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Welcome to Fly Over Conservative podcast with

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David and Stacey Whited where we break

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down current events and exam and culture

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through the lens of conservative Christian values.

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So here's the thing about Communism: when it

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comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say

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hi. I'm here to impoverish, enslave and murder

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you. It

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says I'm here to liberate you from

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oppression. I

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thought oh myself as a had a kid. I

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will go to school. I was

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playing. And.

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I had no idea. That

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I was being brainwashed, Communism

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is like in intonation cancer.

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It must spread to survive,

1:06

and America was the major

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impediment to the spread out

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this disease. They knew right

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from the start that Americans

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could not be taken from

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the outside and heads be

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taken from the inside. The

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infiltrated America as Media and

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education. He

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said the ultimate objective of

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having government school was to

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destroy Christianity over his words,

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but unfortunately we have utterly

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read washed education so we

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don't know what creeping communism

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looks like. I don't like the

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idea of teaching children that their victims. Are

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undermining the family unit? I saying

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that it's destructive to have any

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sort of had a row normative

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society. Just.

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Affirming or else. The European Oil. And

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it's you will notice. Or Communism

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as it's democrats. Socialism has two

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dogs, you sprinkles. It's the same

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thing. There was probably the most extreme

2:11

version. Of Communism separated children from their

2:13

parents. Have you ever want to

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take over a century? New doctrine

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a the children. I just can't

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sit here and do nothing. This

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is still alive. Receivers,

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that's why you're we will take

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you to prison because you're teaching

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your children about God and you

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don't follow our. In the

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summation, Live

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in the Soviet Union. In America

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we have seen heavy attack

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on Sees Christmas. Dinner.

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Hate to use that phrase the Final

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Solution because as what. Hitler's

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Germany use for the justify the

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killing of all the zoo's. Next

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was the cause. Overall.

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There were seventy six deaths of men, women,

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and children. Will

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hi this. Is mainstream

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christianity? Or by

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taking the fringes. Use him as

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I see everybody else. The.

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Soviets over for the moon through

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churches. All

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the around the top clergy as a

3:23

they are more than for the or.

3:28

Anyone found name is appointed by the

3:30

government. Is.

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The murder or mobile says is hop

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on the whole. So

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the Palms.isn't as well as

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churches. What is that? There

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are running Moses is closing.

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Our was. They

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agree with Mark, so religion is the opiate of the

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masses and the masses are going to need some opium

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Because they're gonna get put through

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some unpleasant experiences Their

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liberty is going to be taken away from them. What

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can we do? You know

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get involved do what you can there is no

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time for complacency We're

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only gonna be saved by telling the truth telling

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the truth takes courage Courage

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is proof of faith You

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know sometimes we see a movie trailer you're like I Want

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to clear my schedule and watch that right now?

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I feel that way about that that trailer is

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based on a book called beneath sheep's clothing You

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can find more about it by going to a

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website called beneath sheep's closing dot clothing dot movie

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But we have the author that that was all

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based on with this today I'm so

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excited getting a conversation with Julie Beeling I

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got goosebumps you I feel a little bit

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like I'm falling There's so many thoughts that

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I have things that we've seen like oh Over

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the last few years And I think there are

5:11

things that have been below the surface for quite

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a while and then like all at once They're

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kind of no longer below the surface there They're

5:17

on the surface, but you've been writing about this

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and knowing about these issues for a long time

5:22

talk to us Hello about what what led to

5:24

the book and kind of helped you to

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be able to understand this in a way that most

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of This you know didn't way before this was mainstream

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Sure. Yeah, so it started. I was a missionary in

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Russia in the late 90s I

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was there for a year and a half and I came back

5:38

to the US and I got a dual masters in Russian

5:41

and East European studies and Russian language and

5:43

literature and then I wrote my master's thesis

5:45

on underground Christian movements in the Soviet

5:47

Union and their survival tactics and

5:50

the tactics of the Soviet state to

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dismantle Christianity and Much to

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my surprise a few years later. I Noticed

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the same tactics happening here in America

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that I wrote about in my thesis. That

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was the genesis of my book, Beneath Sheets Clothing.

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I wrote most of my book. I wrote most of it

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in between 2009, 2011, and I finally published

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it last year in 2022. Well,

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it's caught fire because you've got some of the brightest minds,

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you know, really in our, in, in, in, in, you

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know, in, in our country for sure, uh,

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talking about this and contributing to this and,

6:23

and, and shining, shining light on it. Question

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I would have for you, and this has been a focus of, of ours

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for a long time, um, in

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ministry school and different things, when

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you, when you hear of movements, say in

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the underground church in China, where there's massive

6:38

suppression, or even you talk about the early

6:40

church, you know, first century, uh,

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you couldn't be more suppressed. Most of the apostles,

6:44

you know, you know, were martyrs. Um,

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but it spread like wildfire, like a,

6:50

a persecuted faith does not persecute the

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Holy Spirit. There's still the people will

6:54

still connect to God because they, they

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reach out with such fervent, uh,

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desire. I wonder

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based on your perspective, which is

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more harmful to the body of Christ,

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a suppressed faith or

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a lukewarm faith? I think like, like

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you see so much a mega church

7:13

lukewarm, very comfortable, um, you

7:15

know, faith, which, you know, you see throughout

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Western Europe. Um, you know, we need to

7:20

visit, you know, nations of Italy and others.

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It's there. They're dead empty churches. Um,

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uh, what is

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your perspective on, on what, what

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impact oppression has

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to face versus a, a, a,

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um, unrestricted

7:36

lukewarm organizational structure?

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Well, my goal with my

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book and documentary is that we in American learn

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from the experience of the Soviet Christians,

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they're very heavily persecuted. Soviet Christians,

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12 to 20 million of them were

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arrested and imprisoned, executed, tortured.

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Um, I Don't wish that upon us in America

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for us to learn those lessons. I'm hoping we

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can learn those lessons. From people who already

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went through that are already departed. Some.

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Of them are still here with us. On.

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And it's actually pretty emotional for me. I'm.

8:09

I sent two years researching primary sources

8:12

as the account said the Persecuted so

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the a Christian especially that and the

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fringe groups they were considered called they

8:18

were. The. Underground Baptist and a

8:20

causal. Seventh. Day Adventist and

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Jehovah's Witnesses. They. Were considered the

8:24

absolute scum of the earth and the Soviet

8:26

Union. They had lower social status and rapists

8:29

and murderers. I don't wish that upon

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the christians here in America. I.

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Hope that we can learn our lessons

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vicariously. The you Are

8:37

in a documentary obviously we saw and

8:39

our nation in Education I talked about

8:42

in church. What are some of the

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institutions here in America that have been

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compromised? I'm and there has been you

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know, indoctrination going on for Communism. Yeah,

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so the that the Italian Communist

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Antonio Gramsci way back in the.

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Nineteen. Twenties, Nineteen thirties He was sitting

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around trying. To figure out why Communism had

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not taken over the last. And. He

9:04

came up with was called Cultural

9:06

Marxism. And it was a

9:08

plan to overtake the last will the for

9:10

the West could fall to Communism. His theory

9:12

was that they had to infiltrate the culture

9:15

producing institutions of the West. including.

9:17

America that would be education. the

9:19

church, the family, That. Media

9:22

and also the legal system. And

9:24

so this infiltration process began.

9:27

And. In we're talking a century ago

9:29

in most cases, And. Now we're just

9:31

in the end stages or that where it's becoming more

9:33

obvious to more people. But. Yeah,

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this has been going on for a very long time.

9:38

And. The Communists They play the

9:40

long game. Multigenerational

9:43

game here. we're

9:46

without read back deck and or house and

9:48

is gonna in a wooden staircase going up

9:50

to abuse some cedar you on the side

9:52

not lead your home on time of the

9:54

rebuilding twenty seventeen and i noticed this last

9:56

summer of got woken up there is this

9:59

the sideboards I like poked it a

10:01

little bit, it was rotten. And, you

10:03

know, come to find out the way our sprinklers hit

10:05

and there was nowhere for the water to go. And

10:07

it's like, but that, the water had been hitting it

10:09

and it had been having that effect since day one.

10:12

But all of a sudden, it was like one day I was

10:14

walking up the steps and one of the steps was loose, and

10:16

I started poking at them. And there was about half a dozen

10:18

of them that were full of rot. And

10:20

I'm like, wow, and I even came up, Stacy, look

10:22

what happened to our, our stair. We need

10:24

to fix it. It was like a major, but it was all of

10:26

a sudden a problem for me. It had

10:28

been happening since the day it was built, you

10:30

know, but it all of a sudden it became obvious

10:33

in a moment. And I think we're seeing that

10:35

in these institutions and it's

10:37

made to appear like organic, like this is

10:40

naturally happening. But this was an outside

10:42

in intentional thing. Can

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you kind of explain that process a little bit

10:48

of how did we get here? And was

10:51

it intentional or was it like an

10:54

inorganic thing that's been an attack

10:56

for a long time? Right.

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So we had high

11:00

level monopolistic capitalists that I like to

11:02

call them the Rockefeller carnegies way back

11:05

at the beginning of the 20th century.

11:07

They were funding the communist infiltration of

11:09

the churches. They were funding John Dewey.

11:14

And he was essentially a communist funding

11:16

him and his his education plans that

11:18

he had for America. And

11:22

we talked about this in the documentary, but

11:25

it's a very strange bedfellow, you know, John

11:27

Rockefeller in a communist, but

11:29

actually not really because both are

11:31

looking for a maximum centralization of

11:33

power in their hands and

11:35

to suppress the populace.

11:38

So it turns out communism Marxism is

11:40

very, very handy system to control the

11:42

masses. And so that's

11:44

where it began. We had, of course,

11:47

Soviet infiltrators and the

11:49

communist Chinese party where recently there was

11:51

a whole bunch of German communists that

11:53

came over during Nazi Germany. They

11:57

were not Hitler didn't appreciate them. So we

11:59

absorbed them here. in our country,

12:01

but the the communist takeover of

12:04

education really got moving

12:06

very heavily. It was first the

12:08

universities that were overtaken, and once

12:11

you overtake the universities that spread

12:13

downward and trickles downward. Now K through

12:16

12 is the infrastructure for a complete

12:18

takeover of K through 12 is

12:20

essentially in place. There are still the one

12:23

thing that has kept this and slowed

12:25

this down tremendously is good-hearted teachers and

12:28

educators through the decades. I

12:30

myself had a really good public school experience here

12:32

in America for the most part, but

12:35

it's really been in the last 20 years,

12:39

25 years, especially last decade that

12:41

things have really ramped up and

12:43

now we're to an insane

12:45

level of just education. We

12:47

think that we're sending our kids to school

12:49

to be educated, but we're sending them there

12:52

to be indoctrinated in

12:54

to woke Marxism to replace

12:56

Judeo-Christian ethics at the

12:59

foundational level with woke Marxism even if

13:01

the teachers themselves that's not their intention.

13:03

And I say this in the documentary,

13:05

most people who are support

13:07

the communist cause enable, I should say

13:09

the communist cause in America, are not

13:12

communist. They don't see themselves as communist

13:14

and many of them would be

13:17

horrified to know that they're doing

13:19

anything to help support and enable

13:21

the communist agenda here. Now there

13:23

is an interesting line in the trailer that jumped out

13:25

at me when I watched it last night and then

13:27

watched it again today. The line

13:29

was there is no time

13:32

for complacency. Can

13:34

you talk about that where we are right now

13:36

in that timeline and then what are things that

13:38

we can do as Americans to make a difference

13:41

right now to help to save our country from

13:43

what's going on? Right,

13:45

well you know it's really hard

13:47

looking at Washington DC as most

13:49

of us average Americans fly over

13:51

Americans per se and what

13:54

power do we have over what these individuals

13:56

are doing? Very little, but what

13:58

power do we have over our own family? families, the

14:00

education of our children. That's

14:03

where we have to start. And,

14:06

you know, whether it's homeschool, whether it's

14:08

banding together in our local communities

14:10

for micro schools, we

14:13

really need to heavily consider pulling our kids

14:15

out of the system. Myself,

14:17

I have a nine year old who I homeschool. And

14:20

I know it's not possible for everyone

14:22

to homeschool, but that's really, it's not

14:24

education, even under a best case scenario,

14:27

we're not going to be able to

14:29

dismantle the communist infrastructure overnight. It's going

14:31

to take many years, best

14:34

case scenario. So in the meantime, we've

14:36

got to protect our children from being indoctrinated.

14:39

And in the documentary, The Needs to Keep

14:41

Clothing, we go into the absolute explicit details

14:43

of how this takes place with

14:46

interviews from Dr. James Lindsay, and

14:48

researcher Lisa Logan, Alex Newman, who

14:50

are the absolute experts on

14:53

all of this communist subversion and education. And,

14:55

you know, any teachers out there and not trying to offend

14:58

you, but the,

15:00

I will say the social and emotional

15:02

learning, and also ethnic studies curricula

15:04

are two of the main vehicles

15:07

of this indoctrination that we have to be aware of.

15:10

Yeah, it's powerful. I think one of the, one of

15:12

the, you know, easiest and most effective ways that people

15:14

can do this is watch

15:17

this movie and share

15:20

this movie because, you know, it's an easy

15:22

way to not be critical. You know, you

15:24

can make a post on Facebook, the schools

15:26

are a mess. Okay. You know, I don't

15:28

know how effective, you know, that is. That's

15:30

like saying it's cold in Alaska, you know,

15:32

or something. It doesn't, you know, change

15:34

anything. It's just, oh, yeah. Okay. But

15:37

when you, you show somebody something, you know,

15:40

when you, when somebody sees something they can't

15:42

undo, I always think of domestic violence, like

15:44

the NFL had a domestic violence issue for

15:46

years and years and years. But you know,

15:48

Ray Rice running back for the Baltimore Ravens

15:51

punched his wife, knocked her out unconscious

15:53

on an elevator, but it was caught

15:55

on video. And when people

15:58

see that, it's like, I can't unsee that. You

16:00

know and and it changed the direction

16:02

of everything. He didn't he didn't play

16:04

you know another snap, you know in

16:06

the NFL There's something about seeing something

16:08

quickly. It's like oh now I I

16:10

can't unsee what I just saw and

16:13

There's an understanding that comes with it and I

16:15

think that that's what what this movie can accomplish

16:17

Let's talk a little bit about about release dates

16:19

how they can get it how they can see

16:21

it and how we can work together as a

16:25

Small little army here with the flyover family and all

16:27

of our of our listeners Please

16:29

share this episode with people will put

16:31

a direct link in the in the in the comment

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in the sections below in the notes Below so you

16:35

can share the the trailer Beneath

16:38

sheep's clothing dot movie but share a little bit

16:40

about about when it's released how they can watch

16:42

it when it'll be available On streaming, you know

16:44

and be able to get this again. I think

16:46

a good idea would be I couldn't tell Stacy

16:49

this is a probably hey, would you do me a favor?

16:51

I watch this it really got me thinking Would you would

16:53

you watch this and give me your feedback? Yeah, you know,

16:55

I'd love to get your thoughts as an educator on this

16:57

or I'd love to get your thoughts as a mother Would

17:00

you watch this and is this is

17:02

this movie whacked out or is it is there

17:04

anything to it? Would you give me your thoughts

17:06

like ask her opinion? I think engages her in

17:08

the process and like allows her to watch it

17:10

open-minded, but how can people get to that position?

17:13

Yeah, so we have three live

17:15

premieres with dr. James Lindsay and

17:18

Trevor Loudon on excuse

17:20

me January 11th in Phoenix, Arizona

17:24

January 12th in st. George, Utah January

17:26

13th in Lehigh or Salt Lake City, Utah and Then

17:29

it online it will be starting

17:32

January 19th It will be

17:34

on our website streaming but also on rumble

17:36

people if people don't remember anything else You can check it

17:38

out on rumble after jet giant January 19th and beyond Also

17:43

from our website people can actually Get

17:46

the streaming ability to to share it with a large

17:48

group such as a church which I highly recommend I

17:53

highly recommend that people share this with their school

17:55

board their county school board and

18:02

with parents, with Christians, with anyone

18:04

who cares about freedom. This

18:07

is something that, again, we're

18:10

taking the lessons

18:12

that the Soviet Christians learned. And

18:16

instead of us having to go through that here, we

18:19

can learn from what they went through. We can

18:21

learn from what that playbook looks

18:23

like. If

18:25

enough people understand the Communist playbook

18:27

to overtake education and the church

18:29

and the family, if enough

18:31

people understand that and say, no, we're not doing

18:34

that, then they will not be able to fully

18:36

implement these agendas. And that is what my hope

18:38

is with Beneath Sheep's Clothing. It's

18:41

huge. So Flyover Family can

18:43

go to BeneathSheep'sClothing.movie to find

18:45

out more information. So with

18:47

these release dates, premieres of

18:49

January 11th, 12th, and 13th,

18:52

if it's in your area, go to the theater,

18:54

see it there. What an opportunity to be able

18:56

to meet some of the people in the documentary.

18:59

Also, January 19th, online premiere, that's when

19:01

it will be released. You can go

19:03

to BeneathSheep'sClothing.movie or also find it on

19:06

Rumble after the 19th. On

19:08

Rumble, people will be able to watch that for

19:10

free. No, it will be

19:12

pay-per-view. Okay. I was going to say, how

19:14

will that work on that? That

19:17

will be available through that format on Rumble. And

19:19

then there's a place on the website as well.

19:21

If people are in a position or feel compelled

19:23

by this or it's one of their heart passions,

19:25

there's a way they can donate to this work

19:27

as well. Absolutely.

19:30

I have a

19:32

GiveSendGo, givesendgo.com/BeneathSheep'sClothing. Perfect.

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That is great. These things do not happen by

19:38

accident, and it's not cheap to put together at

19:40

all. And it's not like

19:42

Sony or Paramount or somebody is

19:45

throwing a lot of money at this to try

19:47

to get the message out. So we do need

19:49

to work together to push back. And again, it's

19:51

a war of ideas, and nothing

19:53

can spread an idea and share

19:55

it better than images,

19:57

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at school, they bring up your flat earth, she's thinking,

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I don't know what your flat earth is, she's flattered,

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