarily have the money to pay the

1:27:08

tax because it's in the business or it's

1:27:10

in the stock. So you create a situation

1:27:13

where you would have to sell your stock

1:27:15

or possibly sell your business in

1:27:18

order to get the liquidity to pay the tax. The

1:27:21

other fun thing about this is

1:27:23

if you're going to tax people every

1:27:25

time their stock value rises, you're

1:27:27

going to have to send them a check whenever

1:27:29

the stock value falls. So if

1:27:31

we go into a recession and the S&P

1:27:34

collapses, they're going to be sending billion dollar

1:27:36

checks to Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Warren

1:27:38

Buffett because it has to go in two

1:27:40

directions. No, it's crazy. It's crazy when it

1:27:42

rises, you've got to subsidize them when it

1:27:44

falls. So just so I understand this, like

1:27:46

let's say you've got a stock portfolio and

1:27:49

it increases. So the stock market goes up.

1:27:52

Under this proposal from Biden, the

1:27:55

government, the federal government would look at that and

1:27:57

say, oh, that person on paper, their portfolio. portfolio

1:28:00

has gone up, this amount over the last

1:28:02

year, they're not actually selling the stocks, they

1:28:04

don't have that money. It's just theoretical gains

1:28:06

in the stock market but the value of

1:28:08

their portfolio has gone up X amount in

1:28:10

the last year, we're going to tax them

1:28:12

25% of it. You're

1:28:15

going to have to pay real money based on

1:28:17

these sort of fake money

1:28:19

or unrealized gains that you don't actually

1:28:21

have in your bank account. For

1:28:24

the life of me, I don't understand, Brian,

1:28:26

how that's not just like

1:28:28

calamitous economy ruining insane. Why

1:28:31

would they write that down on paper saying this is our idea?

1:28:33

Yeah, it's insane because again, as you

1:28:35

said, you're not even taxing actual income.

1:28:38

It's not income that has been received

1:28:40

yet. It's theoretical income on paper that

1:28:42

you have to somehow come up with

1:28:44

the money to pay. You

1:28:46

can't pay it out of the income because it doesn't exist yet. They're

1:28:50

seeing it as a way to tax the rich. They

1:28:53

believe the rich are all escaping

1:28:55

taxes but this

1:28:58

is not the way to do

1:29:00

it. There's a reason no country

1:29:02

in the world does this because

1:29:04

it is administratively impossible. It

1:29:07

is a headache. Again, you really want

1:29:09

the government sending checks out to billionaires

1:29:11

when the stock market is dropping. If

1:29:13

that's part of the program that they come up

1:29:15

with, it's nuts, totally nuts. By the way, it's

1:29:18

not only rich people who look

1:29:20

at capital gains and own stocks and

1:29:22

sometimes benefit from that. It's

1:29:25

amazing that this is the President of the United

1:29:27

States and his administration and the plan that they're

1:29:29

putting out there in public saying this

1:29:31

is how we're going to get our fiscal house in order. It's

1:29:34

just a sham. It's a sham that would be

1:29:37

ruinous. I think that should

1:29:39

matter heading into a very important election in November.

1:29:41

Brian Riedl is a senior fellow at the Manhattan

1:29:43

Institute and he was for a long time on

1:29:46

Capitol Hill. He knows this stuff

1:29:48

backwards and forwards in terms of budgets and taxes and all

1:29:50

the numbers. Brian, thanks so much for

1:29:52

your time. Thanks so much, Guy. We'll be right back after this.

1:29:55

A fresh perspective on the topics

1:29:57

of the day. It's Guy

1:29:59

Benson. It's

1:30:05

the Guy Benson Show happy hour and tonight

1:30:08

is the kickoff of the 2024 NFL Draft.

1:30:13

A lot of NFL fans will be watching very

1:30:15

closely to see who their teams

1:30:17

will sweep up. So let's

1:30:19

bring in the Guy Benson Show NFL

1:30:22

Insider, producer Christine aka Cookie. Cookie,

1:30:24

you are on the clock and I believe the

1:30:26

pick is in. What

1:30:31

do you have for us? What was that?

1:30:34

You're our NFL Insider and you don't know? No,

1:30:37

is that like a chime of some sort? It

1:30:40

is. For what?

1:30:42

That is when a team has made

1:30:44

their pick on the ESPN coverage and

1:30:47

they're about to announce their pick

1:30:49

in the draft. That's the jingle

1:30:51

that they play. You'd think that

1:30:53

a hardcore football fan such as yourself

1:30:55

would know that song in your

1:30:57

sleep. It's always that jingle because I

1:30:59

thought it was a different jingle when I heard

1:31:01

it loud. It's the same one. Alright,

1:31:06

Cookie, the pick is in. Who do you

1:31:09

got for your Jets? Okay, Brock Bowers. Tell

1:31:12

us about him. He's

1:31:15

from Georgia. Tight

1:31:17

end. That's good. So

1:31:20

he's going to catch the ball for Aaron

1:31:22

Rodgers. Okay. Is

1:31:24

he a projected draft pick for the Jets? That

1:31:27

makes total sense. He could go a 10.

1:31:30

Everyone thinks he'll go somewhere between 8 and 15. Very

1:31:33

good player. National champion.

1:31:35

Semi-cute. One of

1:31:38

the best prospects coming into the draft.

1:31:40

Not the best position value but one

1:31:42

of the best players in college football.

1:31:45

Do you care about the cuteness, Christine, when

1:31:47

you're looking at your draft board? Why

1:31:50

did you think I picked Aaron Rodgers? Don't you remember?

1:31:52

Yeah, but that wasn't a draft. That was

1:31:54

an acquisition. Completely different. But we're out of

1:31:56

time with our NFL Insider producer, Christine. Thank

1:31:58

you for those insights. It's actually

1:32:01

not a horrible pick. See what happens tonight. It's

1:32:03

the Guy Benson Show. We'll be right back. In

1:32:13

the swamp, not of the swamp,

1:32:16

Guy Benson. At the start of today's show,

1:32:18

we welcomed Brian Kilmeade, host of the Brian

1:32:20

Kilmeade show here on Fox News Radio and

1:32:22

of course co-hosts of Fox and Friends. We'll

1:32:24

be joining him on the couch tomorrow morning,

1:32:27

6 to 9 a.m. Eastern

1:32:29

Time. We had a good conversation across

1:32:31

a variety of topics to begin

1:32:33

today's program and here is part of

1:32:35

that conversation. The question is, is any

1:32:37

of this a crime? And

1:32:40

I guess the argument again as a non-lawyer has been,

1:32:42

well, if they categorized

1:32:44

the money that was paid to

1:32:47

Stormy Daniels a certain way other

1:32:49

than what the perfect

1:32:52

above-board fashion should have been, that

1:32:54

could be a crime. They're

1:32:56

like, well, that's a misdemeanor and that expired

1:32:58

like years ago. So

1:33:00

they had to somehow turn this

1:33:02

into like a violation of federal

1:33:04

campaign laws that the feds

1:33:06

even haven't charged here. They looked at it. They

1:33:09

didn't charge. Alvin Bragg's predecessor looked

1:33:11

at this, didn't charge. But

1:33:13

now leading into the election, they

1:33:16

dredge up this thing from years ago and dream

1:33:18

up a new way to make it two,

1:33:20

three dozen felonies. It reeks

1:33:23

to high heaven, Brian. It does.

1:33:25

And you have the President of the United States going

1:33:27

there to a court. They didn't fully define what the

1:33:30

charges were. So they said, well, just wait

1:33:32

when this thing goes to trial. Just wait. Okay,

1:33:34

we're waiting. What are the charges? So what

1:33:36

they're doing now, according to reports, and it

1:33:38

makes sense, they're all just trying to give

1:33:40

Michael Cohen some credibility and some corroboration because

1:33:42

when he gets on the stand in a

1:33:45

week or two or two days after Karen

1:33:47

McDougall, I think he's going to

1:33:49

go on there and the first thing they're going to say is,

1:33:51

weren't you convicted? Then you have a tax invasion. Weren't you a

1:33:53

part of this? Were you actually constructing

1:33:55

some of the scheme, orchestrating it? And what

1:33:57

is your greatest complaint? That your client... line

1:34:00

ever. John Naturale says, I guess the main

1:34:02

charge is that he listened to Michael Cohen,

1:34:04

his lawyer, and that's Michael Cohen's axe to

1:34:07

grind? Do you think Donald Trump was orchestrating

1:34:09

this? This is so, he, Michael

1:34:11

Cohen is so far behind it, when David

1:34:13

Pecker was asked, does Donald Trump know what

1:34:15

you were doing? He said, I assume so.

1:34:17

The defense says, objection. What do

1:34:20

you mean you assume so? Then I guess I may

1:34:22

strike it. Donald, you don't know

1:34:24

that Donald Trump knew about this and you

1:34:27

can't say or assume it. That's not, you

1:34:29

can't use that as evidence. And Michael Cohen

1:34:31

has just no credibility, right? He'll say whatever

1:34:33

he has to say on behalf

1:34:35

of Trump until they have a falling out and

1:34:38

now it's all negative to Trump. The

1:34:40

guy is admittedly a

1:34:42

criminal, Michael Cohen. I mean,

1:34:44

you're not dealing with high caliber, high character

1:34:46

people here. And I'm sure, this is what

1:34:48

I'm thinking, Brian, they're going to have this

1:34:50

just cavalcade of people coming before the jury,

1:34:53

they're going to testify and it'll be a

1:34:55

bunch of sordid business,

1:34:57

sordid stuff. It's like, okay, Trump, maybe he

1:34:59

was directing it, maybe he was winking at

1:35:01

it, maybe he had no idea or some

1:35:03

combination. Even under the

1:35:05

worst case scenario where Trump's like, you know, directing

1:35:08

everyone to do precisely what he

1:35:10

wants, it's still not

1:35:12

a felony. Well, Guy, think about this. One

1:35:15

of the things they're saying is that he

1:35:17

manipulated election. This scheme affected

1:35:19

the outcome of election. Let's back that up

1:35:21

a little bit. Okay. How would

1:35:24

the election be affected if Hillary

1:35:26

Clinton didn't smash her server? What would have

1:35:29

been on that server that we found out?

1:35:31

What if Hillary Clinton didn't go outside her

1:35:33

campaign to hire Perkins Coie and Mark Elias

1:35:35

in order to scheme up this whole Russia

1:35:37

hoax situation? What if they didn't pay for

1:35:40

the Steele dossier? Yeah.

1:35:43

What about I mean, all that, all that affects an election.

1:35:45

And for those people say, let's take a step back from

1:35:47

that. If I knew about Karen McDougall, I

1:35:49

wouldn't have voted for Trump. If I knew about Stormy

1:35:51

Daniels, didn't vote for Trump. Really? Did you hear the

1:35:53

access Hollywood tape? It is twit, it

1:35:55

is those two stories to the 20th power

1:35:57

and he's still one without a stand.

1:36:00

They all basically resigned. He still won in

1:36:02

the final hour. So what are you saying?

1:36:31

Miss a minute. Miss a

1:36:33

lot. The Guy Benson

1:36:35

Show. I'm

1:37:00

here in our headquarters in New York today. And

1:37:03

the elevator stopped at a floor before I was going

1:37:05

to get off. And the

1:37:07

doors opened and there was just a pack

1:37:09

of kids, like seven-year-olds

1:37:11

roughly. And they were

1:37:13

all carrying on and yelling and screaming and having

1:37:16

a nice time. They're all very cute. And

1:37:19

I said, what is going on? And

1:37:21

then I saw some other people in the hallways

1:37:23

with kids when I was getting ready

1:37:25

for hair and makeup earlier for TV. There

1:37:27

were little children in the makeup

1:37:29

chair getting all done up. And obviously

1:37:32

I was able to put two and two together.

1:37:34

Christine had mentioned this actually in the

1:37:37

weeks leading up to this moment. But

1:37:39

she did confirm to me today is

1:37:41

take your child to work day. And

1:37:44

it seems like a lot of the employees

1:37:46

here have done exactly that. And then,

1:37:49

Christine, I was like, well, I thought you had

1:37:51

been teasing the fact

1:37:53

that little Megan, not so little Megan,

1:37:55

but 11-year-old Megan, she

1:37:58

was going to be accompanying you to work. And

1:38:00

unless you've got her stashed somewhere, I have

1:38:03

not seen Megan here at Fox today. What

1:38:05

happened? We had the

1:38:07

science fair today. She had

1:38:09

the science fair today. So

1:38:13

she really, truly believes, and I believe

1:38:15

too, that she's going to get first place. So

1:38:17

she wasn't missing that. It's the fifth grade

1:38:19

science fair. She's waited for this moment. And

1:38:22

what is this science project that she's done that

1:38:24

she believes will win? She

1:38:26

is trying to prove

1:38:29

that she can make ice cream quicker than

1:38:31

the average ice cream, which takes like seven

1:38:33

to eight hours. She could do

1:38:35

it at under an hour using dry ice.

1:38:38

Dry ice, okay. Now,

1:38:41

you were explaining that – was it

1:38:43

last year with the science fair? She

1:38:45

got docked by the teacher

1:38:48

because – That was a year. That

1:38:50

was – It was a diorama I made. She

1:38:53

made – Are there multiple science fairs? Oh,

1:38:55

this was just a project. Oh, this

1:38:58

is just a project, so not the

1:39:00

science fair. Multiple projects, if you remember,

1:39:02

in elementary school. So she

1:39:04

had a few points reduced from her

1:39:06

grade because, as you just said, it

1:39:09

sounded like Mommy did most of the work, and the teacher figured

1:39:11

that out and said, yeah, this was not enough. Megan,

1:39:14

a little too much cookie? Yeah. Was

1:39:16

the teacher right? Yeah. I'm

1:39:19

– listen, I make a great

1:39:21

diorama. I mean, I

1:39:23

have figurines. Like, I

1:39:26

have – I made Charlotte's Web the barn.

1:39:28

I had real hay in that barn. It

1:39:31

was magnificent. Trees, real trees. What

1:39:34

did the spider web

1:39:36

spell out in this diorama? Was it

1:39:38

some pig? So

1:39:40

what I did was we made the

1:39:42

spider web, and then I wrote with

1:39:44

my left hand some pig,

1:39:46

and then we like cock-glued it onto

1:39:49

the spider web. Okay. And the

1:39:51

teacher's like, this is all a little

1:39:53

too good? Yeah. A little

1:39:55

too good. It's a little bit. Okay. Science

1:40:00

Fair, were you completely hands-off on

1:40:02

the dry ice cream

1:40:05

or what? I did not

1:40:07

touch the project if that's what you're

1:40:10

asking about. I did not. No hands-on

1:40:12

experience here? But

1:40:15

like how elaborate was this? I've seen them use

1:40:17

like liquid nitrogen I think on cooking shows. Is

1:40:19

that kind of what was going on? It

1:40:22

was not. It was like we were like doing a real

1:40:24

cooking show. Like we had to, she had to, we

1:40:27

did fresh strawberry ice cream and

1:40:29

watermelon ice cream. Was the ice cream

1:40:31

good? It actually wasn't bad.

1:40:33

The strawberry was delicious. The

1:40:36

watermelon tasted more like coffee.

1:40:38

We were very confused about that. Actually

1:40:41

do you want to hear the best part? Probably some science behind that but I don't know

1:40:43

what it is. Do you want to hear the

1:40:45

best part and this was Megan's line.

1:40:47

The conclusion was you can do this

1:40:49

but save yourself the time and go

1:40:51

to Carvel. That

1:40:54

was the conclusion. Is that the conclusion that the

1:40:56

science teacher is going to want? I

1:40:59

don't know if that's part of the scientific method. That's

1:41:02

her answer. Well I think that's a reasonable conclusion.

1:41:04

You go through all this pain in the you know what to

1:41:08

get ingredients and elaborate

1:41:10

method. This is my

1:41:12

approach to like for example

1:41:14

when people say oh, we've talked about this