Tune in to this episode of the Defire podcast as host Jonas chats with Julian Liniger, CEO and founder of Relai. Known as the simplest app for buying Bitcoin in Europe, Relai steers clear of ETH, SOL, and meme coins, focusing solely on Bitcoin. Julian recounts his transition from a quaint Swiss village to leading a crypto startup, discussing the potential for Bitcoin's growth and the everyday challenges his company faces, including strict advertising bans across Europe.